Editing Forum:Crew namespace/Archive 1

Well, after the [[Forum:Smasher namespace|Smasher namespace]] was added, I've also noticed that there's a number of [[:Category:Crews|crews]] that are still in the main namespace. What do you guys think of a Crew namespace? This way, crew articles would be seperated from smasher articles. Do you guys have any opinions on this?--[[User:Richard1990|Richard]] 20:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

What exactly is a namespace? I didn't pay much attention to the smasher namespace thing, so I have no real opinions about this. just questions. [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 19:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

:From what I can tell, a namespace is when a lot of pages begin with a name like "Smasher:" or "Template:" or "Talk:" or "User:" or "User talk:" or "Forum:". (Right now we're talking in a page that's in the Forum namespace. ^_^) A main thing that makes namespaces practical is that they don't count alongside the normal gameplay articles towards the total article count that's seen on the Main Page.  

:Honestly, I think a Crew namespace is a good idea, better than merging it into the Smasher namespace anyway. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik Jensen]] <b>^{([[User talk:Erik the Appreciator|Appreciate me here!]])}</b> 20:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess it would be a good idea! [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 22:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe there should be a Tournaments namespace... But Advanced Techniques would count as "normal" stuff like characters and stages, I think. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik Jensen]] <b>^{([[User talk:Erik the Appreciator|Appreciate me here!]])}</b> 00:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::I support moving all crew and community related articles to the already existing Smasher namespace.  We don't need a separate namespace for each type of community article, but they certainly don't deserve a spot in the main namespace.  I would like to start a discussion on the wiki's scope in which we can determine these policies. [[User:Dtm142|Dtm142]] 01:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Ahahaha, see now this is just getting funny and my frustration with how much time everybody's wasting on this merge has been replaced by a bemused resignation. By the time someone forms a committee to decide who's going to be on the panel to draft a policy that makes sense, the game will be so old and we'll be so exhausted from the bureaucratic process that nobody will even have the energy to write the actual articles. But at least they'll all be in the right namespace!! --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 12:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)  

::I believe I did. I just used different words. I don't expect to make an impact running around to every talk page saying, "I disagree. That is all." My points are valid and my vehement objection is being washed out by the hoards of people who have no concept of the significant and extensive competitive following and are far more interested in making a nifty website than they are in making an encyclopedia. I'm obviously not going to "aid you in the process" that I firmly object to and your other option is telling me to get the fuck out of a discussion involving the permanent relocation and fundamental depreciation of a branch of articles that I have spent THOUSANDS of hours working on. No thanks. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 15:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Silly. :^) There is no tonality in text-based communication that the reader didn't conjure themselves and it often surprises me how distinct the difference is between being misunderstood because of what you've written and being misunderstood because of what someone else read. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 18:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::::It's important that you realize this is not about ''me'' or ''my'' pride and not a personal matter on any level, really. I don't understand how you can interpret what I've said as ''my'' whining about the articles that ''I've'' worked on because of their virtual relocation on a server I've never even seen. My gripes are clearly based on the principle of the thing, equal rights to notability between two needless divisions of people who both love the game in different ways. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 18:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

::::I am hesitant to jump in on that tier list discussion because I saw that one coming a mile away but I appreciate your will to defend it. However, just as most of my points aren't getting through to the Wikia veterans, your justifications for its inclusion in the game and arguments in support of a competitive following seem to go in one ear and out the other and that's where this merge starts to get messy. [[Tier list]] isn't the only article that will be called into question, but it's a very good example. I know I'm not fun to argue with and for that I apologize, but sometimes it's hard to tell which side of the argument you're on, Sky! You and I agree on the notability of a tier list article, but to keep the tier list in the main namespace and to exclude the smashers and the community that drafted it promotes an uneasy double standard. It works against what we do to encourage tournament play in exchange for casual players de-cluttering the information they are exposed to by putting up a block wall to depreciate content that they don't understand so they don't have to read it. I just don't see how that's fair when the alternative prior to the inception of the Smasher namespace does no harm to casual players beyond having to press "Random page" a few more times than they were counting on. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 18:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

:This issue of the "Random Page" button keeps coming up as though it's the only function of a wiki--even I could come up with a better argument for creating a whole whack of new namespaces. Which is one of my primary criticisms of the Wikia community; that's a frequently-used button across the wikia network because the focus of the project is about making the information ACCESSIBLE to a wide audience instead of comprehensive and informative for research purposes like an encyclopedia should be. Ironically, Nintendo pulled the same move by simplifying and slowing the pace of Brawl from Melee. All of this creates a totally unnecessary division between competitive and casual players when the goal of the competitive community has been to unite all players and open the floodgates to a phenomenal sport following that would enrich the game for all who embrace it without shafting casual players. If you think that pressing the random page button and getting an article about a guy you don't know who has actually achieved something by traveling around the country attending tournaments is some sort of diss to a casual player, that's not his problem--and good luck trying to tell him (or me, or the tournament director, or the people he traveled to play against) that his article is not related to gameplay. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] 15:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

::I agree with your sentiment, but not necessarily with your reasoning. Accessibility isn't a bad thing. If I go to Peach's article, I probably expect to read about Peach, be able to learn about her attacks, etc.--I don't expect a disambiguation page that links me to all the Smashers whose names might be Peach, or who play Peach, or who like to eat peaches. (I know this isn't what we were doing before, it's just an example of how maintaining some degree of accessibility is important.) If I read [[Wikipedia:Barack Obama|Barack Obama]]'s page on Wikipedia, I expect to get an overview of his life, accomplishments, etc.--if I want to know more about his time in the state senate, though, there's a brief synopsis and another article about it.

There should be one. I am trying to get members in my WiFi Battle Crew (see my smasher page for more details), Team Triforce, and having a Crew Namespace would be a valuable asset.