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==Overview== | ==Overview== | ||
Joker's forward tilt is a very powerful, two hit spacing tool. It has extremely long range, most notably outranging | Joker's forward tilt is a very powerful, two hit spacing tool. It has extremely long range, most notably outranging Lucina's [[forward tilt]]. Given it's also Frame 8, it can be used in neutral against rash approaches to force the opponent to rethink their options. Forward tilt can be angled as well, allowing for a high degree of flexibility in its uses (such as the upward angle beating numerous short hop approaches). Given this uses Joker's knife, the disjoint is extremely large as well. As a result of all this, forward tilt is often used defensively. | ||
With Arsene active, forward tilt gains a larger disjoint along with a slightly lingering hitbox, improving its utility when it comes to stopping approaches. It also becomes slightly stronger, with +15 | With Arsene active, forward tilt gains a larger disjoint along with a slightly lingering hitbox, improving its utility when it comes to stopping approaches. It also becomes slightly stronger, with +15 Base Knockback and +1 Knockback Growth. Given the base knockback gets the highest increase, this means that the move will send opponents further away at lower percentages, allowing it to further be used as a defensive option. In addition, there is a shieldstun multiplier of 2 applied to the second hit, improving its safety on shield slightly. Given the way Arsene works, if Joker hits on Frame 19, Arsene will connect on Frame 20, effectively giving the hitboxes a slight extension. | ||
Curiously, all of forward tilt's angles have different knockback stats. Angled up has a substantial increase (+15 - +18) compared to the other two, with an angle of 45 instead of 35. As a result, it is most optimal to angle forward tilt upwards when it comes to going for the KO; especially with Arsene. Downward angled forward tilt also has a knockback angle of 25, which is a solid semi-spike angle for [[gimping]]. | |||
==Hitboxes== | ==Hitboxes== | ||
===Angled up=== | ===Angled up=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 1|42}} | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 1|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=1 | |id=1 | ||
|damage=3 | |damage=3 | ||
|angle=180 | |angle=180 | ||
|bk=0 | |bk=0 | ||
|ks=100 | |ks=100 | ||
|fkv=10 | |fkv=10 | ||
|r=2.5 | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
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|ypos=4.0 | |ypos=4.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=2 | |id=2 | ||
|damage=3 | |damage=3 | ||
|angle=35 | |angle=35 | ||
|bk=0 | |bk=0 | ||
|ks=100 | |ks=100 | ||
|fkv= | |fkv=20 | ||
|r=2.5 | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=-3 | |ypos=-3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2|42}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=2 | |id=2 | ||
|damage=5 | |damage=5 | ||
|angle=45 | |angle=45 | ||
|bk=45 | |bk=45 | ||
|ks=128 | |ks=128 | ||
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|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=-3 | |ypos=-3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | |} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit | |||
===Angled forwards=== | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 1|42}} | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=1 | ||
| | |damage=3 | ||
| | |angle=93 | ||
| | |bk=0 | ||
|bk= | |ks=100 | ||
|ks= | |fkv=20 | ||
|fkv= | |r=2.5 | ||
|r= | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |||
|ypos=4.0 | |||
|zpos=0.0 | |||
|ff=0 | |||
|type=Sword | |||
|effect=Slash | |||
|sfx=Slash | |||
|slvl=M | |||
}} | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | |||
|id=2 | |||
|damage=3 | |||
|angle=40 | |||
|bk=0 | |||
|ks=100 | |||
|fkv=20 | |||
|r=2.5 | |||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=3. | |ypos=-3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id= | |id=2 | ||
|damage=5 | |||
|damage=5 | |angle=35 | ||
|angle= | |bk=45 | ||
|ks=110 | |||
|bk= | |||
|ks= | |||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r= | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=3. | |ypos=3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type= | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx= | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl= | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Angled | ===Angled downwards=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 1|42}} | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 1|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=1 | |id=1 | ||
|damage=3 | |damage=3 | ||
|angle=93 | |angle=93 | ||
|bk=0 | |bk=0 | ||
|ks=100 | |ks=100 | ||
|fkv= | |fkv=10 | ||
|r=2.5 | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
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|ypos=4.0 | |ypos=4.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=2 | |id=2 | ||
|damage=3 | |damage=3 | ||
|angle=40 | |angle=40 | ||
|bk=0 | |bk=0 | ||
|ks=100 | |ks=100 | ||
|fkv=20 | |fkv=20 | ||
|r=2.5 | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=-3 | |ypos=-3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2|42}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=2 | |id=2 | ||
|damage=5 | |damage=5 | ||
|angle= | |angle=25 | ||
|bk=45 | |bk=45 | ||
|ks= | |ks=105 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r=2.5 | |r=2.5 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos= | |ypos=3.0 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff= | |ff=0 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | |} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 | |||
==Arsene + Awakened Joker Hitboxes== | |||
While Arsene is active, two hitboxes get added onto Joker's forward tilt. These take up Hitbox ID positions 0 (Arsene's hit) and 1 (Awakened Joker's hit) on Hit 2. These are posted in the order given in Ruben's Data Viewer<ref>https://rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/Character/Joker</ref>. Arsene is coded to hit the frame after Hit 2 connects. | |||
===Angled upwards=== | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Awakened Joker|42}} | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=1 | |id=1 | ||
|damage=5 | |damage=5 | ||
|angle= | |angle=45 | ||
|bk=60 | |bk=60 | ||
|ks= | |ks=121 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r=4.0 | |r=4.0 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos= | |ypos=3.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1.7 | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Arsene|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=5 | |||
|damage=5 | |angle=45 | ||
|angle= | |||
|bk=60 | |bk=60 | ||
|ks= | |ks=121 | ||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r=4.0 | |r=4.0 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos= | |ypos=3.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1.7 | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type=Explosive | |type=Explosive | ||
|effect= | |effect=Flame | ||
|sfx=Fire | |sfx=Fire | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
===Angled | ===Angled forward=== | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | {{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Awakened Joker|42}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=1 | |id=1 | ||
|damage= | |damage=5 | ||
|angle= | |angle=35 | ||
|bk=60 | |||
|bk= | |ks=106 | ||
|ks= | |fkv=0 | ||
|fkv= | |r=4.0 | ||
|r= | |||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos= | |ypos=0.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1. | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Arsene|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id= | |id=0 | ||
|damage=5 | |||
|angle=35 | |||
|bk=60 | |||
|ks=106 | |||
|damage=5 | |||
|angle= | |||
|bk= | |||
|ks= | |||
|fkv=0 | |fkv=0 | ||
|r= | |r=4.0 | ||
|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos= | |ypos=0.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1. | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type= | |type=Explosive | ||
|effect= | |effect=Flame | ||
|sfx= | |sfx=Fire | ||
|slvl= | |slvl=L | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | |} | ||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 | |||
===Angled downwards=== | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableHeader}} | |||
{{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Awakened Joker|42}} | |||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=1 | |id=1 | ||
|damage=5 | |damage=5 | ||
|angle=25 | |angle=25 | ||
|bk=60 | |bk=60 | ||
|ks=106 | |ks=106 | ||
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|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=0 | |ypos=0.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1.7 | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type=Sword | |type=Sword | ||
|effect= | |effect=Slash | ||
|sfx=Slash | |sfx=Slash | ||
|slvl=M | |slvl=M | ||
}} | }} | ||
| | {{HitboxTableTitle|Hit 2 Arsene|42}} | ||
{{UltimateHitboxTableRow | {{UltimateHitboxTableRow | ||
|id=0 | |id=0 | ||
|damage=5 | |||
|damage=5 | |||
|angle=25 | |angle=25 | ||
|bk=60 | |bk=60 | ||
|ks=106 | |ks=106 | ||
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|bn=knife | |bn=knife | ||
|xpos=0.0 | |xpos=0.0 | ||
|ypos=0 | |ypos=0.5 | ||
|zpos=0.0 | |zpos=0.0 | ||
|ff=1.7 | |ff=1.7 | ||
|type=Explosive | |type=Explosive | ||
|effect= | |effect=Flame | ||
|sfx=Fire | |sfx=Fire | ||
|slvl=L | |slvl=L | ||
}} | }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Timing== | ==Timing== | ||
===Normal Joker=== | |||
{|class="wikitable" | {|class="wikitable" | ||
! | !Hitboxes | ||
|8-9 | |8-9, 13-15 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Interruptible | ||
| | |35 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | !Animation length | ||
|13-19 | |34 | ||
|} | |||
{{FrameStripStart}} | |||
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=7}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=19}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=1}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | |||
===Arsene active=== | |||
Note that Arsene himself will hit on the next frame after an opponent is hit. As a result, it is possible for him to hit on Frame 20. If he leaves during the attack, '''the hit will still occur'''. | |||
{|class="wikitable" | |||
!Hitboxes | |||
|8-9, 13-19 | |||
|- | |- | ||
!Interruptible | !Interruptible | ||
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|- | |- | ||
!Animation length | !Animation length | ||
| | |34 | ||
|} | |} | ||
{{FrameStripStart}} | {{FrameStripStart}} | ||
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=7}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=3}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=7}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=15}}{{FrameStrip|t=Interruptible|c=1}} | |||
{{FrameStripEnd}} | {{FrameStripEnd}} | ||
{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|interruptible=y}} | {{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y|earliestcontinuable=y|interruptible=y}} | ||
{{MvSubNavJoker|g=SSBU}} | {{MvSubNavJoker|g=SSBU}} | ||
[[Category:Joker (SSBU)]] | [[Category:Joker (SSBU)]] | ||
[[Category:Forward tilts (SSBU)]] | [[Category:Forward tilts (SSBU)]] |