Editing Olimar (PM)

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'''Olimar''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. He comes with his Pikmin in tow and a stronger moveset for ''Project M''. Despite the power buffs, ''Melee'' physics and higher lag in most of his attacks have put him in an unfavorable position for ''Project M''.  

 

Olimar ranks 39th out of 41 on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], at the bottom of the D tier. This is an extreme drop from his tier placement in ''Brawl'', where he was ranked 3rd out of 38, and is the largest any ''Project M'' character's standing has fallen when compared to their ''Melee'' or ''Brawl'' tier list. In the official [[Project+]] tier list, he ranks much higher, placing 33rd out of 42 characters.

 

Olimar's Pikmin in ''Project M'' are stronger and have more endurance than before. Also, the Pikmin now have a mechanic where their strength is dependent on the type of flower on their heads. Besides the buffs to the Pikmin, Olimar's ground game has been improved, possessing more powerful tilts, smash attacks, and throws. Olimar's aerial game also saw some positive adjustments, featuring two potential KO moves in his up and down aerials. Finally, Olimar's recovery, [[Pikmin Chain]], which was unreliable and low-reaching in ''Brawl'', has been replaced with the more useful Ionium Jet.

 

 

While Olimar received some buffs, he has been heavily nerfed overall in the transition from ''Brawl'' to PM. The most notable nerf Olimar received was the reduction to the amount of Pikmin he can have at one time which has been reduced to 4 Pikmin instead of 6. This greatly reduced Olimar's camping potential especially since the rest of the cast have better offence and the reintroduction of ''Melee'' mechanics have also sped up the rest of the cast which makes it easier for them to play around Olimar's defence. Besides this, Olimar's defence is also worse as his higher weight and fall speed when combined with the changes to ''PM''{{'}}s mechanics make him much easier to combo. As well as these changes, his smash attacks are laggier, [[Pikmin Throw]] with white Pikmin is notably weaker and now causes the white Pikmin to self destruct and [[Pikmin Order]] no longer has [[armor]] further hindering his defence.

 

 

Overall, Olimar's greater endurance and offence does not make up for his less effective defence resulting in him being a much less effective character than in ''Brawl''.

*{{buff|Pikmin health is effectively tripled (Reds: 9 → 30, Yellows: 9 → 30, Blues: 14 → 40, Whites: 4 → 14, Purples: 15 → 50), increasing their overall durability.}}

*{{nerf|Olimar can only carry 4 Pikmin at a time, instead of 6 which limits his use of varied Pikmin and encourages Olimar players to focus more on their Pikmin's survivability within the new transformation mechanics.}}

*{{nerf|The introduction to the ''Melee'' physics inhibit Olimar and his metagame, along with indirectly buffing most of the cast, allowing their metagames to outshine that of Olimar, which was among the best in ''Brawl''. As with {{PM|Snake}}, Olimar does not benefit from these physics and the techniques that come with them other than [[L-canceling]].}}

*{{buff|Up tilt is now a single jumping headbutt, which delivers a single hit that can be used repeatedly for juggling. It also has less end lag (FAF 40 → 27).}}

*{{nerf|New up tilt deals less damage (11% → 8%) and has more startup lag (frame 6 → 7).}}

*{{change|Smash attacks have a different sound effect.}}

*{{buff|Forward smash has more air time for Pikmin allowing for the hitboxes to be out for longer. Forward Smash now lasts until the Pikmin hit the ground.}}

*{{nerf|Forward smash has a different animation with more startup lag except for yellow based forward smash (frame 11 → 15) and ending lag (FAF 40 → 48 (RBPW), 44 (Y).}}

*{{buff|Yellow based up smash has less startup lag (frame 8 → 7).}}

*{{nerf|Up Smash has less horizontal range and more ending lag (FAF 33 → 43 (RBPW), 42 (Y).}}

*{{nerf|Olimar's [[DACUS]] covers less distance hindering up smash's approach potential.}}

*{{nerf|Down smash has a different animation with more end lag (FAF 39 → 45).}}

*{{buff|Up aerial only hits once, inflicting a strong consistent damage, so it can be effectively used for [[juggling]] with weak Pikmin and as a KO move with strong ones. Yellow based up aerial also has less startup lag (frame 8 → 5).}}

*{{nerf|New up aerial however deals much less damage (24% → 13/15/17% (R), 16% → 9/10/11% (Y), 22% → 11/12/13% (B), 9% → 5/6/7% (W), 22% → 13/14/15% (P)). It also has more end lag except for yellow based up aerial (FAF 35 → 38).}}

*{{buff|Down aerial is now a very strong meteor doing more damage (12% → 13/14/15% (Y), 14% → 15/17/19% (P), 8% → 9/10/11% (W). The late hit also deals more damage with the exception of white based down aerial (7% → 9% (R), 6% → 8% (YB), 6% → 11% (P). Lastly, it has much less end lag (FAF 52 → 37 (RBPW), 33 (Y).}}

*{{nerf|Down aerial has an increased startup (frame 9 → 16 (RBPW), 12 (Y)), comparable to that of {{SSBB|Ness}}'s down aerial in ''Brawl'', no longer being a quick, reliable [[edgeguarding]] option. It also has a much shorter duration (frames 9-29 → 16-20 (RBPW), 12-16 (Y) and can no longer [[trip]] grounded opponents.}}

*{{buff|All grabs have decreased startup lag (frame 11 → 9).}}

*{{buff|Forward throw with Blue Pikmin does slightly more damage (13% → 12/14/16%).}}

*{{buff|Up throw with Blue Pikmin has significantly more base knockback. The changes to ''Project M'''s physics also improve its combo potential beyond low percents. Red, yellow and blue based up throws also deal more damage (6% → 7% (R), 7% → 9% (Y), 12% → 12/14/16% (B).}}

*{{nerf|Purple based up throw deals less damage (11% → 9%) and deals less knockback hindering its KO potential and no longer making it the strongest up throw in the game.}}

*{{buff|Pummel with flower White Pikmin does 7% in addition to poison damage.}}

*{{buff|[[Pikmin Order]] has been significantly sped up (FAF 21 → 11), so it can be used for about five times per second, allowing to call Pikmin back with little to no ending lag.}}

*{{nerf|Pikmin Order no longer has [[armor]] completely removing its defensive capabilities.}}

*{{bugfix|Initial walk speed corrected.}}

**{{buff|Olimar's antenna lights up reflecting the next Pikmin in line.}}

***{{buff|He also spawns 2 Pikmin every time he respawns.}}

*Forward aerial (Pikmin):

Up to date as of version 3.6.

! rowspan=2| !! rowspan=2| Name!! colspan=6| Damage!! rowspan=2 width=55%| Description

! rowspan=2 | Neutral attack

| rowspan=2 | || 3%, 2% (antenna) || colspan=5 rowspan=2 | — || rowspan=2 | Olimar headbutts twice. The first attack's hitbox goes as far as the antenna on his head.

|5%

| || 10% || colspan=5 | — || Olimar kicks both legs forward, falling to the ground. Has decent knockback at higher percentages.

| || 8% || colspan=5 | — || Olimar hops and performs an upwards headbutt. Olimar's head is [[intangible]] when performing this attack.

| || 6% (body), 2% (antenna) || colspan=5 | —|| Olimar slides head-first at the enemy, moving a small distance forward. Deals minimal knockback and combos well into other moves early on. The hitbox goes as far as the antenna on Olimar's head.  

| || 7% (clean), 4% (late) || colspan=5 | — || Olimar does a cartwheel forward. Deals primarily vertical knockback and a good combo starter.

| || — || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|20}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|15}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|6}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|6}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|6}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|3}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}} (late) || A Pikmin leaps forwards with a spinning bodyslam. Damage and knockback of the move depends on which Pikmin is used, with the Red Pikmin dealing the most damage, the Purple Pikmin having the strongest knockback, and the White Pikmin being the weakest, both in damage and in knockback. A weak hit will occur if a Pikmin connects as it falls, making this move good for [[edgeguarding]], but the Pikmin will die if thrown off the edge.

| || — || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|7}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|5}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (late) || A Pikmin rockets upwards into the air. Olimar's fastest smash attack and is great move for [[juggling]]. Possesses huge knockback when it's a purple Pikmin with a flower, being able to KO at 85% on heavyweights even without charging.

| || — || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|13}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|8}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|7}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|4}} (late) || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}-{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|16}} (clean), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (late) || Two Pikmin dashes out to simultaneously on either side. Deals no vertical knockback, making it useful against heavyweights and/or characters with short horizontal recovery. An enemy can actually hit both Pikmin if they are in between Olimar. If only one Pikmin is present when using this attack, it will attack in front of Olimar.

| || 2% (hits 1-5) || colspan=5 | — || Olimar spins in place, hitting multiple times. The last hit has moderate knockback and is a potential combo starter.  

| || — || 13-17% || 10-12% || 12-14% || 6-8% || 13-15% || Olimar swings a Pikmin forward in a downward arc. Has decent vertical knockback. This move can be wavelanded from a short hop, but it is difficult to do consistently.

| || — || 15-19% || 12-14% || 14-16% || 8-10% || 15-17% || Olimar swings a Pikmin behind in a upward arc. This move turns Olimar around in the air.

| || — || 13-17% (clean), 7% (late)|| 9-11% (clean), 5% (late) || 11-13% (clean), 6% (late) || 5-7% (clean), 3% (late) || 13-15% (clean), 8% (late) || Olimar lifts a Pikmin upwards over his head. An ideal KO move when used with a red or purple Pikmin. Long duration helps in pursuing [[air dodge]]s.

| || — || 15-19% (clean), 9% (late) || 13-15% (clean), 8% (late) || 14-16% (clean), 8% (late) || 9-11% (clean), 4% (late) || 15-17% (clean), 11% (late) || Olimar strikes downward with a Pikmin. The move itself is a [[spike]], being strongest with the red Pikmin and weakest with the white Pikmin.

| || colspan=6 | — || Olimar sends a Pikmin forth to grab an opponent.

| || — || 2% || 2% || 2% || 2-6% || 2% || Pikmin attacks with headbutt.

| || — || 6% || 7% || 12-16% || 6% || 7% || The Pikmin releases the foe forwards. Strongest in terms of knockback with the blue Pikmin.

| || — || 7% || 9% || 12-16% || 7% || 9% || The Pikmin swings the foe backwards by slamming them onto the ground. Strongest in terms of knockback with the blue Pikmin, with purple Pikmin only being slightly weaker.

| || — || 7% || 9% || 12-16% || 6% || 10% || The Pikmin leaps into the air, turns the opponent upside-down, then slams them into the ground. With the blue pikmin, this move can [[Star KO]] even heavyweights at 130%, with the Purple Pikmin being slightly weaker than the blue Pikmin.

| || — || 1% (hit 1), 6% (throw) || 1% (hit 1), 8% (throw) || 1-5% (hit 1), 9% (throw) || 1% (hit 1), 5% (throw) || 1% (hit 1), 7% (throw) || The Pikmin slams the foe into the ground. This throw can be used to tech-chase fastfallers and heavyweights, and can combo into an aerial at higher percentages.

| || 6% || colspan=5 | — || Gets up and headbutts both sides.

| || 6% || colspan=5 | — || Gets up and punches both sides.

| || 5% || colspan=5 | — || Gets up and headbutts forward, and kicks backwards.

| || 8% || colspan=5 | — || Quickly climbs up and headbutts onto the stage.

| || 10% || colspan=5 | — || Gets up slowly and quickly sticks one foot out.

| [[Pikmin Pluck]] || colspan=6 | — || Olimar quickly pulls out a random Pikmin out of the ground. What type of terrain where this move is used has some influence on what type of Pikmin will be pulled out more often. Olimar can have up to four Pikmin following him, and trying to pluck another, will result in Olimar grabbing nothing and being vulnerable for a moment. Using the move in the air will make Olimar rise up a little, but it only once.

| [[Pikmin Throw]] ||—|| 2-4% (latched hits) || 2-4% (latched hits) || 2-4% (latched hits) || 3-5% (latched hits), 6-8% (explosion) || 10% || Olimar throws a Pikmin at an enemy, who will latch onto the enemy and will slowly rack up damage. Different Pikmin have different effects when thrown. If the target cannot be latched onto, or the Pikmin is Purple, it simply deals damage. The Pikmin can be reflected back at Olimar, in which case, they will stick to him instead. The player can simply use Pikmin Order to get them off and avoid taking damage.  

| Ionium Jet || 10% (startup), 1% (hits 1-7), 5% (hit 8) || colspan=5| — || Olimar jets upwards diagonally, dealing damage while flying. If Olimar takes a hit while using this move, Olimar will lose his jump (even if he did not use his second jump before using Ionium Jet).

| [[Pikmin Order]] || colspan=6 | — || Olimar quickly blows his whistle, and a colored area surrounds him. Any Pikmin that are separated from Olimar will, after a split second, immediately fly to his side. This can be used to recall ones that have fallen behind or are pummeling an enemy, though Pikmin in the midst of some actions (such as travelling after being thrown) cannot be recalled. If there are no Pikmin separated from Olimar, the ones in Olimar's line will be organized by colour. If they are already in sorted order, the next colour of Pikmin will be sorted to the front, following the order of Red, Yellow, Blue, White, and Purple, with the previous front-runners being shifted to the back. As various Pikmin have different strengths, Olimar must do this to control his lineup to get the most out of it.  

| [[End of Day]] || colspan=6 | 10% (bury), 15% (ascent), 1-43% (Bulborbs), 10% (descent), 15%/20% (explosion) || Olimar takes off in the S.S. Dolphin, leaving his opponents alone for Red Bulborbs to attack them. Afterwards, the ship crash lands back onto the stage, hurting anyone in its path.

{{cleanup|[[SmashWiki:Cleanup of the Notable Players sections|Needs to be updated to fit these guidelines]]}}

*{{Sm|Guttey|USA}} - Ranked #49 on [[PMRank 2023]].

*{{Sm|Bees|USA}} - Ranked 6th in Massachusetts.

*{{Sm|~CP9~|USA}} - Formerly ranked #42 on [[PMRank 2022]].

*{{Sm|Dotcom|USA}} - Strong tristate player.

In terms of cosmetics, Olimar now has a clearer blue team color, his black costume from ''Brawl'' now has darker skin rather than a darker helmet, he has a purple alt, and his blue color from ''Brawl'' now has blonde hair to further reference Louie.  

 

|colspan=8|[[File:Olimar Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Olimar's alternate costumes in PM.]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadSSBB.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadWhiteSSBB.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadRedSSBB.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadBlackPM.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadGreenSSBB.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadBlueSSBB.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadYellowPM.png]]

|[[File:OlimarHeadPurplePM.png]]

*[https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/nq02kx/olimar_tech_post_repost_cause_it_wasnt_working/ Labbing Discord Tech Post]