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==Differences from {{SSBB|Kirby}}==
==Differences from {{SSBB|Kirby}}==
Green Alloy is, on a surface level, a heavier, larger Kirby, with slightly different attacks and higher speed when grounded; in general, his ground game is much more effective. Uniquely compared to the other Fighting Alloys, Green Alloy has a few moves taken from a second character, with his forward and up throws being borrowed from {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}.
Green Alloy is, on a surface level, a heavier, larger Kirby, with slightly different attacks and higher speed when grounded; in general, his ground game is much more effective.


===Aesthetics===
===Aesthetics===
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* {{nerf|Green Alloy has no special moves.}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy has no special moves.}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't [[shield]] and thus cannot [[roll]] or [[spotdodge]].}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't [[shield]] and thus cannot [[roll]] or [[spotdodge]].}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't [[airdodge]] and thus cannot perform airdodge [[hitstun cancelling]], making him uniquely susceptible to combos, though he can still hitstun cancel with aerials for a potential combo break, or to [[momentum cancel]].}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't [[airdodge]] and thus cannot perform [[hitstun cancelling]], making him uniquely susceptible to combos.}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't grab the [[ledge]] and can't use any ledge options by extension.}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy can't grab the [[ledge]] and can't use any ledge options by extension.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[walk speed]] is higher (0.95 → 1.1).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[walk speed]] is higher (0.95× → 1.).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[initial dash]] speed is higher (1.4 → 1.5).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[initial dash]] speed is higher (1.→ 1.).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[dash]] speed is much higher (1.371 → 1.5).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[dash]] speed is much higher (1.371× → 1.).}}
* {{change|Green Alloy's traction is much higher (0.0493 → 0.06), making it easier to stop short when dashing, but reducing the effectiveness of sliding-based techniques like [[DACUS]].}}
* {{change|Green Alloy's traction is much higher (0.0493× → 0.06×), making it easier to stop short when dashing, but reducing the effectiveness of sliding-based techniques like [[DACUS]].}}
* {{change|Green Alloy's [[weight]] is much higher (78 → 98), adding significant survivability, but making Green Alloy more vulnerable to [[chain grab]]s and [[combo]]s.}}
* {{change|Green Alloy's [[weight]] is much higher (78 → 98), adding significant survivability, but making Green Alloy more vulnerable to [[chain grab]]s and [[combo]]s.}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[jumpsquat]] is worse by 1 frame (4f → 5f).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[jumpsquat]] is worse by 1 frame (4f → 5f).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[gravity]] is higher (0.061 → 0.075), helping Green Alloy land quicker and increasing vertical mobility overall.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[gravity]] is higher (0.061× → 0.075×), helping Green Alloy land quicker and increasing vertical survivability. Helps in tandem with fall speed.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[fall speed]] is slightly higher (1.2 → 1.28).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[fall speed]] is slightly higher (1.→ 1.28×).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[fast fall]] speed is much lower (1.9 → 1.792).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[fast fall]] speed is much lower (1.→ 1.792×).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[air acceleration]] is lower (0.11 → 0.09).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy's [[air acceleration]] is lower (0.11× → 0.09×).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[air speed]] is higher (0.85 → 0.94).}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's [[air speed]] is higher (0.85× → 0.94×).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy has a significantly worse [[meteor cancel]] window, tied with {{SSBB|Wolf}} for the worst in the game (25f → 60f).}}
* {{nerf|Green Alloy has a significantly worse [[meteor cancel]] window, tied with {{SSBB|Wolf}} for the worst in the game (25f → 60f).}}


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* {{buff|Jab 2 does 1% more damage (3% → 4%).}}
* {{buff|Jab 2 does 1% more damage (3% → 4%).}}
* {{nerf|Jab 2 has increased endlag (FAF: 16f → 21f) and knockback growth (30 → 50), making it easier for opponents to fall out. The endlag makes it much worse on shield (-12 → -16).}}
* {{nerf|Jab 2 has increased endlag (FAF: 16f → 21f) and knockback growth (30 → 50), making it easier for opponents to fall out. The endlag makes it much worse on shield (-12 → -16).}}
* {{nerf|Rapid Jab has increased set knockback (4 → 8), making it easier for opponents to fall out.}}
* {{nerf|Rapid Jab has increased weight-based knockback (4 → 8), making it easier for opponents to fall out.}}
*{{nerf|Rapid jab lacks the disjoint that Kirby's version has.}}
*{{buff|Rapid jab deals consistent damage (2%/1% → 2%).}}
*{{change|Rapid jab doesn't use the [[Sakurai Angle]] like Kirby's does.}}
* {{change|Dash attack is functionally a different move, being a single-hit attack instead of using multiple hits.}}
* {{change|Dash attack is functionally a different move, being a single-hit attack instead of using multiple hits.}}
** {{buff|This makes it considerably less vulnerable to [[SDI]], a big weakness of {{SSBB|Kirby}}'s.}}
** {{buff|This makes it considerably less vulnerable to [[SDI]], a big weakness of {{SSBB|Kirby}}'s.}}
** {{buff|This single hit does more damage compared to the final hit (4% → 6%).}}
** {{buff|This single hit does more damage compared to the final hit (4% → 6%).}}
** {{buff|It sends at a much steeper angle compared to Kirby's final hit (65° → 35°), giving more favourable situations thereafter.}}
** {{buff|It sends at a much steeper angle compared to Kirby's final hit (65° → 35°), giving more favourable situations thereafter.}}
**{{buff|It travels much further than Kirby's due to Green Alloy's increased size.}}
** {{nerf|It has much worse base knockback compared to Kirby's final hit (90/70 → 30), but consistent knockback growth (70/100 → 100).}}
** {{nerf|It has much less base knockback compared to Kirby's final hit (90/70 → 30), but consistent knockback growth (70/100 → 100). The reduced base knockback makes it unsafe on hit at low percents.}}
** {{nerf|The lack of multiple hits makes it much worse on shield (-13f → -40f to -20f depending on when it hits).}}
** {{nerf|The lack of multiple hits makes it much worse on shield (-13f → -40f to -20f depending on when it hits).}}
** {{nerf|The move, overall, has worse endlag (FAF: 50f → 55f).}}
** {{nerf|The move, overall, has worse endlag (FAF: 50f → 55f).}}
* {{buff|Forward tilt has a single hitbox and does more damage (8/7% → 9%).}}
* {{buff|Forward tilt has a single hitbox and does more damage (8/7% → 9%).}}
* {{nerf|Forward tilt has higher endlag (FAF: 28f → 33f), making it worse on shield by proxy (-20f → -24f).}}
* {{nerf|Forward tilt has higher endlag (FAF: 28f → 33f), making it worse on shield by proxy (-20f → -24f.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's increased size allows up tilt to hit through platforms on stages like [[Battlefield]], and it has increased knockback growth (102 → 105). This makes it strong platform pressure.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's increased size allows up tilt to hit through platforms on stages like [[Battlefield]], and it has increased knockback growth (102 → 105). This makes it strong platform pressure.}}
** {{nerf|However, it has slightly worse endlag (FAF: 21f → 24f), making it worse on shield (-14f/-13f → -17f/16f).}}
** {{nerf|However, it has slightly worse endlag (FAF: 21f → 24f), making it worse on shield (-14f/-13f → -17f/16f).}}
* {{nerf|Down tilt now only deals 5%, without a 6% hitbox. However, the 35%/30% trip chance hitboxes remain. The reduced damage makes it lose access to the -14f on shield hitbox as well.}}
* {{nerf|Down tilt now only deals 5%, without a 6% hitbox. However, the 35%/30% trip chance hitboxes remain. The reduced damage makes it lose access to the -14f on shield hitbox as well.}}
* {{nerf|Forward smash comes out a frame slower with a frame less hitbox activity (12-16 → 13-15), with a frame gap between the initial hit and late hit (both being 17-21), causing it to have a frame perfect situation where it can miss.}}
* {{nerf|Forward smash comes out a frame slower with a frame less hitbox activity (12-16 → 13-15), with a frame gap between the initial hit and late hit (both being 17-21), causing it to have a frame perfect situation where it can miss.}}
** {{change|Forward smash's clean hit deals consistent damage regardless of angle (15%/14%/16% → 15%), and has consistent knockback scaling (100/98/96 → 98).}}
** {{nerf|Additionally, it always deals {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|15}}/{{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|13}} (early/late), and has consistent knockback growth (98/96 KBG) compared to Kirby's variable hitboxes with a sweetspot.}}
** {{buff|Forward smash's clean hit has higher base knockback (38 → 45), improving the move's safety on hit at low percents, and its KO potential.}}
** {{buff|Forward smash has higher base knockback on the early hit (38 → 45), which makes it a frame safer on shield (-31f compared to -32f/-33f).}}
** {{change|Forward smash has consistent launch angles (~40°/~73° spanning 3 hitboxes → 361°/75°), with the clean hit using the Sakurai Angle.}}
** {{change|Forward smash has different and consistent launch angles (~40°/~73° spanning 3 hitboxes → 361°/75°), giving [[Sakurai angle]] access, making it launch at more favourable angles at lower percentages. However, it will, generally, [[KO]] later.}}
* {{nerf|Up smash lacks foot [[intangibility]], making it a worse anti-air.}}
* {{nerf|Up smash lacks foot [[intangibility]], making it a worse anti-air.}}
* {{nerf|Up smash's clean sourspot deals 1% less damage ({{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|14}} → {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|13}}).}}
* {{nerf|Up smash's weaker clean hitbox deals 1% less damage ({{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|14}} → {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|13}}.}}
* {{nerf|Up smash's clean sweetspot has less base knockback (34 → 30).}}
* {{nerf|Up smash's entire clean hitbox has consistent base knockback, but is overall lower (34/30 → 30). It's also consistently worse on shield.}}
*{{nerf|Up smash is much more vulnerable to low-profiling.}}
* {{buff|Up smash's late hit deals more damage (12%/11% → 13%/12%).}}
* {{buff|Up smash's late hit deals more damage (12%/11% → 13%/12%).}}
* {{nerf|Down smash lacks foot [[intangibility]].}}
* {{nerf|Down smash lacks foot [[intangibility]].}}
* {{nerf|Down smash's clean hit deals less damage ({{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|14}} → {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|13}}).}}
* {{nerf|Down smash's clean hit deals less damage ({{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|14}} → {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBB|15}}).}}
* {{buff|Down smash's late hit lasts 2 frames longer (15-22 → 15-24), making it better on the ledge.}}
* {{buff|Down smash's late hit lasts 2 frames longer (15-22 → 15-24), making it better on the ledge.}}
* {{nerf|Down smash has less knockback growth on the sourspot hitboxes (85 → 80).}}
* {{nerf|Down smash has less knockback growth on the sourspot hitboxes (85 → 80).}}
* {{change|Green Alloy has a clone of {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}'s forward throw.}}
** {{nerf|It deals 2% less damage in the pre-throw state (5% → 3%).}}
* {{change|Green Alloy has a clone of {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}'s up throw.}}
** {{change|It's [[weight]] independent, having consistent endlag as a result, with a FAF of 42.}}
** {{buff|It throws on an earlier frame (9f → 11f).}}
** {{buff|It has decreased base knockback, but much more knockback growth (BKB: 110 → 70, KBG: 30 → 70).}}


===Aerial attacks===
===Aerial attacks===
* {{nerf|Green Alloy cannot [[air dodge]].}}
* {{nerf|All of Green Alloy's aerial attacks have 40 frames of landing lag, making them terrible on shield and reducing follow-up potential.}}
* {{nerf|All of Green Alloy's aerial attacks have 40 frames of landing lag, making them terrible on shield and reducing follow-up potential.}}
* {{nerf|All of Green Alloy's aerial attacks have worse FAFs (NAir: 73 → 80, FAir: 44 → 50, BAir: 41 → 44, UAir: 40 → 48, DAir: 55 → 60).}}
* {{nerf|All of Green Alloy's aerial attacks have worse FAFs (NAir: 73 → 80, FAir: 44 → 50, BAir: 41 → 44, UAir: 40 → 48, DAir: 55 → 60).}}
** {{buff|However, forward aerial and back aerial autocancel sooner (41+ → 38+, 22+ → 21+).}}
** {{buff|However, forward aerial and back aerial autocancel sooner (41+ → 38+, 22+ → 21+).}}
* {{buff|Forward aerial does more damage (4%/3%/5% → 5%/3%/6%, 12% (total) → 14%), though with knockback mostly compensated on the final hit (scaling: 138 → 130).}}
* {{change|Forward aerial does more damage (4%/3%/5% → 5%/3%/6%), but the last hit has worse knockback growth (138 → 130).}}
* {{nerf|Back aerial has slightly less knockback growth (105 (clean)/110 (late) → 103/100).}}
* {{nerf|Back aerial has slightly less knockback growth on the early and late hits (105/110 → 103/100).}}
* {{change|Up aerial now sends at the [[Sakurai angle]] (70° → 361°).}}
* {{buff|Up aerial now sends at the [[Sakurai angle]] (70° → 361°), making it much stronger off-stage.}}
* {{buff|Up aerial deals 1% more damage (10% → 11%) and has increased base knockback and knockback growth (BKB: 20 → 30, KBG: 98 → 105), making it a much more potent [[KO]] move.}}
* {{buff|Up aerial deals 1% more damage (10% → 11%) and has increased base knockback and knockback growth (BKB: 20 → 30, KBG: 98 → 105), making it a [[KO]] move.}}
* {{nerf|Up aerial has a frame less hitbox activity (10-15 → 10-14), causing it to not hit below or behind Green Alloy.}}
* {{nerf|Up aerial has a frame less hitbox activity (10-15 → 10-14), causing it to not hit below or behind Green Alloy.}}
* {{nerf|Down aerial has slightly worse knockback growth on the multi-hits (107 → 100).}}
* {{nerf|Down aerial has slightly worse knockback growth on the multi-hits (107 → 100).}}
===Grab attacks===
* {{change|Green Alloy uses {{SSBB|Jigglypuff}}'s forward throw animation, but with damage adjusted to match Kirby's.}}
* {{change|Green Alloy uses Jigglypuff's up throw animation, but with Kirby's knockback values.}}
* {{buff|Green Alloy's up throw launches at 90˚, like Kirby's did in ''Melee''. Additionally, due to the new animation, it releases opponents higher up. These changes grant it improved KO potential without platforms.}}
*{{nerf|However, Green Alloy cannot use the throw below platforms to land on top of the platform and launch opponents from higher up.}}
*{{change|Green Alloy uses Jigglypuff's back throw animation, but with the damage and knockback of Kirby's back throw.}}


==Moveset==
==Moveset==
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===Stats===
{{technical data|Needs full hop, short hop and double jump heights, as well as air friction.}}
{{Attributes
|cast      = 39
|weight    = 98
|rweight    = 17
|dash      = 1.5
|rdash      = 14-21
|run        = 1.5
|rrun      = 17-20
|walk      = 1.1
|rwalk      = 17-19
|trac      = 0.06
|rtrac      = 11-16
|airfric    = ?
|rairfric  = ?
|air        = 0.94
|rair      = 19-21
|baseaccel  = 0.01
|rbaseaccel = 7-36
|addaccel  = 0.08
|raddaccel  = 10-17
|gravity    = 0.075
|rgravity  = 24-25
|fall      = 1.28
|rfall      = 28-29
|ff        = 1.792
|rff        = 30
|jumpsquat  = 5
|rjumpsquat = 11-26
|jumpheight = ?
|rjumpheight= ?
|shorthop  = ?
|rshorthop  = ?
|djump      = ?
|rdjump    = ?
|ellag      = 3
|rellag    = 1-29
}}
}}


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