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{{Infobox Character Mod | {{Infobox Character Mod | ||
|name = Ness | |name = Ness | ||
|image | |image = [[Image:Ness SSBB.jpg|250px]] | ||
|mod = Project M | |mod = Project M | ||
|base = | |base = ssbb | ||
|moveset1 = Ness (SSBM) | |moveset1 = Ness (SSBM) | ||
|moveset2 = Ness (SSB) | |moveset2 = Ness (SSB) | ||
|altcostume = [[wikibound::File:Ness pajamas sprite.png|Pajama Ness]] | |altcostume = [[wikibound::File:Ness pajamas sprite.png|Pajama Ness]] | ||
}} | }} | ||
'''Ness''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. His | '''Ness''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]'' and is ranked 19th out of 41 on the official ''Project M Tier List'', at the top of B tier. This is an improvement over his placements in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' where he was 23rd out of 26 and 26th out of 38, respectively. | ||
His placing on the tier list comes from having one of the best punishes in the game, as well as a solid neutral. However, he is held back due to a susceptibility to crouch canceling from most of his moves, being easily outranged by a lot of the cast, and a recovery which is generally easy to edgeguard despite sending him far. | |||
==Attributes== | ==Attributes== | ||
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Ness is a flexible character suiting both aggressive and zoning oriented playstyles. With | Ness is a flexible character suiting both aggressive and zoning oriented playstyles. With a very average weight and fall speed he is however vulnerable to many of the same combos as Mario. His aerial moves lead into each other well, giving him a strong combo game once he can get his opponent off the ground. | ||
Ness's smash attacks all have unusual properties. His forward smash can reflect projectiles if timed correctly, and deals extreme damage and knockback if the sweetspot near the tip of the bat is hit, similar to {{PM|Marth}}'s Sword. It can be angled up or down by a few degrees if the control stick is tilted during startup. The down angled forward smash is especially useful for intercepting opponents attempting to sweetspot the ledge. | Ness's smash attacks all have unusual properties. His forward smash can reflect projectiles if timed correctly, and deals extreme damage and knockback if the sweetspot near the tip of the bat is hit, similar to {{PM|Marth}}'s Sword. It can be angled up or down by a few degrees if the control stick is tilted during startup. The down angled forward smash is especially useful for intercepting opponents attempting to sweetspot the ledge. | ||
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Down tilt is fast and combos into itself if the opponent does not smash DI. Against experienced opponents only a few hits are possible to land, but the move retains usefulness in that it can be used to mix up timing before using a different move. | Down tilt is fast and combos into itself if the opponent does not smash DI. Against experienced opponents only a few hits are possible to land, but the move retains usefulness in that it can be used to mix up timing before using a different move. | ||
Up tilt is useful for | Up tilt is useful for it's high base knockback at low percents. A very useful for move putting the opponent above you, for aerial followups, it does however lose out to double jump cancelled up air for sheer utility in many situations. | ||
Ness's aerial moves have a mix of their properties from [[Super Smash Bros.]] and ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''. | Ness's aerial moves have a mix of their properties from [[Super Smash Bros.]] and ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''. | ||
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His up aerial is a juggling move at lower percentages, and makes a great combo finisher for K.O.ing foes above the upper [[blast line]] at higher percentages. This is often possible after landing a down air on a grounded opponent at high percentages, due to the high hitstun of an opponent bounced off the ground. | His up aerial is a juggling move at lower percentages, and makes a great combo finisher for K.O.ing foes above the upper [[blast line]] at higher percentages. This is often possible after landing a down air on a grounded opponent at high percentages, due to the high hitstun of an opponent bounced off the ground. | ||
Ness's down aerial now functions similarly to how it did in ''Super Smash Bros.'' The move is a powerful, quick, and easy to sweetspot meteor smash, making it effective for edgeguarding opponents. In addition it has great utility out of shield and | Ness's down aerial now functions similarly to how it did in ''Super Smash Bros.'' The move is a powerful, quick, and easy to sweetspot meteor smash, making it effective for edgeguarding opponents. In addition it has great utility out of shield and pressuring a shielding opponent. If two players are shielding back to back, Ness can jump and use down air to cover his escape upwards or pressure his opponents shield. Ness can also use it to challenge some opponents attempting to juggle while trying to make it back to the ground. | ||
Ness's ability to [[double jump cancel]] advances his already potent air game by giving him even more combo options and allowing him to do multiple aerials in quick succession close to the ground. | Ness's ability to [[double jump cancel]] advances his already potent air game by giving him even more combo options and allowing him to do multiple aerials in quick succession close to the ground. | ||
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Ness's specials are vastly improved from their other iterations. | Ness's specials are vastly improved from their other iterations. | ||
[[PK Fire]] is Ness's primary offensive projectile allowing him to control space and prevent opponents from approaching recklessly. Ness fires it horizontally when grounded, and downward diagonally when in the air. Upon hitting | [[PK Fire]] is Ness's primary offensive projectile allowing him to control space and prevent opponents from approaching recklessly. Ness fires it horizontally when grounded, and downward diagonally when in the air. Upon hitting a opponent, projectile or destructible object the projectile ignites, doing one strong hit, followed by successive weak hits, holding a engulfed opponent in place forcing them to smash DI to avoid Ness's followups. Ness maintains momentum after using PK Fire in the air, making the move useful for protection when landing. | ||
[[PSI Magnet]] inflicts damage and Ness can jump out of it, giving the move a pseudo-[[waveshine]] capability | [[PSI Magnet]] inflicts damage and Ness can jump out of it, giving the move a pseudo-[[waveshine]] capability and greatly advancing his combo game. | ||
[[PK Flash]] does not travel as high and has a much faster but still very slow startup, but it travels very quickly if Ness sends it forward. Fully charged it covers a very large area and launches very powerfully upwards. Though difficult to time, it can cover the ledge while an opponent is trying to recover and force opponents to recover low or air stall. It is a very large commitment as the long cool down prevents Ness from moving in time to attempt another edgeguard, even if | [[PK Flash]] does not travel as high and has a much faster but still very slow startup, but it travels very quickly if Ness sends it forward. Fully charged it covers a very large area and launches very powerfully upwards. Though difficult to time, it can cover the ledge while an opponent is trying to recover and force opponents to recover low or air stall. It is a very large commitment as the long cool down prevents Ness from moving in time to attempt another edgeguard, even if the flash forces the opponent to recover very low and the opponent has a slow recovery. It regardless remains an effective finisher or edgeguarding move in certain matchups. | ||
Ness's up special [[PK Thunder]], has two phases. The first phase, is much more useful than in previous games. It has a hitbox on | Ness's up special [[PK Thunder]], has two phases. The first phase, is much more useful than in previous games. It has a hitbox on it's tail allowing it too hold an opponent who doesn't approach it carefully in place. Making it much more difficult to intercept Ness during the start up of his recovery. The angle of collision determines the angle at which Ness is launched.PK Thunder can also be used as an offensive projectile to juggle or KO airborne opponents or knock grounded opponents closer to Ness. Characters with slow recoveries are alse vulnerable to it while trying to recover. It does competes with PK Flash in this utility though. The second phase in which Ness's movement takes place occurs if Ness directs his thunder into himself. [[PK Thunder 2]] deals massive damage and knockback and sends Ness a very far distance, at the cost of being easy to gimp, relatively hard to control, and having a huge amount of ending lag. The ending lag can be mitigated by sweetspotting the ledge with PK Thunder 2, however this can be difficult, and does not help the fact that projectiles that are not [[transcendent]] can destroy the PK Thunder and leave Ness [[helpless]]. PK Thunder can also be used as an offensive projectile to juggle or KO airborne opponents or knock grounded opponents closer to Ness. | ||
Ness's grab game is generally effective. His back throw is a very reliable K.O.ing move at higher percents. Ness's forward throw has very low knockback scaling, giving it a decent launch power even at 0 setting up for very early edgeguarding. Up and down throws both can be used as combo starters, sending opponents into the air and setting up for an aerial attack depending on the weight, | Ness's grab game is generally effective. His back throw is a very reliable K.O.ing move at higher percents. Ness's forward throw has very low knockback scaling, giving it a decent launch power even at 0 setting up for very early edgeguarding. Up and down throws both can be used as combo starters, sending opponents into the air and setting up for an aerial attack depending on the weight, percentage, and fall speed of the opponent. Ness's grab range is very short limiting the usefulness of his standing grab. | ||
Ness's recovery, despite | Ness's recovery, despite it's length, has significant weakness as it can be intercepted before and after initiation. Additionally, his relatively floaty falling speed makes him vulnerable to many vertical finishers (i.e. {{PM|Fox}}'s up air) and gives him some difficulty getting back to the stage. Ness does poorly against characters with larger disjoints than he has, and are good at edgeguarding. Marth and {{PM|Ivysaur}} are notable examples. Characters with fast, solid projectiles like {{PM|Sheik}} can make it very difficult for him to recover low because of the long start up time of his recovery, or by preventing any recovery at all by simply sniping the thunder. He also has limited options for dealing with pressure giving him weaknesses against aggressive playstyles with fast characters. Ness tends to have favorable match ups against heavy, larger, slower characters due to the extensive length of the combos he can pull off on them, and the strength of his zoning tools. | ||
==Changes from ''Melee'' to ''PM''== | ==Changes from ''Melee'' to ''PM''== | ||
Ness received many considerable buffs from ''Melee'' to ''Project M'', having many more options for racking up damage and KOing. | Ness received many considerable buffs from ''Melee'' to ''Project M'', having many more options for racking up damage and KOing. | ||
[[File:NessDairPM.jpg|thumb|200px|Ness's down aerial in ''Project M''.]] | [[File:NessDairPM.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Ness's down aerial in ''Project M''.]] | ||
===Aesthetics=== | ===Aesthetics=== | ||
*{{change|Forward smash's sourspot produces the "wooden bat" SFX from ''Brawl'', while the sweetspot displays a [[ping]] sound like in ''Melee'' and ''Smash 64''.}} | *{{change|Forward smash's sourspot produces the "wooden bat" SFX from ''Brawl'', while the sweetspot displays a [[ping]] sound like in ''Melee'' and ''Smash 64''.}} | ||
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*{{buff|Ness retains his double jump cancel ability, though it is now optional; just pressing and then releasing the jump button when attacking will cause him to DJC, while holding the jump button causes him to perform a rising aerial, just like characters who cannot use this technique. Special moves will always DJC.}} | *{{buff|Ness retains his double jump cancel ability, though it is now optional; just pressing and then releasing the jump button when attacking will cause him to DJC, while holding the jump button causes him to perform a rising aerial, just like characters who cannot use this technique. Special moves will always DJC.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Midair jump]] speed increased.}} | *{{buff|[[Midair jump]] speed increased.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ness's additional lag from a grounded grab release has been removed.}} | |||
===Ground Attacks=== | ===Ground Attacks=== | ||
*{{buff|[[Forward smash]] has slightly more range and is much more powerful (went from on par with Mario's when tipped to being slightly stronger than Captain Falcon's forward smash).}} | *{{buff|[[Forward smash]] has slightly more range and is much more powerful (went from on par with Mario's when tipped to being slightly stronger than Captain Falcon's forward smash).}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Up smash]] is much faster and deals better damage and knockback, being more reliable at juggling and KOing.}} | *{{buff|[[Up smash]] is much faster and deals better damage and knockback, being more reliable at juggling and KOing.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Down smash]] covers more distance and also deals higher damage and knockback, serving as a powerful on-stage [[edge-guarding]] tool.}} | *{{buff|[[Down smash]] covers more distance and also deals higher damage and knockback, serving as a powerful on-stage [[edge-guarding]] tool.}} | ||
*{{buff|Both up and down smashes can now be held even when near an edge.}} | *{{buff|Both up and down smashes can now be held even when near an edge.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Down tilt]] now sends opponents at a more vertical angle, making it able to combo into other moves at higher percentages.}} | |||
*{{nerf|Due to an increased base knockback, down tilt can no longer [[infinite]].}} | |||
*{{bugfix|[[Yo-yo glitch|Yoyo/Jacket glitch]] has been fixed.}} | *{{bugfix|[[Yo-yo glitch|Yoyo/Jacket glitch]] has been fixed.}} | ||
===Aerial Attacks=== | ===Aerial Attacks=== | ||
*{{buff|Neutral aerial | *{{buff|Neutral aerial initiates slightly faster.}} | ||
*{{buff|Up aerial and the sweetspot of back aerial were given more KO power.}} | |||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] reverted to ''Smash 64'' speed, which almost removes its [[startup]] lag entirely. It also has much higher knockback scaling and deals 2% more damage.}} | |||
*{{buff|Up aerial | |||
*{{buff|[[Down aerial]] | |||
===Grabs and Throws=== | ===Grabs and Throws=== | ||
*{{buff|Dash [[grab]] range from ''Melee'' increased.}} | *{{buff|Dash [[grab]] range from ''Melee'' increased.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[Back throw]] | *{{buff|[[Back throw]] is slightly stronger from ''Melee''.}} | ||
===Special Moves=== | ===Special Moves=== | ||
*{{buff|[[PK Flash]] moves farther horizontally and is faster, greatly improving its use as an [[edgeguard]]ing move. It also no longer enforces [[helplessness]] | *{{buff|[[PK Flash]] moves farther horizontally and is faster, greatly improving its use as an [[edgeguard]]ing move. It also no longer enforces [[helplessness]].}} | ||
*{{buff|[[PK Fire]]'s flame effect has the same power as in ''Brawl''. Ness also keeps his forward momentum when using it in midair. The move can additionally "[[Fobble]]": the knockback of other hitboxes that hit within a 3 frame window of one of the [[PK Fire]]'s repeating hitboxes gets completely canceled due to [[Project M]]'s new knockback engine, allowing the player to rack up deadly amounts of damage.}} | *{{buff|[[PK Fire]]'s flame effect has the same power as in ''Brawl''. Ness also keeps his forward momentum when using it in midair. The move can additionally "[[Fobble]]": the knockback of other hitboxes that hit within a 3 frame window of one of the [[PK Fire]]'s repeating hitboxes gets completely canceled due to [[Project M]]'s new knockback engine, allowing the player to rack up deadly amounts of damage.}} | ||
**{{nerf|The pillar has been reduced from being active for 100 frames to being active for 45 frames.}} | **{{nerf|The pillar has been reduced from being active for 100 frames to being active for 45 frames.}} | ||
*{{buff|[[PK Thunder 2]] travels farther and keeps its hitbox throughout the move.}} | *{{buff|[[PK Thunder 2]] travels farther and keeps its hitbox throughout the move.}} | ||
*{{buff|Ness can jump out of [[PSI Magnet]] (like how the [[space animal]]s can jump out of their [[Reflector]]s), and the move additionally deals consecutive damage, with a strong initial hit that sends foes above Ness and link into aerial attacks. When absorbing a projectile, he can also cancel the move to go into the ending animation afterwards, preventing rapid-fire projectiles such as Fox's [[Blaster]] from trapping him into the move indefinitely.}} | *{{buff|Ness can jump out of [[PSI Magnet]] (like how the [[space animal]]s can jump out of their [[Reflector]]s), and the move additionally deals consecutive damage, with a strong initial hit that sends foes above Ness and link into aerial attacks. When absorbing a projectile, he can also cancel the move to go into the ending animation afterwards, preventing rapid-fire projectiles such as Fox's [[Blaster]] from trapping him into the move indefinitely.}} | ||
*{{nerf|PK Flash, though retaining its powerful knockback, is smaller and deals much less damage.}} | |||
[[File:Pajama_Ness.png|thumbnail|Ness' alternate costume.]] | |||
==Revisions== | ==Revisions== | ||
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==In [[competitive play]]== | ==In [[competitive play]]== | ||
===Notable players=== | ===Notable players=== | ||
{{ | *{{Sm|Aki|USA}}-Best Ness in the Northwest, ranked 1st on the Washington Power Rankings for Project M and placed 7th at [[Smash 'N' Splash 2]], notably beating {{Sm|MrLz}}. | ||
*{{Sm|Boiko|USA}}-Ranked 7th on the NY/NJ Project M Power Rankings. Placed 3rd at [[Clutch City Clash]]. Switched to mostly {{PM|Meta Knight}}. | |||
*{{Sm|Delicious Octorok|USA}}-Placed 5th at [[Smash 'N' Splash]]. | |||
*{{Sm|Kumatora|USA}}-Ranked 5th on the Massachusetts Power Rankings. placed 9th at [[Blacklisted 3]] after defeating {{Sm|Kipcom}} and {{Sm|Marshall}}. | |||
*{{Sm|Jose V|USA}}-The best Ness player in the world; placed 5th at [[The Big Balc]], 5th at [[EVO 2016]], and 7th at [[Olympus]]. | |||
*{{Sm|Reslived|USA}}- Formerly ranked as high as 5th on the MD/VA Project M Power Rankings. Placed 7th at [[Shots Fired 2]], 9th at [[EVO 2016]], 9th at [[Super Smash Con 2016]], and 9th at [[Rewired 2016]]. | |||
*{{Sm|StereoKiDD|USA}}-Best Ness in the Northeast, ranked 3rd on the [[NY/NJ Project M Power Rankings]]; placed 7th at [[Paragon Los Angeles 2015]], 7th at [[FinalBOSS]], and 9th at [[The Big Balc]]. | |||
*{{Sm|Ryzuul|Australia}}-The best Ness in Australia and currently the best player in Australia. Placed 1st at [[Battle Arena Melbourne 9]]. | |||
*{{Sm| | ===Inactive Players=== | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Awestin|USA}}-One of the best Ness players in the world before he retired from Project M to pursue Smash 4. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Jim Jam Flim Flam|USA}} | ||
*{{Sm|Tetraflora|USA}}-Formerly ranked 4th on the Michigan Project M Power Rankings. Mostly plays Kirby at this point. | |||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|The_NZA|USA}}-Texas Ness player. | ||
*{{Sm| | *{{Sm|Zeej|USA}}-Oklahoma Ness player. | ||
==Alternate costumes== | ==Alternate costumes== | ||
Ness' alternate costume is his blue-striped pajamas he wears in the beginning of ''EarthBound'' and while in [[Magicant]] in the international releases of ''EarthBound''. | Ness' alternate costume is his blue-striped pajamas he wears in the beginning of ''EarthBound'' and while in [[Magicant]] in the international releases of ''EarthBound''. | ||
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|colspan=8|[[ | |colspan=8|[[Image:Ness Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ness's alternate costumes in PM]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadWhiteSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadYellowSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadGreenSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadBlueSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadPurpleSSBB.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadPurplePM.png]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|colspan=2| | |colspan=2| | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadPajamaPM.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadPajamaRedPM.png]] | ||
|colspan=1|[[ | |colspan=1|[[Image:NessHeadPajamaGreenPM.png]] | ||
|colspan=2| | |colspan=2| | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
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**If Ness gained a [[Smash Ball]] while in any of his pajama costumes, there will appear to be an eerie dark area over his eyes. This has been fixed in the 3.6 update. | **If Ness gained a [[Smash Ball]] while in any of his pajama costumes, there will appear to be an eerie dark area over his eyes. This has been fixed in the 3.6 update. | ||
**This issue also happened when Ness performs his Smash Taunt, even if it is not in his alternate costumes. This glitch still exists, but there are [http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=208446 unofficial patches] that exist to address this problem. | **This issue also happened when Ness performs his Smash Taunt, even if it is not in his alternate costumes. This glitch still exists, but there are [http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=208446 unofficial patches] that exist to address this problem. | ||
*While in his pajamas costume, Ness wields the {{s|wikibound|Cracked bat}}, the first bat he received in '' | *While in his pajamas costume, Ness wields the {{s|wikibound|Cracked bat}}, the first bat he received in ''[[EarthBound]]'' as a gift from his sister. | ||
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