Editing Forum:Disable IP editing for SmashWiki
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Due to recent and repeated incidents involving IPs vandalizing articles and adding false information, especially concerning technical data, the idea has been tossed around on Discord for SmashWiki to rescrict IP editing altogether in a similar fashion to Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki with support seemingly growing and becoming more vocal. This proposal is for the well being of SmashWiki as a reliable, credible, and trustworthy source of information for both the casual Smash Bros. community and the competitive scene. At the moment, I am personally '''Neutral''' about this and I know this will probably be a heated discussion, but I feel like officially having a proposal on the wiki itself and having a healthy discussion here is more beneficial than just spitballing in Discord. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | Due to recent and repeated incidents involving IPs vandalizing articles and adding false information, especially concerning technical data, the idea has been tossed around on Discord for SmashWiki to rescrict IP editing altogether in a similar fashion to Bulbapedia and ZeldaWiki with support seemingly growing and becoming more vocal. This proposal is for the well being of SmashWiki as a reliable, credible, and trustworthy source of information for both the casual Smash Bros. community and the competitive scene. At the moment, I am personally '''Neutral''' about this and I know this will probably be a heated discussion, but I feel like officially having a proposal on the wiki itself and having a healthy discussion here is more beneficial than just spitballing in Discord. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
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#Vandalism committed by IPs has been running rampant right now. Not only that, but the fact that IPs can edit most of the pages on this wiki has allowed known vandals to bypass their bans to continue whatever vandalism they were committing before getting banned. Plus, as mentioned above, some of our sister wikis have adopted this practice already, and their community seems to be doing just fine. The idea that restricting IP edits would ruin our community are quite unfounded. If someone really wanted to edit the wiki, they could make an account, which takes very little effort, and I would say only helps our community by giving more actual names to the editors, as opposed to just a bunch of nondescript IPs running rampant and doing whatever they feel is best. [[User:Hinata|Hinata]] ([[User talk:Hinata|talk]]) 14:25, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #Vandalism committed by IPs has been running rampant right now. Not only that, but the fact that IPs can edit most of the pages on this wiki has allowed known vandals to bypass their bans to continue whatever vandalism they were committing before getting banned. Plus, as mentioned above, some of our sister wikis have adopted this practice already, and their community seems to be doing just fine. The idea that restricting IP edits would ruin our community are quite unfounded. If someone really wanted to edit the wiki, they could make an account, which takes very little effort, and I would say only helps our community by giving more actual names to the editors, as opposed to just a bunch of nondescript IPs running rampant and doing whatever they feel is best. [[User:Hinata|Hinata]] ([[User talk:Hinata|talk]]) 14:25, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#The anonymity of IP edits is honestly the bigger threat as opposed to allowing them to continue without a name associated to them. Since we have no method of administrator approval for IP edits (and therefore, no ability to filter the good edits from the bad), I think it'd be an easier effort to enforce account creation for long-term contributions to the wiki. <font face="Papyrus">[[User:15DollarsWentSouth|<span style="color: darkblue;">'''15DollarsWentSouth'''</span>]]</font> 14:35, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #The anonymity of IP edits is honestly the bigger threat as opposed to allowing them to continue without a name associated to them. Since we have no method of administrator approval for IP edits (and therefore, no ability to filter the good edits from the bad), I think it'd be an easier effort to enforce account creation for long-term contributions to the wiki. <font face="Papyrus">[[User:15DollarsWentSouth|<span style="color: darkblue;">'''15DollarsWentSouth'''</span>]]</font> 14:35, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
==Oppose== | ==Oppose== | ||
#I would view this as a "last resort" and I think there are steps that should be tried before getting to that point. I'd like to recommend increased enforcement such as a new patroller group like the MarioWiki has. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 13:56, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #I would view this as a "last resort" and I think there are steps that should be tried before getting to that point. I'd like to recommend increased enforcement such as a new patroller group like the MarioWiki has. --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 13:56, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#No, no, a million times no. '''This is a terrible idea''' that would only serve to further isolate the Wiki from the Smash community, which like it or not is the community we owe almost all our traffic to. IP editing is an integral part of this Wiki, as it is an integral part of many wikis, and carrying out such a change would reduce the flow of information coming in. As I have said before, it is far easier to undo vandalism than it is to contribute new information to the Wiki, which I know as someone who has done both many times in the past. Many users do not wish to make an account, for various reasons, and requiring account creation [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Cheezygg1 does not stop vandalism]. Sorry if I am repeating things I have said in the past, but that's what happens when you repeatedly fight similar battles. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:10, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #No, no, a million times no. '''This is a terrible idea''' that would only serve to further isolate the Wiki from the Smash community, which like it or not is the community we owe almost all our traffic to. IP editing is an integral part of this Wiki, as it is an integral part of many wikis, and carrying out such a change would reduce the flow of information coming in. As I have said before, it is far easier to undo vandalism than it is to contribute new information to the Wiki, which I know as someone who has done both many times in the past. Many users do not wish to make an account, for various reasons, and requiring account creation [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Cheezygg1 does not stop vandalism]. Sorry if I am repeating things I have said in the past, but that's what happens when you repeatedly fight similar battles. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 14:10, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose''' as per the same logic as Porple. Also, if [[ | #'''Oppose''' as per the same logic as Porple. Also, if [[SmashWiki:Character articles protection list]] were to pass it would greatly reduce the amount of IPs messing around, making this proposal largely redundant. [[User:DekZek|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Dek'''</font><font color="Blue">'''Zek'''</font>]] [[File:Dekzeksig.png|20px|link=User talk:DekZek]] 14:45, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
==Neutral== | ==Neutral== | ||
#As mentioned above. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #As mentioned above. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 13:49, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
#Although I have gradually leaned more towards the support side with my recent experiences with IPs, I still don't think it's the greatest idea as of right now, especially since 1. there are still helpful IPs and 2. Not all pages are being "targeted" by IPs. My frustration currently stems from the fact that there isn't a way to properly control an IP like a user, since the same person can use different IPs and thereby both get around a block or miss out talk page messages, and if there's a way to control that I would support that. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:12, December 27, 2019 (EST) | #Although I have gradually leaned more towards the support side with my recent experiences with IPs, I still don't think it's the greatest idea as of right now, especially since 1. there are still helpful IPs and 2. Not all pages are being "targeted" by IPs. My frustration currently stems from the fact that there isn't a way to properly control an IP like a user, since the same person can use different IPs and thereby both get around a block or miss out talk page messages, and if there's a way to control that I would support that. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:12, December 27, 2019 (EST) | ||
