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:Looks like there's an agreement. Much thanks to all who agree with me. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 17:57, 7 August 2011 (EDT) | :Looks like there's an agreement. Much thanks to all who agree with me. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 17:57, 7 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
::We currently have 4 people for, 0 against. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 18:06, 7 August 2011 (EDT) | ::We currently have 4 people for, 0 against. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 18:06, 7 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Like Anon said, we have 4 people in support of deleting irrelevant articles like Game Boy, and in a year, nothing has been done. I'm tagging the unneeded articles for deletion. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:47, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ::Like Anon said, we have 4 people in support of deleting irrelevant articles like [[Game Boy]], and in a year, nothing has been done. I'm tagging the unneeded articles for deletion. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 16:47, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::So we're going to sacrifice completion of a logical set for a very strict cutoff of relevancy? And how is the NES (for example) not relevant if Brawl has a Masterpiece of one of its games? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 18:11, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::So we're going to sacrifice completion of a logical set for a very strict cutoff of relevancy? And how is the NES (for example) not relevant if Brawl has a Masterpiece of one of its games? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 18:11, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::::"Strict cutoff"? Everything should have relevance; otherwise we might as well redirect SmashWiki to Google or Wikipedia. The cutoff is ''very'' reasonable; what, pray tell, does the Game Boy have to do with ''any'' of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' games? A character came from there? OK, well in that case, let's make an article for the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]]; Sonic's first game was on that console. But why stop there? We'll need articles on the [[Wikipedia:personal computer|PC]]/[[Wikipedia:MSX2|MSX2]] since Snake's first game launched on those consoles. Do you see how that works? We're not the Game Console Wiki. The NES is not notable even if it has ties to Brawl's Masterpieces because that's still a very, ''very'' small amount of information not worthy of a full article. This is the logic that brought about those worthless articles on games like ''Sonic Adventure 2''. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:48, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ::::"Strict cutoff"? Everything should have relevance; otherwise we might as well redirect SmashWiki to Google or Wikipedia. The cutoff is ''very'' reasonable; what, pray tell, does the Game Boy have to do with ''any'' of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' games? A character came from there? OK, well in that case, let's make an article for the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]]; Sonic's first game was on that console. But why stop there? We'll need articles on the [[Wikipedia:personal computer|PC]]/[[Wikipedia:MSX2|MSX2]] since Snake's first game launched on those consoles. Do you see how that works? We're not the Game Console Wiki. The NES is not notable even if it has ties to Brawl's Masterpieces because that's still a very, ''very'' small amount of information not worthy of a full article. This is the logic that brought about those worthless articles on games like ''Sonic Adventure 2''. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 18:48, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::::I am okay with potential Genesis and MSX2 articles. I am not okay with having a Smash Bros. wiki that has articles for some Nintendo systems and not others. If you want these articles deleted I'm not going to do it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 19:04, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::::I am okay with potential Genesis and MSX2 articles. I am not okay with having a Smash Bros. wiki that has articles for some Nintendo systems and not others. If you want these articles deleted I'm not going to do it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Different 19:04, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::::::I'm not OK with that, because those articles wouldn't at all be relevant. I was using those examples to show how flawed this logic is. I would like to see the articles deleted but I'm not in charge, and I lack the tools necessary to delete them myself. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 19:07, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ::::::I'm not OK with that, because those articles wouldn't at all be relevant. I was using those examples to show how flawed this logic is. I would like to see the articles deleted but I'm not in charge, and I lack the tools necessary to delete them myself. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 19:07, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::::::I'm ok with those articles since they would serve the same pupose as these articles. In fact I might encourage it because when someone reads what console a character originated from they might want to read an article like that. For aricles like NES instead af a reader having trouble find what characters came from NES they are all listed there which is a difference however between Sega Genesis and PC/MSX2 since our current articles on consles list several character origins which is why I have these articles like NES under a higher priority. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 19:25, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::::::I'm ok with those articles since they would serve the same pupose as these articles. In fact I might encourage it because when someone reads what console a character originated from they might want to read an article like that. For aricles like [[NES]] instead af a reader having trouble find what characters came from [[NES]] they are all listed there which is a difference however between Sega Genesis and PC/MSX2 since our current articles on consles list several character origins which is why I have these articles like [[NES]] under a higher priority. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 19:25, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
::::::::I understand where you're coming from but those articles would be so small that they would better fit on something like a "console origins list." It would be better just to link to Wikipedia rather than having those insignificant single-sentence on this wiki. What reader is going to try and find out where the characters came from? These readers certainly exist, which is why we have the universe articles, which list games that the ''Super Smash Bros.'' universe draws elements from. They'd also look for something the lines of "[this character] first appeared in X for the Nintendo Y" which, if not already present, should be put in place. The "Y" as I said could link to Wikipedia (as many other things do as well as to other NIWA wikis; I expect no one to act appalled at such a suggestion). Console articles are irrelevant, especially in regards to origins because they don't explain anything besides what games they hosted, which is insignificant data. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 19:35, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ::::::::I understand where you're coming from but those articles would be so small that they would better fit on something like a "console origins list." It would be better just to link to Wikipedia rather than having those insignificant single-sentence on this wiki. What reader is going to try and find out where the characters came from? These readers certainly exist, which is why we have the universe articles, which list games that the ''Super Smash Bros.'' universe draws elements from. They'd also look for something the lines of "[this character] first appeared in X for the Nintendo Y" which, if not already present, should be put in place. The "Y" as I said could link to Wikipedia (as many other things do as well as to other NIWA wikis; I expect no one to act appalled at such a suggestion). Console articles are irrelevant, especially in regards to origins because they don't explain anything besides what games they hosted, which is insignificant data. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 19:35, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::::::::Yes but then where is the limit to what we should link to other wikis and what is relevant? Your main arguement is on the irrelevance of these articles. Does this mean that any articles with sections that have to much on stuff outside Smash Bros. should just have links to other wikis such as articles like [[Mario|this]] and [[Pokémon Trainer|this]] because it would save data and have much better descriptions? [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 20:05, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::::::::Yes but then where is the limit to what we should link to other wikis and what is relevant? Your main arguement is on the irrelevance of these articles. Does this mean that any articles with sections that have to much on stuff outside Smash Bros. should just have links to other wikis such as articles like [[Mario|this]] and [[Pokémon Trainer|this]] because it would save data and have much better descriptions? [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 20:05, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
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:::::::::::::::Actually I still have a question; you said "Venturing out would be information on consoles, whose elements are real-world" does this mean "venturing out" would also be anything thats real world about the game such as game ratings? [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 23:16, 22 December 2012 (EST) | :::::::::::::::Actually I still have a question; you said "Venturing out would be information on consoles, whose elements are real-world" does this mean "venturing out" would also be anything thats real world about the game such as game ratings? [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 23:16, 22 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::::::::::::::And any other games on the wiki for that mater such as masterpieces?[[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 23:20, 22 December 2012 (EST) | :::::::::::::::And any other games on the wiki for that mater such as masterpieces?[[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 23:20, 22 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::The Game Boy was never up for deletion but just a split, so I think the d tag might not be very appropriate. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 18:44, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::The Game Boy was never up for deletion but just a split, so I think the d tag might not be very appropriate. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 18:44, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::If we get rid of the articles what do you propose we do with all the information in them? Surley we do something with the relevant information, other than poorly integrate them into other articles were they have even less relevance. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 18:55, 20 December 2012 (EST) | :::If we get rid of the articles what do you propose we do with all the information in them? Surley we do something with the relevant information, other than poorly integrate them into other articles were they have even less relevance. [[User: Brawls of fury| <span style="color: brown;">Brawls</span>]] [[User Talk:Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkred;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Brawls of fury|<span style="color: darkorange;">fury</span>]] 18:55, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
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'''Keep''' These articles should be kept since they somewhat appear in SSB games. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 19:27, 20 December 2012 (EST) | '''Keep''' These articles should be kept since they somewhat appear in SSB games. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]] 19:27, 20 December 2012 (EST) | ||
