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<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' [[Forum:Index|Index]] '''&rarr;''' {{PAGENAME}}</div>
{{Forumheader|Smash Arena}}


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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the '''[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]'''! Each week (or possibly less often, if the [[SW:SSS|wiki's status]] is high or there's not much voter traffic) this forum hosts a tussle between two (or  sometimes three!) characters, items, stages or anything else from the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]]! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the '''Smash Arena'''! Each week this forum hosts a tussle between two characters from the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, just vote if you are a total fanboy of the character. So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message [[Forum:Suggestions|here]].


==The Rules==
==The Rules==
#When voting, you can give a brief comment on why you voted the way you did, or you can just leave your signature. Long explanations for your vote are discouraged, as they are unnecessary (a vote is worth the same regardless of its reasoning), and they inflate the size of an already large page.
#When voting, you can give a brief comment on why you voted the way you did, or you can just leave your signature.
#You can vote only once. Any multiple votes will be removed.
#You can only vote once. Any multiple votes will be removed.
#Put a <code>#</code> before your vote to facilitate the vote counting.
#Put a <code>#</code> before your vote to facilitate the vote counting.
#Type <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> after your vote to [[SW:SIGN|sign]] it, whether you are logged in or not. Using the wrong number of "~"s counts as not signing - your signature must have both your signature itself and the time.
#Type <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code> after your vote to [[SW:SIGN|sign]] it, whether you are logged in or not.
#There is a line in each section consisting of "DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE". You are to follow this rule; do not just type your vote at the bottom of the editing window. Not following this rule results in your vote being displayed in the wrong place.
#There is a line in each section consisting of "DO NOT ADD COMMENTS OR EDIT ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE". You are to do so; do not just type your vote at the bottom of the editing window. Not following this rule results in your vote being displayed in the wrong place.
#Put your vote below other votes; that is, so the votes are in chronological order.
#Put your vote below other votes; that is, so the votes are in chronological order.
#You may change or remove your vote at any time. To do this you must remove your old vote in its entirety; this is an exception to the "never remove comments" rule.
#Any comments about the fight should be left in the comment section.
#You may vote only in the current fight; all previous fights are closed.
#You may only vote in the current fight; all previous fights are closed.
#Do not leave a space between your comment and the ones above it (and/or below it). Extra spacing results in the list numbers becoming disjointed.
#Do not leave a space between your comment and the ones above it (and/or below it).
#While previewing an edit of a single section, you will see loose formatting marks (such as a trailing <code>|}</code>). Do not alter or delete them; they are important to the page's construction and take effect only when the entire round is viewed.
#Do not put your vote in the Half-Votes section. It is not where anonymous users vote, nor is it acceptable to want your vote to be worth half. It is basically saying "I want to be punished", and you will be treated accordingly.
#If there are multiple fights in a single round, try to make all your votes in a single edit.
#Any comments about the fight should be left in the comments section. The following kinds of comments are not allowed:
#*Comments relating to how close or one-sided a matchup is.
#*Comments about other users' opinions. You can point out that a user may have gotten a fact wrong, but you can't say things such as "That's not a good reason" or "But the other guy is better because X". Users can vote for any reason they want; trying to argue with someone's opinion generally has no positive outcome, in addition to simply inflating the comments section of an already large page.
#**Similarly, avoid writing votes that may invite an argument. Stating your opinion is fine, but don't make it easy for others to see it as goading.


If your vote is not added correctly - specifically, it breaks rules 3, 4, or 5 - you have a short amount of time to fix it (typically between fifteen minutes to an hour). After this time, it may be corrected and moved by any user to the Half-Votes section (adding the [[Template:Unsigned|unsigned template]] if necessary), and it will count as half a vote. Other users should not fix such broken votes without also making them half-votes. Your vote will also be considered a half-vote if your edit causes someone else's valid vote to break one of these rules. Attempting to move your vote out of the Half-Votes section may result in it being worth zero (and subsequently deleted) at an operator's discretion.
If your vote is not added correctly - that is, it breaks rules 3, 4, or 5 - you have one hour to fix it. After this time, it may be moved by any user to the Half-Votes section (adding the [[Template:Unsigned|unsigned template]] if necessary), and it will count as half a vote. Attempting to move your vote out of the Half-Votes section may result in it being worth zero at an operator's discretion. In addition, if your votes-to-rulebreaks ratio climbs too high, your votes may count for zero until the ratio drops to an acceptable level.


Multiple votes in a round are not allowed; attempts to circumvent this with [[sockpuppet]]s will result in all your votes being deleted, and is a blockable offense. Probated users who attempt to circumvent their probation with sockpuppets are also committing a blockable offense and will have their vote discounted. Remember that admins have access to CheckUser to check the IPs of any user, and will use it when sockpuppetry is suspected.
==Round 64: [[Super Smash Bros.]] Dodeca-Fest!==
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|style="width:25%; background:#00ff00; border:solid #ff0000 5px"|[[Image:YoshiSSB.gif|center]]
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size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''undecided'''''</font><br><br><font size=3>''Ma: 0&emsp;Lg: 0&emsp;Ys: 0&emsp;DK: 0<br>Lk: 0&emsp;Sm: 0&emsp;Fx: 0&emsp;Kb: 0<br>Pk: 0&emsp;Jp: 0&emsp;CF: 0&emsp;Ns: 0''</font><br>
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|style="width:25%; background:#ff9f9f; border:solid #ff0000 5px"|[[Image:KirbySSB.gif|center]]
|style="width:25%; background:#bf7f00; border:solid #007f00 5px"|[[Image:FoxSSB.gif|center]]
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|style="width:25%; background:#ffff00; border:solid #bf3f00 5px"|[[Image:PikachuSSB.gif|center]]
|style="width:25%; background:#ffbfbf; border:solid #00bfbf 5px"|[[Image:JigglypuffSSB.gif|center]]
|style="width:25%; background:#3f00bf; border:solid #ff9f00 5px"|[[Image:CaptainfalconSSB.gif|center]]
|style="width:25%; background:#ff3f3f; border:solid #7f7fff 5px"|[[Image:NessSSB.gif|center]]
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|style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px" colspan="6"|Holy smokes! In honour of the good old Nintendo 64, this special round of Smash Arena puts it between the entire cast of the original Super Smash Bros.! This fight won't count towards the official statistics, but it sure counts in all other ways (like bragging rights and so on). The chances of a tie are higher than ever before, so make sure your vote counts!
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===Votes for ''Mario''===
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===Half-Votes===
# Mario will always my fav character, this version of Mario, compared with the versions from Melee and Brawl, is arguably the est of the three. {{User:Byllant/sig}}<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Byllant|Byllant]] ([[User talk:Byllant|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Byllant|contribs]]) 9:42, Decemeber 11, 2010</small>
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===Votes for ''Luigi''===
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#Luigi's my best character among this group of fighters, so he gets my vote. FIRE JUMP PUNCH!!!!! [[User:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">Brawlingbrian</span>]][[Image:FalcoHead.png|20px]][[Image:SmashBall.png|20px]] [[User talk:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:cerulean">LAND</span><span style="color:orange">MASTER!</span>]]
#Luigi has been my best character, not only in SSB, but in Melee and Brawl too. He's overall just too underrated. --[[User:Jelloratbob|Jelloratbob]] ([[User talk:Jelloratbob|talk]]) 13:46, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#Luigi is epic ,super epic!!! [[User:Goatcathead|Goatcathead]] ([[User talk:Goatcathead|talk]]) 00:20, 14 December 2010 (EST)
 
===Half-Votes===
#Luigi is awesome!!!!! I like his green fireball.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:98.116.118.143|98.116.118.143]] ([[User talk:98.116.118.143|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/98.116.118.143|contribs]]) 7:59, Decemeber 11, 2010</small>
#Luigi is my favorite character of mario series... if lucario was here, my vote was for him, but... Luigi is the best! Ya-ha!<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:217.132.164.103|217.132.164.103]] ([[User talk:217.132.164.103|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/217.132.164.103|contribs]]) 9:34, December 11, 2010 (EST)</small>
#Luigi is the best in SSB! Luigi No. 1! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:85.250.187.223|85.250.187.223]] ([[User talk:85.250.187.223|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.250.187.223|contribs]]) 12:01, December 12, 2010 (EST)</small>
#I'm known as the Mario fan at school, but between the 2 plumbers I say Luigi is better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:74.108.147.31|74.108.147.31]] ([[User talk:74.108.147.31|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.108.147.31|contribs]]) 14:57, December 12, 2010 (EST)</small>
#Luigi has a different but powerful set of moves.(If you use them and know how to use them well.) To sum him up, Awesome. {{unsigned|184.12.210.3|16:27, December 13, 2010 (EST)}}


Intentional half-votes undermine the intent of the half-vote system as a way to punish voters for voting incorrectly. It is legal to want a vote to be worth half, but it is very heavily discouraged, and you must state in your vote you want it to be worth half. If you put your vote in the half-votes section without stating reasons why you want it there, it is worth zero and may be deleted by any user. You may replace it later should you do it correctly.
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Above all, remember that '''voting in the Smash Arena is a privilege, not a right'''. In the vein of [[SW:NOT|what SmashWiki is not]], you are expected to at least attempt reasonable contributions to the wiki if you wish to retain your privilege to participate.
===Votes for ''Yoshi''===
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#Yoshi is the best character from this group sry fox,pickachu, and DK. Yoshi is was the best character in smash bros I loved him so much till now, Go Yosiiii PREEEEHUP.[[User:Zeezow|Zeegamer]] ([[User talk:Zeezow|talk]]) 11:17, 12 December 2010 (EST)
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==Round 257: [[Mushroom Kingdom II]] vs. [[Magicant]]==
===Votes for ''Donkey Kong''===
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#I'm just going to vote for DK because I've always been able to do good with him in my past years and got a very good record with him in 1P mode. Gotta love the back throw! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 21:10, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#WOO! It's on like Donkey Kong! Rareware is epic in its nintendo era--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 08:11, 12 December 2010 (EST)
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|colspan="2" style="background:#dfdfdf; text-align:center" valign="top"|<font size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Magicant'''''</font><br>[[Image:SSB4 Magicant.jpg|225x225px|center]]<br><font size=3>''45 to 48''</font><br>
 
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===Votes for ''Link''===
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#I kinda want to vote for Luigi and some others, but after all the crap his spin attack's been getting, I need to make a stand.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 18:36, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#Link...just because Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask were the best N64 games in my opinion,well actually Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie are the best N64 games but they're not options :P[[User:Gig|Gig]] ([[User talk:Gig|talk]]) 01:53, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#11th on the tier list, but first in my mind. Since I got the game back in 2000 (wow, ten years already?) Link has always been my main. Sure, Pikachu will win this battle, but why vote for the favorite? [[User:Reflex|<span style="color: blue;">Re</span>]][[User talk:Reflex|<span style="color: green;">fl</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Reflex|<span style="color: red;">ex</span>]] 14:51, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#Link is just awesome [[Special:Contributions/99.108.196.144|99.108.196.144]] 18:16, 12 December 2010 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Samus''===
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#Samus is awesome. enough said. [[User:Scoobford|Scoobford]] ([[User talk:Scoobford|talk]]) 15:32, 13 December 2010 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Fox''===
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#I've liked Fox's overwhelming speed in all three games and how effective his moveset is. He definately gets my vote here. [[User:T.testLP|T.testLP]]<small>[[User Talk:T.testLP|The Communicator]]|[[Special:Contributions/T.testLP|The...Whatever]][[File:GanondorfHead.png|20px]]Ganondorf da bess!</small> 23:12, 10 December 2010 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Kirby''===
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#It's a tough choice between him and Falcon, and I haven't played SSB64 in nearly 10 years (nor have I ever owned it). Falcon was my second favorite in ''Melee'' and is my current favorite in ''Brawl Minus''. But Kirby was an early favorite in ''Melee'' (despite how awful of a character he was), I'm a fan of his series outside ''Smash Bros.'' (where I'm not with F-Zero), and most importantly, I like him much more in ''Brawl'' (where he is a main and Falcon is not), my smash game of choice. So I'll support the super tuff pink puff here. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:47, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#Sorry Ness, but I main Kirby, not you, so I'm voting for him. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:51, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#Well, I'm known as the kirby fanboy at my school, so TEH KIRBY RULZ!<span style="font-family:Jokerman">[[User:Vincent Tran|<span style="color:salmon">Vincent</span>]] [[User talk:Vincent Tran|<span style="color:red">Tran</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Vincent Tran|Blorbs?]]</span>[[File:Kirby-1.png|30px]] 21:33, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#Teh Super Tuff Pink Puff! --[[Special:Contributions/98.154.180.86|98.154.180.86]] 13:50, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#I like Mario,Yoshi,and Link, but I think I like Kirby more than the others. GO KIRBY!!!--[[Special:Contributions/68.96.64.170|68.96.64.170]] 19:15, 13 December 2010 (EST)
 
===Half-Votes===
#Kirby was my fav.. so Kirby it is!!<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:74.100.198.209|74.100.198.209]] ([[User talk:74.100.198.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.100.198.209|contribs]]) 7:46, December 10, 2010</small>
#a cute thing who can fly and inhale things! who won't vote for it?(EST)<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:84.229.109.87|84.229.109.87]] ([[User talk:84.229.109.87|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.229.109.87|contribs]]) 10:38, December 10, 2010</small>
 
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===Votes for ''Pikachu''===
===Votes for ''Mushroom Kingdom II''===
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:<s>1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)</s>
# I was sooo close to voting for captain falcon, but I decided to vote for pikachu instead, just 'cause he didn't have any votes yet, and thunder is an amazingly epic move... PIKA....CHUUUU!!!!! [[Special:Contributions/202.173.132.19|202.173.132.19]] 21:39, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#I ''hate'' Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu! I choose you! ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 03:44, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#Mushroom Kingdom II = ''Super Mario Bros. 2''! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu's the highest in the tier list for SSB and I favour Pikachu over all of the characters anyway. [[Special:Contributions/81.155.90.214|81.155.90.214]] 04:32, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
# heh... PIKACHU IS THE COLOR OF CHEESE![[User:Brawliac|Brawliac]] ([[User talk:Brawliac|talk]]) 07:25, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Yellow...[[User:Mesuxelf|Mesuxelf]] [[Image:blazeicon.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Mesuxelf#top|talk]]) 10:36, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#Magicant is just weird. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu must beat Captain falcon. [[Special:Contributions/75.148.172.187|75.148.172.187]] 14:32, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
# Pikachu was the reason i ever heard about this game, and has always been my main character.(I decided this years before i first saw the tier list)--[[User:Jespoke|Jespoke]] ([[User talk:Jespoke|talk]]) 16:04, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the ''Earthbound'' series. ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
# Pikachu rocks in all ways! I can pwn everything in my path with its awesome Thunder attack!! ( I used to pause everytime I used it on a character to see their bone structure xD ) --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 16:16, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu is number one. That's why I voted for him. --[[User:Smash-jay|Smash-jay]] ([[User talk:Smash-jay|talk]]) 17:39, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#I like Melee... and Mario... [[Special:Contributions/54.175.143.180|54.175.143.180]] 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu is a top tier, vote him. Don't vote for Samus, she's "bottom tier." [[Special:Contributions/151.213.188.106|151.213.188.106]] 09:15, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#It's very close for me,  but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. [[User:Dakota.952|Dakota.952]] [[User talk:Dakota.952]] 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu is one of my best fighters in all three SSB. --[[User:UilMash|UilMash]] ([[User talk:UilMash|talk]]) 12:23, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. [[User:CaptainGamer|Captain Gamer]] ([[User talk:CaptainGamer|talk]]) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
#Go! Masterofcheapshots! Use cheap shot![[Special:Contributions/70.184.17.31|70.184.17.31]] 13:06, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game [[User:XVI|XVI]] ([[User talk:XVI|talk]]) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu is my best character on brawl and melee. I also love pokemon a lot.[[User:Pikachu8090|Pikachu8090]] ([[User talk:Pikachu8090|talk]]) 18:44, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. [[User:Kbimbatti22|Kbimbatti22]] ([[User talk:Kbimbatti22|talk]]) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
# Pikachu is made of win, for the win.[[Special:Contributions/76.240.219.167|76.240.219.167]] 16:53, 13 December 2010 (EST)
#I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. [[User:Sparkwave|Sparkwave]] ([[User talk:Sparkwave|talk]]) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
#Pikachu is cute, fast, awesome, and short. Not to mention he's fairly balanced and strong, and that I love pokémon. Their games are second only to SSB Brawl. [[User:Dr.PikaLinkSmash|Dr. PikaLinkSmash]] ([[User talk:Dr.PikaLinkSmash|talk]]) 20:29, 13 December 2010 (EST)
#I don't know what to say [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
#The reason why Pikachu is that Awesome is because he's cute and cubby fat. [[Special:Contributions/75.89.71.227|75.89.71.227]] 09:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
#Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! [[File:SSB4DarkSonicHead.png|17px|link=User:SonicSpeed48]][[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<font color="navyblue">''Speed'''''48'''</font>]] 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
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#I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
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#Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! [[User:NicoNiconii|NicoNiconii]] ([[User talk:NicoNiconii|talk]]) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
#I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. --[[Special:Contributions/203.128.94.27|203.128.94.27]] 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
#I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)[[User:Super Eli|Super Eli]] ([[User talk:Super Eli|talk]]) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
#--[[Special:Contributions/14.199.84.205|14.199.84.205]] 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#Here I am. [[User:UltimateWoomy|UltimateWoomy]] ([[User talk:UltimateWoomy|talk]]) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
#[[Super Mario Bros. 2]] is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing  that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.[[Magicant]]’s a pretty good stage too [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
#I MADE UP MY MIND! [[User:BESTIDIOTEVER|BESTIDIOTEVER]] ([[User talk: BESTIDIOTEVER|talk]]) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#Magican't win! [[User:RK50||RK50]] ([[User talk: RK50|talk]]) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)
#It's the obvious choice to go with the face of gaming's sequel! Johnson T. Shy Guy 17:36, 19 December (EDT)
#The song has been stuck in my head all day, so I can't not vote this. [[Special:Contributions/63.224.129.183|63.224.129.183]] 15:34, 23 January 2019 (EST)
#The hazards and stuff are much more creative. Are there even any in Magicant? [[Special:Contributions/KingKRool26|KingKRool26]] 8:00, 14 February 2019 (EST)
#I vote for Mushroom Kingdom II becuase overall I think it looks better as a stage then Magicant. 8:56 AM 18 February 2019 (CST)
#Mushroom Kingdom II is overall a much better stage to fight on, despite the fact it's a walk-off stage. And there's no Flying Man. 2:43 PM, 4 March 2019 (EST)
#I like Mario. And Magicant sounds too much like Magic can't. [[Special:Contributions/50.43.56.91|50.43.56.91]] 19:30, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
#''A-sla-a-sla-a-sla-tte-ry...'' When I was young, not only did I make up the aforementioned lyrics for the ''SMB2'' theme's opening notes, but I wrote an unintentional self-insert fanfic based on ''SMB2''. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 01:24, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
#I love retro stages, Magicant is camping galore as well, soooooo[[User:Azantix|Azantix]] ([[User talk:Azantix|talk]]) 11:52, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
#Magicant made a level 9 Luigi look dumb.[[User:Snorlax TheGreat|Snorlax TheGreat]] ([[User talk:Snorlax TheGreat|talk]]) 08:15, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 13:08, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer beating up Birdo over getting beat up by Chicken Man[[Special:Contributions/198.98.24.19|198.98.24.19]] 19:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer Mushroom Kingdom II because I am a Mario Fan.[[User:Crocodile Dippy 2|Crocodile Dippy 2]] ([[User talk:Crocodile Dippy 2|talk]]) 14:14, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
#Jesus this hasn't been updated in a while...but yeah Magicant sucks. '''Your Senpai,''' [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Warrior'''</span>]] 12:13, November 20, 2019 (EST)
#everything is better than flying man lol[[User:Stelgard M|Stelgard M]] ([[User talk:Stelgard M|talk]]) 17:24, December 25, 2019 (EST)
#Clearly, Flying Man is way to OP and unfair for the others when someone grabs him. I destroyed someone much better than me using him. They should trash either him or the stage. As for Mushroom Kingdom II, I have nothing against it. [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules|Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]]) 12:37, March 2, 2020 (EST)


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===Votes for ''Jigglypuff''===
#I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:MarioFighter64|MarioFighter64]] ([[User talk:MarioFighter64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarioFighter64|contribs]]) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)</small>
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#I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Cassinator|Cassinator]] ([[User talk:Cassinator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cassinator|contribs]]) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)</small>
#I was torn between Jiggs and Yoshi, but the lack of Jigglypuff votes cajoled me to vote here. I main Yoshi and Jigglypuff in SB64, but I actually think I'm a bit better with Jigglypuff. Yyyyep.[[User:Mowrt620|Mowrt620]] ([[User talk:Mowrt620|talk]])Mowrt620
#MKII FTW! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:180.191.158.100|180.191.158.100]] ([[User talk:180.191.158.100|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/180.191.158.100|contribs]]) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (EST)</small>
# Birdo is a better trophy than Flying Man in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:BowserIsBroken|BowserIsBroken]] ([[User talk:BowserIsBroken|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BowserIsBroken]]) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (EST) </small>
#i love this stage, I think it's a very interesting idea, but mostly, I just don't like the flying man from magicant.[[User:SpiritSquirtle|SpiritSquirtle]] ([[User talk:SpiritSquirtle|talk]]) 18:36, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
#MushroomKingdom Because I'ts One Of My Favorite Battle Stages, But I Have Respects To Magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Super Kirby X|Super Kirby X]] ([[User talk:Super Kirby X|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Super Kirby X|contribs]]) 1:00 29, September 24</small>
#Mario is my childhood. I also have never heard of magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.90.137.2|64.90.137.2]] ([[User talk:64.90.137.2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.90.137.2|contribs]]) 14:26, October 30, 2019</small>
#Couldn't care less about the other one. --[[User:lucina-is-better-than-marth]] <!--Not signed properly-->
#I like melee better, so Mushroom Kingdom 2 for me. [[Special:Contributions/80.155.164.74|80.155.164.74]] 04:50, September 24, 2019 (EDT) <!--Improper formatting (no #'s)-->
#I don't like this stage that much but I REALLY don't like Magicant so this one gets my vote. -[[User:Chiruria|'''''Chiruria!''''']] 12:52, February 21, 2020 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Magicant''===
===Votes for ''Captain Falcon''===
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#Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
# C Falcon was the **** and his uair still destroys, FALCON PUNCH [[Special:Contributions/129.82.71.91|129.82.71.91]] 18:36, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
# My main, and the Punch is at it's best, before a bujillion nerfs in later games. ''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:navy;">havoC--</span>]]'' 19:19, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
#Oh man, such a tough decision. I love pretty much all the characters in 64, but if I had to go with one, JUST ONE, it would be Falcon, with his retardedly sexy combo ability, and, of course, the almighty Falcon Punch. It's such a shame what they did to him in Brawl. I used to call him Captain Falcman when I was younger, which is a sign of how many he is!! [[User:Anthony1996|Anthony1996]] ([[User talk:Anthony1996|talk]]) 19:31, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
#Captain Falcon has always been my favourite character. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 22:51, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. [[File:RagnarokSignature.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: red;">'''Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire''']]</span> [[User talk:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: black;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
#FALCON PUNCH! That is all. [[User:Ryder|Ryder]] ([[User talk:Ryder|talk]]) 03:36, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. [[User:Kirbitzein|Kirbitzein]] ([[User talk:Kirbitzein|talk]]) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
#Captain Falcon has insanely awesome manlyness, so I must vote for this manly man. [[User:Welikeikeandfoxes|Welikeikeandfoxes]] ([[User talk:Welikeikeandfoxes|talk]]) 04:39, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. [[User:Warriorking98|Warriorking98]] 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
#He's just cool. [[Special:Contributions/98.214.56.196|98.214.56.196]] 09:30, 11 December 2010 (EST)
#I like this stage a lot. --[[Special:Contributions/142.229.115.125|142.229.115.125]] 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#THE KNEE!!! [[User:Jacobdf11|- Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw]] ([[User talk:Jacobdf11|talk]]) 09:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
#I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. [[User:Mudmag|Mudmag]] ([[User talk:Mudmag|talk]])
#FALCO PAUNCH GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE KNEE THE KICK EVERYTHING!!!!!! HE IS THE BEST!!!!!!!
#It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. [[User:Andreepika11233|Andreepika11233]] ([[User talk:Andreepika11233|talk]]) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
#A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
#Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. [[User:RisingFalcon|RisingFalcon]] ([[User talk:RisingFalcon|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#Prettier and chock full of cool references. [[User:TheDavsto|TheDavsto]] ([[User talk:TheDavsto|talk]]) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
#Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. [[User:Super A|Super A]] ([[User talk:Super A|talk]]) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
#It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. [[User:AquaShield11097|<span style="color: blue;">Aqua Shield</span>]] ([[User talk:AquaShield11097|''<span style="color: darkblue;">talk</span>'']]) [[File:AquaShield.png|20px]] 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
#Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P [[User:OctopusSandwich|OctopusSandwich]] 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
#--[[Special:Contributions/180.249.127.254|180.249.127.254]] 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
#[[User:KoreanPJs|KoreanPJs]] ([[User talk:KoreanPJs|talk]]) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
#RPGs > Platformers. --[[Special:Contributions/113.212.233.12|113.212.233.12]] 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. [[User:MimoMQ|MimoMQ]] ([[User talk:MimoMQ|talk]]) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#As a massive fan of the Mother series, this is a absolutely beautiful stage. Any mario stage (except for Ney Donk City Hall) is just to tell you how great the mario games are. (Fourside will always be the best mother stage). [[User:MasterDuelist_24|MasterDuelist_24]] ([[User talk:MasterDuelist_24|talk]]) 10:39, 31 January 2019 (EST)
#The Flying Man ruins the stage but with stage hazards off its no biggie. Mushroom Kingdom II is too small to fight on. [[User:Tyler730|Tyler730]] ([[User talk:Tyler730|talk]]) 13:05, 2 February 2019 (EST)
#One of my favorites. --[[Special:Contributions/24.146.71.225|24.146.71.225]] 18:22, 4 February 2019 (EST)
#it looks so cool man.[[User:Iamthedude|Iamthedude]] ([[User talk:Iamthedude|talk]]) 21:55, 24 February 2019 (EST)
#Magicant has godlike music and looks incredible. Makes me want an Earthbound Beginnings remake. --[[User:Plague von Karma|Plague von Karma]] ([[User talk:Plague von Karma|talk]]) 01:32, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
#Wow i never actually voted for this, anyway if this was exclusivly for the 3ds version of Magicant, then i'd say the other stage is better, but Magicant for ultimate looks so good to me it is almost no contest. Plus it isnt a walk-off <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 10:39, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
#I like the stage in its entirety, and Mario stages are boring. Plus, Magicant is very cute. I like the pink. [[Special:Contributions/75.86.147.26|75.86.147.26]] 07:15, May 26, 2019 (EDT)
#I think this stage looks cooler than the other. That's pretty much all. [[User:JRJ007|JRJ007]] ([[User talk:JRJ007|talk]]) 19:39, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
#The stage is cute. Plus, the Flying Man is great. [[User:LucasRules|LucasRules]] ([[User talk:LucasRules|talk]]) 17:34, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
#This one's far more creative than MK2, and the Flying Men aren't too annoying when you learn how they function. --[[User:MeatBall104|<span style="color: red">'''''Meat'''''</span>]][[User talk:MeatBall104|<span style="color: orange">'''''Ball'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|<span style="color:Gold">'''''104'''''</span>]] [[File:MB104Pic2.jpg|20px]] 09:45, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
#Surprised this is still going on. I love both stages but I'm giving my vote to Magicant. Overall better looking stage and Ultimate's hazerdless option make it better to have a serious fight on in my (as I call it since I never played in real tournaments) pseudo tournaments, and generally I want to support the EarthBound franchise.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 02:09, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
# Two words: Walk-offs. Maybe that's one word. Whatever's the case, stages where you can walk into the blast zone are a bane for competitive and casual players alike, whether you're getting back-throwed into oblivion, or a combo brings you a little bit to far to the left while, frustratingly, you were close to 0%. [[User:Mogo|Mogo]] ([[User talk:Mogo|talk]]) 08:02, 6/10/2019 (EST)
#FLYING MAN!!!![[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 11:06, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#It looks like pink cotton candy!!!![[Special:Contributions/71.9.47.77|71.9.47.77]] 11:30, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#Let's just say this stage really appeals to me personally. --[[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
#It doesn't have a walk-off section. Better for gameplay imo. [[Special:Contributions/156.57.171.73|156.57.171.73]] 15:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)RSdabeast
#Great music, great callbacks to MOTHER 1, and just a great stage in general. It was a bit better in Smash 4 because the memories looked cooler and flying man was stronger, but Ultimate made it bigger so it's fine. Magicant best stage.[[Special:Contributions/12.148.188.195|12.148.188.195]] 19:31, October 2, 2019 (EDT)
#Music is better, has nice throwbacks to an amazing RPG. Except Flying Man. Flying Man can die. <span style="font-family: SimHei;color: orange;background-color: green;">LegendEH Is Very [[User talk:LegendEH|Handsome]]~</span> 11:22, November 22, 2019 (EST)
#I hate walk offs. they make me sad. [[User:CMWAidanx|CMWAidanx? Yikes.]] ([[User talk:CMWAidanx|talk]]) 16:42, December 2, 2019 (EST) 16:41 EST, 12/2/2019
#As of the visual update in Ultimate, I am now much more fond of this stage. It's also more fun to play on now, especially because you can spike opponents through the clouds. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:10, December 22, 2019 (EST)
#Magicant is just better to fight on in my opinion. Flying Man is pretty annoying, but the reason I'm giving a full vote because it has better music, and platforms, just listening to Unfounded Revenge/Smashing song of praise while fighting as Ness/Lucas on Magicant is enough to make me feel better. [[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']] 04:31, April 11, 2020 (EDT)


===Half votes===
===Half Votes===
#This stage is more fun in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.204.16.209|73.204.16.209]] ([[User talk:73.204.16.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.204.16.209|contribs]]) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)</small>
# Captain Falcon not only, he's fast he has a huge power, so don't vote on the other charaters, vote on captain falcon.--[[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 07:13, 12 December 2010 (EST)
#I prefer the music and the stage layout over Mushroom Kingdom II. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Epic Meme God|Epic Meme God]] ([[User talk:Epic Meme God|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Epic Meme God|contribs]]) 20:27, 5 February 2019 (EST)</small>
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#Mushroom Kingdom 2 is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, it's in Supcon!!! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:LinkBoy|LinkBoy]] ([[User talk:LinkBoy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LinkBoy|contribs]]) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (EST)</small>
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#I am a massive fan of the Mother series, and plus this stage is beautiful. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Xay1494|Xay1494]] ([[User talk:Xay1494|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xay1494|contribs]]) 20:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)</small>
#Magicant also references Earthbound Zero. Its a fun stage with the Flyingmen. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:FlaminKirb|FlaminKirb]] ([[User talk:FlaminKirb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FlaminKirb|contribs]]) 12:56, April 12, 2019</small>
#Magicant hazards off is pretty nice for casual doubles/free for all’s not gonna lie. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:ThiccMan|ThiccMan]] ([[User talk:ThiccMan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ThiccMan|contribs]]) 08:27, 2019 April 13</small>
#I love this stage a lot! If I am not feeling like a serious 1v1, I might do a slightly more casual free-for-all on this stage. 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EST) Kalifguest22 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kalifguest22|Kalifguest22]] ([[User talk:Kalifguest22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kalifguest22|contribs]]) 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EDT)</small>
#FLYING BIRD MAN <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.5.117.14|69.5.117.14]] ([[User talk:69.5.117.14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.5.117.14|contribs]]) 19:22, December 11, 2019</small>
#Just better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:107.77.249.24|107.77.249.24]] ([[User talk:107.77.249.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/107.77.249.24|contribs]]) 16:32, December 12, 2019</small>
#As a casual smash player, this is a great stage for camping and a lot of people struggle with the bottom area.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:18.205.117.140|18.205.117.140]] ([[User talk:18.205.117.140|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/18.205.117.140|contribs]]) 19:24, March 19, 2020</small>


===Votes for ''Ness''===
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#i like ness and his strategic gameplay and plus hes the underdog. always go for the underdog![[User:Sonicsmasher777|Sonicsmasher777]] ([[User talk:Sonicsmasher777|talk]]) 19:37, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#(I haven't voted in Smash Arena for a long time, but I couldn't turn this one down :P). Anyway, I'm actually really good with Ness. Like what SonicSmasher said, I like the strategic gameplay too. Also, one of my favorite games is EarthBound. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 21:26, 10 December 2010 (EST)
#I think of all the characters in their respective games, at least before SSB64, Ness goes though the most character development. Feel free to prove me wrong.[[User:Dhawk|Dhawk]] ([[User talk:Dhawk|talk]]) 11:23, 12 December 2010 (EST)
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Toomai, are you sure this will work? Are there different rules for this fight? [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:52, 10 December 2010 (EST)
The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros 2}}''. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in [[Sudden Death]], it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:No idea if it'll "work", but hey, it'll be dang interesting, and you gotta do something new every now and then. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 20:02, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
::Wow Toomai, what a good idea to do, I also love that you chose this for the 64th round for a 64 game :D! Should we do this for Melee and Brawl also? [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 21:12, 10 December 2010 (EST)
Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
:::Do you really want a 40 character arena battle? [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 21:19, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.[[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
::Yeah there is little chance I'd consider anything above 12 participants; even this was a stretch. The format just isn't made for battle royals. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:40, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:Amazing stage picks for this Smash Arena
I always look forward to a new Smash Arena battle, but this one was a surprise. I really can't decide on my vote this time. [[User:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">Brawlingbrian</span>]][[Image:FalcoHead.png|20px]][[Image:SmashBall.png|20px]] [[User talk:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:cerulean">LAND</span><span style="color:orange">MASTER!</span>]]
How is this still going [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 04:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)
 
::The wiki status is still Red, so not much attention is placed onto this. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 14:54, 4 March 2019 (EST)
I dont think any vote will ever be harder than this one ToT forgive me mario,luigi,yoshi,DK,kirby,fox,ness,and captain falcon,specially you kirby and fox,my first and only mains ever in any smash game so many years ago when the game first came out,youre all awesome T~T[[User:Gig|Gig]] ([[User talk:Gig|talk]]) 01:59, 11 December 2010 (EST)
:::Still, these are supposed to be weekly, and it's been about 10 months. We should probably end this round at some point. <span style="color:lightblue">'''Everone123'''</span> [[File:Everone123 Sig.png|20px]] ([[User:Everone123|u]] / [[User talk:Everone123|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|c]]) 21:50, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::We are in a red Wiki status which means we must focus more on main articles than the SA. We can get new rounds once the status lowers to at least a yellow. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  21:58, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::We are now in the yellow status. It's still high, but we should probably have a new arena by the end of April. [[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:10, April 25, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
:::::We may be in yellow, but we are still in a very heavy yellow, which is honestly almost red, due to jokers reveal. It may seem like its unnecessary to have to wait this long but i dont think we should try to rush the admins right now. <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 12:29, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
::::That's fair.[[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:07, April 29, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
Hasn't this match been going for more than a year now?[[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 20:55, June 16, 2019 (EDT)


I think both stages are about equal in functionality when weighing strengths and weaknesses, but Magicant wins out for me not only because it's absolutely breathtaking, especially in Ultimate, but because of the rampant references to Mother 1 and 2. As anyone who has followed my edits knows (which I expect to be a grand total of zero), origins really really matter to me, so to see a stage crafted with such love for the source material just amazes me. Mushroom Kingdom II is no slouch either, but I'd argue it's slightly worse since almost all of its assets are just straight-up taken from All-Stars while Magicant uses mostly original models and animations. Sure it also takes things directly from both of the Mother games it appears in, but uses them sparingly and mostly just for a few cool call-backs in the background. I think it says a lot when I've never been a huge Mother fan and yet the love for the series put into this stage blows me away. [[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
I have a feeling that Captain Falcon is going to win by a landslide.... [[User:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">Brawlingbrian</span>]][[Image:FalcoHead.png|20px]][[Image:SmashBall.png|20px]] [[User talk:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:cerulean">LAND</span><span style="color:orange">MASTER!</span>]] 14:21, 11 December 2010 (EST)


...This is going to end soon right?<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 02:17, June 22, 2019 (EDT)
Me too. Just because of the falcon punch. Shure its funny and powerful but its near impossible to land. Does make for a great internet meam though![[User:Sonicsmasher777|Sonicsmasher777]] ([[User talk:Sonicsmasher777|talk]]) 21:16, 11 December 2010 (EST)
:It's not impossible. I'll show you if you get on [[SW:IRC|irc]]. ''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:navy;">havoC--</span>]]'' 21:29, 11 December 2010 (EST)
Very close match, either Pikachu or Captain falcon will win this. [[Special:Contributions/151.213.188.106|151.213.188.106]] 09:20, 12 December 2010 (EST)


OK I think this one has had its run and we should stop it now. We may be in red but my god this just dragged on and on and on and on... [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 10:08, June 25, 2019
The reason why some people chooses Captain falcon is because of his great power such as "FALCON PUNCH", and yes captain falcon was my second favorite SSB character. [[Special:Contributions/151.213.188.106|151.213.188.106]] 09:25, 12 December 2010 (EST)
:If smash arena is supposed to have a new match weekly, this is exatly 1 year, 3 weeks, and 1 day overdue.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 20:35, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
:Also because he's pretty fast and he has those funny, manly features to him and maybe because all of his special moves start with falcon. I find it sad how Pikachu is winning all because of the outdated tier list from like a year ago :p. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 10:13, 12 December 2010 (EST)
OK END THIS ALREADY THIS IS ALREADY TOO MUCH TIME OR HELL EVEN CANCEL SMASH ARENA ENTIRELY, I DON'T CARE, JUST END IT. [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 21:21, July 17, 2019
:: Hey, I resent that. I voted for pikachu simply because of his amazing b-down move. I never pay attention to the tier lists anyway. (That's my vote on the top of the pikachu list, I just forgot to log on.) [[User:Fuddlebob|Fuddlebob]] ([[User talk:Fuddlebob|talk]]) 21:34, 12 December 2010 (EST)
:First, calm down, it's not like this will go on for another millennium again. Second I will contact the admin team regarding when this will end.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 05:43, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
:::Arguments are not to take place on the SA. Take it off Wiki.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:32, 12 December 2010 (EST)
When will we get a new Smash Arena? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 17:52, September 4, 2019 (EDT)


Just gonna put it here, do not comment on when we are getting another Smash Arena. The admins will get to it when they get to it, and asking again and again will get you nowhere. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 18:39, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
@Shaun's Wiji Dodo: Nintendo trademarked that catchphrase. :P. ''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:navy;">havoC--</span>]]'' 11:56, 12 December 2010 (EST)


Ok, so when’s the new Smash Arena coming? Genuine confusion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:TCBlitz|TCBlitz]] ([[User talk:TCBlitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TCBlitz|contribs]]) 22:13, November 12, 2019</small>
You know, I feel that most of these battles are extremely one-sided. I know that its supposed to be a battle between some characters with a common characteristic, but sometimes tha match is more one-sided than DK vs D3! Just look at some of the past contests! [[User:T.testLP|T.testLP]]<small>[[User Talk:T.testLP|The Communicator]]|[[Special:Contributions/T.testLP|The...Whatever]][[File:GanondorfHead.png|20px]]Ganondorf da bess!</small> 22:44, 12 December 2010 (EST)
:Read what I said above. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:11, December 9, 2019 (EST)
:With everyone voting for Pikachu, who is beyond Captain Falcon, it really makes you wonder how come people don't vote properly :3--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 22:45, 12 December 2010 (EST)
Uhhh... how long has this been on? I just made my account in March and, judging by your comments, it's been like, two years. [[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']] 04:37, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
Did i ever think of tier lists because of that mouse. [[Special:Contributions/71.29.73.89|71.29.73.89]] 08:56, 13 December 2010 (EST)


:Smash Arena is not a priority as of right now. The admins will make a new one eventually, not yet just. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 04:40, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
Poor Luigi is getting all these half votes :'( [[User:Jacobdf11|- Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw]] ([[User talk:Jacobdf11|talk]]) 09:39, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::If you want, you can join our Discord. We have an active Smash Arena there. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:49, April 13, 2020 (EDT)
:While it certainly sucks I can't say it's not ironically humourous. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 11:12, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::How so? [[User:Jacobdf11|- Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw]] ([[User talk:Jacobdf11|talk]]) 16:10, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::Luigi is an off character :p--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 17:55, 13 December 2010 (EST)
Can any one vote for Jigglypuff before 5 days pass? I know Pikachu's my favorite but jig is lonely. [[Special:Contributions/75.89.70.93|75.89.70.93]] 17:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:Well if you want to, you can change your vote if it has not been a half vote. Nothing stops you from doing so.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 18:01, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::You can change your vote if it was a half-vote; you just can't move it out of the Half-Votes section without changing your vote. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] 19:03, 13 December 2010 (EST)


Huh, I guess that's the end of Smash Arena. I stopped following it a few years back. RIP. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 00:15, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
I enjoy watching people try to coerce people into voting for people, especially using the tier list, like the 10th vote in pikachu's votes. [[User:Welikeikeandfoxes|Welikeikeandfoxes]] ([[User talk:Welikeikeandfoxes|talk]]) 12:51, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::Smash Arena is on Discord now, the SA tab links to its page. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:21, April 23, 2020 (EDT)
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==Round 256: [[Sheik]] vs. [[Greninja]]==
==Round 63: [[75m]] vs. [[Green Hill Zone]]==
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|style="width:100%; background:#dfdfdf; padding:5px" colspan="6"|While neither of these stages are tournament-friendly, they're both located in places that started their respective series (and arguably the big two gaming streams of the 90s). Is the iconic construction site or the loopy grassland the more popular battleground?
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#It's fun throwing barrels as Donkey Kong on this stage in Brawl Minus. Plus, overly large stages > overly small stages for me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 18:35, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#This is a classic! And who cares if it's not fair. Not all stages have to be 100% tournament safe, people. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:35, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#While I enjoy the defending lightbulb spinners on Green Hill Zone, the utter and awesome randomness of 75m never ceases to amaze me. And I always find the most hilarious KO's to be on that stage. [[User:Welikeikeandfoxes|Welikeikeandfoxes]] ([[User talk:Welikeikeandfoxes|talk]]) 20:46, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Let's see..... A stage featuring DK and Mario.... Or a stage featuring sonic.... Hmmmmm. Well, Dk and Mario it is!<span style="font-family:Jokerman">[[User:Vincent Tran|<span style="color:salmon">Vincent</span>]] [[User talk:Vincent Tran|<span style="color:red">Tran</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Vincent Tran|Blorbs?]]</span>[[File:Kirby-1.png|30px]] 21:14, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#I prefer stages that are from a decade before other stages... --[[User:Smash-jay|Smash-jay]] ([[User talk:Smash-jay|talk]]) 22:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Though I prefer GHZ's music, and is less cheap, 75m for starting off Mario and Donkey Kong. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:navy;">havoC--</span>]]''''' 23:37, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#I am king of this level. Just sit on my favourite platform and wait it out until everyone else has died! ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 09:15, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#I agree with Omega Tyrant: small stages suck. <font face="Helvetica" color="silver">[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#008080">Doctor Pain 99</font>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> 16:45, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#I'm not really a fan of either, but here's the thing. Green Hill zone is subject to tons of kills on the sides. Sure this is true with 75m as well, but it's bigger, and ergo less likely. Both stages are very cramped, but 75m is a bigger cramp, so yeah, I'm having trouble getting my point across on that one, heh. The spinning checkpoints are WAY cheaper than the fire guys and DK. DK can be easily avoided, the fire guys are a pain, but not too bad. The only things are the springs, which I admit are annoying as Meta Knight's Tornado! Hey, I never said I liked 75m, it's just the least bad of the two. And on a side note, I absolutely HATE the Sonic music. My least favorite songs of the series come from there primarily. There are a few good ones, like the Green Hill Zone theme song, but those annoying-arse songs like Seven Rings in Hand are just weird. We don't need sappy rock songs during a Brawl. And I don't even want to speak about Sonic Racers 'shudders'. I like all three of 75m's songs. 25 BGM was very nostalgic for me (sure I'm a teenager, but I used to play my fair share of old video games, like Donkey Kong), the Donkey Kong remix was just awesome and fun, and the Donkey Kong opening was just...yeah. Not bad. So! There was have it, 75m has my vote. My very long vote at that. [[User:Mowrt620|Mowrt620]] ([[User talk:Mowrt620|talk]])Mowrt620
#I dont have this stage yet, but it looks fun![[Special:Contributions/207.190.75.131|207.190.75.131]] 19:08, 5 December 2010 (EST)
# 75 m is like... bringing the old times... green hill zone? not really [[User:Lucasthefourth|Lucasthefourth]] ([[User talk:Lucasthefourth|talk]]) 14:38, 6 December 2010 (EST)
#75m isn't camped hard enough compared to GHZ. Seriously, Green Hill's the most campy stage ever to be declared legal. (Though it was declared illegal afterwards.)[[User:T.testLP|T.testLP]]<small>[[User Talk:T.testLP|The Communicator]]|[[Special:Contributions/T.testLP|The...Whatever]][[File:GanondorfHead.png|20px]]Ganondorf da bess!</small> 23:52, 6 December 2010 (EST)
#75m is better as I like Mario series! Also, I hate Green Hill Zone as I hate Sonic series! Super Smash Bros. series are suppose to be a battle of Nintendo game characters! That Sonic the Humbug is corrupting the Super Smash Bros. series along with Slow-mind Snake! Super Smash Bros. series is about to turn into M.U.G.E.N.!!! Anyway, I don't like bent stages(hard to do side smash).[[User:SuperMarioKingdom|SuperMarioKingdom]] ([[User talk:SuperMarioKingdom|talk]])SuperMarioKingdom
#I may not have been alive when Donkey Kong came out, but it still makes me nostalgic XD[[User:Dhawk|Dhawk]] ([[User talk:Dhawk|talk]]) 20:46, 8 December 2010 (EST)


#Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
===Half-Votes===
#Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. <span style="color:Green;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''--'''</span>[[User:Penro|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Pen'''</span>]][[User talk:Penro|<span style="color:Black; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px black">'''ro'''</span>]] 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
#Donkey kong is better than Sonic! 75m is more fun! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:85.250.155.73|85.250.155.73]] ([[User talk:85.250.155.73|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.250.155.73|contribs]]) 12:56, 4 December 2010 (EST)</small>
#Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
#Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? [[User:Iron Gladiator|Iron Reggie, Master of Memes]] ([[User talk:Iron Gladiator|talk]]) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
#I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier [[User:SmileFtw123|SmileFtw123]] ([[User talk:SmileFtw123|talk]]) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
#I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.--[[Special:Contributions/192.197.128.21|192.197.128.21]] 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
#I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --[[User:UnbeatableSith|UnbeatableSith]] ([[User talk:UnbeatableSith|talk]]) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
# [[Special:Contributions/174.53.1.71|174.53.1.71]] 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
#She has a chain. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
#I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)


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#Shiek is better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.234.62.218 |24.234.62.218 ]] ([[User talk:24.234.62.218 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.234.62.218 |contribs]]) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)</small>
#very good at aerial combos# <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.222.194.39|73.222.194.39]] ([[User talk:73.222.194.39|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.222.194.39|contribs]]) 03:46, 9 January 2018</small>
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===Votes for ''Green Hill Zone''===
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#My suggestion is up! I like Sonic :p--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 18:31, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Frankly, 75m is my least favorite stage. Besides, I like the spinning balloon things on Green Hill Zone. [[User:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:green">Brawlingbrian</span>]][[Image:FalcoHead.png|20px]][[Image:SmashBall.png|20px]] [[User talk:Brawlingbrian|<span style="color:cerulean">LAND</span><span style="color:orange">MASTER!</span>]]
#I really dislike 75m. Green Hill Zone is a little plain, but it's much better than 75m. Besides, the music is better there, too. [[User:Green Mario|Green Mario]] ([[User talk:Green Mario|talk]]) 19:19, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Just finished Sonic Colors so I'm feeling in a Sonic mood.-[[User:Ivy73|<span style="color:forestgreen">Ivy</span>]][[User talk:Ivy73|<span style="color:blue">73</span>]][[File:002MS.png]] 19:21, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#75m deserves to die in a hole. It's my least favorite stage EVER. IN ANY GAME. [[Special:Contributions/24.164.142.186|24.164.142.186]] 20:48, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Funner stage than 75m. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 21:15, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#I'm just gonna vote for this crap because you can actually fight and do combos here and its not like a whole obstacle course. Also this is a huge advantage to Dedede :D! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 22:45, 3 December 2010 (EST)
#Better stage, easier to fight in it, and because i prefer Sonic then DK. --[[User:UilMash|UilMash]] ([[User talk:UilMash|talk]]) 01:48, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#It´s easier to fight in this stage, and the music rocks! [[User:Ryder|Ryder]] ([[User talk:Ryder|talk]]) 05:06, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#Even though it's so cramped, I prefer it over 75m, alot. [[Special:Contributions/81.155.90.214|81.155.90.214]] 05:07, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#Ít´s way more easy to fight , and 75m can kill you. [[Special:Contributions/85.240.154.113|85.240.154.113]] 06:10, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#Ugh. 75m is an absolute hell level for me. Any level that makes your character the size of a postage stamp is absolutely annoying, and the springs — sorry, "jacks" — and chance of Donkey Kong hitting you are downright aggravating. Then we have Green Hill Zone. Friend to many, enemy to Robotnik. The ground breaks off (though you can just jump to get out of it), there's the easily-avoidable but oh-so-fun spinning checkpoint, and then we have the left-right boundaries that are very close to the edge of the screen… but not quite as close as those of 75m. No contest. [[User:Reflex|<span style="color: blue;">Re</span>]][[User talk:Reflex|<span style="color: green;">fl</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Reflex|<span style="color: red;">ex</span>]] 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#I love this level so much because the checkpoint its fun blowing others using it, I also hate level 75m its hard [[User:zeezow|zeezow]] 07:02, 4 december 2010 (EST)
#SONIC IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![[User:Brawliac|Brawliac]] ([[User talk:Brawliac|talk]]) 15:47, 4 December 2010 (EST)
# First of all, I think that Green Hill Zone Is WAY easier to play on! Second, GHZ has WAY better music. Third, You don't have to go crazy trying to get on the moving platforms. Forth, GHZ actually HAS a BackGround! And fifth, Cooler. [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesuxelf]] [[Image:blazeicon.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Mesuxelf#top|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#GHZ is the main level of my favorite charecter so i got to pick it.[[User:Sonicsmasher777|Sonicsmasher777]] ([[User talk:Sonicsmasher777|talk]]) 23:41, 4 December 2010 (EST)
#Green Hill Zone is all kinds of fun. Great music, ok size, fairly unobtrusive hazards... it's just a good stage overall! ~ [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]] ([[User talk:C.Olimar788|talk]]) 03:03, 5 December 2010 (EST)
#pfft what a joke of a match,green hill all the way,i wouldnt play on 75m even for fun,it only has one good song,looks like crap,and battling there is near impossible,would have been a better match if it was 75m vs that god forsaken crab infested sewer,cuz they both equally suck ass....should have brought back two N64 stages instead of those retro pieces of s#$t[[User:Gig|Gig]] ([[User talk:Gig|talk]]) 04:16, 5 December 2010 (EST)
#feels more realistic than 75mm[[User:Pikachu8090|Pikachu8090]] ([[User talk:Pikachu8090|talk]]) 10:57, 5 December 2010 (EST)
# Awesome music and i just hate 75m [[User:Jacobdf11|- Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw]] ([[User talk:Jacobdf11|talk]]) 14:13, 5 December 2010 (EST)
#I absolutely suck on 75m, while you can say I'm actually almost close to being 1% remotely close to being 1% decent on this stage, because I love taking advantage of those checkpoint things, as well as the falling ground. Also, cool music. [[User:Anthony1996|Anthony1996]] ([[User talk:Anthony1996|talk]]) 16:52, 5 December 2010 (EST)
# I really hate the spinning light-bulbs, but not as much as the random barrels and missing floor,--[[User:Jespoke|Jespoke]] ([[User talk:Jespoke|talk]]) 15:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
# I like how the 75m stage resembles the real level, BUT, I dislike the stage.  [[Special:Contributions/71.193.138.207|71.193.138.207]] 20:10, 9 December 2010 (EST)
 
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#i hate everything 8 bit . green hill zone is great on spinning route<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Pokemon master|Pokemon master]] ([[User talk:Pokemon master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemon master|contribs]]) 9:35, December 4, 2010 (EST)</small>
# Gotta go with Green Hill Zone. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:74.100.98.209|74.100.98.209]] ([[User talk:74.100.98.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.100.98.209|contribs]]) 19:59, 4 December 2010 (EST)</small>
#I totally HATE! 75m because when the D.K. pops out and the (it looks like springs) come flying at you and WHAM! K.O. i'd rather choose Green Hill Zone because i LOVE the look of it and Silver,Tails, and Knuckles going around behind the stage is cool BUUUUT! one little bad thing i don't like is one of the music (right there ride on) WHO WOULD MAKE THAT THE LYRICS! it's a little annoying i mean (right there ride on right there ride on) it's like SHUT UP! but other then that i love the other music.  <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:96.243.184.78|96.243.184.78]] ([[User talk:96.243.184.78|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/96.243.184.78|contribs]]) 14:14, 6 December 2010 (EST)</small>
# I just LOVE Green Hill Zone, and 75m Sucks, its too big and complicated, smash stages needs to be simple!. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:186.14.250.195|186.14.250.195]] ([[User talk:186.14.250.195|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/186.14.250.195|contribs]]) 15:15, 10 December 2010 (EST)</small>


===Votes for ''Greninja''===
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#I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#I like ''Pokémon'' more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in ''Smash'' is far more interesting to watch. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in ''Smash 4'' is... awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank [[User:Lasagna|lasagna B)]] ([[User talk:Lasagna|talk]]) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. [[Special:Contributions/24.52.19.237|24.52.19.237]] 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#Better nerf Greninja <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#{{Sm|iStudying}}. Nuff said. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
#--[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
#Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
#I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! [[User:Capnap64|Capnap64]] ([[User talk:Capnap64|talk]]) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
#Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
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Well, I just noticed that for the votes on Green Hill Zone, that it was numbered 1,2,1,2. [[User:Welikeikeandfoxes|Welikeikeandfoxes]] ([[User talk:Welikeikeandfoxes|talk]]) 20:47, 3 December 2010 (EST)
Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Master of Memes'''</span>]] 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)
:Fixed, something was wrong with a signature. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 21:41, 3 December 2010 (EST)
 
OT, you're actually wrong saying that Green hill is very small, I think its overall average size (A lot of sky XD). [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 14:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:Green Hill Zone is certainly one of the smallest stages in ''Brawl'', and I'm certainly not wrong when I say it's overly small. Sure, the amount of ground you can stand on may make it look "average", but there are no edges on the sides and the blast lines are suffocatingly close (which, the blast lines are what I use to consider a stage's size). But alas, read what I told Gig (which was also aimed at you) in the comments section in the previous Smash Arena battle. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:14, 4 December 2010 (EST)
 
@Mesuxelf: Of course 75m doesn't have a background, you have got to remember, you've got a stage from an NES games vs. a stage from a Sega Genesis (plus if they did add one it would be generic anyway). '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:navy;">havoC--</span>]]''''' 11:39, 5 December 2010 (EST)


This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. [[User:SmileFtw123]] [[User talk:SmileFtw123]]
I knew there were people who didn't like 75m but this vote right now is just ridiculous [[User:Jacobdf11|- Jacobdf11 Ganon ftw]] ([[User talk:Jacobdf11|talk]]) 18:24, 5 December 2010 (EST)
Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main


Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105
When you put it that way OT, it makes sense. Very unique stage. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 13:34, 5 December 2010 (EST)


Ay, they did change his final smash for Smash 5. Nice. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:18, November 5, 2019 (EST)
SuperMarioKingdom, your wrong saying that Snake is a slow character, Snake has some fast moves like DACUS, his tilts, throws, and some special moves are pretty fast. And they're not destroying the smash series at all, whats so wrong with a couple of guest? [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 17:43, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:Didn't I told you twice already that the Smash Arena is not a place for arguments? Stop trying to argue with anyone who posts something on here that you don't agree with. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::Well, there's no rule saying you can't argue about anything. So then it's ok. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 17:35, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::No rule saying you can't be an asshole here, yet you don't be an asshole. You waste time arguing and accomplish nothing.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 17:49, 10 December 2010 (EST)
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