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|ssbgame1 = SSB4 | |ssbgame1 = SSB4 | ||
|availability = [[Unlockable character|Unlockable]] | |availability = [[Unlockable character|Unlockable]] | ||
|tier = | |tier = C+ | ||
|ranking = | |ranking = 62 | ||
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{{iw|wikipedia|David Vincent|voice actor}} and {{s|wikipedia|Lauren Landa}}'s portrayals of male and female Robin respectively from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' were repurposed for Western editions of ''Ultimate''. Additionally, {{s|wikipedia|Yoshimasa Hosoya}} and {{s|wikipedia|Miyuki Sawashiro}}'s portrayals of male and female Robin respectively from ''SSB4'' were repurposed for the Japanese editions of ''Ultimate''. | {{iw|wikipedia|David Vincent|voice actor}} and {{s|wikipedia|Lauren Landa}}'s portrayals of male and female Robin respectively from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' were repurposed for Western editions of ''Ultimate''. Additionally, {{s|wikipedia|Yoshimasa Hosoya}} and {{s|wikipedia|Miyuki Sawashiro}}'s portrayals of male and female Robin respectively from ''SSB4'' were repurposed for the Japanese editions of ''Ultimate''. | ||
Robin is ranked | Robin is ranked 62nd out of 82 on the current [[tier list]], placing him in the C+ tier. This is a slight drop from his 37th/38th out of 54 placement in ''SSB4'', where he was tied with {{SSB4|Samus}}. | ||
==How to unlock== | ==How to unlock== | ||
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==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
Robin is a tall, middleweight character who has very low ground mobility. Robin’s dashing speed is the second slowest in the game, and his walking speed is very slow. While his dashing speed is below average, Robin still has an average initial dash distance, which allows | Robin is a tall, middleweight character who has very low ground mobility. Robin’s dashing speed is the second slowest in the game, and his walking speed is very slow. While his dashing speed is below average, Robin still has an average initial dash distance, which allows Robin users to rely on [[Fox-trotting]] as a quicker ground movement option. Outside of these attributes, Robin's other traits are typical of a middleweight; his air speed, traction, falling speed, and gravity are all average. However, Robin's air acceleration is above average. As a result of these attributes, Robin has difficulty chasing foes and fleeing from them at the same time, though his oddly decent aerial mobility compensates this to a degree. | ||
Robin's tomes provide a myriad of spacing, pressuring, and additional damaging capabilities. Both the {{iw|fireemblemwiki|Thunder|tome}} and [[fireemblemwiki:Fire (tome)|Fire tome]]s can disrupt opponents, rack up damage, and open up windows to chain attacks together. {{B|Thunder|Robin}} and the slightly stronger Elthunder peppers at mid-range or shorter, while Arcthunder travels for longer and has trapping capabilities for pressure, combos and set-ups, and Thoron pierces through opponents and deals considerable knockback. [[Arcfire]] produces a trapping, multiple hitting pillar of flame that is instrumental for approaching or disrupting [[approach]]es, pressuring, and chaining together attacks. In addition to the Fire tome, Robin's neutral attack involves the [[fireemblemwiki:Wind (tome)|Wind tome]]: the former tome generates a singular explosion of fire magic that deals strong diagonal knockback, while the latter tome generates a neutral infinite consisting of wind magic that deals high damage and concludes with a blast of wind magic that deals strong vertical knockback. [[Elwind]] provides respectable vertical recovery and its first hit can be used to punish aerial and post-recovery opponents by spiking them at point-blank with the first hit. Lastly, [[Nosferatu]] is a self-healing move which heals Robin, especially if cast from behind and while having a higher damage percentage than his opponent, while it also cannot be shielded due to functioning like a grab. However, it is tricky to use, as the opponent must be at almost point-blank range to land it, although Arcthunder's trapping ability can help Robin land it easier, and it grants full-body [[Intangibility|intangibility]]. | Robin's tomes provide a myriad of spacing, pressuring, and additional damaging capabilities. Both the {{iw|fireemblemwiki|Thunder|tome}} and [[fireemblemwiki:Fire (tome)|Fire tome]]s can disrupt opponents, rack up damage, and open up windows to chain attacks together. {{B|Thunder|Robin}} and the slightly stronger Elthunder peppers at mid-range or shorter, while Arcthunder travels for longer and has trapping capabilities for pressure, combos and set-ups, and Thoron pierces through opponents and deals considerable knockback. [[Arcfire]] produces a trapping, multiple hitting pillar of flame that is instrumental for approaching or disrupting [[approach]]es, pressuring, and chaining together attacks. In addition to the Fire tome, Robin's neutral attack involves the [[fireemblemwiki:Wind (tome)|Wind tome]]: the former tome generates a singular explosion of fire magic that deals strong diagonal knockback, while the latter tome generates a neutral infinite consisting of wind magic that deals high damage and concludes with a blast of wind magic that deals strong vertical knockback. [[Elwind]] provides respectable vertical recovery and its first hit can be used to punish aerial and post-recovery opponents by spiking them at point-blank with the first hit. Lastly, [[Nosferatu]] is a self-healing move which heals Robin, especially if cast from behind and while having a higher damage percentage than his opponent, while it also cannot be shielded due to functioning like a grab. However, it is tricky to use, as the opponent must be at almost point-blank range to land it, although Arcthunder's trapping ability can help Robin land it easier, and it grants full-body [[Intangibility|intangibility]]. | ||
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Aside from using tomes, Robin's Levin Sword is a potent weapon in its own right. It is a powerful, fairly long-ranged, and electrically-charged sword that functions as a terrific offensive tool due to its excellent pressure capabilities, its impressive combo potential and its high KO power. Robin whips this out for his smash and directional aerial attacks when a smash input is inputted, and for neutral aerial when the Levin Sword is already in use. It can be swung eight times before it breaks. Robin's down smash with the Levin Sword has good ledge trapping potential, as it can hit hanging opponents and the electric shockwaves cover both sides of Robin. Despite being vastly inferior to the Levin Sword in regards to KO potential, the Bronze Sword has combo potential due to its weaker knockback. His neutral aerial covers both front and back sides successively, which can be useful for spacing in the air, and is his most effective [[Out of shield|out of shield]] option. His down tilt can keep away grounded opponents in front of him. | Aside from using tomes, Robin's Levin Sword is a potent weapon in its own right. It is a powerful, fairly long-ranged, and electrically-charged sword that functions as a terrific offensive tool due to its excellent pressure capabilities, its impressive combo potential and its high KO power. Robin whips this out for his smash and directional aerial attacks when a smash input is inputted, and for neutral aerial when the Levin Sword is already in use. It can be swung eight times before it breaks. Robin's down smash with the Levin Sword has good ledge trapping potential, as it can hit hanging opponents and the electric shockwaves cover both sides of Robin. Despite being vastly inferior to the Levin Sword in regards to KO potential, the Bronze Sword has combo potential due to its weaker knockback. His neutral aerial covers both front and back sides successively, which can be useful for spacing in the air, and is his most effective [[Out of shield|out of shield]] option. His down tilt can keep away grounded opponents in front of him. | ||
Once Robin's tomes are depleted and the Levin Sword is broken, | Once Robin's tomes are depleted and the Levin Sword is broken, he can act as throwable items that deal immense damage, shieldstun and knockback. Properly managing Robin's discarded weapons is crucial for optimal play, as the opportunities they can potentially grant are significant. Outside of his magic and sword attacks, Robin has two useful throws: back throw is a viable KOing option near the edge that can combo into Thoron to get early K.Os, while down throw is a reliable combo starter. | ||
However, as previously stated, Robin suffers from numerous weaknesses, such as being the second slowest runner in the game. Furthermore, Robin lacks defensive options and has trouble brushing off opponents, especially those who are directly beneath, making Robin susceptible to rush-downs and juggles. Robin’s tilts generally have short range, making it difficult for Robin to fight at mid-range outside of the use of tomes. Many moves, specifically smash attacks and special attacks, have significant ending lag, which leaves Robin wide open for punishment proceeding his execution. His forward smash, though extremely strong, has a very limited range, sometimes completely missing fighters when said fighters crouch, and is also extremely laggy. Down smash is a strong move with a great range, however the range has limited success as the farthest part of the range is also one of the weakest parts. Up smash is a strong move with considerably less endlag compared to his other smash attacks, however it has mediocre range, and even worse range while using the Bronze Sword, whereas Robin is unable to even hit fighters standing next to him. | However, as previously stated, Robin suffers from numerous weaknesses, such as being the second slowest runner in the game. Furthermore, Robin lacks defensive options and has trouble brushing off opponents, especially those who are directly beneath, making Robin susceptible to rush-downs and juggles. Robin’s tilts generally have short range, making it difficult for Robin to fight at mid-range outside of the use of tomes. Many moves, specifically smash attacks and special attacks, have significant ending lag, which leaves Robin wide open for punishment proceeding his execution. His forward smash, though extremely strong, has a very limited range, sometimes completely missing fighters when said fighters crouch, and is also extremely laggy. Down smash is a strong move with a great range, however the range has limited success as the farthest part of the range is also one of the weakest parts. Up smash is a strong move with considerably less endlag compared to his other smash attacks, however it has mediocre range, and even worse range while using the Bronze Sword, whereas Robin is unable to even hit fighters standing next to him. | ||
Lastly, Robin's durability mechanic can severely weaken Robin | Lastly, Robin's durability mechanic can severely weaken Robin if he loses one or more of the tomes or the Levin Sword. Losing the Levin sword, although it gives Robin a better combo game, gives him pathetic K.O power. Losing [[Thunder (Robin)|Thunder]] removes one of his only zoning options, as well as losing combo potential. Losing Arcfire loses damage and combo potential. Losing Elwind is the worst case for Robin, as his [[double jump]] is average, leaving Robin effectively helpless while recovering. Losing Nosferatu makes Robin's survivability weaker, especially with his average weight. | ||
Overall, Robin is a tactically-based character with varied spacing, damage-accumulating and KO options that must be used wisely and opportunely. At the same time, the lack of mobile and defensive options leave Robin vulnerable to pressure and combos. With this, Robin players must keep track of his weapons' durability, intelligently respond to their opponents, and take precise offensive action for success in battle. | Overall, Robin is a tactically-based character with varied spacing, damage-accumulating and KO options that must be used wisely and opportunely. At the same time, the lack of mobile and defensive options leave Robin vulnerable to pressure and combos. With this, Robin players must keep track of his weapons' durability, intelligently respond to their opponents, and take precise offensive action for success in battle. | ||
==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''== | ||
Robin has been given a mix of buffs and nerfs | Robin has been given a mix of buffs and nerfs from the transition to ''Ultimate'', but has been buffed overall. The universal reduction to [[landing lag]] now creates safer landing options (especially with the Levin Sword's high shield stun), and the universal 3-frame jump squat allows Robin to take advantage of his extremely powerful aerials. | ||
Several of | Several of his attacks have reduced lag or increased KO power, while most of his formerly situational attacks are more effective due to altered hitboxes: [[up tilt]] now has grounded hitboxes, and [[up smash]] has much better horizontal reach above Robin, significantly improving their reliability. [[Neutral aerial]] can now use the Levin Sword, giving it much better utility and better edgeguarding capabilities. Robin's [[neutral attack]], a staple in his [[neutral game]], also fares significantly better due to several improvements with its consistency; the Elwind infinite connects significantly better, and the Arcfire finisher transitions earlier while using half the durability it used to in ''SSB4''. | ||
Robin's special moves have been heavily revamped. With the exception of the uncharged version, all versions of {{b|Thunder|Robin}} hit much harder and now function as effective KO moves, especially Thoron; the move can now also be [[charge-cancel]]ed by jumping. [[Arcfire]] is much harder to escape from and travels much farther, making it even more effective for combo initiating. [[Elwind]] can have its trajectory significantly altered and grants more distance, recharges faster, and pushes opponents if the wind blades hit the ground. Finally, [[Nosferatu]] has slightly more range, heals and deals damage at a faster rate | Robin's special moves have been heavily revamped. With the exception of the uncharged version, all versions of {{b|Thunder|Robin}} hit much harder and now function as effective KO moves, especially Thoron; the move can now also be [[charge-cancel]]ed by jumping. [[Arcfire]] is much harder to escape from and travels much farther, making it even more effective for combo initiating. [[Elwind]] can have its trajectory significantly altered and grants more distance, recharges faster, and pushes opponents if the wind blades hit the ground. Finally, [[Nosferatu]] has slightly more range, heals and deals damage at a faster rate, and has fewer uses, allowing it to generate a used tome much faster. | ||
However, Robin's nerfs are also notable. The biggest change is to the Levin Sword, which Robin no longer starts with at the start of the match, forcing several seconds of downtime before the Levin Sword is usable. Robin's most effective tools have also been nerfed: Arcthunder's significantly lower looping duration now prevents followups unless initiated at a distance, Elwind has fewer uses, and down throw has increased knockback, reducing the percent range in which combos (such as the "Checkmate", a down throw to up aerial) can be performed. | However, Robin's nerfs are also notable. Despite being given the same ground movement increases of about 10% like the rest of the cast, Robin is just as slow compared to the rest of the cast; as result, he is still one of the slowest characters in terms of grounded mobility. The biggest change is to the Levin Sword, which Robin no longer starts with at the start of the match, forcing several seconds of downtime before the Levin Sword is usable. Robin's most effective tools have also been nerfed: Arcthunder's significantly lower looping duration now prevents followups unless initiated at a distance, Arcfire is now canceled by any other hitbox, Elwind has fewer uses, and down throw has increased knockback, reducing the percent range in which combos (such as the "Checkmate", a down throw to up aerial) can be performed. Finally, Robin still possesses some of his former flaws, such as a mediocre grab, problems with escaping pressure due to awkward hitboxes, and aforementioned mediocre grounded mobility. | ||
Overall, Robin has gained many new KO options, and has gained new benefits that patch up major issues present in ''SSB4'', but at the cost of several of his previously potent moves being less effective, leading to mixed results. | |||
Overall, Robin | |||
{{SSB4 to SSBU changelist|char=Robin}} | {{SSB4 to SSBU changelist|char=Robin}} | ||
==Update history== | ==Update history== | ||
Robin received a mix of buffs, nerfs and a single glitch fix via game updates, but was buffed slightly overall. Update 2.0.0 made [[Elwind]] safer for recovering by shortening its edge lockout time when it is used backwards. Update 3.0.0 decreased the shield damage outputs of {{b|Thunder|Robin}}, Elthunder and [[Arcfire]] as part of a near-universal nerf to projectiles. | Robin received a mix of buffs, nerfs and a single glitch fix via game updates, but was buffed slightly overall. Update 2.0.0 made [[Elwind]] safer for recovering by shortening its edge lockout time when it is used backwards. Update 3.0.0 decreased the shield damage outputs of {{b|Thunder|Robin}}, Elthunder and [[Arcfire]] as part of a near-universal nerf to projectiles. However, update 6.0.0 provided a number of useful buffs for Robin. The most notable ones were to Thunder and Arcfire: the former had its charge times sped up significantly, whereas the latter gained a much longer duration. As a result, Robin's respectable zoning ability and trapping potential were improved by a fairly noticeable degree. | ||
However, update 6.0.0 provided a number of useful buffs for Robin. The most notable ones were to Thunder and Arcfire: the former had its charge times sped up significantly, whereas the latter gained | |||
Update 9.0.0 granted [[transcendent priority]] to neutral infinite's finisher as part of a near-universal buff, while update 13.0.1 improved neutral infinite's damage racking potential and range. | This update also granted Robin a few quality of life buffs: forward tilt's higher knockback improved its spacing potential, neutral aerial's overall lag was decreased (which also improved it as a follow-up from down throw), and the Levin Sword will now recharge slightly faster when using the Bronze Sword for smash attacks. Update 9.0.0 granted [[transcendent priority]] to neutral infinite's finisher as part of a near-universal buff, while update 13.0.1 improved neutral infinite's damage racking potential and range. | ||
Overall, Robin fares | Overall, Robin fares mildly better than he did at the launch of ''Ultimate'', although not enough to change his position in the metagame. | ||
'''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|2.0.0}}''' | '''{{GameIcon|ssbu}} {{SSBU|2.0.0}}''' | ||
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|ftiltname=Front Hack ({{ja|フロントハック|Furonto Hakku}}) | |ftiltname=Front Hack ({{ja|フロントハック|Furonto Hakku}}) | ||
|ftiltdmg=7.5% | |ftiltdmg=7.5% | ||
|ftiltdesc=An outward turning, downward slash. A | |ftiltdesc=An outward turning, downward slash. A decent, though short ranged spacing option. | ||
|utiltname=Upper Swing ({{ja|アッパースイング|Appā Suingu}}) | |utiltname=Upper Swing ({{ja|アッパースイング|Appā Suingu}}) | ||
|utiltdmg=6% | |utiltdmg=6% | ||
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|fsmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9.6}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (late) | |fsmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9.6}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (late) | ||
|fsmashdesc=An underhanded outward thrust. A powerful KO option; with the Levin Sword, it also possesses a lingering hitbox. The clean hit can KO rather early, while the late hit, though much weaker, is capable of KOing around 165% from the center of Final Destination. | |fsmashdesc=An underhanded outward thrust. A powerful KO option; with the Levin Sword, it also possesses a lingering hitbox. The clean hit can KO rather early, while the late hit, though much weaker, is capable of KOing around 165% from the center of Final Destination. | ||
|usmashname=Rising Thrust ({{ja|ライジングスラスト|Raijing Surasuto}}) / Spinning Sword ({{ja|スピニングソード|Supuingu Sōdo}}) | |usmashname= Rising Thrust ({{ja|ライジングスラスト|Raijing Surasuto}}) / Spinning Sword ({{ja|スピニングソード|Supuingu Sōdo}}) | ||
|usmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (early), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (late) | |usmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (early), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|10}} (late) | ||
|usmashdesc=The animation differs depending on the sword that is used: if it is the Bronze Sword, Robin thrusts it upward. If it is the Levin Sword, | |usmashdesc=The animation differs depending on the sword that is used: if it is the Bronze Sword, Robin thrusts it upward. If it is the Levin Sword, it will levitate out of Robin’s hand, and twirls it before raising it upward. The Levin Sword version has great coverage, capable of hitting opponents on the ground and behind Robin, though this deals less knockback than hitting an opponent above. | ||
|dsmashname=Earth Knock ({{ja|アースノック|Āsu Nokku}}) / Earth Shocker ({{ja|アースショッカー|Āsu Shokkā}}) | |dsmashname=Earth Knock ({{ja|アースノック|Āsu Nokku}}) / Earth Shocker ({{ja|アースショッカー|Āsu Shokkā}}) | ||
|dsmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|8}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|12}} (late) | |dsmashdmg=Bronze: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|8}} <br/>Levin: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|12}} (late) | ||
|dsmashdesc=Kneels and strikes the floor via a slash with the equipped sword. The Levin Sword generates brief sparks on both sides of Robin, which can hit opponents even after getting up, thus warding off punishment attempts on either side. It can also break a full shield if fully charged and all of its hitboxes connect | |dsmashdesc=Kneels and strikes the floor via a slash with the equipped sword. The Levin Sword generates brief sparks on both sides of Robin, which can hit opponents even after getting up, thus warding off punishment attempts on either side. It can also break a full shield if fully charged and all of its hitboxes connect. | ||
|nairname=Double Chop ({{ja|ダブルチョップ|Daburu Choppu}}) | |nairname=Double Chop ({{ja|ダブルチョップ|Daburu Choppu}}) | ||
|nairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6.9}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|11.5}} | |nairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6.9}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|11.5}} | ||
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|fairname=Air Upper Swing ({{ja|エアアッパースイング|Ea Appā Suingu}}) | |fairname=Air Upper Swing ({{ja|エアアッパースイング|Ea Appā Suingu}}) | ||
|fairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.5}} <br/>Levin:{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12.5}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | |fairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.5}} <br/>Levin:{{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12.5}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | ||
|fairdesc=An upward swipe. Because of its arc, it can catch grounded opponents while in the air. | |fairdesc=An upward swipe. Because of its arc, it can catch grounded opponents while in the air. It has very poor KO potential with the Bronze Sword, but its knockback makes it easy to combo with, usually into itself, or other aerials. The Levin version also has combo potential, being able to combo into other aerials at low percents such as neutral aerial and another forward aerial when SHFF'd | ||
|bairname=Backhand Slash ({{ja|バックハンドスラッシュ|Bakkuhando Surasshu}}) | |bairname=Backhand Slash ({{ja|バックハンドスラッシュ|Bakkuhando Surasshu}}) | ||
|bairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | |bairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|15}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | ||
|bairdesc=A backward thrust. Fast, but has a somewhat narrow hitbox which can make landing it awkward, though it still autocancels from a short hop | |bairdesc=A backward thrust. Fast, but has a somewhat narrow hitbox which can make landing it awkward, though it still autocancels from a short hop. It can hit a few frames after ending while using the Levin Sword, with the vertical launch angle of the late hit allowing for combos into another Levin aerial such as up aerial or another back aerial. Strongly resembles sword animations for the cavalier and paladin classes throughout the ''Fire Emblem'' series. | ||
|uairname=Arc Slash ({{ja|アークスラッシュ|Āku Surasshu}}) | |uairname=Arc Slash ({{ja|アークスラッシュ|Āku Surasshu}}) | ||
|uairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.8}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|13}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | |uairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.8}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|13}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5}} (late) | ||
|uairdesc=An upward overhead slash. It is a great juggling option with the Bronze Sword due to its low knockback and large arc, while it is one of Robin's most effective aerials with the Levin Sword due to its massive range and KO potential. It has lingering hitboxes with the Levin Sword and can combo into itself and neutral aerial at low percents when SHFF'd | |uairdesc=An upward overhead slash. It is a great juggling option with the Bronze Sword due to its low knockback and large arc, while it is one of Robin's most effective aerials with the Levin Sword due to its massive range and KO potential. It has lingering hitboxes with the Levin Sword and can combo into itself and neutral aerial at low percents when SHFF'd. | ||
|dairname=Undercut ({{ja|アンダーカット|Andā Katto}}) | |dairname=Undercut ({{ja|アンダーカット|Andā Katto}}) | ||
|dairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.2}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|11}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}} (late) | |dairdmg=Bronze: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.2}} <br/>Levin: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|11}} (clean), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}} (late) | ||
|dairdesc=A downward slash. It also hits slightly in front of Robin. The sweet spot in the middle of the Levin Sword can [[meteor smash]] while it is swung down, while the Bronze Sword cannot meteor smash at all. The move has a lingering hitbox in both of its versions, with the lingering hit of the Bronze version sending lower than the Levin version | |dairdesc=A downward slash. It also hits slightly in front of Robin. The sweet spot in the middle of the Levin Sword can [[meteor smash]] while it is swung down, while the Bronze Sword cannot meteor smash at all. The move has a lingering hitbox in both of its versions, with the lingering hit of the Bronze version sending lower than the Levin version. | ||
|grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}}) | |grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}}) | ||
|grabdesc=Wraps the opponent in a whirling stream of magic. The grab's range is visualized by a halo. This halo | |grabdesc=Wraps the opponent in a whirling stream of magic. The grab's range is visualized by a halo. This halo also appears when Robin successfully grabs an opponent. Compared to other grabs, Robin's grab is on the slow side; coupled with its low range, this makes it rather undependable and punishable. | ||
|pummelname=Grab Force Attack ({{ja|つかみフォースアタック|Tsukami Fōsu Atakku}}) | |pummelname=Grab Force Attack ({{ja|つかみフォースアタック|Tsukami Fōsu Atakku}}) | ||
|pummeldmg=1.5% | |pummeldmg=1.5% | ||
|pummeldesc=A | |pummeldesc=A small blast of magic. Although weaker, it is also much faster compared to its previous iteration. | ||
|fthrowname=Force Kinesis ({{ja|フォースキネシス|Fōsu Kineshisu}}) | |fthrowname=Force Kinesis ({{ja|フォースキネシス|Fōsu Kineshisu}}) | ||
|fthrowdmg=8% | |fthrowdmg=8% | ||
|fthrowdesc=Magically shoves the opponent forward. Has moderate base knockback but low knockback scaling, making it more suited for sending opponents offstage. | |fthrowdesc=Magically shoves the opponent forward. Has moderate base knockback but low knockback scaling, making it more suited for sending opponents offstage. | ||
|bthrowname=Reverse Kinesis ({{ja|リバースキネシス|Ribāsu Kineshisu}}) | |bthrowname=Reverse Kinesis ({{ja|リバースキネシス|Ribāsu Kineshisu}}) | ||
|bthrowdmg=11% | |bthrowdmg=11% | ||
|bthrowdesc=Turns around and magically tosses the opponent backward. Robin's strongest throw, with very high base knockback and decently high knockback growth. | |bthrowdesc=Turns around and magically tosses the opponent backward. Robin's strongest throw, with very high base knockback and decently high knockback growth. | ||
|uthrowname=Launch Kinesis ({{ja|ローンチキネシス|Rōnchi Kineshisu}}) | |uthrowname=Launch Kinesis ({{ja|ローンチキネシス|Rōnchi Kineshisu}}) | ||
|uthrowdmg=9% | |uthrowdmg=9% | ||
|uthrowdesc=Magically heaves the opponent upwards. | |uthrowdesc=Magically heaves the opponent upwards. | ||
|dthrowname=Pressure Kinesis ({{ja|プレッシャーキネシス|Puressha Kineshisu}}) | |dthrowname=Pressure Kinesis ({{ja|プレッシャーキネシス|Puressha Kineshisu}}) | ||
|dthrowdmg=6% | |dthrowdmg=6% | ||
|dthrowdesc=Magically slams the opponent onto the ground, launching them vertically upward. Its knockback has been increased from the previous game, which allows for KOs below 200%. However, this removes Robin's ability to perform effective follow-ups, but it can still combo into up tilt at low percents and neutral aerial at mid percents. | |dthrowdesc=Magically slams the opponent onto the ground, launching them vertically upward. Its knockback has been increased from the previous game, which allows for KOs below 200%. However, this removes Robin's ability to perform effective follow-ups, but it can still combo into up tilt at low percents and neutral aerial at mid percents. | ||
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|nsdmg=5.5% (Thunder), 11% (Elthunder), 6% (Arcthunder, hit 1), 2.4% (Arcthunder, looping hits), 8% (Archthunder, finisher), 2.6% (Thoron) | |nsdmg=5.5% (Thunder), 11% (Elthunder), 6% (Arcthunder, hit 1), 2.4% (Arcthunder, looping hits), 8% (Archthunder, finisher), 2.6% (Thoron) | ||
|nsdesc=Robin casts [[fireemblemwiki:Thunder (magic)|thunder magic]] from a [[fireemblemwiki:Thunder (tome)|Thunder tome]]. It is a chargeable projectile with distinct properties for each charge level: | |nsdesc=Robin casts [[fireemblemwiki:Thunder (magic)|thunder magic]] from a [[fireemblemwiki:Thunder (tome)|Thunder tome]]. It is a chargeable projectile with distinct properties for each charge level: | ||
*Thunder is produced when the move is uncharged. It is a small, weak, and very short-ranged projectile, but it is very fast and can catch approaching opponents off-guard, allowing for a follow-up attack | *Thunder is produced when the move is uncharged. It is a small, weak, and very short-ranged projectile, but it is very fast and can catch approaching opponents off-guard, allowing for a follow-up attack. | ||
*{{iw|fireemblemwiki|Elthunder}} is produced after a brief charge. It is a small, fast projectile that traverses the entire stage, with decent damage and knockback. While not a viable KO option on its own before extreme percents, its knockback can be powerful enough to finish off opponents recovering offstage. | *{{iw|fireemblemwiki|Elthunder}} is produced after a brief charge. It is a small, fast projectile that traverses the entire stage, with decent damage and knockback. While not a viable KO option on its own before extreme percents, its knockback can be powerful enough to finish off opponents recovering offstage. | ||
*{{iw|fireemblemwiki|Arcthunder}} is produced after a more lengthy charge. Unlike the previous levels, Arcthunder is initially quite slow, but it accelerates over time. It explodes in a small X-shape on contact with an opponent or hitbox, dealing multiple hits and significant knockback, KOing at 120% from the edge of Final Destination. | *{{iw|fireemblemwiki|Arcthunder}} is produced after a more lengthy charge. Unlike the previous levels, Arcthunder is initially quite slow, but it accelerates over time. It explodes in a small X-shape on contact with an opponent or hitbox, dealing multiple hits and significant knockback, KOing at 120% from the edge of Final Destination. | ||
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|ssname=Arcfire | |ssname=Arcfire | ||
|ssdmg=2% (hit 1), 1.2% (hits 2-8), 4% (final explosion) | |ssdmg=2% (hit 1), 1.2% (hits 2-8), 4% (final explosion) | ||
|ssdesc=Robin casts [[fireemblemwiki:Fire (magic)|fire magic]] from an [[fireemblemwiki:Arcfire|Arcfire tome]]. It creates a tiny fireball that travels diagonally downward from above Robin’s head and bursts into a pillar of flame on impact with an opponent or shield. Opponents trapped in the flame pillar take multiple hits and are pushed slightly upwards, and when the pillar expires, it explodes, dealing a fair amount of upward knockback. It is primarily useful for disrupting approaches and capitalizing on the opponent's reaction, while it can also be used for edgeguarding, either by directly attacking the opponent or covering the edge as they attempt to grab it. However, if the initial fireball meets any hitbox from the opponent, the fireball will dissipate without detonating. Can combo and kill | |ssdesc=Robin casts [[fireemblemwiki:Fire (magic)|fire magic]] from an [[fireemblemwiki:Arcfire|Arcfire tome]]. It creates a tiny fireball that travels diagonally downward from above Robin’s head and bursts into a pillar of flame on impact with an opponent or shield. Opponents trapped in the flame pillar take multiple hits and are pushed slightly upwards, and when the pillar expires, it explodes, dealing a fair amount of upward knockback. It is primarily useful for disrupting approaches and capitalizing on the opponent's reaction, while it can also be used for edgeguarding, either by directly attacking the opponent or covering the edge as they attempt to grab it. However, if the initial fireball meets any hitbox from the opponent, the fireball will dissipate without detonating. Can combo and kill confirm into up smash; can also combo into itself, aerials, and Nosferatu if timed properly. | ||
|usname=Elwind | |usname=Elwind | ||
|usdmg=5% (first blade), 7% (second blade) | |usdmg=5% (first blade), 7% (second blade) | ||
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|Ro - bin! || Ref - let! || Daaaaaraen! || Ro - bin! || Ro - bin! | |Ro - bin! || Ref - let! || Daaaaaraen! || Ro - bin! || Ro - bin! | ||
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| | |Ro - Ro - bin! || ¡Ro - bin! {{NTSC}} <br> ¡Daraen! ¡Daraen! ¡Ra ra ra! {{PAL}}|| Robin! *claps 2 times* || Ro - bu - in! | ||
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''See also: [[:Category:Robin players (SSBU)]]'' | ''See also: [[:Category:Robin players (SSBU)]]'' | ||
*{{Sm|Angel|USA}} - The best Robin player in the United States online metagame, reaching a peak of 13th on the [[Wi-Fi Warrior Rank v7]] and strong performances at large online events such as | *{{Sm|Angel|USA}} - The best Robin player in the United States online metagame, reaching a peak of 13th on the [[Wi-Fi Warrior Rank v7]] and strong performances at large online events such as 4th at {{Trn|The Box: Lunch Box 18}} and 7th at {{Trn|The Airlock}}. Although not as active offline, he notably placed 33rd at the major {{Trn|Let's Make Big Moves 2022}}. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Jul|USA}} - The best Robin player in the world in 2019, holding some of Robin's best results of all-time including 17th at {{Trn|Shine 2019}} and 33rd at {{Trn|Let's Make Big Moves}}. He went in active in 2020. | ||
*{{Sm|Leaf|Japan|p=Japan}} - The best Robin player in the world since 2023 | *{{Sm|Leaf|Japan|p=Japan}} - The best Robin player in the world since 2023, most notably placing 13th at the supermajor {{Trn|DELTA 5}} upsetting {{Sm|Zackray}}, the best Robin performance in ''Ultimate''. | ||
*{{Sm|morrocoYo|Venezuela}} - The best Robin player in South America who | *{{Sm|morrocoYo|Venezuela}} - The best Robin player in South America who dominates competitive ''Ultimate'' in Venezuela, including winning {{Trn|Stone Ocean 7}}, their largest event. Outside of Venezuela, he has also placed 49th at the {{Trn|Smash World Tour 2021 Last Chance Qualifier}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Synergy|USA}} - | *{{Sm|Synergy|USA}} - The best Robin player in the world in 2021 due to placements such as 25th at both {{Trn|Super Smash Con: Fall Fest}} and {{Trn|CEO 2021}}. Since then he is still considered one of the best Robin players in the United States, notably upsetting {{Sm|MKBigBoss}} at {{Trn|Luminosity Makes BIG Moves 2024}}. | ||
===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
Despite being buffed during the transition from ''Smash 4'', Robin remained a relatively unpopular character for most of competitive play, due to his lackluster speed, weak defensive options, and the weapon durability system. As such, Robin was often overlooked for other characters who did his job better, and despite efforts from players such as {{Sm|Jul}} in the early metagame, Robin's representation in the metagame remained rather small, and only decreased further following Jul's inactivity. | Despite being buffed during the transition from ''Smash 4'', Robin remained a relatively unpopular character for most of competitive play, due to his lackluster speed, weak defensive options, and the weapon durability system. As such, Robin was often overlooked for other characters who did his job better, and despite efforts from players such as {{Sm|Jul}} in the early metagame, Robin's representation in the metagame remained rather small, and only decreased further following Jul's inactivity. | ||
Currently, there are a few notable Robin players who perform well regionally, including {{Sm|morrocoYo}}, who dominates competitive ''Ultimate'' in Venezuela; {{Sm|Leaf|p=Japan}}, who has a few notable major placements; and {{Sm|Whisky}}, who regularly places well at Mexican events. However, both morrocoYo and Whisky have limited appearances at a national-level, while Leaf's results remain inconsistent. As such, opinions on Robin have largely remained the same since the early metagame, which is reflected in Robin's placement on the | Currently, there are a few notable Robin players who perform well regionally, including {{Sm|morrocoYo}}, who dominates competitive ''Ultimate'' in Venezuela; {{Sm|Leaf|p=Japan}}, who has a few notable major placements; and {{Sm|Whisky}}, who regularly places well at Mexican events. However, both morrocoYo and Whisky have limited appearances at a national-level, while Leaf's results remain inconsistent. As such, opinions on Robin have largely remained the same since the early metagame, which is reflected in Robin's current placement on the tier list, where he is ranked 62nd as a lower-mid tier. | ||
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Thunder and Flames== | =={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Thunder and Flames== | ||
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*Despite now being a playable character, {{SSBU|Chrom}} still appears in [[Pair Up]] and Robin's victory poses, even if Chrom is in the fight with Robin. | *Despite now being a playable character, {{SSBU|Chrom}} still appears in [[Pair Up]] and Robin's victory poses, even if Chrom is in the fight with Robin. | ||
**This makes Robin one of the two characters who have a separate playable character in one of their victory poses, the other being {{SSBU|Piranha Plant}} (with {{SSBU|Mario}} appearing in one of its victory poses). | **This makes Robin one of the two characters who have a separate playable character in one of their victory poses, the other being {{SSBU|Piranha Plant}} (with {{SSBU|Mario}} appearing in one of its victory poses). | ||
*Robin is the only character with no attacks that fall under the [[physical]] supertype, with all of Robin's moves being of only the following [[type]]s: {{b|Sword|type}}, {{b|Magic|type}}, [[Throwing]], and [[Typeless]]. This makes Robin the only character with no moves that can be buffed by the "Physical Attack ↑" [[Spirit#Attack Skills|Spirit]] effect | *Robin is the only character with no attacks that fall under the [[physical]] supertype, with all of Robin's moves being of only the following [[type]]s: {{b|Sword|type}}, {{b|Magic|type}}, [[Throwing]], and [[Typeless]]. This makes Robin the only character with no moves that can be buffed by the "Physical Attack ↑" [[Spirit#Attack Skills|Spirit]] effect | ||
* | *Male Robin will sometimes say the quote: "Lucina, I hope I didn't hurt you." when fighting against Lucina. However, this may occur even when Lucina is not present in the match. | ||
**Additionally, when the victory quote is used, the flame effects will not play. | |||
*When Robin uses Thoron, he will become immune to tripping from attacks that don't use the [[slip]] effect (such as {{SSBU|Wario}}'s uncharged [[Wario Waft]] or [[Banana Peel]]s), even if the attack has a 100% trip chance (e.g. {{mvsub|Pichu|SSBU|forward tilt|poss=y}}). The only way to re-enable tripping is to [[respawn]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/1Archmage/status/1580993179767406594 @1Archmage showcasing untrippable Robin]</ref> This also happens with Kirby's [[Copy Ability]], even if the Copy Ability disappears. | *When Robin uses Thoron, he will become immune to tripping from attacks that don't use the [[slip]] effect (such as {{SSBU|Wario}}'s uncharged [[Wario Waft]] or [[Banana Peel]]s), even if the attack has a 100% trip chance (e.g. {{mvsub|Pichu|SSBU|forward tilt|poss=y}}). The only way to re-enable tripping is to [[respawn]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/1Archmage/status/1580993179767406594 @1Archmage showcasing untrippable Robin]</ref> This also happens with Kirby's [[Copy Ability]], even if the Copy Ability disappears. | ||
*Both of Robin's fighter spirits are two of only 11 fighter spirits in the game to use their in-game render for their spirit artwork instead of original artwork from their game. The other characters are both male and female [[Pokémon Trainer]], both male and female [[Wii Fit Trainer]], [[Cloud]]'s alternate costume from ''Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children'', all three [[Mii Fighter]]s, and [[Kazuya]]. | *Both of Robin's fighter spirits are two of only 11 fighter spirits in the game to use their in-game render for their spirit artwork instead of original artwork from their game. The other characters are both male and female [[Pokémon Trainer]], both male and female [[Wii Fit Trainer]], [[Cloud]]'s alternate costume from ''Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children'', all three [[Mii Fighter]]s, and [[Kazuya]]. |