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This is a known problem on the wiki that has been discussed in the discord, where the "other characters" sections in the infoboxes on smasher articles have been getting ridiculously inflated. These sections are supposed to be for characters the players don't main but have used in tournaments, have busted out as a serious counterpick in actually competitive tournament sets, or at least uses in serious side events such as Squad Strike, they are not for [[sandbagging]] characters the top players use to beat up scrubs in pools, and they are definitely not for whatever random character the player fooled around with on their stream one time. The information in the infobox is additionally supposed to be reasonably up-to-date, so a character shouldn't be listed in a player's other characters section if they never play them anymore even if they used to main them, like Bowser Jr. shouldn't be listed among Tweek's characters and Jigglypuff shouldn't be listed among Mango's characters. Information about old characters the player no longer seriously plays should be within the article itself. As a rule of thumb, if the player hasn't used a character in any reasonably competitive tournament sets within the last six months of their career in the relevant game (or say last six tournaments if their tournament activity is sparse), then '''''the character absolutely should not be listed'''''. | This is a known problem on the wiki that has been discussed in the discord, where the "other characters" sections in the infoboxes on smasher articles have been getting ridiculously inflated. These sections are supposed to be for characters the players don't main but have used in tournaments, have busted out as a serious counterpick in actually competitive tournament sets, or at least uses in serious side events such as Squad Strike, they are not for [[sandbagging]] characters the top players use to beat up scrubs in pools, and they are definitely not for whatever random character the player fooled around with on their stream one time. The information in the infobox is additionally supposed to be reasonably up-to-date, so a character shouldn't be listed in a player's other characters section if they never play them anymore even if they used to main them, like Bowser Jr. shouldn't be listed among Tweek's characters and Jigglypuff shouldn't be listed among Mango's characters. Information about old characters the player no longer seriously plays should be within the article itself. As a rule of thumb, if the player hasn't used a character in any reasonably competitive tournament sets within the last six months of their career in the relevant game (or say last six tournaments if their tournament activity is sparse), then '''''the character absolutely should not be listed'''''. | ||
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Another related point that has bothered me for a while. At what point do we consider player a "professional" of that character? For example, VoiD is listed as a Peach and Daisy professional even though he only used them seriously at one regional; most of the other times they were used as a counterpick, but even then seldom against other notable players. Yes that one time he used them seriously he did get 2nd, but I don't believe that's enough to give him the Peach and Daisy professional category. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:42, March 1, 2021 (EST) | Another related point that has bothered me for a while. At what point do we consider player a "professional" of that character? For example, VoiD is listed as a Peach and Daisy professional even though he only used them seriously at one regional; most of the other times they were used as a counterpick, but even then seldom against other notable players. Yes that one time he used them seriously he did get 2nd, but I don't believe that's enough to give him the Peach and Daisy professional category. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:42, March 1, 2021 (EST) | ||
==Official proposal for a "Retired characters" entry== | ==Official proposal for a "Retired characters" entry== | ||
Enough people have raised concerns about removing former mains and other significant past characters from smashers' infoboxes, such as the aforementioned Mango Jigglypuff and Tweek Bowser Jr., so here is the official proposal mentioned before on if we should add a "Retired characters" entry. I'm still neutral on the idea, but will go add it if consensus agrees we should keep past historically significant characters in the players' infoboxes. Also if you have any name ideas, suggest those too, as if we go through it, I'm unsure if it should just be called "Retired characters". As a note if we do add this entry, it would only be for characters the player '''''had significant results''''' with, it won't be used for sandbagging characters, characters they only played for a few sets, nor flavor-of-the-week characters they picked up once and then never played again. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:53, February 26, 2021 (EST) | Enough people have raised concerns about removing former mains and other significant past characters from smashers' infoboxes, such as the aforementioned Mango Jigglypuff and Tweek Bowser Jr., so here is the official proposal mentioned before on if we should add a "Retired characters" entry. I'm still neutral on the idea, but will go add it if consensus agrees we should keep past historically significant characters in the players' infoboxes. Also if you have any name ideas, suggest those too, as if we go through it, I'm unsure if it should just be called "Retired characters". As a note if we do add this entry, it would only be for characters the player '''''had significant results''''' with, it won't be used for sandbagging characters, characters they only played for a few sets, nor flavor-of-the-week characters they picked up once and then never played again. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:53, February 26, 2021 (EST) | ||
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Bumping this, want to make a decision after tonight. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:31, February 27, 2021 (EST) | Bumping this, want to make a decision after tonight. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:31, February 27, 2021 (EST) | ||