Editing Forum:Brawl as a First Person Fighter

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The post below is rather long, I know, but please look at it; it might interest you.

This is an idea I've heard about--making a mod of brawl that is split-screen, first person. You would see the stage from the view of your character, and only see what is in front of you. (The field of vision would probably need to be somewhat large). This would put a whole new spin on brawl. There would be a whole new element of stealth. You could sneak up on someone by dropping in on them from a floor above them or jumping up through the floor that they are on and attacking. When you'd attack, you'd see your firsts (or sword, or gun, etc.) come out from the bottom of your field of vision. You'd see the game from your characters eyes. (There might be a need for a radar of some sort so you can keep track of the fighters in your immediate area.) This is just an idea that struck me as interesting.

What do you think?

I have no expertise in making mods, but if someone here does, and is interested, please contact me. [[User:Thebouncyblob|Thebouncyblob]] ([[User talk:Thebouncyblob|talk]]) 12:24, 25 November 2010 (EST)

:So you are basically thinking of a 3d fighting game like Starfox Assault?
:If this is the case, I'd actually like to see it, since fighting Master Hand in a 3 dimensional fight would be awesome. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:45, 25 November 2010 (EST)

Trying to implement Smash Bros. in a first-persion view is an interesting idea, but there are several issues with it. The primary one is that retaining the two-dimensional field of play makes controls confusing, as pushing the stick left or right has no effect from a first-person point of view, while keeping the "pushing left moves you towards the left side of the stage" controls (basically changing nothing but attaching the camera to the character's head) is also confusing in that both directions make you appear to move forwards, while the opposite direction makes you turn around. Doable if there's some sort of minimap (which is definitely not possible just by modding Brawl in the forseeable future), but has a learning curve steeper than many things.

If you instead were to attempt to make the playing field with three dimensions of freedom, it becomes far harder to retain the basic Smash Bros. mechanics. How do you do an up smash if pressing in any direction makes you walk in that direction? 3D movement also makes it a lot harder to actually hit things without a lock-on system or extremely large hitboxes. The last major obstacle is the mechanic in Smash Bros. that always makes you face the direction you're being hit from (so you're almost always facing the stage for your recovery); doing this in a first-person perspective results in disorientation, while not doing it results in you having to "manually" find the edge after you're sent flying.

So in general, while a Smash Bros.-inspired first person game would be interesting, trying to make it have the same gameplay will probably not work out. (Hate to be a downer, but this is the kind of stuff I think about a lot.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 13:28, 25 November 2010 (EST)

:Plus, lots of the stages wouldn't have 3D views - the ones "borrowed" directly from other games like Mario Circuit or Bridge of Eldin might, but there are plenty of stages where you have little or no freedom to move the camera around in pause mode (most obviously, Flat Zone 2 and Hannenbow, where the models are rendered as "flat" 2D sprites).
:Oh, and how do you know where the [[blast line]]s are in first-person view?  - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]])

Hey guys, it's the original poster. I am NOT saying that I want to make this a 3 dimensional fighting game. You would only be able to move the same four directions: up, down, left, right. I am suggesting a MOD of the game. It's still SSBB. I realize that making it a 3 dimensional game would really change it, and that is not what I want. I am simply suggesting a mod where you see the game through your character's eyes. It seems like this thread has gotten off track from what I was suggesting. The game would still have the same 2D movement that it does now, it would just be viewed from a different angle.
[[User:Thebouncyblob|Thebouncyblob]] ([[User talk:Thebouncyblob|talk]]) 19:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
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 Hey guys, it's the original poster. I am NOT saying that I want to make this a 3 dimensional fighting game. You would only be able to move the same four directions: up, down, left, right. I am suggesting a MOD of the game. It's still SSBB. I realize that making it a 3 dimensional game would really change it, and that is not what I want. I am simply suggesting a mod where you see the game through your character's eyes. It seems like this thread has gotten off track from what I was suggesting. The game would still have the same 2D movement that it does now, it would just be viewed from a different angle.
 [[User:Thebouncyblob|Thebouncyblob]] ([[User talk:Thebouncyblob|talk]]) 19:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
-:If that's what you are saying, then it would be quite weird. The game would feel 1 dimensional. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 19:38, 25 November 2010 (EST)
-I see what you mean, Anon. However, the characters <i>are</i> three-dimensional, and that helps. Also, have you considered what it looks like when you pause the game and make the camera point sideways? It doesn't look too bad.
-[[User:Thebouncyblob|Thebouncyblob]] ([[User talk:Thebouncyblob|talk]]) 19:48, 25 November 2010 (EST)
-:It doesn't look bad, but if you try to play with the camera pointing parallel to the playing field, "left" and "right" become "forwards" or "turn around, then forwards". Like I said above, it would be confusing. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 19:58, 25 November 2010 (EST)
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