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| :This was supposed to be done at some point and never ended up happening. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 13:30, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | :This was supposed to be done at some point and never ended up happening. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 13:30, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
| ::Was there a discussion about it? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:44, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | ::Was there a discussion about it? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:44, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
| :::[[Category talk:Smashers by character|Here]] I think. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 13:46, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | :::[[Category talk:Professional smashers|Here]] I think. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 13:46, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
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| I will '''support''' this proposal. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 16:55, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | I will '''support''' this proposal. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 16:55, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
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| == Creating a general competitive page creation style guideline page == | | == Creating a general competitive page creation style guideline page == |
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| '''Neutral, leaning toward oppose'''. While this would be a nice convenient thing to have, it's superfluous to have it for every single event per Serpent King. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 18:19, 2 July 2017 (EDT) | | '''Neutral, leaning toward oppose'''. While this would be a nice convenient thing to have, it's superfluous to have it for every single event per Serpent King. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 18:19, 2 July 2017 (EDT) |
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| As long as there's traffic to this page, I want to call attention to this proposal as well. Remember, if it passes, I will be happy to do all the work myself. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Furry Nation'''</span>]]. <span style="color: #CC5500">Furries make the Internets go! :3</span> 08:34, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| == Tech data category == | | == Tech data category == |
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| :If no one's going to respond to this, should I just do it? ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 18:22, 31 July 2017 (EDT) | | :If no one's going to respond to this, should I just do it? ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 18:22, 31 July 2017 (EDT) |
| ::Starting a proposal and then going through with it without consensus is against the rules. I'd recommend advertising this on Discord where people will easily see it. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:24, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| Do you mean the moveset subpages? Since those are already linked by a nav template, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make the nav template categorize pages as many others do. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:27, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :I agree with Miles here. If we want to make it really distinctive, maybe something like Category: <fighter> attacks (<game>)? [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:49, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I was thinking something along the lines of Category:Attacks, containing subcategories of Category:Attacks <fighter>, then 5 subcategories for each game, but maybe we could just compound it to Category:Attacks having subcategories of Category:Attacks <fighter> (<game>). My only concern is that may be a bit messy having all those subcategories on one category page. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 18:55, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| We already have categories such as [[:Category:Down tilts]] and [[:Category:Up special moves]]; the top-level category contains the general pages, while the per-game subcategories contain the technical data subpages. There aren't categories for grouping technical data subpages by character, but they're all linked by the navigation templates already, and having both isn't strictly necessary. Does that cover what you think there's a problem with? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quiet 06:37, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| :I just don't think it's particularly neat or organized, and could be improved if the by character/by game data was collected all under one big technical attack data category. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 06:40, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| Ok, I tried doing something like this a while back, but it was promptly halted by Disaster Flare, but I really think we should have non-bracketed redirects to pages like [[Mario (SSB4)]], where "Mario SSB4" would redirect to the page. I'm aware of [[SW:NOT]], but I think it's worth noting that many other wikis, such as Bulbapedia, do do this, and it is kinda inconvenient at times to search for things like this, especially since with some articles, such as the Mario (SSB4) one, the correct article is not the first one to come up in the search results, and it being the first thing in search results was an argument Disaster Flare gave for not having the redirects. I really think it would be a good idea to have them. Ultimately, us not having them makes our wiki less user friendly, and probably makes it look bad in comparison to others. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 14:00, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
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| :I personally think it's fine as it is, and sure while it would make it more user friendly, I don't think it will kill someone to have to search for it a bit after putting "Mario (SSB4)" in the search bar. Even if someone is a bit lazier than most, they can just go to the "Mario" page and hit one of the fighter info links up above. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 17:57, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
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| == Official Power Ranking Policy/Style Guide ==
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| This is an issue that's been bothering me for a while now. Every power rankings page seems to take a different approach at it's style and format. I'd like to propose a universal style/format guide that all Power Rankings should follow.<br>
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| '''The format itself is on [[User:Pokebub/sandbox|my sandbox page]].'''
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| *Having a link to whatever group/company/people that make the rankings (ex: Regional Facebook group)
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| *Adding an accompanying PR image and/or video above the rankings itself (These should always be hosted externally)
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| *Honorable mentions or panelists should always be below the rankings and shouldn't warrant a new section (ex: [[Michigan Power Rankings#May 8th, 2016|Michigan's May 2016 rankings]])
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| *There should be no citations in the section name (ex: [[SoCal Melee Power Rankings#December 29, 2013|some of the earlier SoCal Melee PRs]])
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| *There shouldn't be any "current rankings" or "past rankings" sections as it's somewhat redundant and anyone can easily deduce that the top most rankings are the current ones. (ex: [[Georgia Power Rankings]])
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| I'd really like to see this become an official format policy, but I'd also like to hear some thoughts on this. This would fix a lot of the inconsistencies between rankings.
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| -[[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 14:30, 9 January 2018 (EST)
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| :Fine by me. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:40, 9 January 2018 (EST)
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| == Help Desk Overhaul ==
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| [[Forum:Hello_I%27d_like_to_create_a_page_for_a_smasher_in_my_region._How_can_I_do_this%3F|A recent forum creation]] brought to my attention an issue we have on the site. Simply put: I believe the current help desk system we have is inefficient and needlessly resource-heavy. The current system, from what I understand, is that a user who has a question will create an entire forum dedicated to asking 1 question. Ignoring for a moment the fact that this results in a bunch of inactive forums that will never be deleted due to archive purposes, this seems like a long way out of your way to have to go to have to ask a simple question. But of course, a more pressing issue is the surplus of inactive forums that are building up on the wiki, many of which have just 2 or 3 posts in them answering the question. This is a problem considering that archive space isn't free, and entire new forums being created takes up more room than the method I am about to propose. Finally, and this is not a flaw with the help desk itself, the help desk isn't exactly easy to find. The "help" option on the subnavigation bar redirects you to a completely different page, which on it has a link to the help desk. I think there should be an easily locatable like on the "participate" section of the subnav bar clearly named "help desk", or "questions", or something along those lines which redirects you directly to the help desk. This will make it much easier to find, and will therefore be more helpful for new users.
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| Now for my proposed redesign: I think the help desk forum should function like an ordinary forum, rather than a means of creating an entirely separate forum for the sake of one question. That is, I believe it should be designed more like a talk page, where questions can be asked via creating a new section, titled with the question (and additional info can be provided underneath as usual). I believe this design would work better for 3 reasons:
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| *Firstly, I think this will be much more user friendly, as being forced to create a new page could be quite intimidating to a new user.
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| *Secondly, it will be a more efficient method of conducting question-and-answers, in the sense that it will function like an ordinary talk page, making it quick and easy to use, unlike the current "Create a new forum" technique
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| *Finally, it will be less taxing on archive-space, as a single section on a forum/talk page does not need to take up much room at all, especially if it is a simple question that requires a simple answer.
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| ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 16:49, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| :I agree that our current helpdesk system is a bit unorthodox, but...honestly most people go to admin talk pages with questions and I don't see that changing any time soon. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:21, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| ::Ok, I kind of see what you are saying, but I strongly disagree with your mentality. That statement is highly unreliable. It is impossible to measure the number of people who would benefit from a new help desk, as you cannot count the number of people who need help but don't ask, since they don't know how. Many new users and IPs may not think to/realize that they can use admin talk pages to ask questions as well. Finally, effectively saying "our system isn't very good, but let's not fix it because users can find a way around it", does not really seem like a great argument against this change. If there is something on our site that needs improving, I feel it should be improved, even if there is a workaround that users can figure out, as we should never require users to find workarounds for features on our site that simply don't work very well. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 17:38, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| :::I would think that we have to make decisions based on current trends. In the 8 months I’ve been here, I’ve only seen 3 of these kind of forums being created, including the one you just linked. Many new users do seem to realise that they can ask an admin for help, and given how little time anyone spends in the forums, I see little need to fix a system that hardly ever gets used. “But Black,” you may ask me, “I literally just said that creating an entirely new page can be daunting for a new user. That will contribute to the lack of activity on this forum, won’t it?” Yes, it probably does. However, it’s precisely because of that that I would rather just go leave messages on an admin’s talk page, and in fact, this new system that you propose is really no different to that. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3''']]</span> 18:28, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| This is just me, but I think there should be some pages on ssf2. All I think there really needs to be on the wiki is:
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| *A main page for the game
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| *A page for each item and stage that doesn't appear in an official smash game
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| The idea for this is from the inclusion of Project M in the wiki. I don't think any games like ssbc (smash bros crusade) or rivals of aether should be included because they aren't well known and don't have any direct relation with any smash bros characters, respectively.
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| :[[SW:NOT#SmashWiki is not fanon|Ahem.]] [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:09, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :The reason we cover Project M is because of the sheer size of the competitive scene rivalling that of Melee's. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 12:10, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::I know, but we still acknowledge other fan games such as Melee SD and Brawl +\-, so I don't see a reason not to include a page, or at least minor recognition to the game. [[User:UltraNessDX|UltraNessDX]] ([[User talk:UltraNessDX|talk]]) 12:39, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::Because those are popular mods (or, at the very least, popular enough to warrant a page). If you really want wiki pages for SSF2, [http://mcleodgaming.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Flash_2 you should really do some research on the internet]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:11, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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