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<div class="usermessage">[[Image:Stop_Hand.png|left|45px|]]While this page is no longer protected, failure to adhere to this page's Rules section will result in suggestions being closed again. Read the Rules section carefully before considering '''''any''''' edits to this forum.</div>


This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.
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Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.
This forum has the purpose of helping to select what will battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:The Smash Arena Character Battles|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reasons why you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.<br><br>
Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash.<br><br>
If you would like to see what people have suggested in the past, please refer to this page's archives.


=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
**Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
**If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk [[SW:PROB|probation]].
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.


===Voting and comments===
=Queued=
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
The following fights have been queued to appear in the Smash Arena at a future date. Note that the battles coming soonest can be found [[User:Miles.oppenheimer/SA Preparation|here]] instead. The order here does not necessarily indicate the order in which they will appear in the Arena.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.


===Acceptance or rejection===
'''Scheduled for Week 25'''<br>
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Ganondorf vs. Bowser<br>
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Mario vs. Sonic<br>
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
*Meta Ridley vs. Meta Knight<br>
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*Zero Suit Samus vs. Sheik<br>
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Goomba vs. Waddle Dee<br>
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.


=Tips=
'''Queued'''<br>
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Charizard vs. Bowser<br>
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*Bowser vs. Pit<br>
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*R.O.B. vs Mr. Game & Watch<br>
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*Captain Olimar vs Captain Falcon<br>
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.
*Sheik vs. Zelda<br>
*Ancient Minister vs. Samus<br>
*Peach vs. King Dedede<br>
*Kirby vs. Wario<br>
*Captain Falcon vs. Sonic<br>
*Wolf vs. Groudon<br>
*Mario vs. Link<br>
*Mario vs Luigi<br>
*Galleom vs. Duon<br>
*Ivysaur vs Petey Pirahna


=Queue=
=Rules=
The current queue is as such:
*Only signed-on users only can suggest a battle.
{{SA Queue}}
*Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).  
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.
*Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
 
*'''A user can only suggest one fight per week'''. (i.e.- you can't suggest 3 fights at one time)
When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.
*Post WHY you support/oppose. Don't say, "Oh, Link is much hotter than Snake"! Explain why you like the fight.
 
*You can remove your own suggestion, but you may not post a new suggestion until next week.
The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.
*Place new suggestions at '''THE BOTTOM''' of page. If you place them at the top, they will be lost when we archive the page. You have been warned.
 
*Do NOT use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civily point out an inconsistentcy or mistake in their description, but if you say things like "That's so stupid" that could potentially start an argument in the Comments, you are breaching the rule. Anyone who breaches this rule will have their opinion on that suggestion removed along with the conversation.
The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.
*The comments section is to be used for '''relevant''' comments.
*The users running the Smash Arena have the final say over all of the fights.
*Don't suggest fights that are already done or have been in already placed on the Queued list already. (Check the queued list if your suggestion is already listed for being place for a fight in the next few weeks). [[Forum:Smash Arena#Fights|Check this list]] to view any fights that have been done. No duplicate fights are permitted.
*ONLY fights that are related to Super Smash Bros. It can be between two characters from the series only. No characters from Mario, Legend of Zelda, or other games that haven't been in the games. Non-playable characters, like the assist trophies and Pokéball Pokémon are allowed, as long as they appear in the SSB series.
*It doesn't really matter if they are in total different SSB games. As long as they are in the SSB series, they can fight each other in the Arena.
*And please, under no circumstances, '''DO NOT MAKE THIS PAGE INTO THE SMASH ARENA ITSELF!''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.


=Show Your Support=
=Show Your Support=
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
<pre>
==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==
<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~
===Support===
===Oppose===
===Comments===
</pre>
=Suggestions=
=Suggestions=
Remember, <big>'''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''</big>.


==[[Rosalina]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
== Zelda vs Mewtwo==
 
The two most powerful wielders of supernatural arts in smash have met. Which is stronger? Zelda's magic, or Mewtwo's psychic abilities? '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''
Two of the newest characters from the ''Mario'' universe makes it into ''SSB4''. Both have chargeable projectiles which stop dead upon hit. Who will rule 21st century ''Mario''? [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:00, 9 December 2017 (EST)
 
===Support===
I think it has an interesting idea behind it. It has my vote! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2018 (EDT)
 
Sounds like fun! Let's try it! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:33, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
 
I agree with Crazy Rhino. It's interesting. Why not. Blueflame105
 
Kind of an obvious one. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 
===Oppose===
 
===Comments===
 
==[[Bowser]] vs. [[Bowser Jr.]]==
It's the battle of the Koopas! The Koopa King and the Koopa Prince are a royal duo. Who will rule this Koopa brawl between two ''Mario'' universe enemies? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 07:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)


===Support===
===Support===
It would be en epic koopa battle. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  19:59, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


Sure, why not? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#The description may not work, but I like it. Its clever. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
#I like it too. Guess I tie the votes. '''[[User:The Steel Avenger|<span style="color:gray">The Steel</span> <span style="color:silver">Avenger</span>]] [[User Talk:The Steel Avenger|<span style="color:Firebrick"><small>Taste my cold steel!</small></span>]]'''
#Tipping t' balance. What's wrong with this idea? '''[[User:Pikabro|<span style="color:blue"> Pikabro</span>]][[User Talk:Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:darkorange">PIKA</span></sup></small>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:red">CHU!</span></sup></small>]]''' 08:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Reject===
I don't know. This seems kind of obvious. I don't think they're different enough. You're entitled to your opinion though. Blueflame105
# This idea sucks. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 07:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
#I agree with BNK. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 15:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
#Indeed.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 14:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


===Comments===
===Comment===


==[[Villager]] vs. [[Rosalina]]==


Both characters are fun and have a special move that can negate most projectiles (Pocket and Gravitational Pull, respectively) and are both fairly new. Both are newcomers. Who would win? What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 16:02, 9 May 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105 3:01, March 9 2018 (American Central Time)
== Mario vs Donkey Kong ==


The two settle their score from the Masterpiece "Donkey Kong". Who will win? The savior or the beast?
===Support===
===Support===
A great battle for me so, let's give that a try! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
*I support my idea. [[User:Masterman|<span style="color: fuchsia">Masterman</span>]] [[User talk:Masterman|<span style="color= blue">20</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<span style="color: gold">09</span>]] 15:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*EVERYONE WHO REJECTS THIS IS EPIC FAIL. This would be epic. If they can put up Mario vs. Bowser, then dammit they can put this up as well. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
This is a great idea. Has my support. YoshisaurusThe9th
*I like this. It's the original fight from the first Mario game. -''[[User:Masq|<span style="color:green">Masq</span>]]'' <small>('''[[User talk:Masq|t]]'''/''[[Special:Contributions/Masq|c]]''/'''[[Special:Editcount/Masq|e]]''')</small> 03:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 
*These are classic ideas. I like these. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''
===Oppose===
*Good idea. Old rivalrys are exciting. Plus, my main hasn't had a shot in the arena yet. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
I don't really get the connection. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
*This gets my vote: besides, if we have some fights queued that are obvious like Zelda and Shiek, I don't see anything wrong with this one. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 20:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
*My dad would blow all of his allowance playing the original Donkey Kong at the arcade, back when he was a kid. I'm endlessly addicted to the Virtual Console playing it. See BNK's post for the rest.[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|F33R T3|-| L337!!</span></sup>]] 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
===Comments===
 
==[[Koopalings|Wendy]] vs. [[Lucina]]==
 
The only unlockable females in the series. One fights to repair the future, the other fights to take over the world. One is driven and kind, the other is bratty and vicious. Which one reigns supreme? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:50, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
 
===Support===
A nice matchup in my favor. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
===Oppose===
Just no. Please no. Also, Wendy isn't unlockable in for Wii U, and neither is Lucina, so that's driven entirely from the 3DS version, right? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:03, 8 June 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
 
===Comments===
 
==[[Lakitu & Spinies]] vs. [[Hammer Bro.]]==


Two [[Assist Trophies]] from the ''Mario'' series. One throws Spinies, the other throws hammers. Which one is your favorite? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 16:36, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
===Reject===
*Too obvious of a match. It's like the Mario v. Luigi one.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 16:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
*<s>Sorry but, I agree with SmoreKing. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 16:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
*Just, No.--[[User:Mudkipz|User:Mudkipz]] ([[User talk:Mudkipz|talk]]) 00:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


===Support===
It's a cool idea, so I'll support this. I would definitely vote for Hammer Bro. though. I hate going up against Lakitu. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:04, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
===Oppose===
Rematches are uninteresting in general, especially now that we're going to have 5 ''Smash'' games and now, there are more ''Mario'' based assists. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
===Comments===
===Comments===
Not saying it couldn't happen as it was more than 100 matches ago, but discovered this same matchup with their Brawl incarnations in the archives. While I do like this matchup and fully support it, it does say you aren't likely to get a repeat unless people really want a different result or it was a tie. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 19:06, 6 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
Suggestions have re-opened! YESH! [[User:Masterman|<span style="color: fuchsia">Masterman</span>]] [[User talk:Masterman|<span style="color= blue">20</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<span style="color: gold">09</span>]] 15:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


==[[Mario Circuit (SSB4)]] vs. [[Rainbow Road]]==
== Wario vs Wolf ==


3, 2, 1... GO! Two stages from ''{{iw|mariowiki|Mario Kart|series}}'' battle it out in a race to the finish. One is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8}}'' and ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 8 Deluxe}}'', the other is from ''{{s|mariowiki|Mario Kart 7}}''. Who will take the checkered flag in this match? [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 01:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
One is a rival to Mario and his friends, the other is a rival to the Star Fox team. Both have been bosses in games, and both have had to team up with the hero to stop someone else. Who would win the rival battle?


===Support===
===Support===
Great Idea in my opinion.
#My suggestion. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 19:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
[[User: CaptainDabsalot|CaptainDabsalot]] Or [[User Talk: CaptainDabsalot|The SavageCow]] 6/22/18 11:04 CST
#@Mudkipz: FAIL. Wario is as much a rival to Mario as I love fried chicken. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
#If Wario isn't a rival then I don't know who is. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak if you are worthy</span></sup></small>]]'''
#Wario is. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
#at least he used to be a rival. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 07:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
===Reject===
===Oppose===
#This one just isn't good. Wario isn't much of a Rival these days...--[[User:Mudkipz|User:Mudkipz]] ([[User talk:Mudkipz|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
#Yeah, Wario's pretty branched off in his own games from Mario now. -''[[User:Masq|<span style="color:green">Masq</span>]]'' <small>('''[[User talk:Masq|t]]'''/''[[Special:Contributions/Masq|c]]''/'''[[Special:Editcount/Masq|e]]''')</small> 03:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
#Indeed.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 14:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


===Comments===
===Comments===


==[[Daisy]] vs. [[Inkling]] vs. [[Ridley]]==
==Metal Mario vs Giga Bowser==
 
Two alternatives of regular smashers, invented by the Smash universe. The solid metal plumber vs the ultimate King of Koopas. Which is hardier in Smashing? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
The first three newcomers announced for SSBU. Which noob gets the most hype? ...Wait a second... [[Forum:Smash_Arena/Archive_40#Villager_vs._Wii_Fit_Trainer_vs._Mega_Man|hasn't something like this been done before?]] [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 20:17, 21 July 2018 (EDT)


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I mean... yeah. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 20:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
#Good idea. Technically, Metal Mario first appeared in Super Mario 64 by the use of the Metal Box. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 00:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
#Two of the biggest characters invented by Smash. Metal Mario has been a boss for two games, and Giga Bowser was two games as well. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]''' 22:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
ABSOLUTELY! Ultimate looks really good. Counting down the days till December 9th..... [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#In my opinion, a great idea, although since I'm a Mario series fan, it's no wonder why I'd say that. Also, Unknown is correct. Anyways, I'm picturing this battle in my mind as an even bigger final battle between Mario and Bowser in Super Mario 64. '''[[User:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:darkslateblue">Mario</span><span style="color:#000033">Galaxy</span>]]'''<sup><small>'''[[User talk:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:lightslategray">May Guthix be with you...</span>]]'''</small></sup> 00:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
The only time such matchup is valid. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:43, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
 
Love it! That one is going to be awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 13:07, 29 July 2018 (EDT)


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#Do you remember Mario vs. Bowser? [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
#Agreed with Solar Flute.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 14:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
#Fail. <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


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==[[Kirby (SSB4)|Kirby]] Vs. [[Jigglypuff (SSB4)| Jigglypuff]]==
Pink. Puffy. Powerful. Wait, which one am I talking about? It's pink puffball on pink puffball in this puffball brawl. Both are floaty, pink, and overall competitively useless! Both of their up specials can hinder their recoveries, but can jump a lot (maybe too much) so it's all good. It's the ULTIMATE BATTLE! What's that? You say it's not? Well then, [[Kirby]] or [[Jigglypuff]]. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:53, 22 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
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This match was already done in a lopsided result. Also I noticed that much of your contributions have been Smash Arena related and we're currently on a Red wiki status and spending to much time in the Smash Arena without contributing to the mainspace can result in an IP block (or probation if you're a registered user). [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is bad for me  18:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)


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I apologize. I was not aware of this, and will refrain from doing Smash Arena things, at least until wiki status lowers. I have been attempting tobe more helpful on the wiki, but overall, I'm not good at it. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 22:51, 25 July 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
#Meh. I just don't know. Wierd, yet it's the ultimate form of two smashers.  What to think...[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|F33R T3|-| L337!!</span></sup>]] 22:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 
#Metal Mario was made in Super Mario 64. Facts. Get them.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 22:31, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
==[[Cloud Strife]] Vs. [[Solid Snake]]==
:Mario with a metal box was made in SM 64. The character/boss [[Metal Mario]] was invented by Smash. Facts. Get them. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''
While these two super soldiers are largely considered Playstation classics, they've found there way into Nintendo's big crossover. Both may take some stuff through cloning (Cloud has Zack's memories and abilities, Snake is a literal clone of Big Boss) but who comes out on top? Btw, they're both relatively mature for Nintendo titles --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:19, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
::Nothing was "invented". Metal Mario CAME FROM Super Mario 64. '''Facts. Get them.''' <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 23:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Don't you start...so you're telling me that you fought Metal Mario in Super Mario 64? Cos unless you did, you're wrong. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]'''
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::::Metal Mario IS Mario, which is why he isn't a major boss in Brawl. Remember, Sakurai got rid of all clones. <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 11:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I nearly removed this suggestion because I thought it involved an ''Ultimate'' character, then I found out Cloud was in ''SSB4''. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  22:42, 11 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::All clones? [[Toon Link (SSBB)|Not exactly...]] Anyways, Metal Mario was not invented by Smash, even if he functioned as a boss in SSB64. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::Miles, wrong? I never thought that could happen... hey! If you can get me non-h4x footage of Toon Link doing a kick, I'll believe you :D <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 19:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
They are great characters in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'' so, let's do it! By the way, Cloud's debut game is ''Final Fantasy VII'', while ''Metal Gear Solid'' is Snake's first game. [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 15:23, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
:::::::"Not exactly" --> includes semi-clones.  Oh, and I'm never wrong. ;D [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::::: Then you should know damn well that Toon Link =/= Link. ::) <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 23:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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#Which came first, SSB 64 or Mario Golf 64? [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 00:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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#Regarding Toon Ganondorf's last comment: You didn't ''fight'' Metal Mario in Super Mario 64, you '''''played''''' as Metal Mario.--[[User:Meta-K|Meta-Kirb]] ([[User talk:Meta-K|talk]]) 13:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Oh be quiet. My suggestion was the boss, not Mario with a metal box. Metal Mario the boss was introduced in the first Smash game. Regardless of whether Mario can get a Metal box, the minor boss fought in 64 is who we're dealing with. End of story. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]]   [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">(t</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:Gold">c)</span>]]''' 23:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
==[[Battlefield]] Vs. [[Big Battlefield]]==
::::Actually, you never stated the boss form of Metal Mario in the description. '''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Pretty simple idea. Battlefield vs its big bro. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 12:05, 28 December 2018 (EST)
::::::Oh it's the boss version <_<. Let me ask you this, when there was the Mario vs. Bowser fight, which Mario was it? The Mario from Super Mario 64 or the Mario from Super Mario Galaxy. You might be saying to yourself,"They're the same character." That's my point. Whether or not it's MM from SM64 or MM from SSB, it's still Metal Mario. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 00:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
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Not a bad idea. <span style="color:lightblue">Everone123</span> ([[User:Everone123|userpage]] • [[User talk:Everone123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|contribs]]) 22:15, 7 January 2019 (EST)
 
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No contest. Big Battlefield wins (Bigger means better). Try coming up with something else. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:52, 3 January 2019 (EST)


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==Captain Falcon vs. Captain Olimar==
 
Both are captains of flying ships. They helped each other in the Subspace Emissary, now, they're fighting in the Arena. [[User:Metalink187|Metalink187]] ([[User talk:Metalink187|talk]]) 22:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
== [[Luigi's Mansion]] vs. [[Dracula's Castle]] ==
 
Two locations, one being a haunted mansion in the middle of a spooky forest that is home to a green-clad  plumber, the other being a giant castle on the outskirts of Transylvania that is home to an evil vampire, both places equally spooky. --[[User:JackyBlooo|JackyBlooo]] ([[User talk:JackyBlooo|talk]]) 08:56, 3 January 2019 (EST)
 
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I think another fun connection is Dracula's Castle used to replace Luigi's Mansion in PM. --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:32, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
This is my kind of battle! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 18:35, 19 January 2019 (EST)
 
Yeah both places can be considered scary places. It would make a perfect battle. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 14:25, 21 January 2019 (EST)
 
Seems like a fun idea. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
 
Giving this a vote since the current arena seriously needs to end already. Also the PM trivia is neat.<span style="font-family: Algerian"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> Supα Toαd 64,</span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:aqua;"> The Best </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:15, August 31, 2019 (EDT)
 
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==[[Bayonetta]] vs. [[Joker]]==
 
Both are black clad, gun wielding, Sega owned (well, kinda for Joker), DLC fighters. But which one will come out on top? [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 13:07, April 18, 2019 (EDT)


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* Bayonetta and Joker are extremely similar, this battle could make a difference. [[File:Derekblue1SigHead1.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">'''Derekblue1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Derekblue1|<span style="color:#20B2AA;">(talk)</span>]] [[File:Derekblue1SigHead2.png|20px|link=]] 09:54, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
#It's about time... <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
#[[:Image:Captains.jpg|Win.]] [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
#Good idea. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 01:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
#Yep yep. '''[[User:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkTurquoise">Cloned</span>]][[User talk:ClonedPickle|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Pickle</span>]]''' 01:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
#Clever. I like it. If there are two more supports and no opposes, I'll queue it. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]''' 08:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
#ABSOLUTELY. I meant to put all the letters in capital letters. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:silver">'''777 ~Behold! -.-'''</span>]] 20:49, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


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==[[Mario]] vs. [[Donkey Kong]] vs. [[Pacman]]==
==Marth vs. Meta Knight==
 
The two "mach speed" swordsmen were interupted by the Ancient Minister. Now, the best swordsmen (according to the tiers) will unsheathe their swords and do battle. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:silver">'''777 ~Behold! -.-'''</span>]]
All three are iconic fighters who were huge hits in the early 1980s, shoot projectiles, and are great at rescuing people. But things have been bubbling around Peach since Wii U, and there is only one way to settle things. Which will get the princess? [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 22:17, April 13, 2020


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#Of all the generic swordsmen battles, this one is the best IMO -- the SSE and tier reasons make it work. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="forestgreen"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="lime">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="lime">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
#Good idea. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
#Ye. <span style="border:2px outset #33ff66;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#99ff99">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 22:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
#[http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea13.html Epic]. Nothing else to say. [[User:Metalink187|Metalink187]] ([[User talk:Metalink187|talk]]) 12:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


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==[[Pikachu]] vs. [[Lucas]]==
==Electrode vs Bomb-Omb==
 
Two veterans of Smash, both liking to explode and damage everyone else rather than fight themselves. Which do you prefer?  '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak</span></sup></small>]]'''
Both have the power of Thor. [[User:Met3oR|Met3oR]] ([[User talk:Met3oR|talk]]) 14:38, May 09, 2020
 
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*Quick heads up, the wiki's Smash Arena has been discontinued in favor of the Discord server's. The suggestions should go there instead. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:15, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

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