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{{proposal|passed|2=Character articles will not be protected, but we will protect update list templates. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:44, January 3, 2020 (EST)}}
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{{TagBase|image=Notice.png|content='''Due to technical reasons, protecting all of these articles in the manor we were planning will not be possible. The protection will still be applied via bot.''' <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 19:08, January 3, 2020 (EST)}}
In lieu of recent misinformation being added to our character articles, we've come up with the idea of restricting edits to these articles to autoconfirmed status. This is too big a change to simply implement without a consensus though, so please do voice any comments, questions, and concerns below. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 09:48, December 17, 2019 (EST)
In lieu of recent misinformation being added to our character articles, we've come up with the idea of restricting edits to these articles to autoconfirmed status. This is too big a change to simply implement without a consensus though, so please do voice any comments, questions, and concerns below. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 09:48, December 17, 2019 (EST)
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#:::::::The incident with that individual has nothing to do with inserting false information, and thus is irrelevant to this discussion. Especially since he has targeted non-fighter articles as well. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 17:32, December 18, 2019 (EST)
#:::::::The incident with that individual has nothing to do with inserting false information, and thus is irrelevant to this discussion. Especially since he has targeted non-fighter articles as well. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 17:32, December 18, 2019 (EST)
#'''Strong oppose'''. Cutting off IPs from editing could be incredibly counterproductive, because while many IPs are assholes and regularly vandalize the site there is a large amount of IPs that actually provide beneficial edits and like Alex said, some people may be incapable of creating account for one reason or another and cutting them off simply because other people are pricks could discourage them from helping SmashWiki grow. Obviously, people will be people and continue to vandalize the site but character articles are quite popular pages and people add helpful information to them basically every day. More people being open to edit prominent pages like these is in the spirit of the wiki and there must be a better way to consistently deal with the vandals. I'm sure our userbase is competent enough to find a better solution, one of which has already been proposed. '''Your Senpai,''' [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Warrior'''</span>]] 12:27, December 17, 2019 (EST)
#'''Strong oppose'''. Cutting off IPs from editing could be incredibly counterproductive, because while many IPs are assholes and regularly vandalize the site there is a large amount of IPs that actually provide beneficial edits and like Alex said, some people may be incapable of creating account for one reason or another and cutting them off simply because other people are pricks could discourage them from helping SmashWiki grow. Obviously, people will be people and continue to vandalize the site but character articles are quite popular pages and people add helpful information to them basically every day. More people being open to edit prominent pages like these is in the spirit of the wiki and there must be a better way to consistently deal with the vandals. I'm sure our userbase is competent enough to find a better solution, one of which has already been proposed. '''Your Senpai,''' [[User:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: red;">'''Iron'''</span>]] [[User talk:Iron Warrior|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Warrior'''</span>]] 12:27, December 17, 2019 (EST)
#'''Strong oppose'''. If we restrict editing so heavily, the pages run a greater risk of carrying incorrect or outdated information for a long time. Smash Wiki has been ridiculed for outdated information in the past and allowing as many people to edit in good faith as possible could help a long way in preventing this. --[[User:Pontiusbrave|Pontiusbrave]] ([[User talk:Pontiusbrave|talk]]) 10:02, January 1, 2020 (EST)
:::It should be noted, however, that we have also been ridiculed for false information from IPs, and that's to a greater extent, especially recently. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:03, January 1, 2020 (EST)


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Why are IPs even allowed to edit technical data in the first place? Stuff like that, as well as artwork, songlists, and what not, isn't going to be changing barring the rare case of an update, and such data should never be under dispute if it's actually been pulled from the game. Blocking them from the entire page though........eh. The character pages are more than just the competitive stuff, and if I recall IPs don't routinely worsen those sections. Sure, we blocked the alternate costume pages from IP edits for similar reasons, but the subject matter of those articles is significantly more speculative and judgemental, so discussion of most edits is a given. In all honesty, IPs seeming unawareness of talk pages seems to be a bigger issue compared to them spreading misinformation. If they were willing to at least ''discuss'' with the Wiki's editors why their edits aren't helpful, it would save the userbase the headache of constantly having to revert and IPs from trying to force them through and not understanding why they keep being rejected. While I don't know of an exact method to accomplish that, outside of making it the site notice in big bold letters, I can't say shunting the entire article away is it. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 21:14, December 27, 2019 (EST)
Why are IPs even allowed to edit technical data in the first place? Stuff like that, as well as artwork, songlists, and what not, isn't going to be changing barring the rare case of an update, and such data should never be under dispute if it's actually been pulled from the game. Blocking them from the entire page though........eh. The character pages are more than just the competitive stuff, and if I recall IPs don't routinely worsen those sections. Sure, we blocked the alternate costume pages from IP edits for similar reasons, but the subject matter of those articles is significantly more speculative and judgemental, so discussion of most edits is a given. In all honesty, IPs seeming unawareness of talk pages seems to be a bigger issue compared to them spreading misinformation. If they were willing to at least ''discuss'' with the Wiki's editors why their edits aren't helpful, it would save the userbase the headache of constantly having to revert and IPs from trying to force them through and not understanding why they keep being rejected. While I don't know of an exact method to accomplish that, outside of making it the site notice in big bold letters, I can't say shunting the entire article away is it. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 21:14, December 27, 2019 (EST)
:A site notice isn't going to do anything if they are ignoring posts to their talk pages. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;border:outset #083 2px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;background:#ed0;padding:1px">Serpent</span>]][[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;background:#083;padding:1px">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:34, December 27, 2019 (EST)
::That is sadly very true :/. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 21:39, December 27, 2019 (EST)

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