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| | <center><big><big>'''Welcome to the SmashWiki Proposals page.<br>If you wish to make a new proposal, please do so at the bottom of the page under a new section header.<br>Remember to sign your comments with '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></big></big></center><br><br> |
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| :This was supposed to be done at some point and never ended up happening. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 13:30, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | :This was supposed to be done at some point and never ended up happening. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 13:30, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
| ::Was there a discussion about it? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:44, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | ::Was there a discussion about it? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:44, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
| :::[[Category talk:Smashers by character|Here]] I think. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 13:46, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | :::[[Category talk:Professional smashers|Here]] I think. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 13:46, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
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| I will '''support''' this proposal. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 16:55, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | | I will '''support''' this proposal. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 16:55, 30 September 2013 (EDT) |
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| == History of the competitive Smash scene == | | == History of the competitive Smash scene == |
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| I noticed that while the wiki has information on the history of individual characters and tier lists, it doesn't have any article on the competitive scene as a whole. In an effort to increase the wiki's coverage of the competitive scene, I propose creating an article called "History of the competitive Smash scene" that covers in detail the major events and phenomena of Smash's competitive scene from Smash 64's release up to today. We already have an article called History of the Midwest Smash Scene (that hasn't been updated in over seven years). Some ideas I have include: covering things such as the nature of tournaments, major tournaments hosted (such as [[MLG]], {{b|Apex|tournament series}} or [[Revival of Melee]], metagame changes, dominant players at the time, big events (such as the creation of [[Smashboards]], release of the [[SSBPD]] and the [[MLG DC 2010|MLG bracket splitting incident]], and more "broader" types of events, such as ''Melee''{{'}}'s decline after ''Brawl'' was released, the advancement of technology used at tournaments, or [[Project M]]'s rapid increase in popularity. There could be more types of things there as well. However, it would be difficult to organize this properly, determine what gets included, and find information to include (especially before ''Brawl''), and the page would likely be extremely large. The article could be divided by game, or into "time periods" (such as The "First Golden Age of ''Melee''", etc.). Please give me your suggestions below. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:11, 15 January 2014 (EST) | | I noticed that while the wiki has information on the history of individual characters and tier lists, it doesn't have any article on the competitive scene as a whole. In an effort to increase the wiki's coverage of the competitive scene, I propose creating an article called "History of the competitive Smash scene" that covers in detail the major events and phenomena of Smash's competitive scene from Smash 64's release up to today. We already have an article called [[History of the Midwest Smash Scene]] (that hasn't been updated in over seven years). Some ideas I have include: covering things such as the nature of tournaments, major tournaments hosted (such as [[MLG]], {{b|Apex|tournament series}} or [[Revival of Melee]], metagame changes, dominant players at the time, big events (such as the creation of [[Smashboards]], release of the [[SSBPD]] and the [[MLG DC 2010|MLG bracket splitting incident]], and more "broader" types of events, such as ''Melee''{{'}}'s decline after ''Brawl'' was released, the advancement of technology used at tournaments, or [[Project M]]'s rapid increase in popularity. There could be more types of things there as well. However, it would be difficult to organize this properly, determine what gets included, and find information to include (especially before ''Brawl''), and the page would likely be extremely large. The article could be divided by game, or into "time periods" (such as The "First Golden Age of ''Melee''", etc.). Please give me your suggestions below. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:11, 15 January 2014 (EST) |
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| Bump. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 18:51, 19 January 2014 (EST) | | Bump. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 18:51, 19 January 2014 (EST) |
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| :Tournaments are a big part of the Smash scene's history, and if an event was really big it should be mentioned in the article. There should be at least some way to integrate major tournaments in the article. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:54, 24 January 2014 (EST) | | :Tournaments are a big part of the Smash scene's history, and if an event was really big it should be mentioned in the article. There should be at least some way to integrate major tournaments in the article. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:54, 24 January 2014 (EST) |
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| :As the original progenitor of this idea, I suggest <nowiki>[[SmashWiki:Glossary]]</nowiki> should be a help page, and approve of its current state. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 21:18, 23 January 2015 (EST) | | :As the original progenitor of this idea, I suggest <nowiki>[[SmashWiki:Glossary]]</nowiki> should be a help page, and approve of its current state. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 21:18, 23 January 2015 (EST) |
| :I feel like that this is a pretty neat terms dictionary. I would personally agree on having this. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Gangnum Style 00:23, 24 January 2015 (EST) | | :I feel like that this is a pretty neat terms dictionary. I would personally agree on having this. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Gangnum Style 00:23, 24 January 2015 (EST) |
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| == Franchise (Universe) pages all unorganized ==
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| All Franchise (Universe) pages are unorganized. When talking about what each franchise has in each Smash game, they are never globally organized. Some have Trophies before Music, some have Common Enemies before Stages, Mii Costumes are placed randomly, etc. I thought it would be a good idea to establish to some kind of guideline for each page. Maybe we can follow the in-game trophy organization: Characters > Items > Assists > Enemies > Stages > Misc. [[Image:GmanSir_Signature.png|20px]] [[User:GmanSir|GmanSir]] ([[User talk:GmanSir|talk]]) 15:40, 8 January 2016 (EST)
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| :If they are not uniform, then they need to be fixed. I would say the order should go like this: Characters > Assists > Items > Enemies > Stages > Music > Trophies > Misc. To me, this seems like the most rational order. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 17:11, 8 January 2016 (EST)
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| ::Where should Mii Costumes go? After trophies or earlier? Also, does it matter at all that the templates at the bottom of the pages are in a different order, or could we try to make the page match the order of said templates?? [[Image:GmanSir_Signature.png|20px]] [[User:GmanSir|GmanSir]] ([[User talk:GmanSir|talk]]) 00:15, 9 January 2016 (EST)
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| :::Everything should be matched and consistent. I don't really know where to put the Mii Costumes. We should ask the others for their input and then implement the changes. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 14:06, 9 January 2016 (EST)
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| I think the IRC should be entirely replaced by Discord. The main reasoning for one to shoot this down would most likely be "why?" or "unnecessary.". However, there are several solid reasons as to why I think this should be done. I am very well aware that IRC is the traditional, most accepted form of communication outside of talk pages on most wikis. But simply put: Discord does it better, easier, and is more user friendly in my opinion. This is a video game wiki, and having general or off topic discussion related to games on Discord is precisely what it's designed for. The fact that it has such an intuitive channel system makes it so certain topics can be sorted in different channels. It doesn't need a client side download since it's just a website and, as emphasized before, is more user friendly. I could come up with different examples to convey why this is a good proposal but I'll leave it at this for now. I'd appreciate any wiki staff to create a discord for SmashWiki and see how it goes. If people show up there to converse then the IRC's existence is somewhat irrelevant. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 00:15, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :-_- '''Strong Oppose''' I can't access discord at school, because of the firewalls. I can access the IRC however, because I have an app that lets me do so. Making the chat Discord would prevent me from using it at all while I am at school. Also, Safari on iPad. It reloads a page every 10 seconds. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 11:20, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.discord&hl=en Well] [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/discord-chat-for-gamers/id985746746?mt=8 ok then]. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:35, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :Would one need to create an account to use it? Why don't we remove [[Special:WebChat]] then? -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 11:25, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::See below. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:35, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :...'''What?''' Absolutely not. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 11:39, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Very meaningful contribution to the discussion, I'm sure. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:35, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::'''Oppose''' I ''would'' support this....but there is nothing wrong with our current system whatsoever. To top it off, you also have to create an account on Discord and I think you have to be invited or something like that. Bottom line is, moving to Discord will create more problems than it'll solve. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 11:41, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :::You don't have to create an account, and you can get into the channel with just a link. I don't know where you're getting this information from. There's nothing really wrong with IRC as is, I'll give you that. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:35, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| '''NO''' IRC is a very easy, free, and useful way to interact. Discord being nothing new to the table that's actually needed. We are fine. [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']][[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 12:23, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :I mean, there are people (such as myself) who have no access to the IRC, but that's what WebChat is for. So really, I don't see a need for change. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 12:26, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Discord is just as easy to access, honestly. I don't see what your point is besides the lack of need to change. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:35, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :::Lack of need to change. Exactly. [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']][[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 12:40, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::::Discord brings with it the complete chat history and instant-displays of images and videos (which you can disable), while also allowing you to create separate chat rooms for each server. This would have been hella useful back when the IRC area led to conflicts and DANK MEME wars, but from what I gather, just about all of you are <s>boring as hell</s> good users that don't start conflicts. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 12:45, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| Ok, ok. Nobody panic. If a lot of people are clearly against this idea, how about a discord for the wiki on the side to see how it is. The IRC can stay. When I have ample time I plan to make some solidified arguments to prove my point. Mega made a few already. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 13:36, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :'''No'''. There is no need to do this, period. There is nothing wrong with our current system whatsoever. I stand corrected about what I said about account creation and stuff, but there is no need to make a change at all if there's nothing that calls for said change. That's how the wiki's always functioned. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 13:39, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::'''Opposition.''' Why fix what isn't broken, especially when it's far from being broken? [[User:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Master'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterAprilSig.png|17px|link=]] 15:43, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| '''No no no no no no no no no.''' [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Beagle 15:50, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| The oppose reasons here are bad. Legitimate reasons were brought up on why Discord would be better, and all of you opposing are just saying "whats wrong with IRC", "no need", or even just "no". Actually refute the points brought up in Discord's favor, sticking to something inferior for the sake of tradition/familiarity is holding yourself back in the face of progress. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:05, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :I agree with you 100%. Some of this discussion almost seems like political arguing. Just black and white, reasoning not given. Everyone is jumping to conclusions and dismissing this because they probably don't know much about Discord, although I could be wrong. Regardless, let me say something here: If bringing up new ideas and proposals should only be done if something needs "fixed" and '''not''' for the sake of better change (even if the benefits are minuscule in your own opinion) is against the policies or rules here then that should be plainly stated somewhere. Otherwise, I don't have any clue as to why even the admins responded the way they did. It was just a simple suggestion, don't throw up pitchforks. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 17:53, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::We aren't throwing pitchforks; we're simply saying we don't like the idea. [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']][[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 18:00, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| By my understanding, the current culture of our IRC channel (loose shenanigans with relaxed structure) does not translate well to what Discord is. There wouldn't be funny name changes, joke kicks, bot interaction, etc. I think that's the true reason people don't like the idea. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 18:19, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :Or better yet we are not comfortable to change considering that we been using IRC as our interaction site for years. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The SNES 18:48, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::[http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-tradition.html Appeal to tradition]
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| ::"We don't want change" is an awful reason to oppose something that's potentially for the better of everyone. Come up with actual reasons on why sticking to IRC would be better. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:48, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :::The only comfortable change that I would probably want is if this channel switched over to the Fastlizard server but bleh, it didn't go through. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Belmont 19:54, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| Alright. I don't want Discord just because it's new. Likewise, I would like to think that most of you don't want to keep the IRC just because of nostalgia. I looked into the IRC. I looked into and also actively use Discord because of how, simply put, amazing it is (when people are active, anyway). If some of you could look deeper into it or even find a channel to join then come back and tell what you thought, that'd be great. If you think it would be pointless and still prefer the IRC, cool. Looks like the general consensus is that this proposal isn't going to happen at the moment. So I'll leave it at that. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 20:00, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ==Adding "[[Tournament]]s and/or "[[Smasher]]s" to the sidebar==
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| This is a rather simplistic and self-explanatory proposal. The specifics can be discussed, as I really have no opinion on what exactly to add to the sidebar. All I know is that competitive play to some extent should be referenced in navigation. I have brought this up already [[Forum:Sidebar menu suggestions/additions|here]] but it was kinda forgotten, so consider this a bump of sorts. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span>]][[User talk:RobSir_zx|<span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]][[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://tinyurl.com/h3st5ud]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 23:04, 17 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :'''Agree completely.''' I suggested it a while back but it got shot down for some reason. However, it would only really be relevant on ''Melee'' pages, but that's the only place it would need to be anyway. While we're at it, a Japanese tier list position for the ''Smash 64'' characters would be nice too. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 22:48, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
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| :Bump. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 10:25, 1 July 2016 (EDT)
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| ::'''SUPPORT''' and bump <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Poultry|Poultry]] ([[User talk:Poultry|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Poultry|contribs]]) 17:16, September 7, 2016 (EST)</small>
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| :::This proposal was already accepted. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Planet 19:22, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
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| == Creating a general competitive page creation style guideline page ==
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| Looking around at tournament pages on the wiki, I've noticed some inconsistencies that could be avoided if general and specific guidelines were put out defining how these pages should be created. I felt like Miles' ideas [https://www.ssbwiki.com/User_talk:Serpent_King#Characters_Used Here] were some good topics that could be built upon (just including this as a point of information). I have some more specific positions on them, but those can be discussed later. (The title might be oddly stated, my bad) [[User:Diamond444|Diamond444]] ([[User talk:Diamond444|talk]]) 13:54, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :What else apart from noting specific characters used in a tournament would go in the page? —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 15:10, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Take a look at Miles' ideas. That's the reason why I put the link there. There are probably more things, but they would be debated after the proposal is passed. [[User:Diamond444|Diamond444]] ([[User talk:Diamond444|talk]]) 15:11, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :::'''Support''' Per Serpent's talk page. Also, we could add how to properly write a smasher article (seriously, add results, people) and tournament pages as well. [[User:Penro|<font color="red">'''Pen'''</font>]][[User talk:Penro|<font color="black">'''''ro'''''</font>]] 15:29, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :::'''Support''' Also, results, results, results. That way credit goes where it's due. —[[User: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Magenta">S+ Tier</font>]] ([[User talk: Tiers_nonexistent|<font color="Purple">List</font>]]) <font color="Aqua">|</font> [[File:Isohunt.jpg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Tiers_nonexistent|Look what I've done!!!]] 02:51, 25 April 2017 (EDT)
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| It should be mentioned that we do have [[SmashWiki:Smasher article guidelines|this]]. Thing is, the scope is centered only on the Smasher articles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:33, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| == Adding Success/Failure conds. to Event Match infoboxes ==
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| Today I came up with the idea of displaying event match conditions for success and failure in their infoboxes. At the moment, for pretty much all of our event match articles, the success/failure conditions are buried in the body text. We already have [[List_of_event_matches|this list]], which does kinda explain success conditions, but says almost nothing about failure conditions, and any wiki visitor would have to do a bit of clicking to find this list.
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| I would propose modifying the '''<nowiki>{{Infobox Event}}</nowiki>''' template so that the success and failure conditions of each event match can be put into their respective infoboxes. If this proposal passes, I am prepared to make all the changes myself if desired. [[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]] ([[User talk:Black Vulpine|talk]]) 21:42, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :'''Dead neutral'''. While it would be convenient to have this in our infobox, I feel like too many event matches are won just by winning the match and lost just by losing it. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 01:14, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| Adding this to this page here, since my original page has dropped off the main list for some unknown reason. [[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]] ([[User talk:Black Vulpine|talk]]) 20:39, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
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| Bumpity-bump. [[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]] ([[User talk:Black Vulpine|talk]]) 05:45, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
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| '''Neutral, leaning toward oppose'''. While this would be a nice convenient thing to have, it's superfluous to have it for every single event per Serpent King. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 18:19, 2 July 2017 (EDT)
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| As long as there's traffic to this page, I want to call attention to this proposal as well. Remember, if it passes, I will be happy to do all the work myself. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Furry Nation'''</span>]]. <span style="color: #CC5500">Furries make the Internets go! :3</span> 08:34, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| == Tech data category ==
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| I'm thinking that maybe we should have a category for technical data, containing subcategories by character, as a way of organising technical pages all into one place. The current method for finding tech data is to flick from fighter page to fighter page, and from game to game looking for the right page in the movesets list, which can be inefficient and annoying to do. Obviously, someone would have to go around adding the correct category to each page, but I would be happy to do it myself if no one else wants to. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 11:13, 30 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :If no one's going to respond to this, should I just do it? ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 18:22, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Starting a proposal and then going through with it without consensus is against the rules. I'd recommend advertising this on Discord where people will easily see it. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:24, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| Do you mean the moveset subpages? Since those are already linked by a nav template, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make the nav template categorize pages as many others do. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:27, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :I agree with Miles here. If we want to make it really distinctive, maybe something like Category: <fighter> attacks (<game>)? [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 18:49, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I was thinking something along the lines of Category:Attacks, containing subcategories of Category:Attacks <fighter>, then 5 subcategories for each game, but maybe we could just compound it to Category:Attacks having subcategories of Category:Attacks <fighter> (<game>). My only concern is that may be a bit messy having all those subcategories on one category page. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 18:55, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
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| We already have categories such as [[:Category:Down tilts]] and [[:Category:Up special moves]]; the top-level category contains the general pages, while the per-game subcategories contain the technical data subpages. There aren't categories for grouping technical data subpages by character, but they're all linked by the navigation templates already, and having both isn't strictly necessary. Does that cover what you think there's a problem with? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quiet 06:37, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| :I just don't think it's particularly neat or organized, and could be improved if the by character/by game data was collected all under one big technical attack data category. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 06:40, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
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| == Non-bracketed redirects ==
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| Ok, I tried doing something like this a while back, but it was promptly halted by Disaster Flare, but I really think we should have non-bracketed redirects to pages like [[Mario (SSB4)]], where "Mario SSB4" would redirect to the page. I'm aware of [[SW:NOT]], but I think it's worth noting that many other wikis, such as Bulbapedia, do do this, and it is kinda inconvenient at times to search for things like this, especially since with some articles, such as the Mario (SSB4) one, the correct article is not the first one to come up in the search results, and it being the first thing in search results was an argument Disaster Flare gave for not having the redirects. I really think it would be a good idea to have them. Ultimately, us not having them makes our wiki less user friendly, and probably makes it look bad in comparison to others. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 14:00, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
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| :I personally think it's fine as it is, and sure while it would make it more user friendly, I don't think it will kill someone to have to search for it a bit after putting "Mario (SSB4)" in the search bar. Even if someone is a bit lazier than most, they can just go to the "Mario" page and hit one of the fighter info links up above. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 17:57, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
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| == Official Power Ranking Policy/Style Guide ==
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| This is an issue that's been bothering me for a while now. Every power rankings page seems to take a different approach at it's style and format. I'd like to propose a universal style/format guide that all Power Rankings should follow.<br>
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| '''The format itself is on [[User:Pokebub/sandbox|my sandbox page]].'''
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| The most important things are:
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| *Having a link to whatever group/company/people that make the rankings (ex: Regional Facebook group)
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| *Adding an accompanying PR image and/or video above the rankings itself (These should always be hosted externally)
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| *Honorable mentions or panelists should always be below the rankings and shouldn't warrant a new section (ex: [[Michigan Power Rankings#May 8th, 2016|Michigan's May 2016 rankings]])
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| *There should be no citations in the section name (ex: [[SoCal Melee Power Rankings#December 29, 2013|some of the earlier SoCal Melee PRs]])
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| *There shouldn't be any "current rankings" or "past rankings" sections as it's somewhat redundant and anyone can easily deduce that the top most rankings are the current ones. (ex: [[Georgia Power Rankings]])
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| I'd really like to see this become an official format policy, but I'd also like to hear some thoughts on this. This would fix a lot of the inconsistencies between rankings.
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| -[[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 14:30, 9 January 2018 (EST)
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| :Fine by me. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:40, 9 January 2018 (EST)
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| == Help Desk Overhaul ==
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| [[Forum:Hello_I%27d_like_to_create_a_page_for_a_smasher_in_my_region._How_can_I_do_this%3F|A recent forum creation]] brought to my attention an issue we have on the site. Simply put: I believe the current help desk system we have is inefficient and needlessly resource-heavy. The current system, from what I understand, is that a user who has a question will create an entire forum dedicated to asking 1 question. Ignoring for a moment the fact that this results in a bunch of inactive forums that will never be deleted due to archive purposes, this seems like a long way out of your way to have to go to have to ask a simple question. But of course, a more pressing issue is the surplus of inactive forums that are building up on the wiki, many of which have just 2 or 3 posts in them answering the question. This is a problem considering that archive space isn't free, and entire new forums being created takes up more room than the method I am about to propose. Finally, and this is not a flaw with the help desk itself, the help desk isn't exactly easy to find. The "help" option on the subnavigation bar redirects you to a completely different page, which on it has a link to the help desk. I think there should be an easily locatable like on the "participate" section of the subnav bar clearly named "help desk", or "questions", or something along those lines which redirects you directly to the help desk. This will make it much easier to find, and will therefore be more helpful for new users.
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| Now for my proposed redesign: I think the help desk forum should function like an ordinary forum, rather than a means of creating an entirely separate forum for the sake of one question. That is, I believe it should be designed more like a talk page, where questions can be asked via creating a new section, titled with the question (and additional info can be provided underneath as usual). I believe this design would work better for 3 reasons:
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| *Firstly, I think this will be much more user friendly, as being forced to create a new page could be quite intimidating to a new user.
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| *Secondly, it will be a more efficient method of conducting question-and-answers, in the sense that it will function like an ordinary talk page, making it quick and easy to use, unlike the current "Create a new forum" technique
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| *Finally, it will be less taxing on archive-space, as a single section on a forum/talk page does not need to take up much room at all, especially if it is a simple question that requires a simple answer.
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| ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 16:49, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| :I agree that our current helpdesk system is a bit unorthodox, but...honestly most people go to admin talk pages with questions and I don't see that changing any time soon. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:21, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| ::Ok, I kind of see what you are saying, but I strongly disagree with your mentality. That statement is highly unreliable. It is impossible to measure the number of people who would benefit from a new help desk, as you cannot count the number of people who need help but don't ask, since they don't know how. Many new users and IPs may not think to/realize that they can use admin talk pages to ask questions as well. Finally, effectively saying "our system isn't very good, but let's not fix it because users can find a way around it", does not really seem like a great argument against this change. If there is something on our site that needs improving, I feel it should be improved, even if there is a workaround that users can figure out, as we should never require users to find workarounds for features on our site that simply don't work very well. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 17:38, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| :::I would think that we have to make decisions based on current trends. In the 8 months I’ve been here, I’ve only seen 3 of these kind of forums being created, including the one you just linked. Many new users do seem to realise that they can ask an admin for help, and given how little time anyone spends in the forums, I see little need to fix a system that hardly ever gets used. “But Black,” you may ask me, “I literally just said that creating an entirely new page can be daunting for a new user. That will contribute to the lack of activity on this forum, won’t it?” Yes, it probably does. However, it’s precisely because of that that I would rather just go leave messages on an admin’s talk page, and in fact, this new system that you propose is really no different to that. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3''']]</span> 18:28, 12 January 2018 (EST)
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| ==Inclusion of ssf2 pages==
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| This is just me, but I think there should be some pages on ssf2. All I think there really needs to be on the wiki is:
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| *A main page for the game
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| *A page for each character
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| *A page for each item and stage that doesn't appear in an official smash game
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| *A page based on the competitive scene and a few top players
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| The idea for this is from the inclusion of Project M in the wiki. I don't think any games like ssbc (smash bros crusade) or rivals of aether should be included because they aren't well known and don't have any direct relation with any smash bros characters, respectively.
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| :[[SW:NOT#SmashWiki is not fanon|Ahem.]] [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:09, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :The reason we cover Project M is because of the sheer size of the competitive scene rivalling that of Melee's. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 12:10, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::I know, but we still acknowledge other fan games such as Melee SD and Brawl +\-, so I don't see a reason not to include a page, or at least minor recognition to the game. [[User:UltraNessDX|UltraNessDX]] ([[User talk:UltraNessDX|talk]]) 12:39, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::Because those are popular mods (or, at the very least, popular enough to warrant a page). If you really want wiki pages for SSF2, [http://mcleodgaming.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Flash_2 you should really do some research on the internet]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the College-Bound Rurouni'''</span>]] 17:11, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
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