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August 13, 2015
Removed protection from "Marth (SSB4)"
mProtected "Marth (SSB4)": Counter-productive edit warring: please discuss all changes on the talk page for the time being ([Edit=Allow only administrators] (expires 02:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)) [Move=Allow only administrators] (expires 02:32, 21 Augus
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→Changes from Brawl: this is neutral as is, please stop changing it
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→Attributes: Okay, this part did not need to be changed.
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Undid edit by Miles of SmashWiki: Top 8 is when things start to matter. Top 32 is simply making it out of pools and you should also note those 2 used other characters. -Brian
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Undid edit by 64.2.3.194: there were 2 in top 32 at SSC. please take your personal opinions elsewhere.
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You can change this when Marth wins a tournament. Or when a solo Marth main places top 8 at a national. Then you can objectively call him viable and prove his playerbase has results. As of now though, no Marth main is actually good.
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tone fixes, attempts at balancing and re-adding content that was inexplicably removed
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Like other character's format on changes.
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Don't like the style on the sentence structure on Iai Counter. Shadow. Not to mention, the overuse of "and."
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August 12, 2015
August 11, 2015
I know it's you Brian. I get that reason why you think Marth is bad and you're trying to establish facts. However, i'm in a tether totter about what are good subjective examples are in his or your view.
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It's me Brian if you haven't noticed.I added established facts, not my opinions. A frame trap is a form of shield pressure. You don't shield pressure with CS. It's not worth discussing with Miles who can't properly define subjective.
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Taken from http://smashboards.com/threads/how-do-customs-help-marth.410276/ I meant punish opponent's ad. Doesn't has to be direct follow ups at high percent. In fact it requires baiting opponent's mistake.
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Undid edit by 64.2.3.194: First, bring that shit to the talk page if you have problems with Miles views on subjective words. Second, I'm still try to find whether Fthrow to CS is true at high percent.
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You don't know shit. Do you know how to edgeguard someone who always goes to the ledge? Free stock. Do you even know what a frame trap is? An escapable move out of a throw isn't a frame trap. I'm sorry you can't accept a character being bad.
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I haven't find exact high percentage yet for CS follow up to stop working. So far, I heard that it works from 0% to high percent.
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Almost forgot. You can follow up from low percentage to high percent. At high percent, you''ll need to dash after them to hit. At even higher percents, it's not guaranteed, but you can dash forward, bait an airdodge, and then CS (50% chance it can hit).
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Undid edit by 64.2.3.194: subjective
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→Update History
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Created technical changelist. Someone who knows Dancing Blade old input window duration and new input window duration should add it. Question for Marth mains: Can you still get punished if you land forward aerial on shield?
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So how is it not fact that Marth's recovery is linear? How is it not a fact that I see ZERO MARTH MAINS placing top 8? Miles, your definition of "subjective" is fucked up. I'm the only one here who understands this character at a high level.
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→Attributes: wording was mostly fine, just grammar touch-ups
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→Attributes
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Just added customs on his attributes. I'm not that good on editing attributes, make it more neutral, so someone need to correct it.
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Really Miles?
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Undid edit by 1337 B33FC4K3: subjective
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Fixed the facts and improved the flow and syntax. The playerbase of Smash 4 Marth is not notable in any way. I haven't seen anyone with my level of neutral game knowledge attempt to revolutionize this character.
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August 10, 2015
→Moveset: 65% way underestimates its power...
→Changes from Brawl: "aside from" doesn't fit the context of the sentence.
Edgeguarding is a process of covering options. Marth's laggy aerials don't cover many options. Marth can kill you if you recover like an idiot, but cmon you don't have to be one. You should watch the way pros recover against Marth. They never get hit.
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→Attributes: absolutely none of this is remotely acceptable
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The first proper attributes summary is here.
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→Changes from Brawl: let's try this
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→Changes from Brawl: trying to fix wording to be less...dismissive? and cutting out some too-specific stuff from patch update paragraph
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→Attributes: total rewrite, trying to keep the existing (non-duplicate) info and remain unbiased while not playing anything down (and hopefully nothing's outright wrong)
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I'm temporarily reverting back to the original version so I can do the best job of re-writing it
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Undid edit by 64.2.3.194: drop your vendetta, dude
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