Editing Forum:Hitbox image collections

{{proposal}}

Since having a separate discussion on every hitbox collection page is beyond unfeasible, this page was made for the discussion of the entire concept to take place. To be clear, the proposal is to '''delete''' the pages which hold a collection of hitbox images for specific characters.

==Support==
#'''Support''' They're incredibly difficult to maintain and cause lag on mobile. Also, they provide limited information compared to the information provided by the individual move pages. If they were to be kept, they would need a substantial revamp to update them with everything else. Theoretically this can be done with a ****ton of template transclusions, but there's no way around the lag issue when even viewing them. Also, in what situation would it be more useful to see every single one of a character's attacks, instead of pulling up a specific attack you wish to reference? [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 15:39, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#: If they cause lag on mobile, there's an easy solution to that: don't visit them on mobile, nobody's forcing you to visit the page or anything, and they work perfectly fine on desktop. The purpose of the hitbox collections is to show the hitboxes, if people want detailed information we could simply link the move names column to the move subpages for a detailed breakdown, no complicated transclusions necessary. Finally, it's useful for exactly that purpose, for viewing all of the moves on a convenient page instead of having to manually pull up every single attack you want to see (surprisingly enough, many people want to see ''all'' of the hitboxes for their main, as they plan on using more than 1 move for the entire match :p). ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 15:58, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#::The reason I am bringing up the transclusions is keeping the information up-to-date. As it currently stands, any edit on one would require an edit on another to make them contain the same information. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 16:01, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#:::Not really. The only variable is the images, and they themselves are transclusions. Just reuoad them with the same name, no further action needed. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 16:03, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#::::^ pretty much. There is no need to have separate information on this page if we streamline the process of getting from them to the relevant move subpages via links (an arduous task to employ I know, but I'd be happy to do it myself). ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 16:05, 30 November 2018 (EST)

==Oppose==
#'''Oppose,''' to say that the move subpages make these hitbox collections obsolete is frankly absurd. Generally speaking, when people want to see hitboxes for their main, they will try and find all hitboxes for their character, both for the sake of convenience and for making sure they don't miss any. A quick check on Google demonstrates this; searches like "Mario hitboxes smash 4" are far more likely to appear as search suggestions than searches like "Super Jump Punch hitbox smash 4", which is reflective of what people tend to look for, and the role of SmashWiki is to provide people with information on Super Smash Bros. content in a clear and organized manner. But beyond this, expecting people to have to manually go through multiple, or potentially all of, the move subpage for their character in order to view all of the moves they are interested in viewing hitboxes for is in my opinion simply a foolish idea. These pages very much do have a use, I know I certainly use them, and the example I gave above demonstrates that other people would also make use of them. So as a result I am strongly against the deletion of these pages. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:48, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#'''Oppose''', pretty much what Alex said. Having to go to every page is much too tedious and makes it difficult to compare hitboxes, which is what people are typically trying to do when looking at them. [[User:Spexx|Spexx]] ([[User talk:Spexx|talk]]) 15:30, 30 November 2018 (EST)
#It makes loads of sense to gather hitboxes in a single place alongside the individual pages about each move. In fact, we already have them for 64 and Melee - you want to delete those as well? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 15:32, 30 November 2018 (EST)

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-{{proposal|Failed|Consensus seems split and that is unlikely to change, so we'll keep the lists for now.}}
+{{proposal}}
-Since having a separate discussion on every hitbox collection page is beyond unfeasible, this page was made for the discussion of the entire concept to take place. To be clear, the proposal is to '''delete''' the pages which hold a collection of hitbox images for specific characters (for example, [[Bowser (SSB4)/Hitboxes]]).
+Since having a separate discussion on every hitbox collection page is beyond unfeasible, this page was made for the discussion of the entire concept to take place. To be clear, the proposal is to '''delete''' the pages which hold a collection of hitbox images for specific characters.
 ==Support==
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 #:::Not really. The only variable is the images, and they themselves are transclusions. Just reuoad them with the same name, no further action needed. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 16:03, 30 November 2018 (EST)
 #::::^ pretty much. There is no need to have separate information on this page if we streamline the process of getting from them to the relevant move subpages via links (an arduous task to employ I know, but I'd be happy to do it myself). ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 16:05, 30 November 2018 (EST)
-#:::::In that case, so long as someone also finds a way to link to them from another page (probably in [[Template:MvSubNavBase]]) in a way that doesn't look awkward to remove all of these pages being Orphaned (why I tagged them in the first place), I'll change to Neutral. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 16:10, 30 November 2018 (EST)
-#::::::That shouldn't be a problem. Also, [[Bowser (SSB4)/Hitboxes|this]] is what I have in mind for what the pages should look like. Thoughts? ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 04:17, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-#{{moved|from|[[Forum:Hitbox pages]]}} For the record, deleting these pages has always been my intention ever since the moveset subpage project got going proper. Partly because I don't think a lot of people would appreciate clicking a link and suddenly end up loading several dozen animated gifs. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Orchestral 18:09, 28 November 2018 (EST)
-#'''Support.''' I don't really think these pages accomplish much. If you want to see all of the animated images for a fighter in one place, we have categories for that. These images have a much greater practical purpose being isolated on their respective moveset subpages where they don't cause lag, and efficiently demonstrate the topic of the article. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 18:59, 2 December 2018 (EST)
 ==Oppose==
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 #'''Oppose''', pretty much what Alex said. Having to go to every page is much too tedious and makes it difficult to compare hitboxes, which is what people are typically trying to do when looking at them. [[User:Spexx|Spexx]] ([[User talk:Spexx|talk]]) 15:30, 30 November 2018 (EST)
 #It makes loads of sense to gather hitboxes in a single place alongside the individual pages about each move. In fact, we already have them for 64 and Melee - you want to delete those as well? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 15:32, 30 November 2018 (EST)
-#'''Oppose''' per my original comment on [[Forum:Hitbox pages]]. Deleting them is a massive loss in functionality even if the separate pages contain the same info and even if the functionality is niche; collections of things are not inherently bad. &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 17:07, 30 November 2018 (EST)
-# '''Oppose''' I am strongly against deleting the pages for hitboxes and completely disagree with "Obsolete due to moveset subapges" 1. A lot of moveset subpages don't even exist 2. Even if all these subpages existed.. These pages would be good overview pages.. And if want to know more about a move you can just click on the link form that page to the subpage for each move.[[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 05:56, 10 December 2018 (EST)
 ==Neutral==
-'''Neutral''': I'm not sure that these articles really need to exist, but at the same time it's not like they are an eyesore or anything. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 16:14, 30 November 2018 (EST)
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