Editing Ivysaur (PM)

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'''Ivysaur''' is a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. Like {{PM|Charizard}} and {{PM|Squirtle}}, it has been separated from the {{SSBB|Pokémon Trainer}} and so fights alone. Its [[down special move]], [[Pokémon change]], has been replaced with {{s|bulbapedia|Seed Bomb}} and it has also been given significant buffs.  

 

Ivysaur ranks 28th out of 41 on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], toward the midst of the C tier, roughly the same placement as Pokémon Trainer in ''Brawl''. However, as Ivysaur was considered one of the worst characters in the game as a standalone fighter in ''Brawl'', this is a significant increase in its viability. In the official ''[[Project+]]'' tier list, it is ranked 28th out of 42 characters, landing in the bottom of A tier, once again roughly similar to Pokemon Trainer's placement in ''Brawl'' but nonetheless a notable improvement over its viability as a standalone fighter in ''Brawl''.

In the transition to ''Project M'', Ivysaur was significantly buffed and modified to function as a mid-range zoning and anti-air character. It no longer depends on the Pokémon Trainer, losing its stamina system and crippling weakness to fire moves. It now also fights with self-healing moves and status effects befitting the Grass/Poison typing it has in its home series.

 

Ivysaur's ground moves have all received buffs. its up-smash remains the most powerful in the game and comes out more quickly, making it a more viable KO option, and its down-smash is a strong semi-spike useful both for relieving pressure and for edgeguarding. All of its other ground moves were reworked for speed and combo potential, and its jab now consists of two strong hits useful for keeping foes at a distance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In ''Brawl'', Ivysaur was tied to the {{SSBB|Pokémon Trainer}} and was considered the worst out of the three Pokémon and it was even considered a contender for the worst character in the game when judged as a standalone character. As a result, Ivysaur was [[buff]]ed greatly from ''Brawl'' to PM. Ivysaur is no longer tied to the Pokémon Trainer and its moveset has been heavily revamped. Many of Ivysaur's biggest weaknesses including its abysmal aerial game and recovery have been greatly improved. All of Ivysaur's aerials have seen many improvements in different areas and its air speed has been increased granting it a much stronger aerial game. [[Vine Whip]] is stronger, has more range and it can no longer be [[edgehog]]ged making Ivysaur's recovery much less exploitable especially when combined with its higher air speed and the introduction of directional [[air dodging]]. Many of Ivysaur's attacks have seen either improvements to their speed or power and Ivysaur now has a new very powerful tool in its kit with its Solar Beam which has replaced [[Bullet Seed]]. Ivysaur can now synthesise to build up charge for its Solar Beam. It can do this by either using its neutral special to slowly build it up or to land attacks which involve its bulb including its up smash, up throw, up and down aerials and pummel. All these attacks now heal Ivysaur and they all have a flower effect to further increase their damage output (although up smash, up aerial and down aerial require landing a sweetspot to perform this). Once the Solar Beam has been fully charge, Ivysaur can release a devastating beam which deals 25%, crosses the entire screen and has very high KO power giving it incredible KO and edgeguarding potential.

 

 

Overall, Ivysaur is far superior to its ''Brawl'' incarnation and is significantly more viable in competitive play than the Pokémon Trainer despite still being in the lower half of the tier list.  

*{{buff|Ivysaur's air speed is higher (0.752 → 0.88) improving its recovery and aerial approach.}}

*{{nerf|Ivysaur is significantly lighter (100 → 85), drastically worsening its horizontal endurance.}}

**{{buff|This also makes Ivysaur invulnerable to {{PM|Fox}}'s [[waveshine]] combos.}}

*{{buff|Jab combo has more range, the second hit deals more damage (2% → 4%) and both hits have less startup lag (frame 7 → 2 (hit 1), frame 8 → 6 (hit 2)) and deal more knockback. The first hit also has less ending lag (frame 28 → 16).}}

*{{nerf|Ivysaur no longer has a rapid jab hindering jab's damage racking potential. The first hit also has a shorter duration (frames 7-10 → 2-4).}}

*{{buff|Dash attack has a new animation where Ivysaur break dances. This gives it less ending lag (frame 44 → 35) which when combined with the removal of [[hitstun canceling]], improves its combo potential.}}

*{{buff|Forward tilt links much better and has less startup (frame 6 → 5) and ending lag (frame 42 → 36).}}

*{{nerf|Forward tilt deals slightly less damage (14% → 13%).}}

*{{buff|Up tilt has a slightly longer duration (frame 9-14 → 9-15) and deals more damage (7% → 9%/8%).}}

*{{nerf|Up tilt has more ending lag (frame 35 → 36).}}

*{{buff|Down tilt has more range and does slightly more damage at the tip (2% → 3%) It also has less ending lag (frame 38 → 32) and both hits have a longer duration (1 frame → 2 (frames (hit 1), 4 frames (hit 2)). It also has more range and the second hit launches opponents vertically granting it combo potential.}}

*{{nerf|Down tilt has more startup lag (frame 4 (hit 1), frame 9 (hit 2) → 8 (hit 1), 12 (hit 2)).}}

*{{buff|Forward smash has less startup lag (frame 17 → 15) and can now be [[angled]].}}

*{{nerf|Forward smash deals slightly less damage (16% → 15%) hindering its KO potential.}}

*{{buff|Up smash has dramatically faster startup (frame 26 → 13) and ending lag (frame 60 → 47), and has a sweetspot which has a [[flower]] effect increasing its maximum damage output (17% → 24%) and heals Ivysaur.}}

*{{nerf|Up smash's clean hit deals less base damage (17% → 9%) and while its knockback growth was compensated (90 → 150), the universally increased falling speeds hinder its KO potential. It also now has a sourspot with a {{b|grass|effect}} effect which deals less damage (17% → 12%) and knockback (80 (base), 90 (scaling) → 50/100) and sends opponents at a less vertical angle.}}

*{{buff|Down smash has less startup (frame 16 → 10) and ending lag (frame 64 → 48), does much more damage (8% → 14%/12%) and knockback, and has a semi-spike angle.}}

===Aerial Attacks===

*{{buff|Neutral aerial has a bigger hitbox that connects much better and deals more damage (14% → 16%) and has higher knockback.}}

*{{nerf|Neutral aerial has more ending (frame 41 → 42) and landing lag (11 frames → 14).}}

*{{buff|Forward aerial's sweetspot deals slightly more damage (12% → 13%) and forward aerial has less ending lag (frame 51 → 35) which when combined with the removal of hitstun canceling greatly improves its follow-up potential. It also has less landing lag (28 frames → 19).}}

*{{change|Forward aerial's sourspot and sweetspot have been swapped around. This makes forward aerial a stronger spacing tool but makes the sweetspot harder to land.}}

*{{nerf|Forward aerial deals less knockback especially the sourspot which deals less damage (10% → 9%).}}

*{{buff|Back aerial deals significantly more damage (2% → 4% (hit 1), 2%/3% → 5%/7%/8% (hit 2)) and has much more knockback giving it stronger gimping potential. It also has less ending lag (frame 46 → 41).}}

*{{nerf|Back aerial has more startup lag (frame 4 (hit 1), 13 (hit 2) → 7/17), landing lag (10 frames → 17) and has less range.}}

*{{buff|Up aerial has less startup (frame 12 → 9), ending (frame 53 → 36) and landing lag (22 frames → 21). It also shoots Ivysaur to the ground faster, has a sweetspot with a flower effect making it deal more total damage (16% → 18%), deals slightly more knockback and heals Ivysaur. It now has a hitbox during Ivysaur's descent which can lightly meteor smash, greatly increasing its safety and making it a strong landing option.}}

*{{nerf|Up aerial now has a sourspot which deals much less damage (16% → 10%) and knockback and the sweetspot deals less base damage (16% → 7%).}}

*{{buff|Down aerial has less startup lag with a longer duration (frame 11 → 8-10) and has less ending (frame 64 → 48) and landing lag (28 frames → 24) and it now [[auto-cancel]]s in a short hop. It also gives Ivysaur a momentum boost rather than halting all of Ivysaur's momentum allowing it to aid Ivysaur's recovery, and both the sourspot and  sweetspot are much stronger and the sweetspot now has a flower effect greatly increasing its damage output (8% → 20%) and it also heals Ivysaur.}}

*{{nerf|[[Grab]] range has been reduced, now just being of a slightly-above-standard range rather than acting as an extended grab. Ivysaur's standing grab also has more startup lag (frame 13 → 14).}}

*{{nerf|Up throw deals less base damage (10% → 6%) hindering its KO potential.}}

*{{buff|Ivysaur has a new neutral special: {{s|bulbapedia|Synthesis}} and {{s|bulbapedia|Solar Beam}}. Synthesis has a weak hitbox with set knockback on startup and holding the special button slowly heals Ivysaur and builds up charge. Charge is shown as a glowing light in Ivysaur’s bulb that grows bigger and fills the bulb when fully charged. Once the charge is full, using the move fires a powerful energy beam diagonally upwards. It can also be charged by connecting with Ivysaur's bulb attack sweetspots (including up smash, up throw, up and down aerials and pummel). Compared to [[Bullet Seed]], Solar Beam is a much more powerful KO move/[[edge-guard]]ing tool and has much more range. Solar Beam also has intangibility.}}

*{{nerf|Compared to Bullet Seed, Solar Beam has more startup lag (frame 4 (initial hit), frame 16 (seeds) → 20) and it cannot be held greatly reducing its maximum damage output (60% → 25%) and duration (6 seconds → frames 20-41). It is also worse for catching landings if the opponent is directly above Ivysaur and Solar Beam leaves Ivysaur helpless if used in the air.}}

*{{buff|[[Razor Leaf]] has a longer duration (frames 22-69 → 22-74), and it can now hit multiple targets and deal damage consecutively. It additionally flies in the same straight path instead of randomly angling, making the move more consistently usable.}}

*{{nerf|Razor Leaf travels much slower covering a significantly shorter distance and it now deals consistent damage (8% (near), 6% (mid), 4% (far) → 3%). It also vanishes upon making contact with a surface, worsening its overall durability, and only one Razor Leaf can be out at a time.}}

*{{buff|[[Vine Whip]]'s sweetspot is stronger, dealing higher damage (13% → 15%) and knockback. Vine Whip also has more range and can no longer be [[edgehog]]ged due to ''Project M''{{'}}s new tether mechanics.}}

*{{change|Vine Whip now plays the [[ping]] SFX if the sweetspot connects.}}

*{{buff|Ivysaur has a new down special: {{s|bulbapedia|Seed Bomb}}, which sends a powerful [[projectile]] vertically similar to Snake's up smash. It releases {{s|bulbapedia|Stun Spore}}s upon hitting the ground, which [[stun]] opponents in range. The move can also be angled left or right slightly. It's great for both punishing aerial [[approach]]ing foes and catching grounded enemies off-guard. Compared to [[Pokémon Change]], it has much less ending lag (>frame 120 → 58) making it far less punishable.}}

*{{nerf|Unlike Pokémon Change, Seed Bomb does not grant Ivysaur intangibility nor does it reset [[stale move negation]].}}

*{{change|Ivysaur has a new [[Final Smash]] {{s|bulbapedia|Sunny Day}}. Ivysaur synthesises, heals 66% damage and gains access to three fully charged Solar Beams.}}

*{{nerf|Dash Attack animation is faster, strong hit duration is shorter.}}

*{{nerf|Forward air downward range decreased; animation slightly faster overall; all hits send opponents vertically.}}

*{{nerf|Back air damage/knockback decreased on ranged hits; angles generally higher; animation faster overall.}}

*{{buff|Up air falling hitbox is a spike for the first four frames while shield damage is added to bulb sweetspot and can no longer fastfall during up air to slow decent.}}

*{{buff|{{s|bulbapedia|Synthesis}}/{{s|bulbapedia|Solar Beam}} when uncharged now has a landing cancel, healing starts later in the animation, and holding B to full charge allows you to continue healing until you let go of B.}}

*{{nerf|Solarbeam now takes 22% to fully charge.}}

*{{buff|Charged {{s|bulbapedia|Synthesis}}/{{s|bulbapedia|Solar Beam}} transition to Special Fall can now grab ledges backward.}}

*{{change|[[Vine Whip]]'s sweetspot hitbox size decreased, grounded [[Vine Whip]] now matches aerial [[Vine Whip]] (has an extra active frame).}}

*{{bugfix|Fixed a glitch where the [[Vine Whip]]'s "hop" wouldn't happen immediately after hitstun.}}

*{{buff|{{s|bulbapedia|Seed Bomb}} can be angled to the left or right (less so while in the air), aerial {{s|bulbapedia|Seed Bomb}} no longer pushes Ivysaur downward.}}

*{{buff|[[Vine Whip]]'s sweetspot hitbox size slightly increased.}}

*{{buff|[[Vine Whip]]'s sweetspot damage increased to 18%.}}

*{{nerf|Down tilt's 2nd hit now only pops up at the outer 2 hitboxes instead of outer 3 hitboxes.}}

*{{bugfix|Grabs - outer 2 of 5 boxes on standing and pivot grab + outer 1 box of 3 on dash grab are ground-only to alleviate chain grab issues.}}

*{{buff|{{s|bulbapedia|Synthesis}}/{{s|bulbapedia|Solar Beam}} max charge lowered from 22% to 18%.}}

*{{change|[[Razor Leaf]] checks if existing leaf is out on frame 1 instead of 15.}}

*{{change|[[Razor Leaf]] hit refresh rate is slower, damage per hit is increased by 1, and hit angle is increased to send further vertical.}}

*{{change|[[Razor Leaf]] is slowed down to v2.5 timings while float physics are also reverted to v2.5, but the move lasts 5 frames longer.}}

**{{buff|Removed the useless, fully overlapped hitbox in the middle of the last air hit}}

*{{nerf|[[Vine Whip]]'s base knockback from bast to tip changed from 40/40/40/60/80 to 40/40/40/40/80}}

**{{buff|Fixed a bug that caused [[Vine Whip]] tether to fail if used near the end of its tether range}}

*{{bugfix|Fixed a bug where attempting to heal an amount greater than Ivysaur's current percent wouldn't heal it at all}}

*{{bugfix|Fixed a bug allowing gaining or losing an unrelated amount of charge/health when hitting projectiles}}

| rowspan=2 | || 3% || rowspan=2 | Ivysaur strikes with one vine, followed by another vine that deals stronger horizontal knockback.

| || 2% (hits 1-4), 5% (hit 5) || Ivysaur leans forward and spins the leaves around its main bulb like a helicopter blade, hitting multiple times. This move can be aimed up or down.

| || 9% (center), 8% (sides) || Ivysaur plants its vines on the ground and pushes itself into the air. Has good range, with the central hit dealing straight vertical knockback.

| || 12% (clean), 10% (late) || Ivysaur lunges and tackles the foe. Connecting during the early part of the animation deals powerful base knockback.

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|15}} || Ivysaur plants its vines on the ground and launches its body forward. Decent knockback (30 base, 100 growth); can be used for [[edgeguard]]ing onstage. Can be angled up or down.

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|9}} (body), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} (explosion) || Ivysaur launches a burst of spores from its bulb. The lateral hitboxes deals strong vertical knockback, while the explosion deals more damage, less knockback, [[flower]]s the enemy, and heals 9% to Ivysaur. The percentage healed also increases with the attack's [[charge]], for a maximum of 12.3039% when fully charged).

| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (center), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} (tip) || Ivysaur quickly whips out vines across the ground simultaneously on both sides. Has a [[semi-spike]] trajectory akin to {{PM|Jigglypuff}}'s down smash.

| || 9% (center), 13% (tip) || Ivysaur slaps forward with both vines. Has some start-up, but the tip is powerful, while the center can set up combos at low percentages.

| || 7% (bulb interior), 10% (explosion), 6% (descent) || Ivysaur shoots a burst of spores out of its bulb and propels itself downward. The bulb interior flowers the opponent and heals 7% to Ivysaur. The descent weakly [[meteor smash]]es enemies and can be quickly [[L-cancel]]ed for follow-ups. Ivysaur starts [[fast fall]]ing as soon as the move is executed.

| || 7% (bulb interior), 10% (explosion) || Ivysaur turns upside-down and shoots a burst of spores out of its bulb. Similar to its up aerial, but deals slightly less knockback. The regular hit has a more horizontal trajectory for gimps, while the bulb interior powerfully meteor smashes the opponent in addition to flowering them and healing 7% from Ivysaur. The move completely stops Ivysaur's descent, and its quick animation can be combined with Ivysaur's fast air speed to provide a good horizontal recovery option.

| || — || Stretches Ivysaur's vines and binds the opponent. Has shorter range compared to other extended grabs, but less ending lag.

| || 1% || Squeezes the opponent. Heals 1% to Ivysaur every time it is used. The amount charged or healed accounts for [[stale-move negation]].

| || 6% || Ivysaur puts the foe over its bulb, then bounces them into the air with it. The move charges and heals 6 points every time it is used and will flower opponents. Can [[chaingrab]] fastfallers.

| || 10% || Ivysaur does a flip and slams the foe into the ground with its vines. A good throw for chaingrabbing fastfallers. At higher percentages, or against other characters, it can lead into an aerial, a Vine Whip, or SolarBeam.

| || 6% || Ivysaur get up with a horizontal spin, swinging its vines.

| {{s|bulbapedia|Synthesis}}/{{s|bulbapedia|Solar Beam}} || 4% (charge), 25% (SolarBeam) || Holding the special button heals Ivysaur of approximately 1% damage per second and builds up bulb charge at the same rate. The charge start-up produces [[wind]]. Once the charge is full, using the move fires a powerful energy beam diagonally upwards, having great range and dealing strong knockback, serving as a powerful edge-guarding attack or combo finisher. To fully charge the beam from the start, Ivysaur must have 22% or more damage healed, either by the move itself or by bulb attacks and pummel. The SolarBeam has an [[electric]] effect and cannot be [[reflect]]ed, but can be [[absorb]]ed by [[PSI Magnet]] and [[Oil Panic]]. Ivysaur becomes [[helpless]] after firing the beam.

| [[Razor Leaf]] || 3% each hit || Ivysaur fires a spinning leaf forward, which hits enemies consecutively when used as a tilt and hits once when thrown as a smash attack. The leaf can be reflected, but cannot be angled and vanish upon hitting a surface, and can pass through foes and [[shield]]s.  

| {{s|bulbapedia|Seed Bomb}} || 10% || Ivysaur fires a flashing seed upwards in a motion similar to its old neutral special. It can be slightly angled sideways in the same way as Snake's up-smash, and keeps momentum when used in midair. The seed then falls down and releases Stun Spores upon hitting a surface. The seed itself has decent vertical knockback, while the spores [[stun]]s any opponent in range, being able to [[punish]] opponents attempting to dodge Ivysaur. The seed can be reflected, though when doing so, the trajectory will be unaltered; it will just damage Ivysaur if it comes close to the explosion.

| {{s|bulbapedia|Sunny Day}} || 25% (each SolarBeam) || Ivysaur summons strong sunlight, restoring 66% of damage and giving Ivysaur three SolarBeam charges.

===Most historically significant players===

 

 

*{{Sm|Cala|USA}} - Ranked 33rd on [[PMRank 2018]].

*{{Sm|Kendrick|USA}} - Ivysaur/ROB dual main ranked #34 on [[PMRank 2023]].

*{{Sm|Nogh|USA}} - Ranked 26th on [[PMRank 2019]], now dual mains Ivysaur.

*{{Sm|Sabre|USA}} - Ranked 2nd in SoCal and 40th on PMRank 2019, and inventor of character-specific tech including the Flop Lock.

*{{Sm|Sothe|USA}} - Ranked 10th on the [[PMRank 2019]] and a notable inactive on [[PMRank 2023]]. Considered the best Ivysaur player in the world.

Ivysaur now has more significant [[palette swap]]s to be more distinctive in [[Team Battle]]s. In addition, it has received  blue, purple, white, and black recolors. Ivysaur's green color is now their {{s|bulbapedia|Shiny}} palette.

 

|colspan=7|[[File:Ivysaur Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ivysaur's alternate costumes in PM]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadSSBB.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadRedPM.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadGreenPM.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadBluePM.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadPurplePM.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadWhitePM.png]]

|[[File:IvysaurHeadBlackPM.png]]

*Ivysaur's Solar Beam has a 2D sprite (that comes from Suicune's Poké Ball move); unlike other objects with this feature, it won't keep facing the screen and will instead remain flat like [[Mr. Game & Watch]].

*Unlike Squirtle and Charizard, Ivysaur's Pokémon Trainer victory pose has not been replaced, making it the only character in the game with just two victory poses.

*In older versions of ''Project M'', Ivysaur's Solar Beam was shot out of it’s  mouth.

*In [[The Subspace Emissary]], Ivysaur cannot be selected as a playable character during cutscenes; the Pokémon Trainer (who is referred to with {{PM|Mewtwo}}'s name) will always default to {{PM|Squirtle}} prior to Charizard's capture and {{PM|Charizard}} after its capture, and [[Pokémon Change]] does not exist in ''Project M''.