Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

=Show Your Support=
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
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==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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=Suggestions=

==[[Rocketbarrel Barrage]] vs. [[Super Dragon]]==
Both are [[Final Smash]]es that have the user fly through the sky and fire projectiles at the competition. Which aerial assault soars higher in terms of popularity? [[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 18:12, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
# [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 18:20, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
# [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 11:26, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Blue 15:19, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
#Two simular final smashes, diffrent styles. Perfect![[Special:Contributions/82.225.106.36|82.225.106.36]] 19:20, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

===Oppose===

===Comments===

==Melee's Adventure Mode vs. Subspace Emissary==

The Adventure Modes for Melee and Brawl go head to head. Which is a better adventure? [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 10:59, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#The funny thing is, I considered suggesting this at some point in the future. This is one match I would like to see happen.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 11:03, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Mr. Saturn 11:10, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
# [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 11:27, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#"YESSSSSSSS!" — Captain Falcon <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=#008000>D<font color=#008019>o<font color=#008031>c<font color=#008049>t<font color=#008062>o<font color=#008080>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span> 12:31, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#I'd say yes, but I think what the outcome would be :S ----- [[User:Conanshinichi|Conan]][[User talk:Conanshinichi|shinichi]]  17:15, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
# i support is vs battle because i want to see a fight[[User:Smash x 5432|Smash X 5432]] ([[User talk:Smash x 5432|talk]]) 17:53, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

===Oppose===

===Comments===

==Falco vs. Marth==

Both of these characters have been high on the tier list and have had great tournament results in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. It's time to see which one is more liked. [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 11:31, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#You guys do realize that these two have been successful in tournaments for the last two Smash Bros. games. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The StarCraft 14:33, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#I don't really see the similarities between these two. There are more characters with outstanding tournament results. [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 11:54, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
#I agree with 173.79.214.38. There's pretty much nothing that the characters have in common, and impressive tournament results aren't really notable when multiple characters have achieved such a thing.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 12:31, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
What I was trying to say is that they've been successful in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. All the other top tiers from ''Melee'' were nerfed; while some of them do well in ''Brawl'' tournaments, they didn't stay very high on the tier list like Falco and Marth did. [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 12:33, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

True, but if you look at the [[Ice Climbers]], you'll notice that they also have achived strong tournament results in Melee and Brawl, just like Marth and Falco. Also, [[Pikachu]] has earned rather good tournament results in two of the three games that came out as of now, much like the three characters I just mentioned. As a result, I would feel that this battle would be a bit more interesting if you included the Ice Climbers and Pikachu, since they did well in at least two games as of now. Of course, you don't have to accept my idea if you don't want to, and, even then, I would rather see what others think of my idea before you accept it. Sorry for my relatively long comment, but I just wanted to explain things and help with your suggestion a bit.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 12:51, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

:Well yeah the ICs do well in both, but I wanted it to be just two characters. Pikachu isn't seen that much in ''Melee'' tournaments, the only player that does really well with him in ''Melee'' is {{Sm|Axe}}. Also, he was the only Pikachu player to make it into the [[Apex 2013]] bracket. Also, Falco and Marth have been strong in tournaments for pretty much all of ''Melee'''s lifespan (and ''Brawl'' too), while the ICs in ''Melee'' were only considered around average from 2003-2005 before [[Wobbling]] appeared. [[User:Scr7|Scr]][[User talk:Scr7|7]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] 13:24, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

I see. Well, if you want only two characters in this match, I'll let you go with that decision. I just wanted to give a few ideas to see if you liked them. I will admit, Pikachu is perhaps my more questionable suggestion for the match, as it is considered quite good in Brawl and the original Smash Bros. but more in the middle in Melee, unlike Marth, Falco, and the Ice Climbers.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 14:22, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

==[[Ancient Minister]] vs. [[R.O.B.]]==

The alternate version R.O.B. is coming to the Smash Arena! Which version is liked more? The original or the disguised version? [[User:Kirbyman|Kirbyman]] ([[User talk:Kirbyman|talk]]) 15:15, 6 July 2013 (EDT) 

===Support===

===Oppose===
#They are the exact same person, only with different names and appearance.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 20:25, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 05:35, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
@IP 71: [[SmashWiki is not spoiler-safe]]. Brawl been out for five years now and pretty much everyone knows the spoiler content in it. There's no need to hide or "apologise" for spoilers here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:08, 7 July 2013 (EDT)

==[[Tingle]] vs. [[Togepi]]==

Two of Brawl's assist characters with random abilities. Who will win with a variety of moves, the assist trophy character, or the pokeball pokemon? [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 18:14, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#If we are doing this from a Brawl perspective, I like the match. If it's the series as a whole, however, I would like [[Clefairy]] to be included as well.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 20:44, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
#I think he meant it as a ''Brawl'' thing, but either way I like this idea. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]]</span> 22:10, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

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===Comments===


==<NONE> vs. <Sheik>==

<NONE had a pretty good disguise as Sheik in Melee, but what will happen when it matches up against the girl it was disguised as? > [[User:Multus Valde|Multus Valde]] ([[User talk:Multus Valde|talk]]) 04:38, 21 July 2013 (EDT)Multus_Valde

===Support===

===Oppose===
#To me, this one doesn't make sense.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 11:18, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
#What's this supposed to mean? [[User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) 11:20, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
#First, this doesn't make sense at all. Second, in the future, you can take off the < >, they are just used to show where to put the text in. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]]</span> 11:21, 21 July 2013 (EDT)
#Why should a playable character be against the "No Entrant" message? [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 11:24, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
NONE is the "No Entrant" thingy that shows up on the results screen if there aren't 4 players... I think. [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font><font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font><font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/Scr7]] 11:25, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

==Mario VS Sonic==

The Classic Battle of Nintendo VS Sega. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:76.106.220.55|76.106.220.55]] ([[User talk:76.106.220.55|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.106.220.55|contribs]]) 18:21, 21 July 2013 (EDT)</small>  
===Support===

===Oppose===
#Been there, done that, not tied, not even close. [[User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) 18:03, 21 July 2013 (EDT)

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