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===Limits on grabbing=== | ===Limits on grabbing=== | ||
[[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb|300px|An example of a grab failing to connect despite appearing as though it should connect, due to Mr. Game & Watch's arms and hands being ungrabbable]] | [[File:GW Ungrabbable SSBU.jpg|thumb|300px|An example of a grab failing to connect despite appearing as though it should connect, due to Mr. Game & Watch's arms and hands being ungrabbable]] | ||
In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for | In all games, most characters cannot be grabbed by less central parts of their bodies, such as lower arms, legs, or tails, which can lead to some unusual results against characters with extreme proportions. This varies depending on character; for instance, in ''Melee'', all of Kirby's hurtboxes can be grabbed, but only Jigglypuff's body is grabbable, while its hands, feet and hair curl are not.<ref>https://twitter.com/UnclePunch_/status/1166922159542980608</ref> From ''Brawl'' onward, ungrabbable limbs tend to be only arms, with a few exceptions. Furthermore, from ''Brawl'' onward, characters cannot grab opponents behind them, even if the grab [[hitbox]]es connect with a grabbable part of their body that extends in front of them; this is unlike in ''Melee'', where not only this is possible, but certain dash grabs have some grabboxes intentionally placed behind the user. | ||
A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | A particular character can grab only one opponent at once, and similarly, neither the user nor the victim can be grabbed by another character before the grab ends. Prior to ''Ultimate'', the [[Ice Climbers]] are able to grab two opponents at once, with each climber grabbing one opponent. In ''Melee'', Nana becomes [[CPU]]-controlled when grabbing an opponent, whereas in ''Brawl'', she can be controlled by the player during the grab, enabling [[zero-to-death combo]]s as each Ice Climber regrabs the opponent immediately after the partner's throw. In ''Ultimate'', Nana cannot grab at all, nor act while Popo is grabbing and throwing an opponent. | ||
Characters cannot use their grabs while holding an [[item]]; attempting to input one will cause them to drop or [[item throw|throw the item]] first. In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', characters gain invulnerability to grabs for around one second after being released from them (70 and 60 [[frame]]s, respectively), preventing chaingrabs and [[team wobble]]s. In ''Ultimate'', this is indicated by the released character flashing yellow | Characters cannot use their grabs while holding an [[item]]; attempting to input one will cause them to drop or [[item throw|throw the item]] first. In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'', characters gain invulnerability to grabs for around one second after being released from them (70 and 60 [[frame]]s, respectively), preventing chaingrabs and [[team wobble]]s. In ''Ultimate'', this is indicated by the released character flashing yellow whilst the grab invulnerability is active. | ||
While non-playable characters such as [[Metal Mario]] (in ''Smash 64'') and [[Fighting Wire Frames]] can be grabbed, [[boss]]es such as [[Master Hand]] and [[Giga Bowser]] cannot. Most enemies in ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Subspace Emissary]] and {{for3ds}}'s [[Smash Run]] (including the enemies inside [[Master Fortress]] in {{forwiiu}}) can be grabbed, usually those with a comparable size to the playable characters. However, in ''Brawl'', they cannot be held, grab released, or pummeled, instead causing the character to immediately throw them in the direction the control stick is held when the grab connects (forward throw by default). In ''Ultimate'', most but not all [[Assist Trophies]] can be grabbed. In ''Melee'', grabbing enemies in [[Adventure Mode]] instead allows characters to carry them like heavy items. | While non-playable characters such as [[Metal Mario]] (in ''Smash 64'') and [[Fighting Wire Frames]] can be grabbed, [[boss]]es such as [[Master Hand]] and [[Giga Bowser]] cannot. Most enemies in ''Brawl''{{'}}s [[Subspace Emissary]] and {{for3ds}}'s [[Smash Run]] (including the enemies inside [[Master Fortress]] in {{forwiiu}}) can be grabbed, usually those with a comparable size to the playable characters. However, in ''Brawl'', they cannot be held, grab released, or pummeled, instead causing the character to immediately throw them in the direction the control stick is held when the grab connects (forward throw by default). In ''Ultimate'', most but not all [[Assist Trophies]] can be grabbed. In ''Melee'', grabbing enemies in [[Adventure Mode]] instead allows characters to carry them like heavy items. | ||
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*If the grabbed opponent is hit instead, and not the grabber, they can [[armor]] through the attack and remain in their grab hold animation until they take above a certain amount of damage. Otherwise, they are released from the grab and launched by the attack as usual, while the grabber goes into their grab release animation. | *If the grabbed opponent is hit instead, and not the grabber, they can [[armor]] through the attack and remain in their grab hold animation until they take above a certain amount of damage. Otherwise, they are released from the grab and launched by the attack as usual, while the grabber goes into their grab release animation. | ||
**In ''Smash 64'' and ''Melee'', grabbed opponents take half damage from external attacks, and break free if the attack deals at least 6% with this reduction factored in. Hitting them repeatedly with attacks that deal less damage does not release them, even if their accumulated damage is much greater than the threshold; as a result, continuous weak attacks can be particularly effective for racking up damage on them. Additionally, in ''Melee'', hitting a grabbed opponent puts them in their grab flinch animation for 20 [[frame]]s, during which they cannot escape; exploiting this feature is what enables [[wobbling]]. | **In ''Smash 64'' and ''Melee'', grabbed opponents take half damage from external attacks, and break free if the attack deals at least 6% with this reduction factored in. Hitting them repeatedly with attacks that deal less damage does not release them, even if their accumulated damage is much greater than the threshold; as a result, continuous weak attacks can be particularly effective for racking up damage on them. Additionally, in ''Melee'', hitting a grabbed opponent puts them in their grab flinch animation for 20 [[frame]]s, during which they cannot escape; exploiting this feature is what enables [[wobbling]]. | ||
**From ''Brawl'' onward, grabbed opponents no longer take half damage from external attacks, and they are released if they take at least 10% damage total, rather than from a | **From ''Brawl'' onward, grabbed opponents no longer take half damage from external attacks, and they are released if they take at least 10% damage total, rather than from a singular attack. This causes them to escape much more easily, weakening the effectiveness of attacking an opponent while another character holds them in a grab. They are also no longer put in their grab flinch animation, preventing wobbling or any similar techniques. | ||
===Interaction with other hitboxes=== | ===Interaction with other hitboxes=== | ||
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|[[Charizard]]||Lunges forward for a bite alongside an extra hold with its arms.||Standard | |[[Charizard]]||Lunges forward for a bite alongside an extra hold with its arms.||Standard | ||
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|[[Dark Samus]]||Whips forwards with her Grapple Beam.||Tether | |[[Dark Samus]]||Whips forwards with her Grapple Beam.||Tether | ||
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*In NTSC versions of ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Samus}}' grab can be extended to almost two and a half times its usual length using [[Extended Grapple|a special input combination]]. When this is done, her grapple beam also homes in on enemies if the L button is held, being the only tether grab able to do so, but only grabs enemies if the A button is pressed when the tip connects, and still cannot affect aerial opponents. This affects both her normal grab and dash grab, though not her grab aerial. | *In NTSC versions of ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Samus}}' grab can be extended to almost two and a half times its usual length using [[Extended Grapple|a special input combination]]. When this is done, her grapple beam also homes in on enemies if the L button is held, being the only tether grab able to do so, but only grabs enemies if the A button is pressed when the tip connects, and still cannot affect aerial opponents. This affects both her normal grab and dash grab, though not her grab aerial. | ||
*In ''Smash 4'', {{SSB4|Pac-Man}}'s grab appears to be one continuous beam; however, it actually projects three short-lived grabboxes, one after another in front of him, each one further outwards than the last. Because of these blindspots and its heavy ending lag, the move is infamous for its unreliability and high risk. In ''Ultimate'', its hitboxes were reworked to be larger and more continuous, while its ending lag was reduced, making it more reliable and allowing it to beat out [[spot dodge]]s more effectively. | *In ''Smash 4'', {{SSB4|Pac-Man}}'s grab appears to be one continuous beam; however, it actually projects three short-lived grabboxes, one after another in front of him, each one further outwards than the last. Because of these blindspots and its heavy ending lag, the move is infamous for its unreliability and high risk. In ''Ultimate'', its hitboxes were reworked to be larger and more continuous, while its ending lag was reduced, making it more reliable and allowing it to beat out [[spot dodge]]s more effectively. | ||
*In ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Marth}}'s standing grab is notorious for its deceptively long range, reaching the | *In ''Melee'', {{SSBM|Marth}}'s standing grab is notorious for its deceptively long range, reaching the farthest out of all non-extended grabs.<!--Please don't add that it outranges Yoshi's grab; it only beats Yoshi in that comparison gif because of his nose hurtbox.--> Its range has since been reduced in later games, though it remains above-average in ''Brawl''. | ||
**Likewise, {{SSBB|Olimar}}'s grabs in ''Brawl'', despite being extended, have only as much ending lag as regular grabs, making them extremely difficult to punish while carrying comparatively much lower risk. From ''Smash 4'' onward, their ending lag was significantly increased to be closer to other extended grabs, though his pivot grab remained exceptionally quick until ''Ultimate''. | **Likewise, {{SSBB|Olimar}}'s grabs in ''Brawl'', despite being extended, have only as much ending lag as regular grabs, making them extremely difficult to punish while carrying comparatively much lower risk. From ''Smash 4'' onward, their ending lag was significantly increased to be closer to other extended grabs, though his pivot grab remained exceptionally quick until ''Ultimate''. | ||
**{{SSB4|Bowser}}'s pivot grab in ''Smash 4'' is infamous for similar reasons, being capable of grabbing characters from unnaturally long distances in combination with hurtbox shifting. Its range was reduced in ''Ultimate'', though it remains one of the farthest reaching grabs in the game. | **{{SSB4|Bowser}}'s pivot grab in ''Smash 4'' is infamous for similar reasons, being capable of grabbing characters from unnaturally long distances in combination with hurtbox shifting. Its range was reduced in ''Ultimate'', though it remains one of the farthest reaching grabs in the game. | ||
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===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | ||
[[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose | [[File:MarthAndYoshiGrabRange.gif|thumb|{{SSBM|Yoshi}}'s grab range compared to {{SSBM|Marth}}'s. Note that Marth's grab only succeeds due the large [[hurtbox]] of Yoshi's nose.]] | ||
''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> Marth has a better grab by comparison due to its better disjoint compared to his smaller size despite having less range overall (which is further complimented by its superior speed). | ''Melee'' grab ranges by character according to Zeckemyro and SuperSqank.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376977622123560964</ref> This testing is done by calculating the distance between bone 0 (the character's position) and the tip of the furthest grabbox. While Bowser and Yoshi have higher grab ranges than Marth (who was thought to have the longest non-tether grab in the game), this is only because the long range of their grabboxes was made to fit their larger bodies.<ref>https://twitter.com/Zeckemyro/status/1376911520010010628</ref> Marth has a better grab by comparison due to its better disjoint compared to his smaller size despite having less range overall (which is further complimented by its superior speed). | ||
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*{{buff|{{SSBU|Luigi}}'s standing and pivot grabs were given a longer duration (6 frames → 7) to match dash grab.}} | *{{buff|{{SSBU|Luigi}}'s standing and pivot grabs were given a longer duration (6 frames → 7) to match dash grab.}} | ||
====={{SSBU|3.0.0}}===== | ====={{SSBU|3.0.0}}===== | ||
*{{buff|The grounded-only grabboxes of the dash grabs of {{SSBU|Marth}}, {{SSBU|Lucina}}, {{SSBU|Roy}} and {{SSBU|Chrom}} were made bigger (2.6u → 3.0u) and placed higher (Y offsets: 7.0 → 7.25). This notably prevents them from missing a shielding {{SSBU|R.O.B.}}}} | *{{buff|The grounded-only grabboxes of the dash grabs of {{SSBU|Marth}}, {{SSBU|Lucina}}, {{SSBU|Roy}} and {{SSBU|Chrom}} were made bigger (2.6u → 3.0u) and placed higher (Y offsets: 7.0 → 7.25). This notably prevents them from missing a shielding {{SSBU|R.O.B.}}.}} | ||
====={{SSBU|3.1.0}}===== | ====={{SSBU|3.1.0}}===== | ||
*{{buff|{{SSBU|Pikachu}}'s standing grab was given more range (11.0u → 11.9u).}} | *{{buff|{{SSBU|Pikachu}}'s standing grab was given more range (11.0u → 11.9u).}} | ||
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==Trivia== | ==Trivia== | ||
*Only two characters in the series – [[Luigi]] and [[Link]] – have had their grab type outright changed, with Link's grab changing from tether to standard, and Luigi's grab changing from standard to tether. Both of these changes occurred in ''Ultimate''. | *Only two characters in the series – [[Luigi]] and [[Link]] – have had their grab type outright changed, with Link's grab changing from tether to standard, and Luigi's grab changing from standard to tether. Both of these changes occurred in ''Ultimate''. | ||
*In ''Melee'', characters hanging on [[ledge]]s cannot be grabbed, but in every other game they can. This can be done if a certain character's grab animation is low enough to be able to grab a character hanging from a ledge if the latter character's head is above the ledge. An example video for ''SSB4'' can be seen [https:// | *In ''Melee'', characters hanging on [[ledge]]s cannot be grabbed, but in every other game they can. This can be done if a certain character's grab animation is low enough to be able to grab a character hanging from a ledge if the latter character's head is above the ledge. An example video for ''SSB4'' can be seen [https://youtube.com/watch?v=n1bnkhmTbgI here]. Example for ''SSB'' can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jb8ka0SJE here] | ||
*Grabs are the only non-special moves to not cause the player's controller to [[rumble]] (should the feature be turned on) when used, only doing so if the grab connects with an opponent. | *Grabs are the only non-special moves to not cause the player's controller to [[rumble]] (should the feature be turned on) when used, only doing so if the grab connects with an opponent. | ||
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*[[Jump-canceled grab]] | *[[Jump-canceled grab]] | ||
*[[Shield grab]] | *[[Shield grab]] | ||
==References== | ==References== |