Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

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To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
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==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

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=Suggestions=

==[[Olimar (SSBB)|Olimar]] vs. [[Pokemon Trainer (SSBB)|Pokemon Trainer]]==
Two smashers who team up with alternate species to win brawls. Will Pokemon or Pikmin prevail?? [[User:SmashBall104|SmashBall the Burger]] ([[User talk:SmashBall104|talk]]) 11:25, 14 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
# That's a good enough similarity for me.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 17:43, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
# [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 20:07, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
#That's a pretty nice one. Both of the creatures fight for their masters. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Operator 00:44, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
#A very great similarity between the two. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 13:38, 19 May 2013 (EDT)
# <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 16:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
# [[Special:Contributions/84.92.35.200|84.92.35.200]] 11:06, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

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==[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IEkFhfiRR8 Victory Themes (SSB)] vs. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs9x6BBpcj0 Victory Themes (SSBM)] vs. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dATg1Cfg4c Victory Themes (SSBB)]==
Which group of fanfares will win? Will it be from SSB, Melee, or Brawl? <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:01, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#i believe that this will be a good chance to see what people think of the victory themes [[User:RoyalRapids|RoyalRapids]] ([[User talk:RoyalRapids|talk]]) 21:50, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
#What RoyalRapids said. [[User:Baconlover9090|Baconlover9090]] ([[User talk:Baconlover9090|talk]]) 21:52, 18 May 2013 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#Too general, there could be some really good ones, but also some really bad ones as well in the same game, therefore making it hard to judge which is better. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 17:57, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
#As Ac2k said, it's too general. I will admit, it's a very creative idea, though.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 22:36, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
#Since its too general, there's so many  themes to like and not to like. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Operator 00:44, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
#This is way too general to be a fight. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 13:38, 19 May 2013 (EDT)
#They're similar from game to game. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 16:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
#I have nothing against music battles, but like Dr. Pain said, there isn't enough difference between them to make this an interesting fight. Maybe if you could narrow it down to a specific character's victory theme that has changed in each game (though I am not aware of any examples)? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:46, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Ganondorf]] vs. [[Mewtwo]]==

An epic showdown between two savage, unlockable player characters who can freely use attacks of darkness. Will victory go to the king of evil, Ganondorf, or the mighty Genetic Pokemon, Mewtwo?! [[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 19:23, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#That would be interesting. [[Special:Contributions/84.92.35.200|84.92.35.200]] 15:24, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
#One is the worst character in Brawl, another is one of the worst characters in Melee. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  15:43, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
# <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 16:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
#The biggest meansauces in video gaming. :P [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Scientist 18:22, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
#<span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 18:07, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

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== Sheik vs. Zero Suit Samus ==

Both of them are alternate forms of other characters and have similar playstyles, being very fast and agile, but not having many KO options. Who will be victorious? [[Special:Contributions/84.92.35.200|84.92.35.200]] 15:16, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#I suppose the original match was close enough to have a rematch.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 20:02, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
#They are both the alternate forms of other characters.[[User:Baconlover9090|Baconlover9090]] ([[User talk:Baconlover9090|talk]]) 16:28, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

===Oppose===
# I don't like rematches of a round with a victor [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 18:42, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
*Note: this fight has been done before, but more than 100 rounds ago. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  15:41, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
::I thought that that would be enough rounds. [[Special:Contributions/84.92.35.200|84.92.35.200]] 16:22, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
:::It is; he's just pointing it out. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 16:30, 27 May 2013 (EDT)

==Samus (SSB) vs. Kirby (SSBM) vs. Ganondorf (SSBB)==
Dead last in the tiers of each of the three games. Who's the best of the worst? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Goomba|Goomba]] ([[User talk:Goomba|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Goomba|contribs]]) 02:55, 30 May 2013 (EDT)</small>

===Support===
#I like that idea. Also, sign your comments using the four tidles. [[Special:Contributions/84.92.35.200|84.92.35.200]] 08:59, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
#I like the similarity. It gives us a chance to see who the most popular of the bottom-tier characters.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 21:36, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
#You can also add Melee Kirby to this match too. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Bullet 19:53, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

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Officially, Kirby is tied with Pichu for worst in Melee, and there seems to be more support among the community for Kirby being the true worst in Melee. As such, Melee Kirby should be added to this match. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:43, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
:Alright, changed Pichu to Kirby then. [[User:Goomba|Goomba]] ([[User talk:Goomba|talk]]) 21:25, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

==[[Captain Falcon]] vs. [[Zelda]]==

Both are represented by fighting wire frames and has powerful leg attacks. Who kicks more butt? [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 13:03, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

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#I personally don't see any similarities.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 21:33, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
#A match between the Wire Frames is more appropriate than using the characters they were cloned from. And we already had a match with the Knee vs the Lightning Kick, which are the only thing linking these two together. "Strong leg attacks" isn't really a notable attribute, when many characters have such. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:46, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
#The only similarity to them are powerful electric legs. Other than that, not really much to say. :P [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Bullet 19:53, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

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==[[Fountain of Dreams]] vs. [[Yoshi's Story]]==
Two stages with similar layouts, with some differences. For example, the side platforms from the Fountain of Dreams occasionally sink into the water, while Yoshi's Story will sometimes have a platform appear that can help recovering players. [[Special:Contributions/198.53.20.219|198.53.20.219]] 16:37, 31 May 2013 (EDT)

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==Link vs. Zelda vs. Ganondorf==

We have the three main characters of the Zelda series. Who will come out victorious: the hero, the princess, or the menace of Hyrule? [[User:Baconlover9090|Baconlover9090]] ([[User talk:Baconlover9090|talk]]) 21:33, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
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