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{{Infobox Character Mod
{{Infobox Character Mod
|name = Ice Climbers
|name         = Ice Climbers
|image = {{tabber|title1=Ice Climbers (PM)|content1=[[File:Ice Climbers SSBB.jpg|250px]]|title2=Ice Climbers (P+)|content2=[[File:PPlus Ice Climbers.png|250px]]|title3=Polar Bear Costumes|content3=[[File:Polar Bear Climbers PM.png|250px]]}}
|image       = [[Image:Ice Climbers SSBB.jpg|250px]]
|mod = Project M
|mod         = Project M
|base = SSBB
|base         = ssbb
|moveset1 = Ice Climbers (SSBM)
|moveset1     = Ice Climbers (SSBM)
|moveset2 = Ice Climbers (SSBB)
|moveset2     = Ice Climbers (SSBB)
|altcostume = Polar Bear Climbers, Tundra Climbers (''[[Project+]]'')
|altcostume   = Polar Bear Climbers
|tier        = Lower-Mid
|ranking      = 35
}}
}}
The '''Ice Climbers''' are a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''.  
[[Image:Polar_Bear_Climbers_PM.png|thumb|right|Popo and Nana's Polar Bear Costumes in Project M 3.5]]
 
The '''Ice Climbers''' are a playable character in the ''[[Brawl]]'' mod ''[[Project M]]''. They have been modified to focus more on [[desynching]] and standard combat rather than on their [[grab]] infinites from ''Brawl'' and ''Melee''. They have both been made slightly more competent at fighting on their own, without the aid of their partner.  
The Ice Climbers rank 16th out of 41 on the [[Project M#Tier list|official]] [[tier list]], placed toward the bottom of the A- tier and a distant drop from their placements in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', where their positions were 7th out of 26 and 2nd out of 38, respectively. Their placement on the tier list is largely due to their volatile matchup spread, as Project M's expanded cast has provided them with more troublesome matchups than ''Melee'' or ''Brawl'' despite the Ice Climbers' expanded neutral and punish options. In the ''Project+'' {{h2|Project+|tier list}}, they are ranked 13th in the A tier, a slight improvement over their standing in ''Project M''.
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==Attributes==
==Attributes==
Ice Climbers is a duo consisting of the characters Popo and Nana. The player, in half of the retained ''Brawl'' costumes plus the alternate costume, controls Popo, and Nana will copy the player's movements under normal circumstances, and vice versa for the retained other half of the costumes. In Project M, the Ice Climbers can no longer perform most of their infamous grab infinites, but are compensated with buffed recovery options and better options in neutral. Ice Climbers are capable of dealing substantial amounts of damage; The partner will copy the player's move and has the same damage output, effectively doubling their damage output while both Climbers are alive if both attacks hit.
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===Changes from ''Melee'' to PM===
However, one of the Ice Climbers' biggest strengths is also their biggest weakness. A lot of their attacks are a lot better when both Popo and Nana are present, so if one of them is KO'd, the player's options are limited. A notable example, and their biggest disadvantage Ice Climbers has after the partner is defeated is the poor recovery offstage; [[Belay]] only gives a small fraction of the height the move normally gains, and although [[Squall Hammer]] can travel a fair distance, its hitbox doesn't compensate for [[edgehogging|edgehoggers]].
*{{buff|Retain a nerfed version of Brawl's [[desynching]].}}
 
*{{buff|Up tilt links better and hits faster.}}
==Changes from ''Melee'' to PM==
The Ice Climbers have been modified to focus more on [[desynching]] and standard combat rather than on their grab infinites from ''Brawl'' and ''Melee''. This is an overall nerf as wobbling and grab infinites previously contributed to their success at a competitive scene. Nevertheless, their arsenal of grab combos and mixups have been greatly expanded, and the Ice Climbers still benefit greatly from chaingrabbing, as seen [http://www.gfycat.com/PlainParchedAcouchi here]. To compensate, however, they have both been made slightly more competent at fighting on their own, without the aid of their partner.
 
===Attributes===
*{{buff|''Brawl'''s [[desynching]] methods are retained, albeit nerfed from their original functionality. This greatly improves their approach options and their offensive game.}}
**{{change|They also retain most of their ''Melee'' desynch methods, including sidestep and roll desynchs.}}
**{{change|In addition, they possess several new desyncs unique to PM for a more diverse kit.}}
*{{buff|Both Climbers' can occupy the same ledge, a trait carried over from ''Brawl''.}}
*{{buff|The AI-controlled partner is much more efficient at recovering when alone, allowing them to live longer horizontally.}}
*{{buff|The AI-controlled partner is much more efficient at recovering when alone, allowing them to live longer horizontally.}}
**{{buff|The AI-controlled partner will also now always perform an up throw while in the middle of the stage and throw away from the stage when near edges, allowing for consistent follow-ups when the partner lands a grab.}}
*{{buff|Retain the mechanic from ''Brawl'' where both Climbers can grab the ledge at once.}}
*{{buff|Most hammer attacks have had their hitboxes resized and/or moved to reach the end of their hammers.}}
*{{buff|[[Blizzard]] deals slightly more damage.}}
*{{nerf|They can no longer [[wobble]].}}
*{{nerf|Can no longer [[wobble]], nor use ''Brawl'' chaingrabs.}}
*{{nerf|The Climbers' chaingrabs from ''Brawl'' have been reduced to a 1-frame window, despite the intention for them to be completely removed.}}
*{{nerf|[[Freeze glitch]] has been removed.}}
*{{bugfix|The [[freeze glitch]] is no longer possible.}}
*{{nerf|Ice-based attacks no longer [[Frozen|freeze]] opponents.}}
*{{change|By holding a shield button at the start of a match, one can play as a [[Sopo|solo Ice Climber]].}}
*{{change|By holding a shield button at the start of a match, one can play as a [[Sopo|solo Ice Climber]].}}


===Ground Attacks===
*{{buff|Up tilt links better and hits faster.}}
*{{buff|Forward smash and up smash are more effective as anti-air moves because of the fixed hitbox interpolation on the hammers.}}
===Aerial Attacks===
*{{buff|The meteor on both Climbers' forward aerials has been converted into a deadly spike with a weak hitbox and a strong hitbox.}}
===Special Moves===
*{{buff|[[Blizzard]] deals slightly more damage and uses its larger Brawl size.}}
*{{buff|[[Belay]] allows both Climbers to snap to ledge, and has increased knockback and damage.}}
==Changes from PM to P+==
==Revisions==
==Revisions==
===v3.0===
===3.0===
*{{change|All throws' release points adjusted to be closer to Melee.}}
*{{change|All throws (up, down, forward, and back) release points adjusted to be closer to Melee.}}
*{{nerf|Forward throw hitlag increased.}}
*{{nerf|Forward throw hitlag increased.}}
*{{nerf|Up throw hitlag increased.}}
*{{nerf|Up throw hitlag increased.}}


===v3.5===
===3.5===
 
*{{buff|Shield size increased from 7.5 to 8.5.}}
*{{buff|Shield size increased from 7.5 to 8.5.}}
*{{buff|Down smash deals more damage.}}
*{{change|Nana now spot dodges on the same frame Popo does.}}
**{{nerf|It can no longer trip opponents.}}
*{{nerf|[[Ice Shot]] has shorter duration.}}
*{{buff|[[Belay]] deals more knockback.}}
*{{change|The AI-controlled partner now spot dodges on the same frame the player does.}}
 
===v3.6===
====Beta====
{{bugfix|A glitch involving their walk momentum has been corrected.}}
 
====Full====
{{bugfix|The AI-controlled partner now attempts to use [[Belay]] for recovery.}}


==Moveset==
==Moveset==
Up to date as of version 3.6.
Up to date as of version 3.0.
 
''Note: The damage is based off one Ice Climber, due to both of them having the same damage output.''


{|class="wikitable"
{|class="wikitable"
! colspan=2 | !!Name!!Damage!!Description
! !!Name!!Damage!!Description
|-
! colspan=2 rowspan=2 | Neutral attack
| rowspan=2 | || 2% || rowspan=2 | Each Ice Climber does a horizontal swipe with their hammers followed by an upward swing.
|-
|-
|4%
!Neutral attack
| Pound, Upswing || 2%, 4%|| Each Climber does a swing to the side, and then a swing upwards.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Forward tilt
!Forward tilt
| || 8% || Each Ice Climber does a side swing with their hammer, covering a long reach. This move can also be aimed up or down.
| Hammer Swing || 8%|| Each Climber does a side swing with long reach.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Up tilt
!Up tilt
| || 1% (hits 1-7), 3% (hit 8) || Each Ice Climber spins their hammer above their heads numerous times, dealing multiple hits. A good finisher when both Ice Climbers are present.
| Hammer Spin || 1% Each Spin|| Each Climber spins their hammer around numerous times. A good finisher when both Ice Climbers are present.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Down tilt
!Down tilt
| || 5% || Each Ice Climber swings their hammers low across the ground.
| Stoop Hammer || 5%|| Each Climber sweeps the front of them  with their hammer.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Dash attack
!Dash attack
| || 9% || Each Ice Climber sweeps upwards with their hammer while coming to a stop, launching the opponents upwards.
| Scoop || 9%|| Each Climber sweeps upwards with their hammer, hitting their opponents upward.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Forward smash
!Forward smash
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}} (hammer), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|10}} (arm) || Each Ice Climber lifts their hammers over their heads, then smashes them straight down. A good finisher when both Ice Climbers are present.
| Hammer Smash || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|14}}|| Each Climber does a powerful head swing to the ground. Good finisher.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Up smash
!Up smash
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}} || Each Ice Climber does an overhead swing with their hammers.
| Icicle Crasher || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|11}}|| Each Climber does an overhead swing with their hammer.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Down smash
!Down smash
| || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}} || Each Ice Climber fully sweeps the ground around them with their hammers.
| Hammer Sweep || {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBM|12}}|| Each Climber fully sweeps the ground around them with their hammer.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Neutral aerial
!Neutral aerial
| || 8% || Each Ice Climber spins around their hammer, hitting anyone near.
| Icy Whirlwind || 8%|| Each Climber spins around their hammer, hitting anyone near.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Forward aerial
!Forward aerial
| || 13% (hammer), 11% (handle), 12% (body) || Each Ice Climber holds their hammers up, then bring them down in a similar fashion to their forward smash. Spikes opponents who comes in contact with the handle, but is often hard to maneuver when both Ice Climbers are present. Overall an excellent finisher, especially with both Ice Climbers present. Often used as a finisher out of forward-throw near the ledge.
| Ice Breaker || 11%|| Each Climber warms up a swing, and then meteor smash their opponents. An excellent finisher, especially with both Climbers present.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Back aerial
!Back aerial
| || 12% (hammer), 11% (handle) || Each Ice Climber performs a backwards swing with their hammers.
| Reverse Swing || 12%|| Each Climber does a hammer backswing.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Up aerial
!Up aerial
| || 9% (clean), 7% (late) || Each Ice Climber thrusts their hammer upwards. Acts similarly to their up tilt, but with only one hitbox per Ice Climber.
| Hammer Reach || 9%|| Each Climber thrusts their hammer upwards.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Down aerial
!Down aerial
| || 9% || Each Ice Climber holds their hammers below themselves and fall downwards. The attack overall lasts for a long duration and has some landing lag (though [[L-cancelling]] helps).
| Hammer Ride || 9%|| Each Climber hops onto their hammer and descend downwards to hit their opponent.
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|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Grab
!Grab
| || &mdash; || One Ice Climber grabs the opponent.
| ||Grab|| Grabs the opponent.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Pummel
!Pummel
| || 2% || The grabbing Ice Climber hits the opponent with a headbutt, whereas the player has some control over the partner while pummeling.
| Cold Headbutt || 2%|| The grabbing Climber hits the opponent with a headbutt. The other Climber uses their Neutral A attack, which helps add damage.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Forward throw
!Forward throw
| || 6% (hit 1), 5% (throw) || The grabbing Ice Climber hits the opponent forward with a hammer swing.
| Hockey Slapshot || 11%|| The grabbing Climber side swings their opponent with great force.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Back throw
!Back throw
| || 7% || The grabbing Ice Climber flings the opponent behind with one hand.
| Snow Mt. Throw || 7%|| The opponent is thrown backwards, while the other Climber faces backwards.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Up throw
!Up throw
| || 6% (hit 1), 5% (throw) || The grabbing Ice Climber throws their opponent upwards, hitting them with an overhead hammer swing.
| Icicle Toss || 11%|| The grabbing Climber throws their opponent upwards, hitting them with an overhead swing. The other climber attempts their Up-Tilt.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Down throw
!Down throw
| || 6% || The grabbing Ice Climber spins once then throws the opponent onto the ground.
| Avalanche Crusher || 6%|| The opponent is hurled into the ground. The other Climber can then begin a Blizzard Combo.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (front)
!Floor attack (front)
| || 6% || Each Ice Climber gets up and spins their hammers.
| Spinning Hammer|| 6%|| The Climbers spin their hammer around the ground in front of them.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (back)
!Floor attack (back)
| || 6% || Each Ice Climber gets up and swipes their hammers on both sides.
| Ice Crack|| 6%|| The Climbers hit the ground around them with their hammers.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Floor attack (trip)
!Floor attack (trip)
| || 5% || Each Ice Climber gets up and spins around, hitting with their hammers.
| Clean Sweep|| 5%|| The Climbers spin around, sweeping with their hammers.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Edge attack (fast)
!Edge attack (fast)
| || 8% (hammer), 6% (body) || Each Ice Climber quickly climbs up and slams their hammers on the ground.
| Hammer Stomp|| 8%|| The Climbers stomp the ground forcefully with their hammers.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Edge attack (slow)
!Edge attack (slow)
| || 10% (hammer), 8% (body) || Each Ice Climber slowly climbs up and swipes their hammer forward.
| Slow Swipe|| 10%|| The Climbers swipes at the ground with their hammers.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Neutral special
!Neutral special
| [[Ice Shot]] || 9% (hammer), 1-5% (ice) || Each Ice Climber fires a block of ice that travel along the ground, bouncing off walls. The icicle melts and loses power over time. The Ice Climbers will gain a slight boost upwards when used in midair. The icicle can also fly through the air, making it a useful tool to gimp opponents and force high recoveries.  
| [[Ice Shot]] || 4% - 2%|| An icicle comes from a small portal, then hit by the Ice Climber. The icicle melts and loses power over time. The icicle can travel farther than Final Destination.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Side special
!Side special
| [[Squall Hammer]] || 2% (loop hits) || Both Ice Climbers spin around together while moving along the ground with their hammers extended. This move can also be used as a recovery move by mashing the B button, which can cover more horizontal and vertical distance, but gains more distance when both Ice Climbers are present. Because both Climbers exit this move on the same frame, it is possible to desync the AI-controlled partner when grounded during the move's endlag.
| [[Squall Hammer]] || 2% Each Hit, for a total of 16% per climber.|| The climbers spin around, hitting opponents with their hammers. It can help regain some horizontal movement in the air, but causes helplessness afterwards.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Up special
!Up special
| [[Belay]] || 16% || The leading Ice Climber throws the partner in the air with a rope. The partner then pulls the leader upwards, covering great vertical distance. If there is a nearby edge, the partner will target it, leading to a safe recovery for both Ice Climbers. If there is only one Climber present when performing this move, they will get a small hop, then fall into [[helpless]]ness. Difficult to challenge from above because of invincibility on AI-controlled partner, but susceptible to gimps if the opponent can hit Popo during startup.
| [[Belay]] || 16% If a climber hits someone|| The leading Ice Climber throws the following Climber with a rope. The following Ice Climber then pulls the leader upwards. If there is a nearby edge, the following Climber will target it, leading to a safe recovery for both Climbers. If there is only one Climber, the Climber will get a small hop, then fall into helplessness.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Down special
!Down special
| [[Blizzard]] || 1-2% || Each Ice Climber blows icy wind from their hands, damaging nearby opponents. When the move is used on the ground, the partner will shoot in the direction opposite of the leader. This move is mostly used as a tool to control space in neutral and stuff approaches.
| [[Blizzard]] || 1% Each Hit, for a total of 18% per climber|| Each Climber blows icy wind , damaging their opponent. No longer freezes the opponent into an ice block.
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | Final Smash
!Final Smash
| [[Iceberg]] || 2% (loop hits), 5% (frozen) || The Ice Climbers summon a huge iceberg into the middle of the stage. The iceberg can damage and [[Frozen|freeze]] any opponents who makes contact with it. This Final Smash lasts for about 11 seconds.
| [[Iceberg]] || 2% Each Hit, 1% when frozen|| The Ice Climbers summon a huge Iceberg into the middle of the field. Touching the iceberg results in freeze damage, and possibly becoming frozen. Being frozen when pushed off the edge can lead to a fatal death, as the frozen player falls with full speed. Lasts for about 11 seconds.
|}
|}


==In [[competitive play]]==
==In [[competitive play]]==
===Most historically significant players===
===Notable players===
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*{{Sm|ChuDat|USA}}
 
*{{Sm|Fumbles|USA}}
''Any number following the Smasher name indicates placement on the [[PMRank 2019]], which recognizes the official top 50 players in the world in [[Project M]] during 2019.''
*{{Sm|Hylian|USA}}
 
*{{Sm|Wobbles|USA}}
''See also: [[:Category:Ice Climbers players (PM)]]''
*{{Sm|Dembo|USA}}  
*{{Sm|Dank?|USA}} - Ranked 1st on the Colorado ''Project M'' Power Rankings.
-Discovered and popularized the [http://www.gfycat.com/PlainParchedAcouchi footstool chaingrab.]
*{{Sm|Phresh|USA}} - The second best Ice Climbers main in the world. Won {{Trn|Lake George Snowdown}} over {{Sm|dvd}}.
*{{Sm|MOM!?|USA}}
*{{Sm|Serb|USA}} - Ranked #40 on [[PMRank 2022]] and currently ranked 7th in Massachusetts, he is one of the best active Ice Climbers players.
*{{Sm|techboy|USA}} - The best Ice Climbers main in the world. Ranked #2 on [[PMRank 2022]] and ranked 1st on the Michigan ''Project M'' Power Rankings.


==Alternate costumes==
==Alternate costumes==
===Project M===
The Ice Climbers received a costume based on the Polar Bear.
The Ice Climbers received a costume based on the Polar Bear, an enemy from their origin game, ''{{b|Ice Climber|game}}''.  
[[Image:Ice Climbers Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ice Climbers' alternate costumes in PM]]
 
{|style="margin:1em auto 1em auto;text-align:center"
|-
|colspan=8|[[File:Ice Climbers Palette (PM).png|frame|center|Ice Climbers' alternate costumes in PM.]]
|-
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadRedSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadBlackSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadGreenSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadWhiteSSBB.png]]
|[[File:IceClimbersHeadPolarBearPM.png]]
|}
 
===Project+===
''[[Project+]]'' gives the Ice Climber team colors for their Polar Bear costume. Ice Climbers also receive a costume based on typical Russian snow clothing, which was named the Tundra Climbers costume.
 
[[File:Ice Climbers Palette (P+).png|960px|thumb|center|Ice Climbers' alternate costumes in P+]]
 
'''Secret costumes:'''
 
[[File:ICs Z P+.png|160px]] [[File:ICs R_P+.png|160px]]
 
'''Z-Secret Costume:''' Plaid Patterned Ice Climbers
 
'''R-Secret Costume:''' Realistic Equipment Ice Climbers
 
==Trivia==
*The Tundra Climbers costume was originally called "Soviet Climbers". Its original design featured both characters wearing a red star on their hat, along with a metal hammer for Popo and a metal sickle for Nana to resemble the Soviet flag. Prior to its inclusion in ''Project+'', it's name and design were reworked by the development team, eliminating any political connotations with the outfit and giving them wooden hammers to better fit in with the Ice Climber's moveset.


==External links==
==External links==
*[https://pmunofficial.com/en/characters/ice-climbers/ Ice Climbers's page at the Project M website]
*[http://projectmgame.com/en/characters/ice-climbers Project M character page]
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/bj8alh/labbing_discord_results_ice_climbers/ Labbing Discord Tech Post]


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