Editing Forum:Is c-sticking considered cheating?

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S U D S, the title is for TITLES, not the whole freakin' conversation. '''[[User:Silverdragon706|FyreNWater]]''' -  <small>([[User talk:Silverdragon706|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|Contributions]] )</small> 09:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Allright. Is c-sticking considered cheating, or is it tolerable and the thing most players use to pull off quick regular smashes and power air attacks? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:S U D S|S U D S]] ([[User talk:S U D S|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/S U D S|contribs]]) 20:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)</small>

:If you believe the C-stick to be cheating, that's a good sign that you may not be as much of a smash expert as you once thought, and would be murdered in a tournament setting. :^) It is not disallowed in competitive rules at any serious tournament as far as I know and this is mainly because when you reach a certain level of play, you understand fully that there is far more difficult techniques than being able to smash with the A button. For instance, good luck doing [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic2Nz__r9dI this] without the C-stick. 

:That said, A button smashes are still widely used in certain situations and many players still prefer them, as it offers a little bit of in-game foresight to know when even a split-second charge can make the difference between whether or not you hit your opponent. And even the best players get smoked by a  beefy full-charged smash now and again, too. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 23:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Was that directed at fyre? I don't think and didn't say I was at any point a smash expert. Assuming you're right, no one would have a problem if I started using the c-stick for all attacks previously performed using A? I'm also assuming I'm  naive in thinking that the "big boys" that I watch on youtube simply had near-perfect timing and placement with their attacks? Are they any notable players that you have at least heard use the c-stick? Also, I was mainly talking about air attacks ( primarily f-air's and d-air's). I've been killed quite a bit lately by being f-aired while returning and have been curious as to whether or not they c-stick, considering they seemed to be swinging at me faster than I do at them with my air attacks. Going back to what I said in my first sentence, would it be tolerable for me to use the c-stick with Ness's bat, Bowser and Peach's f-air, or any of Falcon's attacks? --SUDS <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:S U D S|S U D S]] ([[User talk:S U D S|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/S U D S|contribs]]) 16:01, 16 May 2008  (UTC)</small>


:No, if it were directed at Fyre, it would've been threaded below her comment and prior to the follow-up question. 

:To follow up, though, the C-stick is very, very widely used by competitive players and I'd be hard pressed to name names because it's far more unusual for a smasher to NOT use the C-stick in most situations. It absolutely applies to aerials as well, and actually opens up a lot of interesting opportunities because it allows you to perform an aerial in one direction while [[DI]]'ing in the other. Something that is extremely challenging, nigh impossible, to perform without the C-stick. It's not necessarily a lot ''faster'' than an aerial with the A button, but it frees you up a bit to establish better control of your character. It's much easier to short-hop and immediately tap the C-stick to the right for a static f-air, whereas using the A button and a directional influence from the analog will likely propel you forward in the air immediately after leaving the ground. Ness's bat is just a smash and Peach and Bowser have f-airs like everybody else, so it's all fair game. Anything that you can make those characters do with the wide variety of controls offered is more than tolerable. *thumbs up* --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 10:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No way is the C stick cheating.  It actually has distinct differences between it and smashing with the A button.  The C stick is one frame slower than using A and cannot be charged.  The A, on the other hand, can do more knockback (with the charge) and is easier to repeatedly tap.  In short, the C stick is just like using X to jump or Y to grab.  It's a different mechanism for control that can be used without any form of bad sportsmanship.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] ([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]]) 16:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

HA HA if blatant exploits of the game's physics engine like wavedashing isn't considered cheating then a purposely implemented part of the controller definitely isn't cheating. [[User:Knifeblade|Knifeblade]] ([[User talk:Knifeblade|talk]]) 17:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

:Har de har. l2play. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 07:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've mode this thread to a shortened title; it was annoying me to see such a long title.--[[User:Richard1990|Richard]] 20:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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	Was that directed at fyre? I don't think and didn't say I was at any point a smash expert. Assuming you're right, no one would have a problem if I started using the c-stick for all attacks previously performed using A? I'm also assuming I'm naive in thinking that the "big boys" that I watch on youtube simply had near-perfect timing and placement with their attacks? Are they any notable players that you have at least heard use the c-stick? Also, I was mainly talking about air attacks ( primarily f-air's and d-air's). I've been killed quite a bit lately by being f-aired while returning and have been curious as to whether or not they c-stick, considering they seemed to be swinging at me faster than I do at them with my air attacks. Going back to what I said in my first sentence, would it be tolerable for me to use the c-stick with Ness's bat, Bowser and Peach's f-air, or any of Falcon's attacks? --SUDS <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:S U D S\|S U D S]] ([[User talk:S U D S\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/S U D S\|contribs]]) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small>		Was that directed at fyre? I don't think and didn't say I was at any point a smash expert. Assuming you're right, no one would have a problem if I started using the c-stick for all attacks previously performed using A? I'm also assuming I'm naive in thinking that the "big boys" that I watch on youtube simply had near-perfect timing and placement with their attacks? Are they any notable players that you have at least heard use the c-stick? Also, I was mainly talking about air attacks ( primarily f-air's and d-air's). I've been killed quite a bit lately by being f-aired while returning and have been curious as to whether or not they c-stick, considering they seemed to be swinging at me faster than I do at them with my air attacks. Going back to what I said in my first sentence, would it be tolerable for me to use the c-stick with Ness's bat, Bowser and Peach's f-air, or any of Falcon's attacks? --SUDS <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:S U D S\|S U D S]] ([[User talk:S U D S\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/S U D S\|contribs]]) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small>


	:No, if it were directed at Fyre, it would've been threaded below her comment and prior to the follow-up question.		:No, if it were directed at Fyre, it would've been threaded below her comment and prior to the follow-up question.
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