Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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|<span style="font-size:125%">'''NOTE:'''</span> '''Suggestions are ''closed'''''.<br>You may continue to vote on open suggestions, but no new ones are allowed.
|}-->This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

=Show Your Support=
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
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==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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=Suggestions=
==[[Samus (SSBB)|Samus]] vs. [[Zelda (SSBB)|Zelda]]==
Samus Aran with her power suit, and Zelda in her normal form; the original versions of {{SSBB|Zero Suit Samus}} and {{SSBB|Sheik}} respectively. Both are floatier, slower, and less popular than their alternate forms and currently occupy the bottom of the [[Tier list#Brawl tier list|tier list]]. They utilize electric attacks in the form of [[Charge Shot|energy]] and [[Lightning Kick|magic]] as well as flame attacks in the form of [[Missile|explosives]] and [[Din's Fire|mystical fire]]. Which attribute unique to these femme fatales will win this match: Advanced weaponry or powerful sorcery? <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 02:47, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#I guess I'll go for it.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 09:49, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#A battle of the women seems fine to me. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="green">s</font>]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] The Zerg 13:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#It would be good to see a fight against them in their normal forms. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2013 (EST)

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===Comments===

==[[Project M]] vs [[Brawl-]]==
Both are prevalent smash mods in the smash community. Brawl- adds more emphasis to simply buffing the movesets in Brawl characters and keeps the physics similar to Brawl with extra hitstun reminiscent of the hitstun in SSB64. Project M seeks to "Meleefy" the sets of veteran characters and completely rewrite the sets of Brawl Newcomers to make them more applicable the melee environment. Which Smash mod will emerge victorious: Broken Brawl or Balanced Melee?--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 07:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#I don't see why a round devoted towards the mods wouldn't work for SA. In fact, I think it could prove to be a very interesting round. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 10:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#It would be great and interesting for two mods head-to-head on SA, why didn't we do this before? [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 13:07, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#A game much more balanced than SSB64 and Brawl vs. Brawl on steroids, seems interesting. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="green">s</font>]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] The Zerg 13:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Brawl+ vs. Brawl- would have been better in my opinion, but what the heck. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a Mr. Saturn. 16:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Good 'un, this [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:01, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#I'd leik to see it comin'. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 17:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Oppose===
#I don't think mods are very good for the SA. [[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/Shanicpower|Make it rain!]] 09:07, 5 January 2013 (EST)
===Comments===

==[[Captain Falcon]] vs [[Falcon Punch]]==
I've been thinking about this suggestion for a while. While I looked through the SA fights, I noticed that Falcon ALWAYS wins. I wondered why, And realised it was because of his meme, FALCON PUNCH!!! Then I came up with this. ''How popular would Falcon be without his meme?'' It struck me. This would be perfect for the SA, so all I need now is Support! [[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] [[Special:Contributions/Shanicpower|Make it rain!]] 09:07, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===

===Oppose===
#A character vs. his move. Doesn't see much worth.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 09:53, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Hmm, a character vs. '''''his own move'''''. Not really interesting. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 13:23, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Per above. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="green">s</font>]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] The Zerg 13:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#...Seriously? A character against HIS OWN MOVE?! <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a Mr. Saturn. 16:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Comments===
You CAN do Fire Jump Punch vs Falcon Punch. [[Special:Contributions/83.82.134.111|83.82.134.111]] 11:35, 5 January 2013 (EST)

==[[Super Mushroom]] vs [[Fire Flower]]==

Two of the most common items in the Mario series. Which is better? You choose! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 10:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===

===Oppose===

#Nah, the Fire Flower has basically the Super Mushroom's ability plus fireballs. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a Mr. Saturn. 16:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Comment===

==[[Fire Jump Punch]] vs. [[Falcon Punch]]==
The epic battle of the memefists! Who will win? The awkward fired jump, or the avian legend?[[Special:Contributions/83.82.134.111|83.82.134.111]] 11:41, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#I always wanted to see the punches duel it out.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 11:49, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#They're both specials, both punches, and both having {{color|red|t3h ph1r3!!!}} I like this fight already. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 13:07, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="green">s</font>]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] The Zerg 13:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 15:44, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Oppose===
#Seems one-sided. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Comments===

==[[Sector Z]] vs. [[Corneria]]==
Always the Great Fox, but does big beat small? Does space beat blue skies? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:44, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#That could be interesting.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 11:51, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="green">s</font>]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] The Zerg 13:18, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#I don't see why not. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a Mr. Saturn. 16:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Even if you don't put Venom, this will still be a great fight! [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 17:26, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Can't you add Venom? It's on the Great Fox, but a different angle. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 13:07, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:I thought about it, but decided I'd try to avoid a three-way, and I assumed Corneria vs. Venom had already been done. Apparently it hasn't. Perhaps this could be a three-way, we'll see what others say while I remain neutral. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 16:08, 5 January 2013 (EST)

==[[Samus]] vs. [[Pit]]==

Both of their debut games released the same day, but which one is better? The one from the sky, or the one from the underground? [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="black">2013 CE</font>]] 13:22, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#They are also made by the same team.[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 15:45, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Surprised this hasn't been done before. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:12, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Yes, but for the reason that they both fight space pirates and darker versions of themselves. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Oppose===
#Release dates aren't really a good basis for matches.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 13:33, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Comments===

==[[Samurai Goroh]] vs. [[Gray Fox]]==

Two Assist Trophies both skilled in the ancient arts, while both from worlds with futuristic technology. But will the super-speedy soldier score success? Or will the covert cyborg collect conquest? <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|{{Color|Navy|Air}}]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|{{Color|#007BA7|Conditioner}}]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a Mr. Saturn. 16:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#Another similarity; they're both overwhelmingly annoying. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 17:01, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#Cool fight! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 17:19, 5 January 2013 (EST)
#I like the alliteration. <span style="font-family:Impact">''[[User:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#CC5500">BRAWLS</span>]] [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]] OF [[File:BoFSig.png|19px]][[User talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color:#8A3324">FURY</span>]]''</span> 17:20, 5 January 2013 (EST)
===Oppose===

===Comments===

==[[Yoshi]] vs. [[Captain Falcon]]==

They both debuted in launch titles for the SNES. But which is better? <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 17:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===

===Oppose===
#.....and they aren't similar at all.--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 18:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Comments===

==[[PSI Magnet]] vs. [[Oil Panic]]==

Both are moves that absorb projectiles: one for defensive healing, the other for offensive stronger projectiles. Which one is the awesomer absorber? [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Support===
#Recovery vs. Power. The concept is familiar for some reason.... <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 18:46, 5 January 2013 (EST)

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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