Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote for your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking exceptional in order to be even considered - note that the only matchup so far with more than three participants was a special case - so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

=Show Your Support=
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== [[Giga Bowser]] vs. Giant Mario ==

The two enormous powerhouses from the final events of Melee and Brawl fight each other. Which one will be the Giga of the match? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">SuperGame</font><font color="green">and]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Watch</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 15:51, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#That would be interesting to see. Two giant rivals duking it out is always an entertaining match up. --[[User:GameWinter|GameWinter]] ([[User talk:GameWinter|talk]]) 17:16, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#It sucks--[[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#00ff80">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 03:09, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
#We already know who will win.  I had a tough time with Giga Bowser back at Melee, and I defeated Mario FIRST in the event. [[User:Headmaster Hand|Headmaster Hand]] ([[User talk:Headmaster Hand|talk]]) 18:38, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
#Nope. Sorry.[[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 15:19, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
#This will make it one sided. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|EarthBound]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:31, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
#Do we really need another Mario vs. Bowser, in any form? :\ '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 12:12, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
#The Cheese says: What AirConditioner said. [[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 12:34, 26 June 2012 (EDT)
#The Awesome follows The Cheese and The AirConditioner for this one. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  17:16, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
I need a pic of Giant Mario, if the Event 41 image isn't adequate. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">SuperGame</font><font color="green">and]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Watch</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 18:23, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

The one sided aspect is overlooked. Come on. It won't be that one sided. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 00:11, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
#I like the idea, but it might be too one-sided...so I'm '''neutral'''. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">DarkFox01</font>]] <small>[[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">T</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">C</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="gray">E</font>]]'''</small> 11:53, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
:Think about it. It's like a Mario vs. Bowser match, which is not one sided. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 12:07, 16 June 2012 (EDT)

==[[ReDead]] vs. [[Octorok]] vs. [[Like Like]]==
You see who they are: the zelda enemies of underground maze. But which one is your favorite?[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]]  13:25, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#It rocks--<font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 16:02, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea![[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:51, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
# This is good [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:orange;font-family:lucida sans">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;font-family:lucida sans">''Summer with Melee and Brawl''</font>]]  23:26, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
#Good idea! All in the Underground Maze! '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">DarkFox01</font>]] <small>[[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">T</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">C</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="gray">E</font>]]'''</small> 11:53, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
#It was a while ago we had enemies into a fight.[[Special:Contributions/90.129.142.218|90.129.142.218]] 13:05, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
#The Cheese says: Cool! [[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 12:36, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#It sucks--[[User:Bandit|'''''<font color="#0080ff">Bandit</font>''''']] 14:17, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
#@Bandit: srsly, come up with better than reasons than "It sucks." There's almost no reason for you to even vote if that's all you're going to say. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 23:41, 13 June 2012 (EDT)
::^Seriously, Avengingbandit, I'm not sure whether you have ever posted your own suggestions for fights, but when people oppose for no reason whatsoever, it is extremely annoying and frankly offensive. Worse, comments like this feel insulting, and will likely discourage people from making suggestions in the future. The purpose of this page is to allow people to put up their ideas. It's fine to give positive feedback, but acting like there is something wrong with people making suggestions is not acceptable. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:04, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
:::He just feels compelled to say it. His new standards are really unfair too if you ask me. Maybe every suggestion except Controller vs Controller will get an "It sucks" from now on. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 00:09, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
::::Remember that comments like "it rocks" are not very helpful either. Remember that the suggestions do not work based on a vote count. If Toomai likes them, they will appear in the Arena. As a result, your votes should probably have a good reason backing them. At the very least say something like "I agree with X". [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:16, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
::::Furthermore, from the rules: ''Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.'' [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:17, 14 June 2012 (EDT)
I will now change reasons for votes, <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 01:41, 14 June 2012 (EDT)

==[[Link]] vs. [[Samus]]==

The rematch for the two people is on!! Who will win the tiebreaker!!! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 08:27, 16 June 2012 (EDT) 

===Support===
#Let the rematch begin! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:56, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
#@Shanicpower: This was a 9-9 tie in Round 57. If we just wait for the queue to show up for 157, this would be a great rematch. Also: The two fighters in this suggestion have always been in the bottom tier [[List of SSB tier lists (NTSC)|in ''SSB'''s tier list]].
#This would be a really good rematch. Perhaps some minds have changed and we could have a victor next time. --[[User:GameWinter|GameWinter]] ([[User talk:GameWinter|talk]]) 14:14, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
#This is going to be a fun rematch!! [[Special:Contributions/205.189.194.201|205.189.194.201]] 20:21, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea!!!! [[Special:Contributions/38.116.192.103|38.116.192.103]] 11:56, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
#So now that the queue goes over 157, I will support this now that over 100 matches will have passed by the time this gets suggested. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 18:44, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
#It would be a good idea to have this suggestion in the Smash Arena now. [[Special:Contributions/32.60.95.57|32.60.95.57]] 16:52, 24 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per above.--[[User:Bandit|<font style="font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(254,100%,50%)">Bandit</font>]] 16:56, 27 June 2012 (EDT)
#Logic dictates that the results will be different this time- new voters, changes of opinion.

===Oppose===
#This happened on Round 57, so would be eligible if a few other matches here built up the numbers, Template:SA Queue shows up to Round 54 atm. But why bother? I don't want a rematch. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 08:56, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
#The only rematches that should be done is ties.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Oppose</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]]  10:53, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
#...Per Toast. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 12:12, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
Shanic Power, it is a tie. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:56, 16 June 2012 (EDT)
:Whoops, I rembered it wrong then. Sorry.[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 01:54, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
::Who posted vote 2 in the support section?[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|19px]] Fear the RAWK! 02:04, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

== [[Roy]] vs. [[Ike]] ==
The Fire Emblem characters are at it again after a tie! Who will finally win? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 12:50, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
===Support===
#Toast this is an interesting matchup. It would be a good idea to reintroduce it to the new users (like me and you). I'm pretty sure you did not vote for these matches even though you are rejecting them. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:orange;font-family:lucida sans">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;font-family:lucida sans">''Summer with Melee and Brawl''</font>]]  21:49, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
#Yes! It'll be fun to see if the Melee original beats the Brawl replacement this time around. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 16:58, 19 June 2012 (EDT)
#I'd like to see how this goes.--[[User:Bandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Bandit</font>''''']] 13:43, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
#It is a nice idea. I should've thought of this.[[Special:Contributions/174.69.215.145|174.69.215.145]] 21:57, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#Rematch. Bleh. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:11, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Fire]] vs. [[Spring Jump]]==

These Up-Specials quickly bounces you up from the ground (or the air). You can still attack after the move since it doesn't put you in a completely helpless state. Which will you vote up? [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 12:53, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#Actually, they're the only two up specials that involve using an item to bounce up (Sonic bounces on a spring, Game & Watch bounces up on a trampoline). I think this works. [[User:Dragonmience|Dragonmience]] ([[User talk:Dragonmience|talk]]) 01:18, 24 June 2012 (EDT)
===Oppose===
#This doesn't fit. Why? The only common thing is that you aren't helpless after using it. Other attacks have this trait. Try again. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 13:42, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
#It is not an interesting matchup. They are not very popular moves in themselves as as Roeh said the only similarity is the omitting of the helpless state, which in itself is not interesting. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:orange;font-family:lucida sans">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;font-family:lucida sans">''Summer with Melee and Brawl''</font>]]  21:45, 18 June 2012 (EDT)
#It sucks--[[User:Bandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Bandit</font>''''']] 13:43, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
#Too different. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 12:12, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
===Comments===

==[[Ganondorf]] vs. [[Crazy Hand]]==
The powerfull hands collide! One hand is embedded with the Triforce of Power and at the other hand, Crazy Hand is pure destruction. 
So the question is? Which left hand has the right hand?[[Special:Contributions/86.82.234.185|86.82.234.185]] 11:38, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#This battle is worthy of happening. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 11:42, 22 June 2012 (EDT) 
===Oppose===
#Too different to justify a fight--[[User:Bandit|'''''<font color="#ff0000">Bandit</font>''''']] 11:22, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per Bandit. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 12:12, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
#The Cheese says: Yeah, what they said. [[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 12:38, 26 June 2012 (EDT)
#I can see where you are coming from, but trying to piece together the connection is giving me a headache.[[User:ScoreCounter|ScoreCounter]] ([[User talk:ScoreCounter|talk]]) 17:13, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

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