Editing Forum:Clones or not clones?

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==Mario and Luigi==
They do have some similiar moves but they also his huge differences such as the fire jump punch. --[[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]]) 15:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:Considered semi-clones in Brawl. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

==Link and Toon Link==
These are the closest clones but what makes a big difference for me is that Toon Link can jump. --[[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]]) 15:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:A few minor differences (jumping, up smash, etc.) still allows for being clones. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

==Ganondorf and Captain Falcon==
People should stop judging who is a clone by the special moves. They have almost no similiar normal attack at all. --[[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]]) 15:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:Up smash, down smash, forward smash, up tilt (albeit different in timing), down tilt, all aerials but fair, dash attack.  That's many similarities in their normal attacks too. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not clones. MAYBE semi-clones. ''Maybe.'' '''[[User:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:black;">Kperfekt</span>]]''' [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:red;"><sup>Talk Is Cheap...</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<span style="color:purple;"><sup>But I Am Not.</sup></span>]] 23:00, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

==Fox, Falco, and Wolf==
Even though they have similiar special moves, they are not the same. First of all wolf is obviusly not a clone. The difference between fox and falco is the side smash and who is better on the air or ground. --[[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]]) 15:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:More arguable; Fox/Falco are semi-clones, and Wolf is less so. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

==Ness and Lucas==
Even though their special moves seem the same they are not. The have almost none of the same attacks and while Ness plays around with his yo-yo, Lucas uses powerfull PSI. --[[User:Tuth|Tuth]] ([[User talk:Tuth|talk]]) 15:25, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
:Partial clone status a la Wolf. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="khaki">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="khaki">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:53, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

==Marth and Ike==
Marth and Ike have some similar moves. Wouldn't they be semiclones? [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 03:09, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
     
Like what? Only counter. They also have completely different play styles. Ike is to Marth what Dedede is to Metaknight, there is no way that they are clones.[[User:TWC Maca|TWC Maca]] ([[User talk:TWC Maca|talk]]) 22:55, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Eruption and shield breaker are similar, and some of their smash attacks are similar. [[User:Dr. Pain 99|Dr. Pain 99]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pain 99|talk]]) 00:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree, Eruption and Shield Breaker are not similar in either function or visuals. Smash attacks, maybe I will concede your point there. Although the forward smash and down smash attacks may be somewhat similar in appearence (the down smash is pretty much the same amongst all sword characters) the differing characteristics of the respective character will alter the use of these moves and thus the character's play style. I belive that these differences mean that they cannot be considered even semi-clones.[[User:TWC Maca|TWC Maca]] ([[User talk:TWC Maca|talk]]) 22:45, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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 I have to disagree, Eruption and Shield Breaker are not similar in either function or visuals. Smash attacks, maybe I will concede your point there. Although the forward smash and down smash attacks may be somewhat similar in appearence (the down smash is pretty much the same amongst all sword characters) the differing characteristics of the respective character will alter the use of these moves and thus the character's play style. I belive that these differences mean that they cannot be considered even semi-clones.[[User:TWC Maca|TWC Maca]] ([[User talk:TWC Maca|talk]]) 22:45, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-:Ike's and Marth's counters have different frames, and are the only moves that come close to being similar. None of Ike's other moves are similar to Marth's and vice versa, so they're neither clones nor are they semi-clones. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 01:51, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-::One can accuse their forward and down smashes of being similar or their neutral b just because they charge. But I find it ridiculous that some people actually consider them "semi-clones". [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 02:08, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Agreed. Kirby and Jigglypuff are more similar than them. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.95.78|98.111.95.78]] 14:59, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
-==The Real Answer==
-Just check the article and you will know all of the clones, semi clones, and the luigified character of Brawl!! [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 17:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
-:To let you know, the article itself is based on what the smash community thinks, not what is actually true. Read the "Notes" section at the bottom of the [[clone|page]]. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 05:23, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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