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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:The Smash Arena Character Battles|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reasons why you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
 
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.


Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.
Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.


=Rules=
=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.
*You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarily to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like "That's stupid" that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
*[[Forum:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done; currently no repeat fights are permitted.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
*In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.
===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.
===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, is is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*And finally, '''do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.
 
=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.


=Queue=
=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
The current queue is as such:
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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.


When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.


The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.


The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
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=Show Your Support=
=Show Your Support=
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[[Template:SA Box|<code><nowiki>{{SA Box}}</nowiki></code>]] - Smash Arena userbox; originally by [[User:Squallinoa_08|Squallinoa 08]], modified by [[User:Toomai|Toomai]]. If you wish, place it on your user page. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.
[[Template:SA Box|<code><nowiki>{{SA Box}}</nowiki></code>]] - Smash Arena userbox; originally by [[User:Squallinoa_08|Squallinoa 08]], modified by [[User:Toomai|Toomai]]. If you wish, place it on your user page. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.
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<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~
<description of fight, maybe a few reasons why you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~


===Support===
===Support===
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===Comments===
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=Suggestions=
=Suggestions=
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==Melee [[Marth (SSBM)|Marth]] vs. Brawl [[Marth (SSBB)|Marth]]==


==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
One's from ''Melee'', the others from ''Brawl'', the [[buff]]s and [[nerf]]s to Marth have been controversial over whether he is better, or worse in ''Brawl''. What do '''YOU''' think?--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 22:45, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
===Support===
#coool----luke5176
#No surprise that many people are shooting it down, but what makes this matchup interesting to me is that it's hugely debatable if ''Melee'' Marth or ''Brawl'' Marth is better. Marth got some big changes (most notably, shorter reach in all attacks) in his moveset and play style, yet managed to remain among the best characters. I personally would like to see a matchup involving a character's ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' incarnation, and this is the second best that could be done. Though seeing people's tendency to label such matchups as matchups between "the same character", I doubt such a matchup would ever be done until every other idea is done. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
 
===Oppose===
# Somehow I get the feeling this wouldn't be a good fight. I dunno, maybe it's just that, to me, the differences between the two contestants aren't tangible enough? That, and not everyone has played Melee... [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 07:26, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
#Brawl's Marth is basically Melee's Marth carried over to Brawl! There's no point in voting over the same thing! [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 22:12, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
#They just seem too similar. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#In order for this to work, we would probably have to do all the other characters that made it in both Melee and Brawl. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 06:54, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#no, it's like A vs A! not fun![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 07:23, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#No. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Too similar to even work as a match. All that would matter is whether or not you like Brawl more than Melee :/ <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)
===Comments===
Question: Can guests make their own suggestions and vote on others too? --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 06:25, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
:IPs can make suggestions. To remind, an IP can do essentially anything a normal user can on this Wiki except requesting additional powers such rollback and adminship. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 07:43, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Ok. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 06:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
@Mastersword, no there are multiple differences to every character that has returned in brawl from melee.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 22:35, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


===Support===
I like the IDEA of this fight, but like I said above, the differences aren't tangible enough to me to make it worth a smash arena battle... I know there are differences, but I never use Marth anyway. [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 08:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
:Although they might not be different enough in your opinion, they are different enough to have heated debates within communities which, in my opinion, has enough reason to see what the users at smashwiki think about marth's nerfs and buffs that have let him sit on a place very close to his original tier spot in melee.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 08:27, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
==[[Fourside]] vs. [[New Pork City]]==


I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
Which city is better? The grand metropolis Fourside? Or the tyrant's city of New Pork City? --[[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 23:16, 15 April 2011 (EDT)


Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
===Support===
# They both seem to have a cool stage element. Fourside has a UFO while New Pork City has the Ultimate Chimera. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 22:18, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
#Battle of the Mother cities. Good idea. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#I don't see why not. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Mother is simply awesome. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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===Comments===
===Comments===


==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
 
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
== [[Olimar (SSBB)|Olimar]] vs. [[Mr. Game & Watch (SSBB)|Mr. Game & Watch]]==
 
Two of the slightly more odd characters in ''Brawl'', one is retro, and the other has a spaceship! The first and the last characters in All-Star Mode battle it out! [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 02:32, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
#Cool, so it's like the Alpha and Omega? i like it! and both have a long round nose like Mario, too![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
 
#Unless I'm mistaken, Olimar is the newest character to be incorporated into SSB, and G&W is the oldest. [[User:Dr. 8-Bit|Dr. 8-Bit]] ([[User talk:Dr. 8-Bit|talk]]) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#I like the idea of a battle between old and new. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Seems OK to me. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#I like the idea of the oldest character series vs. the newest. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# Will new beat the old? Or will the old come back to haunt the new? I'm supporting to find out. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:42, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Battle of the old and the newest. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#So basically, the very first series goes against the very last. Interesting... --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 16:45, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105


===Comments===
===Comments===
Technically Lucario is the newest character in Brawl considering ''Diamond and Pearl'' was released in 2006, while ''Pikmin'' was released in 2001. But this fight can still work since the ''Pikmin'' series is the newest universe in Brawl (excluding the series that are newer, but don't have a playable character, like the [[Nintendo DS (universe)|DS universe]] or the [[Electroplankton (universe)|Electroplankton universe]]. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:Actually wouldn't Ike be the newest in brawl seeing that the nintendo chronicle says his game was released in 2008.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 08:29, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
::''Path of Radiance'' was the first game Ike appeared in, which came out in 2005. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==
== [[Infantry and Tanks]] vs. [[Excitebike]]==


Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)
Two assist trophies that goes patrolling on the ground, on the Advance Wars' side, the red armies use power of cannon and machine gun to blow you away with a decent damage. On the other hand, the riders are using the power of speed to ram the opponents so they suffer rapid damages or taking them down with him. Will the trained armies shot down another group, or will the trained bikers outrace the city-capturers? [[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


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A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
#I support--<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 05:46, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
 
#It'd be even better if Lakitu and Spinies were thrown in there too. [[User:Dr. 8-Bit|Dr. 8-Bit]] ([[User talk:Dr. 8-Bit|talk]]) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
#They're also both assist trophies that appear as sprites in SSBB. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#gr8t matchup[[Special:Contributions/125.161.67.202|125.161.67.202]] 07:50, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Great idea. Why didn't I think of it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#I can't say no to this[[Special:Contributions/206.53.152.102|206.53.152.102]] 22:36, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Good idea, the pixel with wheel! [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]]  23:39, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# All of the above, and below if more are added. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# Pixels that run around the stage. It could very well work. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# Very nice idea. [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 04:16, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#They are assist trophies that control the ground and overwhelm the opponent in swarms. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)


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WOW! so many supports! thanks![[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==
==[[Fox]] vs. [[Wolf]]==


The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Two rivals. Their special moves and Final Smashes are almost the same. Star Fox vs. Star wolf! <span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] </span>[[File:WolfHeadSSBB.png|19px]] <span style="color:black">'''Playtime's over!'''</span> 07:57, 16 April 2011 (EDT)Wolf rulez!


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A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#I'm surprised this hasn't been done already. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Why hasn't it been done before? ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Sure, something classic for once, why not? [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 19:47, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# I'm in favour, but has this been done already? [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:44, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#How could this have been missed <_< <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#They are rivals in universe, so I suppose that makes it an automatic Smash Arena matchup. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#k, whatever, I like a rival match. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|A Golden]] [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] 09:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
 
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Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105


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==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==
==All Melee Newcomers fight against each other==


Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Melee had the best characters. Lets do it!! Also, we did this for the original. Not doing it for melee leaves something feel missing. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#I don't agree with the sentiment that this is "too many choices", the battle of all characters in the original Smash Bros. had 12 and still generated a lot of votes and a decisive winner. This matchup would have 13 (14 if you're going to consider Zelda/Sheik separate choices), and  1 or 2 more choices than the last big match would not result in a sudden choice overload. However, this is a matchup that is best saved for a special round (perhaps round 100?) rather than being just another matchup. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#I dont think any of the deleted characters should be in this round because there could be a match with them. But melee is the best, so you probably should[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 10:34, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Overload in number of choices. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
#Grr... no way. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
 
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Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
Actually read the rules, as you aren't to vote for your suggestion and you're supposed to sign the suggestion. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==
==Mewtwo vs. Roy vs. Dr. Mario vs. Young Link vs. Pichu==


3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
The five characters from Melee who didn't return in Brawl. [[User:Dr. 8-Bit|Dr. 8-Bit]] ([[User talk:Dr. 8-Bit|talk]]) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


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Great Idea in my opinion.
#This idea is like a smaller version of the All Melee Newcomer Character fight. Still lots of choices, though. [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST
#Battle of the rejects. Cool idea. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# YES YES YES YES YES!!!!! [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#The matchup of the Brawl rejects generates interest from me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#these guys rule!!!!. great suggestion dr. 8 bit[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 10:35, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
==Port Town Aero Dive vs. Mario Circuit==


The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Nintendo racetracks with player crashing cars meet together. [[User:Mastergameandwatch|Mastergameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Mastergameandwatch|talk]]) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


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I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#This would make for an interesting fight. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#All right then. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# Why not? [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Pure gimmick racing against racing with boosts and obstacles. It can work. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#we all can get hit by cars and karts :x[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:14, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
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The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
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Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)
==Giant DK vs. Metal Mario==
 
Two fighters that can take ridiculous amounts of damage [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
 
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#They were the two "mid bosses" in the original's 1P mode, and would represent the battle between giant characters and metal characters. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# I'm supporting anything that's a throwback to the original. Very interesting idea. [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 07:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Enough with the idiotic users opposing good fights for little or no reason, this fight should happen since they are both the only other characters aside from master hand that could be classified as bosses, not to mention they technically appear in every smash game! Let the "mid-boss" battle begin!--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 11:25, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#I like it. Both were pain in the butts back in SSB and SSBM. -[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 11:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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#Just don't like this. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Both can be thrown off the stage, so your statement is irrelevant. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# I can't really agree on this[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 08:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
# Too stupid[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 10:39, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
== Lucas & Ness vs Mario & Luigi==


Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
Two groups of two that have almost exactly the same Special moves, while Lucas & Ness is different on their normal special move, Mario & Luigi is different on their Down Special move. The main characters is brave and are more positive, and the sidekicks is more shy, but secretly can be more special. On the tier list, Luigi and Ness are on the D rank, and Lucas and Mario on the E rank, they need to prove which pair is better. [[Special:Contributions/125.161.67.202|125.161.67.202]] 07:46, 17 April 2011 (EDT)


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#YES for this[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 07:48, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#YES. This is WIN. I seriously don't get why this hasn't been a battle yet! --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 08:34, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
#Heck yes! Even Luigi and Ness are need to be unlocked![[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span>
[[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]]  23:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4.Amazing suggestion! one of each is cool and the other lame[[Special:Contributions/68.197.115.28|68.197.115.28]] 16:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#The pairs have nothing in common. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
# NO! NO! NO! NO! [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:52, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Pairs with specials? Why not just add the other semi-clones and actual clones while you're at it. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Incredible '''NO''' for reasons stated above.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 04:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105


==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
== 75M vs. Mario Bros. ==
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
The two retro stages clash in a battle to see which will win. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)


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I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
#Spoings against Koopas and Crabs makes me wonder. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Both stages are involved in the origin of Mario. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#if you asked me why, i asked you back: why not?[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 08:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
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# Just don't like this. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:51, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
== Red Koopa vs. Green Paratroopa ==
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
Both of them are the opposite colors of what they usually are, and they both have differences to their regular colored counterparts. Who wins the match of the opposite colored turtles? -[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 13:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)


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Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)


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#I just don't like it. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)
#While I'm not one to label things as "the same", there is little to differentiate between the two koopas in the Smash games to get one to prefer one koopa to the other, which could very well end as simply being a matchup to pick your color preference. Currently, they don't even have separate articles on the SmashWiki :/ <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Although this has not been done yet, it basically is a battle between red and green - which do you like more. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 16:41, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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# I.... don't know. Much like the Marth battle at the top of the page, but it would be cool to see some turtles other than Squirtle in the arena. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 00:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
== [[Super Dragon]] vs. [[Volt Tackle]] vs. [[Super Sonic]] ==
 
They have poor handling, they are powerful, they are trouble for another character, they will make problem to the user if the move finished under the main platform, and they are [[Final Smash]]! Which will win? The fire breathing dragon, the ball of electricy, or the light speed hedgehog? [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]] 21:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
 
Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
 
Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
 
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==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==
 
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)


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# It's OK, but it doesn't make sense when you throw Yoshi's in there, as it does have more handling. [[User:Mastersword|Mastersword]] ([[User talk:Mastersword|talk]]) 01:01, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Yoshi's is a lot easier to handle. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#You can control Super Dragon :L <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Perhaps a matchup between Super Dragon and Super Sonic, or Volt Tackle and Super Sonic will do, but I don't see much point in throwing all three into the same matchup. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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Ok, so can I make a suggestion with only Super Sonic and Volt Tackle after the suggestion became clear again? I want these battle, but it seems a bad idea to add Super Dragon -_-". And, after about 3 months, I'll add this suggestion WITHOUT Super Dragon. Is that okay because it's not same? Super Dragon vs. Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle =/= Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle btw [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]]  08:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:If you wish, you are allowed to adjust your current suggestion, and remove Super Dragon. Make a note in the edit summary however about it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:28, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
Umm, i was wondering about voting, i mean if KTA have change the suggestion, i would support. if not yet, i'll oppose, what should i do?[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:You can oppose for now, and if he adjusts the suggestion, you can change your vote accordingly. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:24, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
==[[Falco (SSBM)|''Melee'' Falco]] vs. [[Falco (SSBB)|''Brawl'' Falco]]==
Now before you shoot this suggestion down saying "oh it's a fight between the same character, boooriiing", consider this;


==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==
*Falco saw the most changes between ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', going through large changes atheistically and large changes in his moveset.
*Falco saw nerfs in some areas, saw buffs in some areas, and saw complete changes in others, changing his playstyle quite drastically.
*Falco is currently the only character who is considered top tier in both games (Marth used to be as well, until his tier demotion in the recent ''Melee'' tier list).
*Falco is the most debatable character on whether he is better or worse overall in the transition to ''Brawl''.


All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020
So, will you deride this matchup for "involving the same character", or will you like to see which incarnation of Falco has larger fan approval? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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#'''Greatly support''', this has been debated for a while whether falco has been buffed of nerfed more, there was even a time when Falco was the same number on the melee and brawl tier lists.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 04:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#For players who really cares to seek and have some experiment in Melee and Brawl, this must be an important battle! So, how can people say "no" to this, even I don't play Melee! And, from your words, it looks like lots of nerf and buff happened. Well then, call me stupid because even I don't play Melee, but I care about this! [[User:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:pink">Kirbythe]] </span> [[Image:KirbyHeadSSBB.png|20px]] [[User talk:KirbytheAmazing|<span style="color:blue">'''Amazing'''</span>]]  08:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#'K, let's just say this is like the melee vs brawl marth. WRONG! Melee marth and brawl marth=totally lookalike. melee falco and brawl falco, not so lookalike. pretty interesting duh[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">Lucasthefourth ]]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:blue">'''Spartan''' </span> <span style="color:yellow">'''birds''']]</span>[[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#WoT's...too...powerful...-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 09:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==
==[[Sonic (SSBB)|Sonic]] vs. [[Luigi (SSBB)|Luigi]]==


Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020
Both are the runner-ups; one in the real universe, the other in his own. Who will be victorious? The lean, green machine? Or the super sonic psuedo-porcupine? [[User:CriticalHit60|Critical Hit, and...]] [[User talk:CriticalHit60|KO!]] 15:20, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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#Um, the runner-ups to what?-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 15:26, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Dun get it. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 16:10, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
#Too many opposites. Plus, I have no idea what you're talking about. --[[Special:Contributions/24.11.24.139|24.11.24.139]] 16:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)


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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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