Editing Forum:Infobox amendment for multi-characaters players

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{{Proposal|failed|2=No compelling reasoning provided to go through with this proposal and no support gained in over a month. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT)}}
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Since there are actually several players ({{Sm|Rokki}}, {{Sm|Nurse}}, {{Sm|Greil}}, etc.) who don't actually have a defined main. It is actually better to have a way not listing mains. Thes players likely play whoever they want based on feelings or whatever. So there's hardly any accurate representation of mains for them. Here, I suggest making a new parameter for Infobox Smasher and call it "charssbu" or whatever games. That way there's a way to list characters without indicating if they really are mains or not. Sure it will be still hard to figure out the characters, ordering and what not. But at least it is more accurate and clear confusion for players that don't have dedicated mains. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 03:01, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
Since there are actually several players ({{Sm|Rokki}}, {{Sm|Nurse}}, {{Sm|Greil}}, etc.) who don't actually have a defined main. It is actually better to have a way not listing mains. Thes players likely play whoever they want based on feelings or whatever. So there's hardly any accurate representation of mains for them. Here, I suggest making a new parameter for Infobox Smasher and call it "charssbu" or whatever games. That way there's a way to list characters without indicating if they really are mains or not. Sure it will be still hard to figure out the characters, ordering and what not. But at least it is more accurate and clear confusion for players that don't have dedicated mains. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 03:01, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
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:The character consistency is established enough looking at their results that putting those particular characters as their mains isn't wrong, and if you want to insist that there are other characters they use in near equal measure against meaningful opponents, then add those characters to the mains too. Also for any more details needed about their character usage, it should be explained in the article, rather than trying to make the infobox more complex for such a nonissue by adding a completely unnecessary parameter that doesn't do any better at explaining their character usage. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:40, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
:The character consistency is established enough looking at their results that putting those particular characters as their mains isn't wrong, and if you want to insist that there are other characters they use in near equal measure against meaningful opponents, then add those characters to the mains too. Also for any more details needed about their character usage, it should be explained in the article, rather than trying to make the infobox more complex for such a nonissue by adding a completely unnecessary parameter that doesn't do any better at explaining their character usage. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:40, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
::Im undecided on whether or not theres enough warrant to change the info box, because of the same reasons you cite. This only affects a small number of player. The only reason I would consider a change is I do think it's misleading to a reader Some players just don't exhibit consistency and are prone to going an entirely another character at another tournament. Take rokki. Isabelle often appears as a top 2 used character and then there will be several events where it's the 5th or 7th most used character at that regional (or not even used). Smash data probably isn't even very useful with him, as hes prone to going any number of characters at locals that would distort the character usage data (assuming it's reported at all). I think over the last couple months Pit was his most used character which I don't believe has shown up any regionals yet that I'm aware of. A second and smaller issue, is sometimes we don't really have a good sense of who the player is using if they don't talk about it in twitter and don't appear in a lot of recent vods. I think Nurse is a good example of that. All that said to say, I do agree with you on your point about us maybe just needing to do a better job on the narrative. Maybe in these circumstances specify that the player uses a variety of characters and some of the most frequent are x y and z instead of saying x player mains x character.  [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 16:56, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
::Im undecided on whether or not theres enough warrant to change the info box, because of the same reasons you cite. This only affects a small number of player. The only reason I would consider a change is I do think it's misleading to a reader Some players just don't exhibit consistency and are prone to going an entirely another character at another tournament. Take rokki. Isabelle often appears as a top 2 used character and then there will be several events where it's the 5th or 7th most used character at that regional (or not even used). Smash data probably isn't even very useful with him, as hes prone to going any number of characters at locals that would distort the character usage data (assuming it's reported at all). I think over the last couple months Pit was his most used character which I don't believe has shown up any regionals yet that I'm aware of. A second and smaller issue, is sometimes we don't really have a good sense of who the player is using if they don't talk about it in twitter and don't appear in a lot of recent vods. I think Nurse is a good example of that. All that said to say, I do agree with you on your point about us maybe just needing to do a better job on the narrative. Maybe in these circumstances specify that the player uses a variety of characters and some of the most frequent are x y and z instead of saying x player mains x character.  [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 16:56, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
:::Character usage in the infobox is supposed to be kept up to date, so if Rokki ends up using Pit a lot more than other characters over a recent substantial timeframe, then that can be noted as his main and other characters downgraded to other accordingly. But yes, the article text should be explaining any complexities with the player's character usage that can't be fully conveyed through the infobox no matter what is done, rather than just saying "this player is known to use a variety of characters". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:27, April 8, 2023 (EDT)
::::Keeping rokki up to date would mean switching up the mains orders or dropping adding like every 2-4 weeks. It's just not practical because you can list a main based on usage  and there's still probably like a 50 percent chance he doesn't or barely uses that character at the next regional. Just one of those players you can't be accurate with. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 18:46, April 8, 2023 (EDT)

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