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'''Ness''' ({{ja|ネス|Nesu}}, ''Ness'') is a [[ | {{cquote|''A psychic boy with a distinct midair jump.''|cite=Description from ''Melee's'' manual.}} | ||
'''Ness''' ({{ja|ネス|Nesu}}, ''Ness'') is a [[default character]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''. Announced at [[E3]] 2001, he was originally going to be replaced by [[Lucas]] from ''[[Mother 3]]''; the ultimate cancellation of the game for the Nintendo 64, however, caused [[Masahiro Sakurai]] to retain Ness. | |||
Makiko Ōmoto reprises her role as Ness in ''Melee'' with new voice clips. | Makiko Ōmoto reprises her role as Ness in ''Melee'' with new voice clips. | ||
Ness is currently ranked 23rd out of 26 on the [[tier list]], placing within the | Ness is currently ranked 23rd out of 26 on the [[tier list]], placing within the F tier. This is a slight fall from his already very low placement in ''Smash 64'', where he was 10th out of 12 characters in the NTSC Version, and his worst placement to date. While still possessing great throws and a great aerial game thanks to his double jump cancel, Ness has a poor approach on the ground due to significant range issues in most of his attacks; his recovery is also easy to intercept and edgeguard against, and he also has significant trouble KOing opponents, due to his surprisingly weak KO power and due to his aforementioned poor range. As a result of these significant weaknesses, Ness has very poor [[Matchup|matchups]], with six nearly unwinnable, and his favorable matchups being either too slow or having even worse range to combat his tools. As such, he is considered non-viable in competitive play, with matchups remaining overall poor and having near non-existent representation in the modern metagame. | ||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
Ness is an unusual blend of character archetypes; many of his attributes are unique in comparison to other characters, such as his projectiles, his [[recovery]] and his midair [[jump]]. Ness has | Ness is an unusual blend of character archetypes; many of his attributes are unique in comparison to other characters, such as his projectiles, his [[recovery]] and his midair [[jump]]. Ness has above average [[traction]] and a moderately low [[falling speed]], giving him an above-average [[wavedash]] that is relatively quick. Ness is a projectile-heavy character, as he has 3 projectiles: [[PK Flash]], [[PK Fire]] and [[PK Thunder]], while also having a healing move in his [[PSI Magnet]]. | ||
Arguably Ness's greatest strength is his combo game. Despite a poor [[SHFFL]] due to his high short hop and low falling speed, Ness has many ways to pressure and combo in the air thanks to his [[double jump cancel]] (often abbreviated DJC). By cancelling out of his midair jump with an aerial, Ness can quickly and efficiently use his multiple aerial attacks; this is especially important considering the utility of his aerial attacks. His [[neutral aerial]] and [[forward aerial]] attacks acting as potential combo starters (especially the latter) and his back, up and down air attacks serve as good KO moves. Due to this, his air approach is considered to be much better than his ground approach. | Arguably Ness's greatest strength is his combo game. Despite a poor [[SHFFL]] due to his high short hop and low falling speed, Ness has many ways to pressure and combo in the air thanks to his [[double jump cancel]] (often abbreviated DJC). By cancelling out of his midair jump with an aerial, Ness can quickly and efficiently use his multiple aerial attacks; this is especially important considering the utility of his aerial attacks. His [[neutral aerial]] and [[forward aerial]] attacks acting as potential combo starters (especially the latter) and his back, up and down air attacks serve as good KO moves. Due to this, his air approach is considered to be much better than his ground approach. | ||
Although Ness has a poor ground approach, he still boasts two effective options: his grab game and the [[Yo-yo glitch]]. Ness' throws all have excellent utility; his forward throw has extremely high base knockback, making it ideal for starting edgeguards. His down throw is a decent combo starter, having potential to lead into his DJC'd aerials. His up throw is a decent chain grab and can be used in conjunction with PK Thunder to rack up damage or play mindgames. Finally, his back throw is the strongest throw in the game, making it a deadly KOing option. As for the Yo-yo glitch, Ness is the only character to have access to this technique. It is initiated through his up smash, and can be used to attack or grab with near limitless range or attach certain single-hitbox attacks to Ness's body. This can significantly increase Ness' range and options when performed properly. | Although Ness has a poor ground approach, he still boasts two effective options: his grab game and the [[Yo-yo glitch]]. Ness' throws all have excellent utility; his forward throw has extremely high base knockback, making it ideal for starting edgeguards. His down throw is a decent combo starter, having potential to lead into his DJC'd aerials. His up throw is a decent chain grab and can be used in conjunction with PK Thunder to rack up damage or play mindgames. Finally, his back throw is the strongest throw in the game, making it a deadly KOing option. As for the Yo-yo glitch, Ness is the only character to have access to this technique. It is initiated through his up smash, and can be used to attack or grab with near limitless range or attach certain single-hitbox attacks to Ness's body. This can significantly increase Ness' range and options when performed properly. | ||
Ness' greatest flaw, however, is his significant range problems. All of his attacks (especially his tilts) have little range or small hitboxes, making hitting an opponent very difficult. Although wavedashing can help out this problem somewhat, Ness' ground based options have too little utility overall to | Ness' greatest flaw, however, is his significant range problems. All of his attacks (especially his tilts) have little range or small hitboxes, making hitting an opponent very difficult. Although wavedashing can help out this problem somewhat, Ness' ground based options have too little utility overall to benefit noticeably. When combined with his somewhat slow movement, Ness has significant trouble approaching opponents. Thus, his dash attack is considered to be his only reliable ground approach option, due to its decent range unlike most of his other attacks. Also, Ness's grab has the second shortest range in all of the game (only to {{SSBM|Pikachu}}), thus making it difficult for him to take advantage of his versatile throws, while his dash grab is extremely laggy and barely improves its range. Finally, against opponents with particularly good spacing games, most notoriously {{SSBM|Marth}}, Ness can be easily overwhelmed in his attempts to approach opponents in the air despite the power of his DJC. | ||
Assuming he can approach his opponents, Ness suffers from noticeable KOing problems, largely due to his poor power and range. He possesses arguably the worst set of smash attacks in the game: his up and down smashes are the weakest of their kind and his forward smash needs to be sweetspotted at the tip of the bat to KO effectively. His back, up and down aerials are powerful, but their poor reach make them difficult to land, while his down aerial is rather slow. Finally, Ness' back throw is his most powerful finisher, but it is held back by his aforementioned poor grab range. | |||
Ness' special moveset also has some problems: it is rather situational overall. PK Flash boasts extreme power when fully charged and is great for punishing poorly positioned opponents offstage, but it is limited to edgeguarding due to it being very slow and difficult to land. PK Fire can trap opponents and leave them open for follow-ups, and can even gimp fast-fallers. However, it has short reach for a projectile and is very easy to SDI out of, making it easy to punish. PK Thunder is Ness' most useful special move; it is unique for controlling a thunder ball which can be moved in any direction, allowing for mindgames, offstage gimps, and even a powerful KOing option in PK Thunder 2. However it has one critical flaw: the player loses control of Ness during the move, leaving him open to extremely powerful attacks if he can't hit the opponent quick enough. Finally, PSI Magnet can heal Ness and put him in a better position defensively, but it is rather slow and completely dependent on the opposing character, as it only absorbs energy-based projectiles. | Ness' special moveset also has some problems: it is rather situational overall. PK Flash boasts extreme power when fully charged and is great for punishing poorly positioned opponents offstage, but it is limited to edgeguarding due to it being very slow and difficult to land. PK Fire can trap opponents and leave them open for follow-ups, and can even gimp fast-fallers. However, it has short reach for a projectile and is very easy to SDI out of, making it easy to punish. PK Thunder is Ness' most useful special move; it is unique for controlling a thunder ball which can be moved in any direction, allowing for mindgames, offstage gimps, and even a powerful KOing option in PK Thunder 2. However it has one critical flaw: the player loses control of Ness during the move, leaving him open to extremely powerful attacks if he can't hit the opponent quick enough. Finally, PSI Magnet can heal Ness and put him in a better position defensively, but it is rather slow and completely dependent on the opposing character, as it only absorbs energy-based projectiles. | ||
Outside of his poor approach, Ness also suffers from | Outside of his poor approach, Ness also suffers from an easily gimpable recovery. Ness's recovery has its merits; he has the second highest midair jump in the game (second to only Yoshi) and his midair jump has unusual properties in its trajectory; PK Thunder 2 also grants a rather long distance, with a moderately large sweetspot and a long period of invincibility frames. The move is also very risky to block due to possessing KO power that reliably KOs at 90%. Despite these benefits, however, Ness's recovery still is cited as arguably the worst in the game, in spite of its long length, due to possessing many notable flaws. If Ness uses an aerial to fend off edgeguarders, his double jump is cancelled and can prevent him from recovering if unable to act soon enough. PK Thunder's projectile instantly disappears upon hitting opponents, and this is very easily abusable by edgeguarders, further worsened by PK Thunder 2's slow startup. In the process of having to start PK Thunder 2, characters with good recoveries (such as {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} or {{SSBM|Samus}}) can merely jump into the projectile and take minor knockback and damage, immediately sending Ness into a state of [[helplessness]], though this is a risky strategy. Projectiles such as {{SSBM|Link}}'s Boomerangs and the {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}}' [[Ice Shot]] can easily disrupt the projectile as well, and in these cases, damage is not even inflicted to the opponent. PK Thunder 2 also suffers from a number of problems. Notably, it is difficult to angle correctly, and it can easily curve under lips of stages, most notably on {{SSBM|Battlefield}}. Its linear nature can also make it easy to read and edgeguard for many characters, despite the invincibility frames found within it, and attacks like Mario's [[Cape]] or Link's [[Spin Attack]] can easily intercept the attack as Ness charges to the stage. Finally, PK Thunder 2 has significant ending lag, and if Ness recovers directly onto the stage after using it, opponents can easily capitalize on this ending lag by landing a powerful hit on Ness that he cannot hope to counter. | ||
==Changes from '' | ==Changes from ''Smash 64'' to ''Melee''== | ||
While Ness is considered to be a low tier in ''Smash 64'' owing to his poor range, mobility and most notably; his | While Ness is considered to be a low tier in ''Smash 64'' owing to his poor range, mobility and most notably; his terrible recovery, he was initially considered to be top tier character in the game's early meta due to the strength of his [[double jump cancel]] which gave him a powerful combo game as well as giving him excellent [[shield]] pressuring potential. Likely as a result of this, Ness received a mix of buffs and nerfs in his transition from ''Smash 64'' to ''Melee'' but was ultimately [[nerf]]ed overall. | ||
Ness received a number of helpful buffs; his range was increased as a whole to help alleviate one of his main flaws from the previous game. This can most notably be seen with his altered dash attack and forward aerial which have now become disjointed multi hitting moves. The former has become a decent combo starter and an edgeguarding tool while the latter in particular has now become a solid spacing move with good combo potential (something he sorely lacked in the previous game). | Ness received a number of helpful buffs; his range was increased as a whole to help alleviate one of his main flaws from the previous game. This can most notably be seen with his altered dash attack and forward aerial which have now become disjointed multi hitting moves. The former has become a decent combo starter and an edgeguarding tool while the latter in particular has now become a solid spacing move with good combo potential (something he sorely lacked in the previous game). | ||
Ness' mobility has been drastically improved, possessing a much faster dashing speed and air speed, making it much easier for him to approach, run away and chase opponents. Ness also benefits from the introduction of [[air dodging]] for two reasons; it gives him a much needed additional recovery and it gives him access to [[wavedash]]ing. Ness overall has a solid wavedash due to his average traction and short jumpsquat giving him a useful movement option. Ness overall has a better recovery outside of [[PK Thunder]] due to his | Ness' mobility has been drastically improved, possessing a much faster dashing speed and air speed, making it much easier for him to approach, run away and chase opponents. Ness also benefits from the introduction of [[air dodging]] for two reasons; it gives him a much needed additional recovery and it gives him access to [[wavedash]]ing. Ness overall has a solid wavedash due to his average traction and short jumpsquat giving him a useful movement option. Ness overall has a better recovery outside of [[PK Thunder]] due to his afforementioned increased air speed and ability to air dodge meaning that Ness does not have to rely on PK Thunder to recover as much. | ||
Ness is also significantly heavier which considerably improves his endurance along with his higher falling speed | Ness is also significantly heavier which considerably improves his endurance along with his higher falling speed although these factors also make him more vulnerable to combos. Ness has also gained a useful up throw and down throw with both throws being decent combo starters. Lastly, Ness now has access the Yo-yo glitch if he charges his up smash and releases it at the right time. When performed correctly, Ness has access to much greater range, as well as having hitboxes attached to him and new mindgames giving him a unique and unpredictable option. | ||
However, Ness has received a much greater quantity of nerfs which along with universal changes, have | However, Ness has received a much greater quantity of nerfs which along with universal changes, have significantly harmed him overall. Ness' damage output has been reduced which has also hindered the KO potential of many of his moves. Some moves such as up aerial and back throw simply KO later in the previous games while moves such as up smash, down smash, forward aerial and forward throw are now practically useless moves for KOing. This naturally hinders Ness' damage racking capabilities as well as his ability to close out stocks and as a result of these changes, Ness' ability to KO opponents has gone from being disproportionately high to rather low. | ||
Ness' aerial game has also been considerably toned | Ness' aerial game has also been considerably been toned both due to nerfs to his key aerials in the previous game as well as various universal changes. All of Ness' aerials have increased landing lag and (with the exception of neutral aerial) worse auto-cancel windows. Due to the weakening of [[L-canceling]], these changes do impact Ness hindering his aerial combo game when combined with the reduction of hitstun and the introduction of [[DI]] as well as making his aerials easier to punish. Ness is also one of the characters who was the most affected by the changes to [[shield]]s. With shields having more HP, taking less damage from attacks and with shieldstun being significantly lower; this combined with the afforementioned weakening of L-canceling has greatly hindered Ness' shield pressuring potential with his DJC completely removing his ability to perform [[shield break combo]]s. Ness' own out of shield options are also worse due to his longer jumpsquat, slower grab and his slower down aerial. | ||
Ness' down aerial in particular has seen rather drastic nerfs. Previously, it was an extremely fast and powerful meteor smash which was a good combo starter as well as an excellent combo ender, edgeguarding tool and shield pressuring tool. In ''Melee'', the move has about 5x as much startup lag and 3x as much ending lag and the move no longer auto-cancels while its hitboxes are out now having decently high landing lag (although it still has one of the most lenient auto-cancel windows in the game). Being a [[meteor smash]], it also suffers from the addition of meteor cancelling making it significantly easier to survive against despite its much higher base knockback. When combined with the | Ness' down aerial in particular has seen rather drastic nerfs. Previously, it was an extremely fast and powerful meteor smash which was a good combo starter as well as an excellent combo ender, edgeguarding tool and shield pressuring tool. In ''Melee'', the move has about 5x as much startup lag and 3x as much ending lag and the move no longer auto-cancels while its hitboxes are out now having decently high landing lag (although it still has one of the most lenient auto-cancel windows in the game). Being a [[meteor smash]], it also suffers from the addition of meteor cancelling making it significantly easier to survive against despite its much higher base knockback. When combined with the afforementioned changes to shields and L-canceling, this removes most of its KO potential and completely removes its use in shield break combos and DJC combos in general, significantly hurting its damage racking ability. | ||
Despite already being an exploitable recovery move, PK Thunder has been made | Despite already being an exploitable recovery move, PK Thunder has been made even worse. PK Thunder itself travels faster but has received angling issues due to this change and Ness can no longer auto-snap the ledge while using it making it completely useless to use at the ledge if Ness does not hit himself. PK Thunder 2 travels a much shorter distance and has increased ending lag making it even easier to exploit than it already was. PK Thunder 2 is also much weaker as a KO move and has received a weaker late hit reducing its utility outside of recovering.; this makes Ness' recovery arguably the worst in the game. | ||
Lastly, Ness' | Lastly, Ness' weakenesses from the previous game were not properly addressed. While the range in some of his attacks has increased, his range is still among the absolute shortest in the game and his mobility is still mediocre even though its not quite as poor as it previous was. As a result, Ness still has a difficult time approaching opponents and winning the neutral as he can still easily be outspaced. His recovery also remains among the absolute worse as while he has better aerial mobility and he can airdodge to avoid having to use PK Thunder, PK Thunder retains all of the issues it had in the previous game and has even become a worse move/recovery option overall. | ||
Overall, Ness still retains the weaknesses he had in the previous game while the strengths he had were either toned down or removed. As a result of these changes, Ness is one of the most severely | Overall, Ness still retains the weaknesses he had in the previous game while the strengths he had were either toned down or removed. As a result of these changes, Ness is one of the characters who was nerfed the most severely alongside {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, {{SSBM|Pikachu}}, and {{SSBM|Kirby}} and he remains one of the worst characters in the game. | ||
===Aesthetics=== | ===Aesthetics=== | ||
*{{change|Ness's grounded jump is no longer psychokinetic.}} | *{{change|Ness's grounded jump is no longer psychokinetic.}} | ||
*{{change|Ness has new voice samples.}} | *{{change|Ness has new voice samples.}} | ||
*{{change|Ness's cap is turned right.}} | |||
*{{change|Ness's backpack is two strapped.}} | |||
*{{change|Ness now has a blue hue in his eyes.}} | *{{change|Ness now has a blue hue in his eyes.}} | ||
*{{change|Ness's default costume have been slightly changed (red cap has blue instead of purple, beige and blue striped shirt and blue shorts instead of yellow/purple and purple, blue cap has purple instead of violet, tan and purple striped shirt and purple shorts instead of yellow/violet and violet, and | *{{change|Ness's default costume have been slightly changed (red cap has blue instead of purple, beige and blue striped shirt and blue shorts instead of yellow/purple and purple, blue cap has purple instead of violet, tan and purple striped shirt and purple shorts instead of yellow/violet and violet, and orange and brown striped shirt and green shorts instead of light green/orange and orange like Mario's team battle costume.)}} | ||
*{{change|Ness now faces the screen if he uses his [[taunt]] while facing left. It also has a new voice clip.}} | *{{change|Ness now faces the screen if he uses his [[taunt]] while facing left. It also has a new voice clip.}} | ||
===Attributes=== | ===Attributes=== | ||
*{{nerf|Ness' [[walking]] speed is slightly slower (0.28 → 0.84).}} | |||
*{{buff|Ness' [[dash]] speed is faster (40 → 1.4) no longest being the slowest.}} | |||
*{{change|Ness is significantly heavier (81.818 → 94).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Ness' [[ | **{{buff|This significantly improves his endurance.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ness' [[ | |||
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**{{nerf|However, this also makes him much more vulnerable to combos and makes him susceptible to {{SSBM|Fox}}'s waveshine combos.}} | **{{nerf|However, this also makes him much more vulnerable to combos and makes him susceptible to {{SSBM|Fox}}'s waveshine combos.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ness' [[air speed]] is faster (28 → 0.93) going from the 11th highest out of 12 characters to the 11th highest out of 26.}} | |||
*{{change|Ness' [[falling speed]] is higher (55 → 1.83), improving his vertical endurance, but making him more susceptible to combos.}} | |||
*{{change|Ness' [[gravity]] is higher (2.7 → 0.09).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Ness' [[fast fall]]ing speed is significantly lower (88.5 → 2.2).}} | |||
*{{nerf|Ness' [[jump|Jumpsquat]] is longer (3 frames → 4).}} | |||
*{{buff|The introduction of [[air dodging]] benefits Ness as it gives him a much needed additional recovery option as well as an additional movement option in the form of [[wavedash]]ing.}} | *{{buff|The introduction of [[air dodging]] benefits Ness as it gives him a much needed additional recovery option as well as an additional movement option in the form of [[wavedash]]ing.}} | ||
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*[[Neutral attack]]: | *[[Neutral attack]]: | ||
**{{buff|Neutral attack's first hit deals more damage (2% → 3%).}} | **{{buff|Neutral attack's first hit deals more damage (2% → 3%).}} | ||
**{{buff|Neutral attack transitions sooner into the later hits (frame 10 → 5 (hit 1), frame 8 → | **{{buff|Neutral attack transitions sooner into the later hits (frame 10 → 5 (hit 1), frame 8 → 7 (hit 2)).}} | ||
**{{buff|The third hit has increased base knockback (10 → 16).}} | **{{buff|The third hit has increased base knockback (10 → 16).}} | ||
**{{nerf|All three hits of neutral attack have more startup lag with the second and third hits also having a shorter duration (frames 2-3 (hit 1)/3-5 (hit 2)/6-11 (hit 3) → 3-4/4-5/7-10).}} | **{{nerf|All three hits of neutral attack have more startup lag with the second and third hits also having a shorter duration (frames 2-3 (hit 1)/3-5 (hit 2)/6-11 (hit 3) → 3-4/4-5/7-10).}} | ||
**{{nerf|All three hits have more ending lag (FAF 18 (hit 1)/20 (hit 2)/ 25 (frame 3) → 20/21/31).}} | **{{nerf|All three hits have more ending lag (FAF 18 (hit 1)/20 (hit 2)/ 25 (frame 3) → 20/21/31).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness can no longer cancel the first hit into grab.}} | **{{nerf|Ness can no longer cancel the first hit into grab.}} | ||
*[[Forward tilt]]: | *[[Forward tilt]]: | ||
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***{{nerf|However, this along with the reduction of [[hitstun]] and the introduction of [[DI]] significantly hinders its combo potential.}} | ***{{nerf|However, this along with the reduction of [[hitstun]] and the introduction of [[DI]] significantly hinders its combo potential.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Up tilt has a much shorter duration (frames 5-19 → 5-9) hindering its use as an anti air and giving it more cooldown.}} | **{{nerf|Up tilt has a much shorter duration (frames 5-19 → 5-9) hindering its use as an anti air and giving it more cooldown.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness' | **{{nerf|Ness' head has less [[intangibility]] (frames 5-19 → 5-6) further hindering up tilt's use as an anti-air.}} | ||
*[[Down tilt]]: | *[[Down tilt]]: | ||
**{{buff|Down tilt has less startup lag (frame 4 → 3) and Ness can perform another down tilt sooner (frame 11 → 8).}} | **{{buff|Down tilt has less startup lag (frame 4 → 3) and Ness can perform another down tilt sooner (frame 11 → 8).}} | ||
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**{{buff|Dash attack deals slightly more damage if all hits connect (12% (clean)/9% (late) → 5% (hit 1)/4% (hits 2 & 3)/12.28% (total)) and has significantly more range and overall utility.}} | **{{buff|Dash attack deals slightly more damage if all hits connect (12% (clean)/9% (late) → 5% (hit 1)/4% (hits 2 & 3)/12.28% (total)) and has significantly more range and overall utility.}} | ||
**{{change|The final hit of dash attack has higher base knockback (16 → 70) and launches opponents vertically (361° → 100°) improving its combo potential but hindering its KO and edgeguarding potential when combined with its lower damage.}} | **{{change|The final hit of dash attack has higher base knockback (16 → 70) and launches opponents vertically (361° → 100°) improving its combo potential but hindering its KO and edgeguarding potential when combined with its lower damage.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Dash attack has a shorter duration (frames 8-11 (clean)/12-25 (late) → 8/15/22) and each hit has high base knockback making it extremely difficult to connect properly.}} | **{{nerf|Dash attack has a shorter duration (frames 8-11 (clean)/12-25 (late) → 8/15/22) and each hit has high base knockback making it extremely difficult to connect properly.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Dash attack has more ending lag (FAF 38 → 40).}} | **{{nerf|Dash attack has more ending lag (FAF 38 → 40).}} | ||
*[[Forward smash]]: | *[[Forward smash]]: | ||
**{{buff|Forward smash has increased horizontal range.}} | **{{buff|Forward smash has increased horizontal range.}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward smash has less startup lag (frame 18 → 16).}} | **{{buff|Forward smash has less startup lag (frame 18 → 16).}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward smash no longer deals consistent damage with the tipper of the bat being the strongest (18% → 18%/20%/22%/24%).}} | **{{buff|Forward smash no longer deals consistent damage with the tipper of the bat being the strongest (18% → 18%/20%/22%/24%).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Forward smash deals less knockback (70 (base), 65 (scaling) → 50/62) | **{{nerf|Forward smash deals less knockback (70 (base), 65 (scaling) → 50/62) hindering the sourspots' KO potential.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Forward smash has a shorter duration (frames 18-21 → 16-17 | **{{nerf|Forward smash has a shorter duration (frames 18-21 → 16-17).}} | ||
*[[Up smash]]: | *[[Up smash]]: | ||
**{{buff|Up smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 13-25 → 12-31).}} | **{{buff|Up smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 13-25 → 12-31).}} | ||
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**{{nerf|The clean hit has a shorter duration (frames 13-17 → 12-14).}} | **{{nerf|The clean hit has a shorter duration (frames 13-17 → 12-14).}} | ||
**{{nerf|The clean hit no longer launches opponents towards Ness (110° → 70°).}} | **{{nerf|The clean hit no longer launches opponents towards Ness (110° → 70°).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Up smash deals significantly less damage (17% → 9% (clean), 15%/13% → 6% (late)). The clean hit's knockback was not fully compensated (20 (base), 100 (scaling) → 80/80) while the late hit deals less knockback (0 (base), 100 (scaling) → 60/45) | **{{nerf|Up smash deals significantly less damage (17% → 9% (clean), 15%/13% → 6% (late)). The clean hit's knockback was not fully compensated (20 (base), 100 (scaling) → 80/80) while the late hit deals less knockback (0 (base), 100 (scaling) → 60/45).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Up smash has more ending lag (FAF 40 → | **{{nerf|Up smash has more ending lag (FAF 40 → 50).}} | ||
*[[Down smash]]: | *[[Down smash]]: | ||
**{{buff|Down smash has less startup lag (frame 13 → 12).}} | **{{buff|Down smash has less startup lag (frame 13 → 12).}} | ||
**{{change|Down smash now launches opponents vertically (361° → 70°).}} | **{{change|Down smash now launches opponents vertically (361° → 70°).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down smash has less range.}} | **{{nerf|Down smash has less range.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down smash has a much shorter duration (frames 13-52 → 12 (clean), 13-31 (late)) and now has a | **{{nerf|Down smash has a much shorter duration (frames 13-52 → 12 (clean), 13-31 (late)) and now has a weaker late hit.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down smash deals drastically less damage (19% → 11%/7%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (0 (base), 100 (scaling) → 70/80 (clean), 70/60 (late)) | **{{nerf|Down smash deals drastically less damage (19% → 11%/7%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (0 (base), 100 (scaling) → 70/80 (clean), 70/60 (late)) significantly hindering its KO potential.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down smash has more ending lag (FAF 55 → 59).}} | **{{nerf|Down smash has more ending lag (FAF 55 → 59).}} | ||
===Aerial Attacks=== | ===Aerial Attacks=== | ||
*{{nerf|All aerials have increased landing lag (14 frames → 22 (neutral), 16 frames → 18 (forward), 15 frames → 18 (back), 4 | *{{nerf|All aerials have increased landing lag (14 frames → 22 (neutral), 16 frames → 18 (forward), 15 frames → 18 (back), 4 frames → 18 (up), 4 frames → 28 (down)).}} | ||
*{{nerf|All aerials except neutral aerial [[auto-cancel]] later (frame 27 → 30 (forward), frame 20 → 25 (back), frame 1 → 27 (up), frame 1 → 29 (down)).}} | *{{nerf|All aerials except neutral aerial [[auto-cancel]] later (frame 27 → 30 (forward), frame 20 → 25 (back), frame 1 → 27 (up), frame 1 → 29 (down)).}} | ||
*{{nerf|The weakening of [[L-canceling]] has hindered Ness' | *{{nerf|The weakening of [[L-canceling]] has hindered Ness' combo game with landing aerials as well as their safety with the increasing landing lag and worse auto-cancel windows on his aerials only further exacerbating this.}} | ||
**{{nerf|This combined with the changes to [[shield]]s has severely harmed Ness' | **{{nerf|This combined with the changes to [[shield]]s has severely harmed Ness' shield pressuring potential making his aerials much less safe against shield and completely removing his ability to perform [[shield break combo]]s.}} | ||
*[[Neutral aerial]]: | *[[Neutral aerial]]: | ||
**{{change|Ness has a new neutral aerial: a spin with his arms outward.}} | **{{change|Ness has a new neutral aerial: a spin with his arms outward.}} | ||
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**{{buff|Neutral aerial auto-cancels earlier (frame 40 → 27).}} | **{{buff|Neutral aerial auto-cancels earlier (frame 40 → 27).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Neutral aerial deals less damage (14% → 11% (clean), 11% → 8% (late)) hindering its KO potential.}} | **{{nerf|Neutral aerial deals less damage (14% → 11% (clean), 11% → 8% (late)) hindering its KO potential.}} | ||
***{{buff|However this combined with Ness' | ***{{buff|However this combined with Ness' superior aerial mobility improves its combo potential.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Neutral aerial has a shorter duration (frames 5-39 → 5-23).}} | **{{nerf|Neutral aerial has a shorter duration (frames 5-39 → 5-23).}} | ||
*[[Forward aerial]]: | *[[Forward aerial]]: | ||
**{{change|Forward aerial has been altered: Ness now produces | **{{change|Forward aerial has been altered: Ness now produces four PSI rings in front of him with the move being a multi hit.}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward aerial has less startup (frame 10 → 8) and ending lag (FAF 42 → 40).}} | **{{buff|Forward aerial has less startup (frame 10 → 8) and ending lag (FAF 42 → 40).}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward aerial deals more damage if all hits connect (12% (clean)/10% (late) → 3%/2% (hits 1-4)/5% (hit 5)/15.74% (total)).}} | **{{buff|Forward aerial deals more damage if all hits connect (12% (clean)/10% (late) → 3%/2% (hits 1-4)/5% (hit 5)/15.74% (total)).}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward aerial has considerably more range.}} | **{{buff|Forward aerial has considerably more range.}} | ||
**{{buff|Forward has much better combo potential due to its multi-hit properties as it can now chain into itself or other aerials.}} | **{{buff|Forward has much better combo potential due to its multi-hit properties as it can now chain into itself or other aerials.}} | ||
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**{{buff|Back aerial has less ending lag (FAF 40 → 36).}} | **{{buff|Back aerial has less ending lag (FAF 40 → 36).}} | ||
**{{buff|The sweetspot has increased base knockback (10 → 16).}} | **{{buff|The sweetspot has increased base knockback (10 → 16).}} | ||
**{{nerf|The sweetspot has a shorter duration (frames 10-13 → 10-11) with the late hit's duration being compensated (frames 14-19 → 12-19).}} | **{{nerf|The sweetspot has a shorter duration (frames 10-13 → 10-11) with the late hit's duration being compensated (frames 14-19 → 12-19).}} | ||
**{{nerf|The sweetspot now has an electric effect | **{{nerf|The sweetspot now has an electric effect giving it more hitlag (1x → 1.5x) and making it easier to DI.}} | ||
*[[Up aerial]]: | *[[Up aerial]]: | ||
**{{nerf|Ness's head is no longer intangible while performing up aerial.}} | **{{buff|Up aerial has a bigger hitbox.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness's head is no longer intangible while performing up aerial.}} | |||
**{{nerf|Up aerial deals less damage (15% → 13%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (10 (base), 110 (scaling) → 13/109).}} | **{{nerf|Up aerial deals less damage (15% → 13%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (10 (base), 110 (scaling) → 13/109).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Up aerial has a shorter duration (frames 8-16 → 8-11).}} | **{{nerf|Up aerial has a shorter duration (frames 8-16 → 8-11).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Up aerial no longer auto-cancels for its entire duration | **{{nerf|Up aerial no longer auto-cancels for its entire duration now having 18 frames of landing lag (9 if L-cancelled).}} | ||
*[[Down aerial]]: | *[[Down aerial]]: | ||
**{{buff|Down aerial has much higher base knockback (10/0 → 90), improving its edgeguarding potential at lower percents.}} | **{{buff|Down aerial has much higher base knockback (10/0 → 90), improving its edgeguarding potential at lower percents.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down aerial has drastically increased start-up lag with a shorter duration (frames 4-20 → 20-28).}} | **{{nerf|Down aerial has drastically increased start-up lag with a shorter duration (frames 4-20 → 20-28).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down aerial has twice the amount of ending lag (FAF 30 → 60) no longer being possible to perform twice in a short hop or even out of a full height double jump.}} | **{{nerf|Down aerial has twice the amount of ending lag (FAF 30 → 60) no longer being possible to perform twice in a short hop or even out of a full height double jump.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down aerial deals 3% less damage (15% → 12%) and has much lower knockback scaling (120 → 70) | **{{nerf|Down aerial deals 3% less damage (15% → 12%) and has much lower knockback scaling (120 → 70).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Down aerial no longer auto-cancels while the hitbox is out | **{{nerf|Down aerial no longer auto-cancels while the hitbox is out now having 28 frames of landing lag (14 if L-cancelled).}} | ||
**{{nerf|The addition of [[meteor canceling]], when combined with down aerial's new angle (-90° → 280°) allows it to be meteor cancelled.}} | **{{nerf|The addition of [[meteor canceling]], when combined with down aerial's new angle (-90° → 280°) allows it to be meteor cancelled.}} | ||
***{{nerf|Altogether, these changes drastically worsens the move's utility and reliability, hindering its use in combos and in shield pressure while being much more unreliable as a KO move.}} | ***{{nerf|Altogether, these changes drastically worsens the move's utility and reliability, hindering its use in combos and in shield pressure while being much more unreliable as a KO move.}} | ||
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*[[Grab]]s: | *[[Grab]]s: | ||
**{{buff|Ness has been given an [[pummel]], [[up throw]], and a [[down throw]], improving his grab's utility. Both of these new throws can be used as combo starters.}} | **{{buff|Ness has been given an [[pummel]], [[up throw]], and a [[down throw]], improving his grab's utility. Both of these new throws can be used as combo starters.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness' | **{{nerf|Ness' grabs have more startup lag (frame 6 → 8 (standing), 10 (dash)) and ending lag (FAF 16 → 31 (standing), 41 (dash)).}} | ||
*[[Forward throw]]: | *[[Forward throw]]: | ||
**{{nerf|Forward throw deals less damage (16% → 11%) and while it has increased base knockback (90 → 120), it also has drastically lower knockback scaling (70 → 10) | **{{nerf|Forward throw deals less damage (16% → 11%) and while it has increased base knockback (90 → 120), it also has drastically lower knockback scaling (70 → 10) drastically hindering its KO potential (no longer being the strongest forward throw).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Forward throw has more ending lag (FAF 45 → 53).}} | **{{nerf|Forward throw has more ending lag (FAF 45 → 53).}} | ||
*[[Back throw]]: | *[[Back throw]]: | ||
**{{nerf|Back throw deals less damage (16% → 11%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (90 (base), 70 (scaling) → 15/130) | **{{nerf|Back throw deals less damage (16% → 11%) and its knockback was not fully compensated (90 (base), 70 (scaling) → 15/130) hindering its KO potential although it still remains one of the most powerful throws in the game.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Back throw has more ending lag (FAF 45 → 53).}} | **{{nerf|Back throw has more ending lag (FAF 45 → 53).}} | ||
===Special Moves=== | ===Special Moves=== | ||
*[[PK Flash]]: | *[[PK Flash]]: | ||
**{{change|Ness now has a new neutral special: PK Flash. A chargeable green ball of light that increases in power and moves downward the longer the button is held. Once it reaches full power, it explodes, dealing huge knockback. | **{{change|Ness now has a new neutral special: PK Flash. A chargeable green ball of light that increases in power and moves downward the longer the button is held. Once it reaches full power, it explodes, dealing huge knockback.}} | ||
**{{buff|PK Flash grants Ness a new powerful (albeit slow) KO and edgeguarding option.}} | |||
*[[PK Fire]]: | *[[PK Fire]]: | ||
**{{change|As a result of PK Flash now being Ness' | **{{change|As a result of PK Flash now being Ness' neutral special, PK Fire is now Ness' side special.}} | ||
**{{buff|PK Fire has less ending lag (FAF 72 → 70).}} | **{{buff|PK Fire has less ending lag (FAF 72 → 70).}} | ||
**{{ | **{{nerf|PK Fire travels a shorter distance.}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Fire deals less damage (4% (fire)/3% (pillar hits 1-7) → 2% (fire)/3% (pillar hit 1)/2% (pillar hits 2-7)), and it is now considerably easier to SDI out of.}} | |||
**{{nerf|PK Fire deals less damage (4% ( | |||
*[[PK Thunder]]: | *[[PK Thunder]]: | ||
**{{buff|PK Thunder now auto-cancels once Ness enters free fall significantly reducing its landing lag.}} | |||
**{{buff|PK Thunder now auto-cancels once Ness enters free fall | |||
**{{buff|PK Thunder travels faster and deals 2% more damage (6% → 8%).}} | **{{buff|PK Thunder travels faster and deals 2% more damage (6% → 8%).}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness will no longer auto-snap the ledge when using PK Thunder near a ledge.}} | **{{nerf|Ness will no longer auto-snap the ledge when using PK Thunder near a ledge.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness will not auto-snap the ledge after PK Thunder despawns until he has performed an aerial somersault.}} | **{{nerf|Ness will not auto-snap the ledge after PK Thunder despawns until he has performed an aerial somersault.}} | ||
***{{nerf|Altogether, these changes make it much riskier to use PK Thunder near the ledge.}} | ***{{nerf|Altogether, these changes make it much riskier to use PK Thunder near the ledge.}} | ||
**{{buff|PK Thunder 2 has a longer duration (frames 1-18 → 1- | **{{buff|PK Thunder 2 has a longer duration (frames 1-18 → 1-32) and has increased intangibility (frames 1-9 → 1-10).}} | ||
**{{change|The crowd no longer gasps when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder.}} | **{{change|The crowd no longer gasps when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder.}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 travels a much shorter distance.}} | **{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 travels a much shorter distance.}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 deals less damage when hitting an opponent (30% → 25%) and knockback (40 (base), 84 (scaling) → 60/70) significantly hindering its KO potential.}} | **{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 deals less damage when hitting an opponent (30% → 25%) and knockback (40 (base), 84 (scaling) → 60/70) significantly hindering its KO potential.}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 now has a drastically weaker late hitbox | **{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 now has a drastically weaker late hitbox which deals less damage (30% → 20%) and knockback (40 (base), 84 (scaling) → 45/65).}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Thunder 2's clean hit has a shorter duration (frames 1-18 → 1-10).}} | **{{nerf|PK Thunder 2's clean hit has a shorter duration (frames 1-18 → 1-10).}} | ||
**{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 has much more ending lag (FAF | **{{nerf|PK Thunder 2 has much more ending lag (FAF 43 → 100 (ground)/70 (air)) especially if Ness ends PK Thunder 2 on the ground or if he lands while in the middle of the animation of PK Thunder 2 and before he transitions into free fall.}} | ||
*[[PSI Magnet]]: | *[[PSI Magnet]]: | ||
**{{buff|[[PSI Magnet]] has less startup lag (frame 15 → 10).}} | |||
**{{buff|PSI Magnet has less startup lag (frame 15 → | **{{change|The color of PSI Magnet is now blue instead of green.}} | ||
**{{change|The color of PSI Magnet is now blue instead of green.}} | **{{change|The crowd no longer cheers when Ness absorbs a projectile with PSI Magnet.}} | ||
**{{change|The crowd no longer cheers when Ness absorbs a projectile with PSI Magnet | |||
**{{nerf|PSI Magnet has 10 frames extra frames of ending lag when Ness drops the magnet.}} | **{{nerf|PSI Magnet has 10 frames extra frames of ending lag when Ness drops the magnet.}} | ||
**{{nerf|Ness can no longer auto-snap the ledge while using PSI Magnet.}} | **{{nerf|Ness can no longer auto-snap the ledge while using PSI Magnet.}} | ||
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|game=SSBM | |game=SSBM | ||
|neutralcount=3 | |neutralcount=3 | ||
|neutralname= | |neutralname= | ||
|neutral1dmg=3% | |neutral1dmg=3% | ||
|neutral2dmg=2% | |neutral2dmg=2% | ||
|neutral3dmg=4% | |neutral3dmg=4% | ||
|neutraldesc=Punches forward twice, then kicks. | |neutraldesc=Punches forward twice, then kicks. | ||
|ftiltname= | |ftiltname= | ||
|ftiltangles=3 | |ftiltangles=3 | ||
|ftiltupdmg=12% | |ftiltupdmg=12% | ||
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|ftiltdowndmg=10% | |ftiltdowndmg=10% | ||
|ftiltdesc=Does a roundhouse kick forward. Can be angled up or down. | |ftiltdesc=Does a roundhouse kick forward. Can be angled up or down. | ||
|utiltname= | |utiltname= | ||
|utiltdmg=7% | |utiltdmg=7% | ||
|utiltdesc=Thrusts both his hands upward. Ness's head is intangible during the early part of the animation. Can combo into itself and DJC'd up aerials. | |utiltdesc=Thrusts both his hands upward. Ness's head is intangible during the early part of the animation. Can combo into itself and DJC'd up aerials. | ||
|dtiltname= | |dtiltname= | ||
|dtiltdmg=3% | |dtiltdmg=3% | ||
|dtiltdesc=Thrusts his leg downward, then pivots his foot to hit the opponent. Can combo into itself by mashing the [[A button]] after the move is executed, and is an infinite against a wall. | |dtiltdesc=Thrusts his leg downward, then pivots his foot to hit the opponent. Can combo into itself by mashing the [[A button]] after the move is executed, and is an infinite against a wall. | ||
|dashname= | |dashname= | ||
|dashdmg=5% (hit 1), 4% (hits 2-3) (≈12.28% total) | |dashdmg=5% (hit 1), 4% (hits 2-3) (≈12.28% total) | ||
|dashdesc=Throws his hands forward, sending three sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Good, disjointed range. 1st hit powerfully semi-spikes opponents, 2nd hit does very weak vertical knockback and the last hit deals powerful vertical knockback. | |dashdesc=Throws his hands forward, sending three sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Good, disjointed range. 1st hit powerfully semi-spikes opponents, 2nd hit does very weak vertical knockback and the last hit deals powerful vertical knockback. | ||
|fsmashname= | |fsmashname= | ||
|fsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (body), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|20}} (bat base), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (bat mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|24}} (bat tip) | |fsmashdmg={{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|18}} (body), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|20}} (bat base), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|22}} (bat mid), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|24}} (bat tip) | ||
|fsmashdesc=Swings his bat forward. Has high knockback and damage at the tip of the bat, but has very weak knockback for a smash attack when untipped and has a little bit of start-up lag. | |fsmashdesc=Swings his bat forward. Has high knockback and damage at the tip of the bat, but has very weak knockback for a smash attack when untipped and has a little bit of start-up lag. The bat can [[reflect]] projectiles. | ||
|usmashname= | |usmashname= | ||
|usmashdmg=9% (startup), 4% (charging), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|6}} (attack) | |usmashdmg=9% (startup), 4% (charging), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|6}} (attack) | ||
|usmashdesc=Does a variation on the "around-the-world" yo-yo trick, swinging his yo-yo above his head. Has good range and speed. Used to perform the extremely powerful [[Yo-yo Glitch]], but | |usmashdesc=Does a variation on the "around-the-world" yo-yo trick, swinging his yo-yo above his head. Has good range and speed. Used to perform the extremely powerful [[Yo-yo Glitch]], but doesn't have any utility outside of it. Like his down smash, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponent is over 200%, and the swinging part even has almost non-existent knockback not K.O.ing until at least 500%. The attack has a hitbox while charging. | ||
|dsmashname= | |dsmashname= | ||
|dsmashdmg=11% (startup), 4% (charging), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|7}} (attack) | |dsmashdmg=11% (startup), 4% (charging), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|7}} (attack) | ||
|dsmashdesc=Sends his yo-yo backwards and "walks-the-dog" with it before pulling the yo-yo back. Has good range and speed, however, this attack is incapable of | |dsmashdesc=Sends his yo-yo backwards and "walks-the-dog" with it before pulling the yo-yo back. Has good range and speed, however, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponent is over 180%. More powerful than the up smash in terms of knockback, but still extremely weak. The attack has a hitbox while charging. The swinging part of the attack has barely any base knockback and can't K.O. until the 430% range. | ||
|nairname= | |nairname= | ||
|nairdmg=11% (clean), 8% (late) | |nairdmg=11% (clean), 8% (late) | ||
|nairdesc=Spins around, arms stretched out. Has good knockback and is very fast with high combo potential. Poor range. | |nairdesc=Spins around, arms stretched out. Has good knockback and is very fast with high combo potential. Poor range. | ||
|fairname= | |fairname= | ||
|fairdmg=3% (hits 1-4), 5% (hit 5) (≈15.74% total) | |fairdmg=3% (hits 1-4), 5% (hit 5) (≈15.74% total) | ||
|fairdesc=Throws both his hands forward, sending multiple sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Is a fast, multi-hitting move, with good range and high knockback on the last hit | |fairdesc=Throws both his hands forward, sending multiple sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Is a fast, multi-hitting move, with good range and high knockback on the last hit K.O.ing under 130% off-stage. Generally used as a [[spacing]] move and can chain into itself several times at low to high percents. | ||
|bairname= | |bairname= | ||
|bairdmg=16% (clean), 10% (late) | |bairdmg=16% (clean), 10% (late) | ||
|bairdesc=Thrusts both his feet backwards. If sweetspotted, it electrifies the opponent, dealing massive damage. Is fast with very high knockback albeit somewhat poor range. Can shield poke if | |bairdesc=Thrusts both his feet backwards. If sweetspotted, it electrifies the opponent, dealing massive damage. Is fast with very high knockback albeit somewhat poor range. Can shield poke if fastfall'd out of a DJC. The fourth most powerful back aerial in the game. | ||
|uairname= | |uairname= | ||
|uairdmg=13% | |uairdmg=13% | ||
|uairdesc=Headbutts upward. Has amazing juggling potential when DJC'd and a good KO move with very low lag, but poor range. Unlike in ''Smash 64'', Ness | |uairdesc=Headbutts upward. Has amazing juggling potential when DJC'd and a good KO move with very low lag, but poor range. Unlike in ''Smash 64'', Ness`s head is no longer intangible. | ||
|dairname= | |dairname= | ||
|dairdmg=12% | |dairdmg=12% | ||
|dairdesc=Pulls his legs to his body before stomping downwards. Is a [[meteor smash]], and has a decent amount of start-up lag. Great range, extremely high knockback at 0% (most powerful meteor smash at 0% in ''Melee''), but it also has very low knockback scaling, being unable to KO grounded opponents at even 200%, and is relatively easy to meteor cancel. It also has no IASA frames (being interrupted on the same frame as Mario's forward aerial, but Mario's seem slower compared to Ness's). | |dairdesc=Pulls his legs to his body before stomping downwards. Is a [[meteor smash]], and has a decent amount of start-up lag. Great range, extremely high knockback at 0% (most powerful meteor smash at 0% in ''Melee''), but it also has very low knockback scaling, being unable to KO grounded opponents at even 200%, and is relatively easy to meteor cancel. It also has no IASA frames (being interrupted on the same frame as Mario's forward aerial, but Mario's seem slower compared to Ness's). | ||
|grabname= | |grabname= | ||
|grabdesc= | |grabdesc= | ||
|pummelname= | |pummelname= | ||
|pummeldmg=3% | |pummeldmg=3% | ||
|pummeldesc=Headbutts the opponent. | |pummeldesc=Headbutts the opponent. | ||
|fthrowname= | |fthrowname= | ||
|fthrowdmg=11% | |fthrowdmg=11% | ||
|fthrowdesc=Psychically throws the opponent forward. Very strong base knockback, but very low knockback scaling. | |fthrowdesc=Psychically throws the opponent forward. Very strong base knockback, but very low knockback scaling. | ||
|bthrowname= | |bthrowname= | ||
|bthrowdmg=11% | |bthrowdmg=11% | ||
|bthrowdesc=Psychically throws the opponent behind him. Has extremely low base knockback but very high knockback scaling. This is Ness's strongest throw and the second strongest throw in the game (second to {{SSBM|Mewtwo}}'s up throw), KOing reliably at 130% and above. | |bthrowdesc=Psychically throws the opponent behind him. Has extremely low base knockback but very high knockback scaling. This is Ness's strongest throw and the second strongest throw in the game (second to {{SSBM|Mewtwo}}'s up throw), KOing reliably at 130% and above. | ||
|uthrowname= | |uthrowname= | ||
|uthrowdmg=10% | |uthrowdmg=10% | ||
|uthrowdesc=Psychically spins the opponent above his head and throws them upwards. Can chaingrab | |uthrowdesc=Psychically spins the opponent above his head and throws them upwards. Can chaingrab [[Fox]], [[Falco]] and [[Captain Falcon]] at low % and has a decent amount of followups. Good knockback. | ||
|dthrowname= | |dthrowname= | ||
|dthrowdmg=1% (hits 1-5), 4% (throw) | |dthrowdmg=1% (hits 1-5), 4% (throw) | ||
|dthrowdesc=Slams the opponent to the ground and hits them with fire. Low knockback but allows a decent amount of followups, including being able to lead into an up aerial to KO | |dthrowdesc=Slams the opponent to the ground and hits them with fire. Low knockback but allows a decent amount of followups, including being able to lead into an up aerial to KO. | ||
|floorfname= | |floorfname= | ||
|floorfdmg=6% | |floorfdmg=6% | ||
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|ssname=PK Fire | |ssname=PK Fire | ||
|ssdmg=2% (lightning), 3% (pillar hit 1), 2% (pillar hits 2-7) | |ssdmg=2% (lightning), 3% (pillar hit 1), 2% (pillar hits 2-7) | ||
|ssdesc=Fires a yellow, lightning-bolt shaped projectile that travels in a straight line until it hits an enemy or destructible portion of a stage, at which point it explodes into flames. The bolt has a [[hurtbox]], which is what activates the pillar upon contact; the surrounding [[hitbox]] deals 2% and little vertical knockback. The | |ssdesc=Fires a yellow, lightning-bolt shaped projectile that travels in a straight line until it hits an enemy or destructible portion of a stage, at which point it explodes into flames. The bolt has a [[hurtbox]], which is what activates the pillar upon contact; the surrounding [[hitbox]] deals 2% and little vertical knockback, although only rarely does it ever actually hit. The spawned pillar also has a hurtbox which slowly shrinks in size. | ||
|usname=PK Thunder | |usname=PK Thunder | ||
|usdmg=8% (thunder head), 1% (thunder tail), 25% (PK Thunder 2 clean), 20% (PK Thunder 2 late) | |usdmg=8% (thunder head), 1% (thunder tail), 25% (PK Thunder 2 clean), 20% (PK Thunder 2 late) | ||
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|dsdesc=Creates a blue energy field around him which allows him to absorb all energy-based projectiles. It can be held. | |dsdesc=Creates a blue energy field around him which allows him to absorb all energy-based projectiles. It can be held. | ||
}} | }} | ||
===[[Taunt]]=== | ===[[Taunt]]=== | ||
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|victory-theme=Ness Victory.ogg | |victory-theme=Ness Victory.ogg | ||
|victory-desc=An orchestrated version of the final four Soundstone Melodies from ''[[EarthBound (game)|EarthBound]]''. They also play in the game's credits, ''Smiles and Tears''. | |victory-desc=An orchestrated version of the final four Soundstone Melodies from ''[[EarthBound (game)|EarthBound]]''. They also play in the game's credits, ''Smiles and Tears''. | ||
|desc-1=Looks to the left and right of him, then places | |desc-1=Looks to the left and right of him, then places an arm on the back of his head in a bashful manner. | ||
|desc-2=Swings around his bat four times, then poses with it. | |desc-2=Swings around his bat four times, then poses with it. | ||
|desc-3=Jumps up and down twice, places arms on waist, and says "Okay!" | |desc-3=Jumps up and down twice, places arms on waist, and says "Okay!" | ||
|char=Ness}} | |char=Ness}} | ||
==In [[ | ==In [[Competitive play]]== | ||
=== | ===[[Character matchups (SSBM)|Matchups]]=== | ||
{{SSBMMatchupTable|ness=yes}} | |||
In the most recent revision of the character matchup chart, Ness has a very poor matchup spread. He only soft counters three characters and has only one even matchup, against {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, while he is soft countered by six, countered by nine, and hard countered by six. His poor KOing power, range, approach, and recovery are all exploitable, leading to problematic matchups against characters who can abuse these weaknesses. {{SSBM|Sheik}} can chaingrab him to KO percents and finish him off with edgeguarding, {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} can gimp Ness's recovery with low-risk aerials and easily carry him off-stage, and {{SSBM|Fox}} and {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}} simply run him over with their superior speed and offensive prowess. He only has favorable matchups against characters who have as poor range as he does or are too slow to take advantage of his lack of range. As a result of these shortcomings, Ness has one of the worst matchup spreads in all of ''Melee''. | |||
====Current metagame==== | |||
His matchups from the matchup chart remain more or less the same. Top and high-tier characters still give him significant problems, while Yoshi has developed vastly superior punish options to overwhelm Ness. As such, his already terrible matchups have arguably only worsened as metagame developments have progressed, while Ness’ metagame remains highly stagnant. | |||
:''See also: [[:Category:Ness | ===Notable players=== | ||
:''See also: [[:Category:Ness professionals (SSBM)]]'' | |||
*{{Sm|Simna ibn Sind|USA}} - | ====Active==== | ||
*{{Sm|Jim Jam Flim Flam|USA}} - Best Ness in Arizona. | |||
*{{Sm|Simna ibn Sind|USA}} - Placed 13th at [[EVO 2007]] and 17th at [[Super Champ Combo]]. Currently only attends [[EVO]] and [[GENESIS (tournament series)|GENESIS]], funded by his Twitch Livestream donations. Simna ibn Sind is also known to be the person who discovered the [[Thunder Jacket]]. | |||
====Inactive==== | |||
*{{Sm|Hungrybox|USA}} - One of the [[Five Gods]]. Uses Ness as a secondary and/or sandbagging character. Using Ness, Hungrybox has taken games off of [[The Moon]] at [[Shuffle V]] and took a set off of [[HugS]] at [[Smash the Record 2016]] and placed 9th. At [[Canada Cup 2016]], a gauntlet exhibition was held in which Hungrybox's Ness was pitted against several attendees. | |||
*{{Sm|Kalvar|USA}} - Uses Ness as a secondary. Has won tournaments in Massachusetts using Ness and Marth. | |||
*{{Sm|Mofo|USA}} - One of the most influential Ness mains known for discovering many [[glitch]]es such as the [[Star Jacket]], [[Spike Jacket]] and the [[yoyo stack glitch]]. Considered the best Ness in the world from 2009 to 2014 before retiring, has taken a set off {{Sm|Gravy}} and {{Sm|Captain Smuckers}}. | *{{Sm|Mofo|USA}} - One of the most influential Ness mains known for discovering many [[glitch]]es such as the [[Star Jacket]], [[Spike Jacket]] and the [[yoyo stack glitch]]. Considered the best Ness in the world from 2009 to 2014 before retiring, has taken a set off {{Sm|Gravy}} and {{Sm|Captain Smuckers}}. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Nessby|Japan}} - Best Ness in Japan prior to his retirement. | ||
*{{Sm|VRud|Canada}} - Best Ness in Canada before switching to {{SSBM|Falco}}. | |||
*{{Sm|Nihlus|USA}} - Best Ness main in Texas before retiring. | |||
===Tier placement and history=== | ===Tier placement and history=== | ||
Ness was initially viewed as low-mid tier character in the metagame, with a peak of 15th place on the second tier list. | Ness was initially viewed as low-mid tier character in the metagame, with a peak of 15th place on the second tier list. Following this, however, Ness's standing on the tier list constantly fell down to the lower tiers, with most players noticing that his [[nerf]]s from ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' severely impaired his KO power and his already poor linear, predictable recovery; this was especially noted in the earlier ''Smash 64'' metagame, as Ness was initially viewed as a top-tiered character. | ||
On the current tier list, Ness places at 23rd, in the | On the current tier list, Ness places at 23rd, in the F tier, and he is considered non-viable for tournament play. Dedicated Ness players are rare in the current metagame, with most Ness players often using him as a situational counterpick; {{Sm|Hungrybox}} only used Ness once in all of [[Apex 2013]], in an attempt to counter {{Sm|Armada}}'s {{SSBM|Young Link}}, and he mostly used {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} for the rest of the tournament. Other players of Ness are semi-active and generally do not place very well with him. | ||
==In 1-P Mode== | ==In [[Solo#1-P_Mode|1-P Mode]]== | ||
==={{SSBM|Classic Mode}}=== | ==={{SSBM|Classic Mode}}=== | ||
In Classic Mode, Ness can appear as an ordinary opponent, as an ally or opponent in the team battles, alongside {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, {{SSBM|Peach}}, or {{SSBM|Mewtwo}}, as a member of a multi-character battle, or as a metal opponent. In Ness's appearance, he appears on either [[Onett]] or [[Fourside]] (if unlocked) as a regular opponent and on {{SSBM|Battlefield}} as a metal opponent. When on a team with Yoshi, he appears on {{SSBM|Yoshi's Island}}. | In Classic Mode, Ness can appear as an ordinary opponent, as an ally or opponent in the team battles, alongside {{SSBM|Yoshi}}, {{SSBM|Peach}}, or {{SSBM|Mewtwo}}, as a member of a multi-character battle, or as a metal opponent. In Ness's appearance, he appears on either [[Onett]] or [[Fourside]] (if unlocked) as a regular opponent and on {{SSBM|Battlefield}} as a metal opponent. When on a team with Yoshi, he appears on {{SSBM|Yoshi's Island}}. | ||
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*'''[[Event 36: Space Travelers]]''': As Ness, the player must defeat {{SSBM|Samus}}, Kirby, {{SSBM|Fox}}, Captain Falcon, and {{SSBM|Falco}}. The player battles the first three characters on [[Fourside]] and battles the last two on {{SSBM|Battlefield}}. | *'''[[Event 36: Space Travelers]]''': As Ness, the player must defeat {{SSBM|Samus}}, Kirby, {{SSBM|Fox}}, Captain Falcon, and {{SSBM|Falco}}. The player battles the first three characters on [[Fourside]] and battles the last two on {{SSBM|Battlefield}}. | ||
=== | ===Ending images=== | ||
<center> | <center> | ||
<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
NessClassicMode.jpg|Classic Mode | File:NessClassicMode.jpg|Classic Mode | ||
NessAdventureMode.jpg|Adventure Mode | File:NessAdventureMode.jpg|Adventure Mode | ||
NessAllStarMode.jpg|All-Star Mode | File:NessAllStarMode.jpg|All-Star Mode | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
</center> | </center> | ||
== | ==Trophies== | ||
In addition to the normal trophy about Ness as a character, there are two trophies about him as a fighter, unlocked by completing both [[Adventure Mode|Adventure]] and [[All-Star]] modes respectively with Ness on any difficulty: | In addition to the normal trophy about Ness as a character, there are two trophies about him as a fighter, unlocked by completing both [[Adventure Mode|Adventure]] and [[All-Star]] modes respectively with Ness on any difficulty: | ||
:'''Ness''' | |||
:''Ness is a young boy who's mastered the psychic power known as PSI. Ness was living a normal life in the suburbs of Onett until a meteor crashed into a nearby mountain and sent him on a wild adventure. Believing in the ultimate powers of wisdom, courage, and friendship, Ness proves that some heroes come in small packages.'' | |||
:*EarthBound 06/95 | |||
:'''Ness''' [<span style="color:#FF0000">Smash</span>] | |||
:''The key to mastering Ness is controlling his unique midair jump, which makes up for what he lacks in speed. His PK Flash attack may seem weak at first glance, but it grows more powerful the longer you hold down the B Button. To do a lot of damage with PK Fire, try to burn your opponent as many times as possible.'' | |||
:*B: PK Flash | |||
:*Smash B: PK Fire | |||
:'''Ness''' [<span style="color:#0000FF">Smash</span>] | |||
:''Ness's mind is his best weapon. PK Thunder is a PSI missile weapon that can be guided using the Control Stick, and if Ness hits himself with it, he turns into a living missile capable of doing massive damage. This move can also be used for recovery. PSI Magnet turns energy missile attacks into health; try out certain Pokémon for stamina replenishment.'' | |||
:*Up & B: PK Thunder | |||
:*Down & B: PSI Magnet | |||
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| | <gallery> | ||
File:Ness Trophy Melee.png|Classic | |||
| | File:Ness Trophy (Smash).png|[<span style="color:#FF0000">Smash</span>] | ||
File:Ness Trophy (Smash) 2.png|[<span style="color:#0000FF">Smash</span>] | |||
| | </gallery> | ||
</center> | |||
==[[Alternate costume (SSBM)#Ness|Alternate costumes]]== | ==[[Alternate costume (SSBM)#Ness|Alternate costumes]]== | ||
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<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
SSBM Ness HQ.jpg|Official artwork of Ness | SSBM Ness HQ.jpg|Official artwork of Ness | ||
LuigiAdventureMode.jpg|Standing with {{SSBM|Donkey Kong}}, {{SSBM|Kirby}}, and {{SSBM|Luigi}} on [[Great Bay]] | |||
KirbyAdventureMode.jpg|Posing with Kirby on [[Temple]] | |||
FoxAdventureMode.jpg|[[Taunt]]ing with Kirby and Pikachu on Temple | |||
MewtwoAllStarMode.jpg|Using [[PSI Magnet]] near {{SSBM|Mewtwo}} on [[Final Destination]] | |||
LuigiAdventureMode.jpg|Standing with {{SSBM|Donkey Kong}}, {{SSBM|Kirby}}, and {{SSBM|Luigi}} on [[Great Bay]] | |||
KirbyAdventureMode.jpg|Posing with Kirby on [[Temple]] | |||
FoxAdventureMode.jpg|[[Taunt]]ing with Kirby and | |||
MewtwoAllStarMode.jpg|Using PSI Magnet near {{SSBM|Mewtwo}} on | |||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
</center> | </center> | ||
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[[File:SSBM-Nessyoyo.png|thumb|The yoyo's texture.]] | [[File:SSBM-Nessyoyo.png|thumb|The yoyo's texture.]] | ||
[[File:Elnessjabsmaller.gif|thumb|The "Electric Ness" glitch being performed.]] | [[File:Elnessjabsmaller.gif|thumb|The "Electric Ness" glitch being performed.]] | ||
*Ness is one of three characters whose neutral special changed during his jump to ''Melee'', the others being [[Link]] and [[Jigglypuff]]. In the original ''Super Smash Bros.'', his neutral special was PK Fire; from ''Melee'' onward, he now uses PK Flash. As with the other two, his original neutral special remains in the game, having been transferred to the newly added side special move slot. | *Ness is one of three characters whose neutral special changed during his jump to ''Melee'', the others being [[Link]] and [[Jigglypuff]]. In the original ''Super Smash Bros.'', his neutral special was PK Fire; from ''Melee'' onward, he now uses PK Flash. As with the other two, his original neutral special remains in the game, having been transferred to the newly added side special move slot. | ||
*If one looks closely at Ness's | *If one looks closely at Ness's Yoyo, he or she can see the words ''DOLPHIN LOOP'', with it being made by HALLAB NINTENDO in 2001 (''Melee''’s release year). Dolphin being a reference to the [[Gamecube]]'s codename, and the "makers" a reference to the developer and publisher of ''Melee'' respectively. His bat reads NETT SPORTS. | ||
*Hitting Ness as he's using [[PK Thunder]] can cause his body to constantly produce sparks afterward, though these sparks only provide a cosmetic effect. This glitch continues until he gets KOed, shields, or performs PK Thunder again. | *Hitting Ness as he's using [[PK Thunder]] can cause his body to constantly produce sparks afterward, though these sparks only provide a cosmetic effect. This glitch continues until he gets KOed, shields, or performs PK Thunder again. | ||
*Ness's [http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ness-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series amiibo description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on his trophy description from ''Melee''. | *Ness's [http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ness-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series amiibo description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on his trophy description from ''Melee''. | ||
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