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==Round 257: [[Mushroom Kingdom II]] vs. [[Magicant]]==
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===Votes for ''Mushroom Kingdom II''===
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:<s>1. Wow, who'd have thought that I would ever vote for a Melee stage over a Smash 4 stage? Unfortunately for Magicant, I just find the stage to be ugly and weird looking. It probably doesn't help that it runs on the 3DS but it doesn't look appealing to me in the slightest. On the other hand who can't love the design of a stage inspired by the classic Super Mario Bros. NES series itself? ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)</s>
#I ''hate'' Magicant with a passion. Going with the obvious better option. A classic too. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 12:48, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#Mushroom Kingdom II = ''Super Mario Bros. 2''! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 12:52, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#[[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  20:56, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#The only correct answer is Mushroom Kingdom II. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Magicant is just weird. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 08:41, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#This one's pretty close because I like trolling people with Flying Man, but this was my favorite Melee stage so nostalgia beats trolling. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 14:41, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
#Magicent's a cool stage, but I have no real relation with the ''Earthbound'' series. ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' is a good game. But speaking in terms of stages, Mushroom Kingdom II has more room to move around, no assist characters that will gang up on you (Birdo's only slightly annoying), and I like the Pidget. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 21:07, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
#I'm a sucker for nostalgia, plus I like this stage better anyway, so... yeah. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 15:22, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
#I like Melee... and Mario... [[Special:Contributions/54.175.143.180|54.175.143.180]] 21:39, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
#It's very close for me,  but I gotta go with MKII. it's such a throwback, I gotta go for it. Sorry Magicant. [[User:Dakota.952|Dakota.952]] [[User talk:Dakota.952]] 17:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
#For me it's either a game I have never played or a series I don't care about. That and I'm a big Mario fan. [[User:CaptainGamer|Captain Gamer]] ([[User talk:CaptainGamer|talk]]) 13:06, 16 July 2018 (EDT)
#mario bros. 2 is my choice for best nes game and this level captures my first experiences with the game [[User:XVI|XVI]] ([[User talk:XVI|talk]]) 18:33, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
#Even though I am a fan of Magicant because of the universe its in, Mushroom Kingdom II is just... better. In every way. [[User:Kbimbatti22|Kbimbatti22]] ([[User talk:Kbimbatti22|talk]]) 13:22, 25 July 2018 (EDT)l
#I like Magicant because it seems weird, BUT in this matchup Mushroom Kingdom II is better. It's more refined, stable and easier to play. Long live Ultimate. [[User:Sparkwave|Sparkwave]] ([[User talk:Sparkwave|talk]]) 12:06, 17 August 2018 (EDT)
#I don't know what to say [[User:Sammybambam11|Sammybambam11]] ([[User talk:Sammybambam11|talk]]) 14:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)
#Playing on Mario stages in Smash for me is an absolute treat, plus the retro-sounding music gives off so much nostalgia. Sorry Magicant, you're cool, but not as good as one of Mr. Video Game's home stages! [[File:SSB4DarkSonicHead.png|17px|link=User:SonicSpeed48]][[User talk:SonicSpeed48|<font color="navyblue">''Speed'''''48'''</font>]] 20:40, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
#I think Mushroom Kingdom II is a much bigger throwback to the classics. Sorry Magicant! [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 03:29, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
#Mushroom kingdom is superior. Sorry, earthbound fans! [[User:NicoNiconii|NicoNiconii]] ([[User talk:NicoNiconii|talk]]) 11:16, 2 November 2018 (EDT) NicoNiconii, November 2, 2018, 11:16 AM EST
#I've never played Earthbound so I'll cast my vote here. --[[Special:Contributions/203.128.94.27|203.128.94.27]] 10:29, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
#I am a HUGE Mario fan, and Magicant is very... odd. Go Mushroom Kingdom! Also, the music rocks:)[[User:Super Eli|Super Eli]] ([[User talk:Super Eli|talk]]) 04:51, 6 November 2018 (EST)
#--[[Special:Contributions/14.199.84.205|14.199.84.205]] 09:47, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#Here I am. [[User:UltimateWoomy|UltimateWoomy]] ([[User talk:UltimateWoomy|talk]]) 22:55, 11 November 2018 (EST)
#[[Super Mario Bros. 2]] is quite underrated so this stage is pretty cool for representing  that game, plus it’s coming back to Ultimate.[[Magicant]]’s a pretty good stage too [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 13:44, 15 November 2018 (EST)
#I MADE UP MY MIND! [[User:BESTIDIOTEVER|BESTIDIOTEVER]] ([[User talk: BESTIDIOTEVER|talk]]) 22:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#Magican't win! [[User:RK50||RK50]] ([[User talk: RK50|talk]]) 21:16, 15 December 2018 (EST)
#It's the obvious choice to go with the face of gaming's sequel! Johnson T. Shy Guy 17:36, 19 December (EDT)
#The song has been stuck in my head all day, so I can't not vote this. [[Special:Contributions/63.224.129.183|63.224.129.183]] 15:34, 23 January 2019 (EST)
#The hazards and stuff are much more creative. Are there even any in Magicant? [[Special:Contributions/KingKRool26|KingKRool26]] 8:00, 14 February 2019 (EST)
#I vote for Mushroom Kingdom II becuase overall I think it looks better as a stage then Magicant. 8:56 AM 18 February 2019 (CST)
#Mushroom Kingdom II is overall a much better stage to fight on, despite the fact it's a walk-off stage. And there's no Flying Man. 2:43 PM, 4 March 2019 (EST)
#I like Mario. And Magicant sounds too much like Magic can't. [[Special:Contributions/50.43.56.91|50.43.56.91]] 19:30, April 11, 2019 (EDT)
#''A-sla-a-sla-a-sla-tte-ry...'' When I was young, not only did I make up the aforementioned lyrics for the ''SMB2'' theme's opening notes, but I wrote an unintentional self-insert fanfic based on ''SMB2''. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 01:24, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
#I love retro stages, Magicant is camping galore as well, soooooo[[User:Azantix|Azantix]] ([[User talk:Azantix|talk]]) 11:52, June 24, 2019 (EDT)
#Magicant made a level 9 Luigi look dumb.[[User:Snorlax TheGreat|Snorlax TheGreat]] ([[User talk:Snorlax TheGreat|talk]]) 08:15, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 13:08, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer beating up Birdo over getting beat up by Chicken Man[[Special:Contributions/198.98.24.19|198.98.24.19]] 19:23, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
#I prefer Mushroom Kingdom II because I am a Mario Fan.[[User:Crocodile Dippy 2|Crocodile Dippy 2]] ([[User talk:Crocodile Dippy 2|talk]]) 14:14, September 11, 2019 (EDT)
#Jesus this hasn't been updated in a while...but yeah Magicant sucks. '''Your Senpai,''' [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Warrior'''</span>]] 12:13, November 20, 2019 (EST)
#everything is better than flying man lol[[User:Stelgard M|Stelgard M]] ([[User talk:Stelgard M|talk]]) 17:24, December 25, 2019 (EST)
#Clearly, Flying Man is way to OP and unfair for the others when someone grabs him. I destroyed someone much better than me using him. They should trash either him or the stage. As for Mushroom Kingdom II, I have nothing against it. [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules|Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]]) 12:37, March 2, 2020 (EST)

===Half votes===
#I’m just a sucker for Mario stages. Besides, who doens’t love the feeling of extreme nostalgia. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:MarioFighter64|MarioFighter64]] ([[User talk:MarioFighter64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarioFighter64|contribs]]) 20:02, 20 August 2018 (EDT)</small>
#I feel that it looks a lot cleaner than Magicant. It looks better. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Cassinator|Cassinator]] ([[User talk:Cassinator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cassinator|contribs]]) 20:55, 10 December 2018 (EST)</small>
#MKII FTW! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:180.191.158.100|180.191.158.100]] ([[User talk:180.191.158.100|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/180.191.158.100|contribs]]) 23:54, 17 December 2018 (EST)</small>
# Birdo is a better trophy than Flying Man in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:BowserIsBroken|BowserIsBroken]] ([[User talk:BowserIsBroken|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BowserIsBroken]]) 18:58, 21 February 2019 (EST) </small>
#i love this stage, I think it's a very interesting idea, but mostly, I just don't like the flying man from magicant.[[User:SpiritSquirtle|SpiritSquirtle]] ([[User talk:SpiritSquirtle|talk]]) 18:36, September 22, 2019 (EDT)
#MushroomKingdom Because I'ts One Of My Favorite Battle Stages, But I Have Respects To Magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Super Kirby X|Super Kirby X]] ([[User talk:Super Kirby X|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Super Kirby X|contribs]]) 1:00 29, September 24</small>
#Mario is my childhood. I also have never heard of magicant. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:64.90.137.2|64.90.137.2]] ([[User talk:64.90.137.2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/64.90.137.2|contribs]]) 14:26, October 30, 2019</small>
#Couldn't care less about the other one. --[[User:lucina-is-better-than-marth]] <!--Not signed properly-->
#I like melee better, so Mushroom Kingdom 2 for me. [[Special:Contributions/80.155.164.74|80.155.164.74]] 04:50, September 24, 2019 (EDT) <!--Improper formatting (no #'s)-->
#I don't like this stage that much but I REALLY don't like Magicant so this one gets my vote. -[[User:Chiruria|'''''Chiruria!''''']] 12:52, February 21, 2020 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Magicant''===
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#Better music, better environment, and a better stage to fight on, honestly. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 11:58, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 00:59, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
#Magicant is beautiful and way better looking --[[User:Myth|<font color="orange">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 13:53, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
#I hate Magicant because whoever gets the Flying Man is pretty much guaranteed a win unless they SD several times. However I'm giving it a vote out of Pity, because I like Earthbound, and because I absolutely despise Mushroom Kingdom II. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 09:32, 6 June 2018 (EDT)YoshisaurusThe9th
#The heck is wrong with y'all. MK2 is beat out in pretty much every department by Magicant. [[File:RagnarokSignature.png|20px|link=]] [[User:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: red;">'''Ragnarok320, The Toa of Fire''']]</span> [[User talk:Ragnarok320|<span style="color: black;">'''(talk)'''</span>]] 18:48, 5 July 2018 (EDT)
#Magicant looks great, and will likely look even better in Ultimate. MKII is fine, but not nearly as good or interesting as Magicant. [[User:Kirbitzein|Kirbitzein]] ([[User talk:Kirbitzein|talk]]) 01:41, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
#Flying Man is more helpful when it comes to KOing opponents than Birdo's eggs. [[User:Warriorking98|Warriorking98]] 22:26, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
#I like this stage a lot. --[[Special:Contributions/142.229.115.125|142.229.115.125]] 16:41, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
#I've never been a huge fan of retro stages. However, I am a huge fan of taking old, retro settings from games and remaking them in higher quality, and Magicant is a perfect candidate for this. It is aesthetically unique compared to almost every stage in smash with it's heavy amount of pink, and I love all of the Earthbound references. I like most of the hazards on this stage, but I understand that the flying men can be quite annoying. I can't wait to play on this stage in Ultimate, it's already looking stunning. [[User:Mudmag|Mudmag]] ([[User talk:Mudmag|talk]])
#It is so beautiful, this has good music and it is so enjoyable, and this is very rememorable to me, but the most fun part of this stage is the Flying Men. [[User:Andreepika11233|Andreepika11233]] ([[User talk:Andreepika11233|talk]]) 19:32, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
#A second, in my opinion poor attempt at constructing a good Mushroom Kingdom stage vs a beautiful, nostalgic stage from an equally great game. Magicant's an easy choice for me. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT) 
#Honestly, I haven't played on the SMB2 stage before. However, I HAVE played on this stage multiple times and I love the brightly colored, wacky style of it and the nice calm music that plays. Plus, the Flying Men sprites are cool! [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:13, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#I've never actually played on Mushroom Kingdom II, but Magicant is a much better looking stage, I like its series much more, and the music is phenomenal. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 12:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#Magicant wins for me hands down due to all the awesome references on this stage. Seeing the Dungeon Man and other parts of Mother 1+2 recreated in 3d is a real treat. [[User:RisingFalcon|RisingFalcon]] ([[User talk:RisingFalcon|talk]]) 19:26, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
#Prettier and chock full of cool references. [[User:TheDavsto|TheDavsto]] ([[User talk:TheDavsto|talk]]) 10:13, 11 September 2018 (EDT)
#Since I played for 3ds way more, I definitely would prefer this beautiful stage. [[User:Super A|Super A]] ([[User talk:Super A|talk]]) 19:37, 24 September 2018 (EDT)
#It has a better layout, great music, and gorgeous visuals (especially in Ultimate). The Flying Men may be annoying and I love the retro aesthetic of MK2 and similar stages, but Magicant's creative design makes it more memorable to me. [[User:AquaShield11097|<span style="color: blue;">Aqua Shield</span>]] ([[User talk:AquaShield11097|''<span style="color: darkblue;">talk</span>'']]) [[File:AquaShield.png|20px]] 22:43, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
#Gorgeous map. Nice design. Will be even better in Ultimate with the option to take out the flying man. :P [[User:OctopusSandwich|OctopusSandwich]] 20:24, 14 October 2018 (EDT)
#--[[Special:Contributions/180.249.127.254|180.249.127.254]] 04:36, 4 November 2018 (EST)
#[[User:KoreanPJs|KoreanPJs]] ([[User talk:KoreanPJs|talk]]) 03:10, 7 November 2018 (EST)
#RPGs > Platformers. --[[Special:Contributions/113.212.233.12|113.212.233.12]] 06:18, 10 November 2018 (EST)
#I only have Smash for 3ds and will be getting ultimate, and I know flying man ruins the stage, but with stage hazards off, this'll be a great stage. [[User:MimoMQ|MimoMQ]] ([[User talk:MimoMQ|talk]]) 19:43, 25 November 2018 (EST)
#As a massive fan of the Mother series, this is a absolutely beautiful stage. Any mario stage (except for Ney Donk City Hall) is just to tell you how great the mario games are. (Fourside will always be the best mother stage). [[User:MasterDuelist_24|MasterDuelist_24]] ([[User talk:MasterDuelist_24|talk]]) 10:39, 31 January 2019 (EST)
#The Flying Man ruins the stage but with stage hazards off its no biggie. Mushroom Kingdom II is too small to fight on. [[User:Tyler730|Tyler730]] ([[User talk:Tyler730|talk]]) 13:05, 2 February 2019 (EST)
#One of my favorites. --[[Special:Contributions/24.146.71.225|24.146.71.225]] 18:22, 4 February 2019 (EST)
#it looks so cool man.[[User:Iamthedude|Iamthedude]] ([[User talk:Iamthedude|talk]]) 21:55, 24 February 2019 (EST)
#Magicant has godlike music and looks incredible. Makes me want an Earthbound Beginnings remake. --[[User:Plague von Karma|Plague von Karma]] ([[User talk:Plague von Karma|talk]]) 01:32, April 9, 2019 (EDT)
#Wow i never actually voted for this, anyway if this was exclusivly for the 3ds version of Magicant, then i'd say the other stage is better, but Magicant for ultimate looks so good to me it is almost no contest. Plus it isnt a walk-off <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 10:39, April 24, 2019 (EDT)
#I like the stage in its entirety, and Mario stages are boring. Plus, Magicant is very cute. I like the pink. [[Special:Contributions/75.86.147.26|75.86.147.26]] 07:15, May 26, 2019 (EDT)
#I think this stage looks cooler than the other. That's pretty much all. [[User:JRJ007|JRJ007]] ([[User talk:JRJ007|talk]]) 19:39, June 2, 2019 (EDT)
#The stage is cute. Plus, the Flying Man is great. [[User:LucasRules|LucasRules]] ([[User talk:LucasRules|talk]]) 17:34, June 5, 2019 (EDT)
#This one's far more creative than MK2, and the Flying Men aren't too annoying when you learn how they function. --[[User:MeatBall104|<span style="color: red">'''''Meat'''''</span>]][[User talk:MeatBall104|<span style="color: orange">'''''Ball'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MeatBall104|<span style="color:Gold">'''''104'''''</span>]] [[File:MB104Pic2.jpg|20px]] 09:45, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
#Surprised this is still going on. I love both stages but I'm giving my vote to Magicant. Overall better looking stage and Ultimate's hazerdless option make it better to have a serious fight on in my (as I call it since I never played in real tournaments) pseudo tournaments, and generally I want to support the EarthBound franchise.[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;"> '''SupaToad64''' </span>]] [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 02:09, June 10, 2019 (EDT)
# Two words: Walk-offs. Maybe that's one word. Whatever's the case, stages where you can walk into the blast zone are a bane for competitive and casual players alike, whether you're getting back-throwed into oblivion, or a combo brings you a little bit to far to the left while, frustratingly, you were close to 0%. [[User:Mogo|Mogo]] ([[User talk:Mogo|talk]]) 08:02, 6/10/2019 (EST)
#FLYING MAN!!!![[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 11:06, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#It looks like pink cotton candy!!!![[Special:Contributions/71.9.47.77|71.9.47.77]] 11:30, June 15, 2019 (EDT)
#Let's just say this stage really appeals to me personally. --[[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)
#It doesn't have a walk-off section. Better for gameplay imo. [[Special:Contributions/156.57.171.73|156.57.171.73]] 15:06, August 20, 2019 (EDT)RSdabeast
#Great music, great callbacks to MOTHER 1, and just a great stage in general. It was a bit better in Smash 4 because the memories looked cooler and flying man was stronger, but Ultimate made it bigger so it's fine. Magicant best stage.[[Special:Contributions/12.148.188.195|12.148.188.195]] 19:31, October 2, 2019 (EDT)
#Music is better, has nice throwbacks to an amazing RPG. Except Flying Man. Flying Man can die. <span style="font-family: SimHei;color: orange;background-color: green;">LegendEH Is Very [[User talk:LegendEH|Handsome]]~</span> 11:22, November 22, 2019 (EST)
#I hate walk offs. they make me sad. [[User:CMWAidanx|CMWAidanx? Yikes.]] ([[User talk:CMWAidanx|talk]]) 16:42, December 2, 2019 (EST) 16:41 EST, 12/2/2019
#As of the visual update in Ultimate, I am now much more fond of this stage. It's also more fun to play on now, especially because you can spike opponents through the clouds. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 10:10, December 22, 2019 (EST)

===Half votes===
#This stage is more fun in my opinion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.204.16.209|73.204.16.209]] ([[User talk:73.204.16.209|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.204.16.209|contribs]]) 15:45, 11 September 2018 (EDT)</small>
#I prefer the music and the stage layout over Mushroom Kingdom II. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Epic Meme God|Epic Meme God]] ([[User talk:Epic Meme God|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Epic Meme God|contribs]]) 20:27, 5 February 2019 (EST)</small>
#Mushroom Kingdom 2 is not in the Mushroom Kingdom, it's in Supcon!!! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:LinkBoy|LinkBoy]] ([[User talk:LinkBoy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LinkBoy|contribs]]) 18:08, 8 March 2019 (EST)</small>
#I am a massive fan of the Mother series, and plus this stage is beautiful. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Xay1494|Xay1494]] ([[User talk:Xay1494|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xay1494|contribs]]) 20:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)</small>
#Magicant also references Earthbound Zero. Its a fun stage with the Flyingmen. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:FlaminKirb|FlaminKirb]] ([[User talk:FlaminKirb|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FlaminKirb|contribs]]) 12:56, April 12, 2019</small>
#Magicant hazards off is pretty nice for casual doubles/free for all’s not gonna lie. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:ThiccMan|ThiccMan]] ([[User talk:ThiccMan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ThiccMan|contribs]]) 08:27, 2019 April 13</small>
#I love this stage a lot! If I am not feeling like a serious 1v1, I might do a slightly more casual free-for-all on this stage. 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EST) Kalifguest22 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kalifguest22|Kalifguest22]] ([[User talk:Kalifguest22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kalifguest22|contribs]]) 18:33 September 24, 2019 (EDT)</small>
#FLYING BIRD MAN <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:69.5.117.14|69.5.117.14]] ([[User talk:69.5.117.14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.5.117.14|contribs]]) 19:22, December 11, 2019</small>
#Just better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:107.77.249.24|107.77.249.24]] ([[User talk:107.77.249.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/107.77.249.24|contribs]]) 16:32, December 12, 2019</small>
#As a casual smash player, this is a great stage for camping and a lot of people struggle with the bottom area.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:18.205.117.140|18.205.117.140]] ([[User talk:18.205.117.140|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/18.205.117.140|contribs]]) 19:24, March 19, 2020</small>

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The reason I love Mushroom Kingdom II is because of the music from ''{{s|mariowiki|Super Mario Bros 2}}''. First, you have the overworld theme during a match and when time is running out and in [[Sudden Death]], it changes to the boss battle theme! Great stage! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:Actually, Suzaku Castle in Smash 4 will do the same thing, although it has to be a specific track of music.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:09, 7 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
Someone keeps deleting my vote! I keep voting the same thing on Magicant, but every time I come back to the page to look at new votes, my vote is gone! I'm not sockpuppeting, so why do my votes keep being taken off? [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 12:00, 8 June 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
:Apparently someone with the same IP address has already voted. That's probably why it didn't count.[[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 08:40, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
:Amazing stage picks for this Smash Arena
How is this still going [[User talk:RetroPika|<font color="yellow">RetroPika</font>]][[File:PikachuHeadSSB.png|17px]] 04:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)
::The wiki status is still Red, so not much attention is placed onto this. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 14:54, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:::Still, these are supposed to be weekly, and it's been about 10 months. We should probably end this round at some point. <span style="color:lightblue">'''Everone123'''</span> [[File:Everone123 Sig.png|20px]] ([[User:Everone123|u]] / [[User talk:Everone123|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Everone123|c]]) 21:50, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::We are in a red Wiki status which means we must focus more on main articles than the SA. We can get new rounds once the status lowers to at least a yellow. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is made in America  21:58, March 15, 2019 (EDT)
::::We are now in the yellow status. It's still high, but we should probably have a new arena by the end of April. [[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:10, April 25, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
:::::We may be in yellow, but we are still in a very heavy yellow, which is honestly almost red, due to jokers reveal. It may seem like its unnecessary to have to wait this long but i dont think we should try to rush the admins right now. <span style="background:#ea244a;border:outset #906 5px">'''[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra]][[File:Xtra_headpng.png|20px]][[User talk:Xtra3678|<span style="color:Lime">Talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtra3678|<span style="color: Gold">Edits</span>]]'''</span> 12:29, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
::::That's fair.[[User:X-Biaur19|X-Biaur19]] ([[User talk:X-Biaur19|talk]]) 10:07, April 29, 2019 (EDT)X-Biaur19
Hasn't this match been going for more than a year now?[[User:DarkNight|DarkNight]] ([[User talk:DarkNight|talk]]) 20:55, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

I think both stages are about equal in functionality when weighing strengths and weaknesses, but Magicant wins out for me not only because it's absolutely breathtaking, especially in Ultimate, but because of the rampant references to Mother 1 and 2. As anyone who has followed my edits knows (which I expect to be a grand total of zero), origins really really matter to me, so to see a stage crafted with such love for the source material just amazes me. Mushroom Kingdom II is no slouch either, but I'd argue it's slightly worse since almost all of its assets are just straight-up taken from All-Stars while Magicant uses mostly original models and animations. Sure it also takes things directly from both of the Mother games it appears in, but uses them sparingly and mostly just for a few cool call-backs in the background. I think it says a lot when I've never been a huge Mother fan and yet the love for the series put into this stage blows me away. [[Special:Contributions/73.220.19.65|73.220.19.65]] 16:45, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

...This is going to end soon right?<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 02:17, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

OK I think this one has had its run and we should stop it now. We may be in red but my god this just dragged on and on and on and on... [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 10:08, June 25, 2019
:If smash arena is supposed to have a new match weekly, this is exatly 1 year, 3 weeks, and 1 day overdue.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 20:35, July 1, 2019 (EDT)
OK END THIS ALREADY THIS IS ALREADY TOO MUCH TIME OR HELL EVEN CANCEL SMASH ARENA ENTIRELY, I DON'T CARE, JUST END IT. [[User:Coconut2|<font color="cyan">Coconut2</font>]][[File:IsabelleHeadSSBU.png|20px]] 21:21, July 17, 2019
:First, calm down, it's not like this will go on for another millennium again. Second I will contact the admin team regarding when this will end.<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px  ]] 05:43, July 19, 2019 (EDT)
When will we get a new Smash Arena? [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 17:52, September 4, 2019 (EDT)

Just gonna put it here, do not comment on when we are getting another Smash Arena. The admins will get to it when they get to it, and asking again and again will get you nowhere. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 18:39, September 22, 2019 (EDT)

Ok, so when’s the new Smash Arena coming? Genuine confusion. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:TCBlitz|TCBlitz]] ([[User talk:TCBlitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TCBlitz|contribs]]) 22:13, November 12, 2019</small>
:Read what I said above. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 19:11, December 9, 2019 (EST)
Uhhh... how long has this been on? I just made my account in March and, judging by your comments, it's been like, two years. [[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']] 04:37, April 11, 2020 (EDT)

:Smash Arena is not a priority as of right now. The admins will make a new one eventually, not yet just. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 04:40, April 11, 2020 (EDT)
::If you want, you can join our Discord. We have an active Smash Arena there. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 17:49, April 13, 2020 (EDT)

Huh, I guess that's the end of Smash Arena. I stopped following it a few years back. RIP. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 00:15, April 16, 2020 (EDT)
::Smash Arena is on Discord now, the SA tab links to its page. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164{{#if:|_({{{3}}})}}|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy  23:21, April 23, 2020 (EDT)
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==Round 256: [[Sheik]] vs. [[Greninja]]==
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#Hmm some weird frog thing or a ninja of royalty? <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:44, 16 December 2017 (EST)
#Yeah Sheik is 10x more fun to play at high level, and way more interesting to watch than Greninja most of the time. <span style="color:Green;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">'''--'''</span>[[User:Penro|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Pen'''</span>]][[User talk:Penro|<span style="color:Black; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px black">'''ro'''</span>]] 08:41, 19 December 2017 (EST)
#Fun fact: when I was in primary school, I once wore a similar disguise and was known as Sheik for that day. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 22:27, 11 January 2018 (EST)
#Sheik has a grenade, martial arts training, needles, and exploding walnuts. Greninja has a long-ass tongue, a log, and a crappy doll. Who would you choose? [[User:Iron Gladiator|Iron Reggie, Master of Memes]] ([[User talk:Iron Gladiator|talk]]) 02:04, 28 January 2018 (EST)
#I like both of them but I like Sheik more cuz top tier [[User:SmileFtw123|SmileFtw123]] ([[User talk:SmileFtw123|talk]]) 03:05, 30 January 2018 (EST)
#I think I prefer Sheik a little bit more, so I guess I'll place my vote here.--[[Special:Contributions/192.197.128.21|192.197.128.21]] 13:16, 2 February 2018 (EST)
#I prefer Sheik's aesthetic design, and Greninja isn't a very good starter in my opinion. Neither is great to me, but I prefer Sheik. --[[User:UnbeatableSith|UnbeatableSith]] ([[User talk:UnbeatableSith|talk]]) 21:41, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
# [[Special:Contributions/174.53.1.71|174.53.1.71]] 10:57, 5 February 2018 (EST)
#She has a chain. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 22:43, 16 March 2018 (EDT)
#I can't stand fighting against Greninja, and Sheik was one of my mains in Brawl. Also, I feel like she has a higher chance of making it into Smash 5. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 15:58, 11 April 2018 (EDT)

===Half Votes===
#Shiek is better <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:24.234.62.218 |24.234.62.218 ]] ([[User talk:24.234.62.218 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.234.62.218 |contribs]]) 23:22, 11 December 2017 (EST)</small>
#very good at aerial combos# <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:73.222.194.39|73.222.194.39]] ([[User talk:73.222.194.39|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/73.222.194.39|contribs]]) 03:46, 9 January 2018</small>
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#I find Sheik's playstyle in SSB4 to be quite aggravating to play as or against. Greninja's not so frustrating. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:32, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#Us Pokémon gotta stick together I guess. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 04:54, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#I like ''Pokémon'' more, Greninja has appeared in more than just one canon game (discounting remakes), and its playstyle in ''Smash'' is far more interesting to watch. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:DracoRexKing|<font color="red">DracoRex,]]</font> [[User talk:DracoRexKing|<font color="olive">Creator of the Land]]</font></span>''' 07:45, 11 December 2017 (EST)
#Greninja is a great Pokémon and he did appear in Sun and Moon as a present. Greninja's playstyle in ''Smash 4'' is... awesome! [[User:Dragonfirebreath25|Dragonfirebreath25]] ([[User talk:Dragonfirebreath25|talk]]) 09:33, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#R.I.P Sheik after Melee. The Smash 4 Sheik combo game is nothing like its predecessor. also I love the hydro pump jank [[User:Lasagna|lasagna B)]] ([[User talk:Lasagna|talk]]) 10:27, 13 December 2017 (EST)
#In Smash 5 Greninja's Final Smash should be Ash-Greninja. [[Special:Contributions/24.52.19.237|24.52.19.237]] 19:50, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#Better nerf Greninja <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:red">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:green">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  23:10, 15 December 2017 (EST)
#{{Sm|iStudying}}. Nuff said. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:52, 18 December 2017 (EST)
#--[[Special:Contributions/23.17.208.28|23.17.208.28]] 01:46, 24 January 2018 (EST)
#Greninja is just the character I think is cooler (although ANY ninja gets cool points). I do hope they change his final smash, however, if he's gonna be in Smash 5 [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 12:02, 9 March 2018 (EST)
#I love Greninja so much. He's the best of my four mains, and I hope he's in Smash 5! [[User:Capnap64|Capnap64]] ([[User talk:Capnap64|talk]]) 09:33, 4 April 2018 (EDT)
#Greninja is fun. Sheik is not. Sheik is aggravating, both to play as and against. Greninja is not. Greninja is a hecking awesome ninja that can literally make shurikens out of water! Sheik just throws needles at people and plays a harp. Enough said. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:05, 10 May 2018 (EDT) Blueflame105
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Shouldn't this match have been decided, like, several weeks ago? [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron Reggie,'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Master of Memes'''</span>]] 10:31, 26 February 2018 (EST)

This js still going? Currently Sheik 11, Greninja 12. [[User:SmileFtw123]] [[User talk:SmileFtw123]]
Smileftw the tier list dose not matter im a dedede and jiggly main 

Seriously, this should have happened months ago! Who's in charge of Smash Arena anyway? Blueflame105

Ay, they did change his final smash for Smash 5. Nice. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 15:18, November 5, 2019 (EST)
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==Suggestions==
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==Past fights==
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