Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote for your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary. Fights of more than three participants have to be exceptional in order to be selected, and will likely be reserved for special rounds, so don't try too hard to make one work.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

=Show Your Support=
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
<pre>
==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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=Suggestions=

==[[Landmaster|Landmaster (Fox)]] vs. [[Landmaster|Landmaster (Falco)]] vs. [[Landmaster|Landmaster (Wolf)]]==

Three Landmasters from different character of ''star fox'' fight together to find which final smash is the best. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 06:03, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#I support this. They all are similar with differences. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 13:05, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Toast is wrong, I definitely prefer Falco's over the others, and Fox's is easily the worst. If they were "too similar to write a vote in favor for", how can this be? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:49, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#This would be a very good match. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 14:28, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
# I would like to see how this does. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  21:38, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
#Since I previously suggested this one before and failed. I would like to have this match make a comeback. Don't say that the stuff I say are completely invalid, as I might actually be creative despite being autistic. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:01, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
#Could work, I suppose. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Its ok Ikeroks 20:34, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#It would be interesting to see which traits out of the three make the superior Landmaster. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 15:54, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#This was suggested before, and it was unanimously opposed. This is because these moves are simply too similar to write a vote in the favour of one Landmaster over another. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:46, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Per Toast. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">Fox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">01</font>]]''' 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
# The Cheese says I agree with Toast. [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 12:38, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What that IP said agreeing with DarkFox, which in turn was a concurrence with Toast. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No, no, no.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:08, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#What the opposition section mentions. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 19:30, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
You try to do my failed suggestion again. I question why it is getting slightly more support this time. :P [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 16:31, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

How about adding a archive about suggestions so that we look at failed suggestions so that we don't suggest it one more time?[[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 05:49, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:Failed suggestions should have second chances, as long as they're relatively far apart. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
::I just want to know what has been suggested before, not that we will not suggest it anymore. I also want to know why they failed so we can improve. [[User:Stranger1260|<font style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman">'''Stranger</font>]] [[User talk:Stranger1260|<font style="color:green;font-family:times new roman">'''1260'''</font>]] [[File:Master_Ball.png|20px]] 06:03, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

My suggestion is doing a lot more better than last time. I still question why though. Maybe I didn't explain it too well the last time but this resurggestion seems like its the same description and its now not immensely opposed unlike last time. Maybe I don't explain things too well and this one did explain well. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:28, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
:I think the issue with the first time that this fight was proposed was that you personally mentioned that it was a bad idea in the suggestion and opposed it yourself, as seen [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Forum:Suggestions&oldid=396641#Landmaster_.28Fox.29_vs._Landmaster_.28Falco.29_vs._Landmaster_.28Wolf.29 here]. I would recommend that you have more faith in yourself when you suggest a fight. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 15:45, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

== [[Meta Knight (SSBB)|Meta Knight]] vs. [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] ==

I can see this happening. While I guess Kirby and Sonic are a little different, Meta Knight and Shadow are very similar. They're on the edgier side, they don't express their emotions much, and are also huge rivals to the heroes (Kirby and Meta Knight are TOO rivals, deal with it!). Please do this! [[Special:Contributions/98.247.37.38|98.247.37.38]] 13:42, 27 May 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
===Oppose===
#Except you're wrong on several accounts. Shadow shows that he gets very very very emotional when he remembers Maria. He also forgets all but one thing in every other game he appears in. In addition, Meta Knight is not Kirby's rival. MK generally tries to assist Kirby in doing what he needs to do. Just like Kirby vs Sonic, it doesn't work. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 14:35, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Obvious fanboy attempt to get Shadow into the Smash Arena. If you're this desperate, have a long hard think about what can fight him, because these ideas are not the best. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 14:37, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Sorry, but no. '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="black">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">Fox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="red">01</font>]]''' 16:00, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#All that you said there was completely false. I'm very sorry that this isn't turning out but try finding facts before proving it. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 21:20, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
#Just not an engaging concept. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Ditto to Megatron <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:43, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What Shwido said. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It really isn't great Ikeroks 20:43, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
It's not a fanboy attempt! I'm not even a big Shadow fan! God! [[Special:Contributions/98.247.37.38|98.247.37.38]] 18:43, 27 May 2012 (EDT)
:The point is, there is no similarities. Toast did have no right to assume that you were a "fanboy" just because you suggested Shadow. But the two is are not similar. This won't get a lot of attention anyways, since they have no direct relation. Kirby vs. Meta Knight would be more appropriate and Shadow vs. Sonic has already been suggested. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:20, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
::I said what I did because both of your suggestions have Sonic characters in them. I also thought it was you that really wanted Sonic vs. Shadow, bgyut turns out the IPs are different. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:39, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

==[[Goomba]] vs. [[Waddle Dee]]==

The tiny soldiers against each other. [[Special:Contributions/117.225.230.25|117.225.230.25]] 09:58, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#This one has my support. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 10:57, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome![[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:14, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
# The Cheese says: I would love to see this happen. [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 12:42, 31 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese
#No problems here. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#[[Forum:Smash Arena/Archive V#Goomba vs. Waddle Dee|Sorry dude.]] [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:48, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
#If you can't read a link, this has already been done less than 100 rounds before. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:23, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#Another invalid request for a rematch. One of them lost, so what's the point? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:26, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Don't like it that much. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per Toast.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:11, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#Really don't see any reason for a rematch. It's not like it ended in a tie. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 16:01, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
Actually read the link yourself LightningBlue, this matchup was done on round 25, while the Smash Arena is on Round 139. Toast posted a link as he irrationally opposes all rematches. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:25, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:only noticed it was a recent match. I didn't give time for the page to load. Besides Toast is right. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  19:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
::How can it be a recent match if this was done on round 25? And Toast isn't right about anything here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:31, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
:::That was a tad unwieldy. Indeed I do oppose almost all rematches, just because they seem somewhat unoriginal. If a fight were to be replayed, I feel it should be a significant one, like Mario vs. Bowser, or Mewtwo vs. Lucario. This fight wasn't important enough to justify a rematch. Though the main reason behind the linking was because the user who suggested this fight seemed unaware of the fact this fight had already happened. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 05:00, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
::::If you're going to oppose based on "unoriginality", why not oppose the Flat Zone match, or all those "hero vs. villain" matches? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:50, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::They're maybe not original, but they would be fresh. A repeat match would not be fresh. And my point still stands that only a select few matches deserve a re-run. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:24, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
::::::What defines "fresh"? Why is something that has been done to death "fresh", while a matchup that no one here was around to vote for isn't? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:49, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::::When I say fresh, I mean that while the idea may not be the most creative, it's still something we have yet to see, and puts a fresh blob of colour on the Smash Arena. Maybe the active users of this Wiki did not vote on this fight in its former state, but they can all view it in the history. Users on this site opposed a re-run of Mario vs. Bowser, so there is no reason to re-run a comparatively insignificant fight. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:07, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
::How is this insignificant? Those two have a fair amount of popularity. There is no problem in repeating it. {{unsigned|LightningBlue}}
:::It's not the entrants that are insignificant, it's the fight. Mewtwo vs. Lucario answered an age-old (or 2008-old) question, and Mario vs. Bowser is the first fight we had, to use those two as examples again. Waddle Dee vs. Goomba made no major impact on anything. It was a good idea for a fight, but that doesn't make a reprisal worthwhile. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:35, 1 June 2012 (EDT)

==[[Screw Attack (item)]] vs. [[Screw Attack (move)]]==

They have almost the same use, just one is an item and one is a move. Which variation of Screw Attack do you like better? [[User:Kirbysuperstar|Kirbysuperstar]] ([[User talk:Kirbysuperstar|talk]]) 05:54, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#Why not?[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 06:00, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
# Interesting...[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|26px]]  06:50, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#I think these two are different enough to merit a match. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
# Sorry.  I do not believe this will get a lot of popularity. Since the moves are almost the same in nature, that will not be interesting to most users. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  21:34, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
#There is nothing really different about them. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#''Screw'' this matchup. (I hope nobody is offended by my use of the word screw.) '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
# I don't like this one very much Ikeroks 20:51, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#Meh. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:35, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Mario Finale]] vs. [[Super Sonic]]==

It's the battle between Mario's Final Smash and Sonic's Final Smash!!! [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.205|67.68.41.205]] 22:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT) The Awesome

===Support===
#Good idea...[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 03:27, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#Why not?[[User:Shanicpower|<font color="cadetblue">Shanic</font>]][[User talk:Shanicpower|<font color="red">'''power'''</font>]][[File:Shanicpower.png|26px]]  06:52, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#This is going to be an epic battle!!!! [[User:MarioSonic10|MarioSonic10]] ([[User talk:MarioSonic10|talk]]) 08:37, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea!!! [[Special:Contributions/38.116.192.97|38.116.192.97]] 15:22, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#[[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:18, 31 May 2012 (EDT)
#Feels like yet another effort to get a Nintendo/SEGA matchup in the Smash Arena, when it isn't that necessary. Besides, Mario Finale isn't the most popular of the Final Smashes >_> [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 15:31, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Basically devolves into a Mario vs. Sonic match. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Possibly 1-sided, <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:18, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#We already know who's going to win :| [[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 02:00, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No. Just... no. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Oppose. Not only is this a poor matchup for the reasons listed above, the same IP is voting multiple times to support this, even possibly the IP that first posted the fight. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 15:51, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
# I agree with Avengingbandit on this one Ikeroks 20:52, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Link]] vs. [[Snake]]==

The two "Mr. Utility Belts" of the Smash Universe are to face off in an attempt to out-gear the opposition. Will it be the medieval might, or the advanced annihilator? [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 22:43, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#Why not? --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
===Oppose===
#One of the participants lost, so what's the point of a rematch? <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:23, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#As I have already established, I veto repeat matches. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:58, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Not in the mood for a rematch either. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What everyone else said. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#No... Not again...[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:21, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
# Same as what everyyone else said Ikeroks 20:53, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
Note to the pedantic: This is valid because by the time it shows up it'll have been 100 rounds since its appearance as round 42. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 23:23, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
:Ok, then. Let's just turn it into some kind of rematch. 15 participants isn't enough, anyway. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 13:32, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

== [[Jeff Manning]] vs. [[Dean Harrington]] vs. [[Pat Cashman]] ==

"Who are these three people?" you may ask. Why, they are the [[announcer]]s from the three games of the series. Of course, just like essentially every other aspect found in the series, there is going to exist ''some'' kind of debate over which of the three games did a certain aspect right.

Of course, the announcers themselves have come under scrutiny in these debates. So, Smashwikidians, which is the best announcer: the booming emcee voice of Manning, the muffled yet intense sound of Harrington, or the calm and deep tone of Cashman? 

--- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:23, 1 June 2012 (EDT) 

===Support===
#Yes indeed. The announcers are commonly compared, and this would be the best way to solve any sort of debate that was ongoing. This'll also be a good way to introduce these people to all of our users. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:27, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Best and most unique suggestion on here by far. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:32, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per OmegaTyrant. [[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#ff8000">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 21:02, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#Counting them as audio, the match is valid. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:31, 1 June 2012 (EDT)
#We haven't done a match with real people yet so this is pretty clever. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Finally, something ORIGINAL! '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#I'll support; per ...... ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Awesome idea! Never thought of including voice-overs as competitors in the Smash Arena. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 03:28, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
# The Cheese says: This would be really cool! [[Special:Contributions/75.31.4.16|75.31.4.16]] 11:15, 5 June 2012 (EDT) The Cheese
# I like this one Ikeroks 20:54, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===

===Comments===

==[[Tails]] vs. [[Knuckles]] vs. [[Silver]]==

These are the characters in the Sonic series who runs the shuttle loop in Green Hill Zone. Which of these three will win!! [[User:MarioSonic10|MarioSonic10]] ([[User talk:MarioSonic10|talk]]) 09:03, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#This is an awesome battle!!! [[Special:Contributions/67.68.41.205|67.68.41.205]] 09:05, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#It sucks--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 09:44, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#There isn't really much point for them. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 15:16, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
# Background characters aren't important in the Smash Arena. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  16:05, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Yawn. NEXT! '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 16:33, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#It's no use! ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#What Accoolx said.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 02:24, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#I don't think this is a good one not to be mean but yeah Ikeroks 18:23, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
#Cruddy and blows <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:39, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Mario Bros. Madness]] vs. [[Wario Bros.]]==

Both events match you up against the famous Mario Bros. Is the two-minute battle or the two-stock battle against them superior?

===Support===
#Interesting. ''[[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="green">123</font>]][[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="purple">Heart</font>]]'' [[file:PatheticStickFigure.jpg|20px|link=Special:Random]] 17:35, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
#Great! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:24, 3 June 2012 (EDT)
#This seems pretty good Ikeroks 18:21, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#This won't be really interesting.[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 05:13, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Midair Stadium]] vs. [[Pokémon Stadium]]==

Two stadiums. Which one would you like to go to?[[Special:Contributions/194.17.116.198|194.17.116.198]] 03:29, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#That's interesting. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 23:42, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#Not to be mean but i really don't like this one Ikeroks 20:45, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===
Going even on this one. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  20:47, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

They are similar, true, but freely-selectable against SSE-only might result in this being one-sided. I too, am neutral. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 20:50, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

==[[Target Smash!!]] vs [[Board the Platforms]]==
Courses with 10 targets/platforms that you need to destroy/land on as quickly as possible. [[Special:Contributions/199.185.67.18|199.185.67.18]] 11:07, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#I don't mind it but Trophy Catch would've been better.  [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  22:08, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#Say, this might be good. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:44, 6 June 2012 (EDT)
#I think this could make for an interesting fight. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 14:06, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#Don't like this one Ikeroks 20:46, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Comments===


==[[Light Arrow]] vs [[Critical Hit]]==
Both are fast, go in a straight line, can hit multiple targets, and are almost always KO's. But which one do you like more? --[[User:AquaKawwi|AquaKawwi]] ([[User talk:AquaKawwi|talk]]) 17:22, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

===Support===
#I think these are similar enough to justify a fight. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 20:50, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#Per Toast. [[User:Avengingbandit|'''''<font color="#00ff80">Avengingbandit</font>''''']] 22:12, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#Could work. I'd like to see what would happen. Also, what Toast said. '''<span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:skyblue">Air</span>]][[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:Turquoise">Conditioner</span>]]</span>''' [[File:Accoolx.png|19px]] 12:42, 6 June 2012 (EDT)
#Don't listen to the oppose. I agree with Toast. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 14:02, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===
#Uh... not much of relevance to these. Since they do different things. Anyways I believe final smash ones should be relavant. Your description is a little ambiguous though. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:green">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:red;">''Cinco de Smash''</font>]]  20:46, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#I really don't like this one not trying to be mean but yeah Ikeroks 20:47, 5 June 2012 (EDT)
#Meh. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px]] 10:40, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

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