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In general, there seems to be a disagreement on how special move pages should be handled. [[SmashWiki talk:SmashWiki is not official#Special move names|I attempted to remedy part of this a while back]], to no avail, but with recent information, I'd not only like to reignite the discussion, but cement how we should go about this with what we currently have and what we will have in the future. | In general, there seems to be a disagreement on how special move pages should be handled. [[SmashWiki talk:SmashWiki is not official#Special move names|I attempted to remedy part of this a while back]], to no avail, but with recent information, I'd not only like to reignite the discussion, but cement how we should go about this with what we currently have and what we will have in the future. | ||
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Thank you. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:12, January 12, 2021 (EST) | Thank you. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 12:12, January 12, 2021 (EST) | ||
==Support== | ==Support== | ||
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#:The "updated page names" refers to moves that have gained different names in Ultimate from Smash 4, not in regards to the slashes. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:03, January 13, 2021 (EST) | #:The "updated page names" refers to moves that have gained different names in Ultimate from Smash 4, not in regards to the slashes. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:03, January 13, 2021 (EST) | ||
#::Oh, okay. My bad. Well, I support that too, anyway. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 21:11, January 13, 2021 (EST) | #::Oh, okay. My bad. Well, I support that too, anyway. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 21:11, January 13, 2021 (EST) | ||
===No slashes=== | ===No slashes=== | ||
#We should split the pages that have slashes. Many of them are totally different moves and slashes in page titles could make accidental subpages. Just because it has the same controller input doesn't make it the same move. Fighters already get subpages for every controller input, so [[Egg Firing / Breegull Blaster]] can be covered together in [[Banjo & Kazooie (SSBU)/Neutral Special]] while the page on the moves themselves should be split. [[Mine / Craft / Create Block]] covers '''three''' moves, so they should definitely split. Min Min's [[Punch]] is both her neutral special and side special and it still has only one article, so following that example, the special move pages should be about the move itself and not the input. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 00:15, February 19, 2021 (EST) | #We should split the pages that have slashes. Many of them are totally different moves and slashes in page titles could make accidental subpages. Just because it has the same controller input doesn't make it the same move. Fighters already get subpages for every controller input, so [[Egg Firing / Breegull Blaster]] can be covered together in [[Banjo & Kazooie (SSBU)/Neutral Special]] while the page on the moves themselves should be split. [[Mine / Craft / Create Block]] covers '''three''' moves, so they should definitely split. Min Min's [[Punch]] is both her neutral special and side special and it still has only one article, so following that example, the special move pages should be about the move itself and not the input. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 00:15, February 19, 2021 (EST) | ||
==Oppose== | ==Oppose== | ||
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#Keep the slashes for moves, but I also feel like we should be using the official move name for all but the most extreme of cases where a fan name eclipses the official name. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 16:44, February 20, 2021 (EST) | #Keep the slashes for moves, but I also feel like we should be using the official move name for all but the most extreme of cases where a fan name eclipses the official name. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 16:44, February 20, 2021 (EST) | ||
#I believe we should make the pages match the names in the Move List, as fan terms aren't very often used, especially not for the names in the slashes with them. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 17:34, February 20, 2021 (EST) | #I believe we should make the pages match the names in the Move List, as fan terms aren't very often used, especially not for the names in the slashes with them. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 17:34, February 20, 2021 (EST) | ||
==Neutral== | ==Neutral== | ||
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===No slashes=== | ===No slashes=== | ||
#There's at least three different situations here: a move that can be upgraded, a move that acts differently based on situation, and two entirely different moves in the same slot. These should probably all have different standards, and I'd argue that determining them on a case-by-case basis is necessary, rather than having a hard-and-fast rule.<br/>I should also point out that splitting any moves may involve a decent chunk of work on the template side, because currently the entire wiki assumes that each special move slot can only have one page. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Breegull 17:01, February 20, 2021 (EST) | #There's at least three different situations here: a move that can be upgraded, a move that acts differently based on situation, and two entirely different moves in the same slot. These should probably all have different standards, and I'd argue that determining them on a case-by-case basis is necessary, rather than having a hard-and-fast rule.<br/>I should also point out that splitting any moves may involve a decent chunk of work on the template side, because currently the entire wiki assumes that each special move slot can only have one page. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Breegull 17:01, February 20, 2021 (EST) | ||
==Comments== | ==Comments== | ||
If we don't end up keeping any of the page titles with slashes, my thought is that we should split them all up. For example, for Joker's down-B there would be 2-3 separate pages - one for Rebel's Guard, and either one for Tetrakarn and one for Makarakarn or a single page for both of the latter moves (though I suppose that would require a slash as well). [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 21:29, January 12, 2021 (EST) | |||