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| {{Infobox Special Move | | {{Infobox Special Move |
| |name=Dark Dive | | |name=Dark Dive |
| |image=[[File:Ganondorf Up B SSBU.gif|300px]] | | |image=[[File:SSB4 Dark Dive.jpg|250px]] |
| |caption=Ganondorf uses Dark Dive in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''. | | |caption=Ganondorf uses Dark Dive on [[Link]]. |
| |user=[[Ganondorf]] | | |user=Ganondorf |
| |universe={{uv|The Legend of Zelda}} | | |universe={{uv|The Legend of Zelda}} |
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| | {{cquote|...[Ganondorf's] Dark Dive blasts foes in a burst of dark energy.|cite=Ganondorf's trophy description in ''Melee''}} |
| | '''Dark Dive''' ({{ja|雷神掌}} ''Raijinshō'', '''[[wikipedia:Raijin|Raijin]] Palm''') is the [[up special move]] used by [[Ganondorf]], introduced in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''. It's similar in function to [[Captain Falcon]]'s [[Falcon Dive]], but instead of the opponent getting hurt by fire, they will be shocked by electricity if Ganondorf connects with them. Like the Falcon Dive, it can be used repeatedly if successful, and Ganondorf can grab a ledge at the peak height of this move when facing the other direction. This helps to sweet spot and to keep Mario players from [[cape|caping]]. Due to its predictability and poor distance, the move has often been cited as one of the worst recoveries in the game. |
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| '''Dark Dive''' ({{ja|雷神掌|Raijinshō}}, ''{{s|wikipedia|Raijin}} Palm'') is [[Ganondorf]]'s [[up special move]].
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| [[File:Ganondorfbupmove.jpg|Dark Dive in ''[[Melee]]''|thumb]] | | [[File:Ganondorfbupmove.jpg|Dark Dive in ''[[Melee]]''|thumb]] |
| | ===''Super Smash Bros. Melee''=== |
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| It is similar in function to [[Captain Falcon]]'s [[Falcon Dive]], but instead of the opponent getting hurt by fire, they will be shocked by electricity if Ganondorf connects with them. Like his side special, [[Flame Choke]], it counts as a grab, so it cannot be [[shield]]ed or [[counterattack|countered]]. Like the Falcon Dive, it can be used repeatedly if successful, and Ganondorf can grab a ledge at the peak height of this move when facing the other direction. This helps to sweet spot and prevents some forms of [[edge momentum shifting]] such as the [[cape glide]] in ''Brawl''. However, the move suffers from predictability, poor distance, lack of protection, and in the case of Brawl, low attack power.
| | In ''Melee'', the move itself is essentially a clone move of Falcon Dive, except that there are electric effects. He rises up, catching opponents that are above him, and zaps them. He can use this move again after. Also, as with most moves Ganon has compared to Falcon, the move is stronger than Falcon Dive, and is easier to KO foes with (though F.D. is still strong by itself). It is interesting to note that, unlike Falcon Dive, Dark Dive can harm other characters (in addition to the victim Ganon has latched on to) via the electrical hitboxes. This makes it harder for an opponent to hit Ganondorf out of this move. Unfortunately, it cannot grab, or even affect foes on a ledge, making this move extremely easy to edgeguard. |
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| ===''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''=== | | ===''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''=== |
| The move itself is essentially a clone move of Falcon Dive, except that there are electric effects. Ganondorf rises up, catching opponents that are above him, zaps them, and then knocks the opponent away with an explosion for a total of 17% damage, and can use this move again after if it is successful. Also, as with most moves Ganondorf has compared to Falcon, the move is stronger than Falcon Dive, and is easier to KO foes with (though Falcon Dive is still strong by itself), reliably killing around 150% from the center of [[Final Destination]]. It is interesting to note that, unlike Falcon Dive, Dark Dive can harm other characters (in addition to the victim Ganondorf has latched on to) via the electrical hitboxes, making it harder for an opponent to hit Ganondorf out of this move. However, it cannot grab or affect foes on a ledge, making this move prone to [[edge-guard]]ing and [[edgehogging]].
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| Using Dark Dive on an opponent below stage level will often [[stage spike]] them. While this can punish a failed edge-guard, the opponent can also [[tech]] the spike and then strike back, as they can move before Ganondorf can, a technique known as [[Tech Check]].
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| ===''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''===
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| [[File:Dark Dive.jpg|Dark Dive in ''Brawl''|thumb]] | | [[File:Dark Dive.jpg|Dark Dive in ''Brawl''|thumb]] |
| Ganondorf can still grab opponents with his Dark Dive, but if the move does not connect until the end of the animation, Ganondorf does a 7% damaging uppercut with a deceptively large and disjointed reach that knocks the opponent away vertically with darkness damage, being slightly stronger but less damaging than the move's grab and throw. In addition, Ganondorf can now grab opponents hanging onto the ledge, which often stage spikes them, but they are still capable of teching. It also has [[armor]] mid-grab. The move is also capable of destroying targets in [[Target Smash!!]] when his body comes in contact with the target. It also has a different animation where Ganondorf rises upward and spins and no longer spins forward during the ending's descent. | | In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', Ganondorf can still grab opponents with his Dark Dive, but if the move does not connect until the end of the animation, the opponent is simply knocked away with Darkness damage. In addition, Ganondorf can now grab opponents hanging onto the ledge, which often [[stage spike]]s them, though they can [[tech]] it and punish Ganondorf because they can move before Ganondorf can. |
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| However, Dark Dive was overwhelmingly nerfed, dealing 11% damage and, outside of stage spikes, only KOing at 300% with the grab (from the center of Final Destination) and 200% with the uppercut (anywhere on the ground of Final Destination). This extremely poor knockback, combined with the new mechanic of being able to act out of [[hitstun]] much sooner, allows opponents with low damage percentages and fast aerials to immediately hit Ganondorf once they are released from the grab, which can cause [[gimp]]s and overall makes the move unsafe to use. In addition to its crippled damage, the move has slightly more difficulty in turning around, slightly more startup, and slightly less reach on its furthest grabbox. While it is possible for the uppercut to KO near the upper blast line, it is difficult to accomplish due to the move's weak knockback and no reliable setups for it.
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| In [[The Subspace Emissary]], Ganondorf attacks [[Tabuu]] with his Dark Dive after he finds out Tabuu is controlling {{SSBB|Master Hand}} with his Chains of Light. The distance Ganondorf travels with Dark Dive seems to be highly exaggerated. Before he hits Tabuu, Ganondorf gets hit by a counterattack, turning him into a trophy.
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| ===''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''===
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| [[File:SSB4 Dark Dive.jpg|Dark Dive in {{for3ds}}|thumb|left]]
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| [[File:Dark_Dive_SSB4.jpeg|Dark Dive in {{forwiiu}}|thumb]]
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| Dark Dive was initially nerfed from its ''Brawl'' iteration due to the removal of the mid-grab's armor, making it much easier to intercept and edge-guard. However, due to the removal of ''Brawl''{{'}}s mechanic of fast acting out of [[hitstun]] when knocked short distances, the grabbed opponent can no longer attack him once he releases them. Ganondorf now aesthetically grabs the opponent with one hand instead of two.
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| Dark Dive's power was improved in [[1.1.3]], where the grab does 13.8% damage with significantly improved knockback, and is now a decent [[out of shield]] move. However, the power increase is still quite underwhelming compared to ''Melee'', as it does not gain KO potential until around roughly 200% from Final Destination's center and 140% near the ledge.
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| ===''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''===
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| Dark Dive was buffed considerably from ''Smash 4'': its grab damage was increased to 16.6%, and the throw's power was drastically increased to KO at 89% near the edge of [[Final Destination]] and 130% from the center, being much more powerful than it was in ''Melee''. The fiery explosion that was created was changed to a vibrant burst of purple magic, now possessing the electric effect.
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| However, when executed from the ground, the grabbox is only active after Ganondorf leaves the ground. This causes it to whiff against many small opponents on the ground, especially if they're crouching. In addition, Ganondorf leaps back much farther out of a throw, worsening his already poor recovery even further; this allows opponents to repeatedly jump into the grab, eventually causing Ganondorf to leap too far away to be able to reach the stage.
| | The Dark Dive has much weaker [[knockback]] in ''Brawl'', deals less damage and can even get punished from grabbing the opponent with it depending on their damage percent and how fast their aerials are. The move is also capable of destroying targets in [[Target Smash!!]] when his body comes in contact with the target. |
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| Update {{SSBU|11.0.0}} significantly reduced the ending lag to where Ganondorf can act at the peak of the jump, making [[Tech Check]] considerably harder to perform.
| | In [[The Subspace Emissary]], Ganondorf attacks [[Tabuu]] with his Dark Dive after he finds out Tabuu is controlling [[Master Hand]] with his Chains of Light. The distance Ganon travels with Dark Dive seems to be highly exaggerated. Even before he hits Tabuu, he gets hit by a counterattack, turning him into a trophy. |
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| ==Instructional quotes== | | ===''Super Smash Bros. 4''=== |
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| | Dark Dive returns in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. However, the knockback of the attack appears to have been reduced, despite its attack power already being significantly reduced in ''Brawl''. |
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| |ssb4-udesc= Jump up and grab opponents, and then launch them.
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| |ssbudesc= Leaps upward and grabs opponents, electrocuting and launching them. It cannot be blocked by a shield.
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| ==Customization== | | ==Customization== |
| Special Move customization was added in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. These are the variations: | | {{incomplete}} |
| {{CustomSet|Ganon|Up|name1=Dark Dive|desc1=Jump up and grabs enemies, and then shock and launch them.|name2=Dark Fists|desc2=Punch opponents into the air, and then hit them in midair to send them higher.|name3=Dark Vault|desc3=Jump extra high, but you can only grab at the beginning or end of the attack.}}
| | Special Move customization was added in ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''. These are the known variations: |
| # '''Dark Dive''': Default.
| | # '''Dark Fists''': Doesn't grab enemies, but can launch them. Hits twice. |
| # '''Dark Fists''': Instead of grabbing the enemy, Ganondorf gains a hitbox on the move's start-up. The first hit, dealing 6% damage, is thrown before the jump, and has set knockback. If it connects it will usually chain victims into the second hit, dealing 11% damage for a total of 17% damage, which is thrown at the apex of the jump and has formidable damage and knockback, able to KO as low as 80% anywhere on the stage and 110% from underneath the stage while the opponent is on ground level, making it very risky to intercept. It is generally considered superior to Dark Dive and Dark Vault due to having legitimate offensive use, improved distance thanks its somewhat slow start-up allowing for better horizontal reach, and the start-up also possessing [[armor]] which further bolsters its anti-[[edge-guarding]] capabilities and can even be used as a pseudo-[[counter]]. However, the lack of a grab means that the move cannot be used in rapid succession should it hit an opponent. | | # '''Dark Vault''': Moves higher, but can only grab at the beginning or end of the move. |
| # '''Dark Vault''': Vaults upward twice, but does not give a noticeable amount of increased distance, and can only grab during the beginning of either vault, and has no ending uppercut. Has less horizontal distance, the electrocution ends faster but deals drastically less damage (1% electrocution, 3% throw, 4% total), and the explosion has less knockback power that KOs at 400% instead. There also is some lag between the two vaults, making it much easier to edge-guard. | |
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| ==Differences with Falcon Dive== | | ==Differences with Falcon Dive== |
| [[File:Ganondorf Dark Dive Fire.jpg|thumb|The uppercut at the end of the move]] | | [[File:Ganondorf Dark Dive Fire.jpg|thumb|right|The uppercut at the end of the move]] |
| *{{change|Electrocutes the grabbed opponent before producing an explosion, whereas Falcon Dive immediately grabs and explodes.}} | | *Electrical effects instead of flames. |
| *{{change|Has the [[electric]] effect on the multi-hits, and the throw in ''Ultimate''. Falcon Dive has no such effects.}} | | *Multi-hitting instead of 2 hits. |
| *{{nerf|Deals 11% total damage in ''Brawl'', 6% less than Falcon Dive; 13.8% total damage in ''Smash 4'', 3.2% less than Falcon Dive; and 16.6% in ''Ultimate'', 1.4% less than Falcon Dive.}} | | *In ''Brawl'', it deals a total of 11% damage instead of 17% for Falcon Dive and the damage Dark Dive dealt in ''Melee''. |
| **{{buff|Deals 17% total damage in ''Melee'', 2% more than Falcon Dive.}}
| | *Stronger knockback-wise in Melee, but much weaker in Brawl and can get hit out of it by many characters at mid percents or higher. |
| *{{buff|Much stronger knockback in ''Melee'' and ''Ultimate'' than Falcon Dive.}} | | *Doesn't go as high and moves much slower horizontally after using it, but falls slower after using it. |
| **{{nerf|However, much weaker knockback in ''Brawl'' and slightly weaker in ''Smash 4''.}}
| | *Dark Dive hits with an uppercut that deals 7% damage with darkness if he doesn't grab the opponent earlier in the move (''Brawl'' only). |
| *{{nerf|In ''Brawl'', many characters can hit Ganondorf after release at mid percents or higher due to its drastically weaker knockback and the hitstun changes.}}
| | *A little slower. |
| *{{nerf|Dark Dive travels slower than Falcon Dive.}} | |
| *{{buff|Dark Dive travels more vertical distance than Falcon Dive in ''Melee'' and more horizontal distance since ''Brawl''.}}
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| *{{nerf|Dark Dive travels less vertical distance than Falcon Dive after ''Melee''.}}
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| *{{buff|After ''Melee'', Dark Dive hits with an uppercut that deals 7% darkness damage if he does not grab the opponent earlier in the move, whereas Falcon Dive lacks such a hitbox.}} | |
| *{{nerf|In ''Ultimate'', the grabbox on the grounded version is significantly harder to land, especially against grounded opponents, limiting its utility as an [[out of shield]] option.}}
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| *{{change|Completely different custom moves.}} | |
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| ==Origin==
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| The Dark Dive is a move original to ''Smash'', as it is directly based off of the [[Falcon Dive]]. The main visual difference is the flame effects are replaced with purple particle effects as a reference to the dark magic Ganondorf possesses and frequently uses.
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| ==Gallery==
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| Ganondorf SSBU Skill Preview Up Special.png|Dark Dive as shown by the Move List in ''Ultimate''.
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| </gallery>
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| ==Names in other languages==
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| |ja={{ja|雷神掌|Raijinshō}}
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| |en=Dark Dive
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| |fr=Plongeon sombre
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| |es=Salto oscuro
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| |de=Finstersprung
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| |it=Tuffo oscuro
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| |nl=Duistere Duik
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| |ru={{rollover|Прыжок тьмы|Pryzhok tmy|?}}
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| |ko={{rollover|뇌신장|Noesinjang|?}}
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| |zh={{rollover|雷神掌|Léishén Zhǎng|?}}
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| ==Trivia== | | ==Trivia== |
| *In ''Melee'', victims do not visibly wince from this attack, with the exception of {{SSBM|Yoshi}}. | | *In ''Melee'', victims don't visibly wince from this attack (except for Yoshi), though in ''Brawl'', they squint in pain. This also seems to be the case for Captain Falcon's Falcon Dive. |
| *In ''Melee'', the multi-hit hitboxes of the move may fail to connect on characters of a significantly different size than Ganondorf, such as a tiny Kirby or a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZqDELm3QfI giant Wire Frame]. When this happens, the move deals significantly less damage and ends faster. | | *In ''Melee'', the multi-hit hitboxes of the move may fail to connect on characters of a significantly different size than Ganondorf, such as a tiny Kirby or a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZqDELm3QfI giant Wire Frame]. As a result the move deals significantly less damage and ends faster. |
| *In ''Brawl'', the grab box can not break a [[Smash Ball]], along with Captain Falcon's Falcon Dive, though the uppercut can break them and the grab box can break targets in [[Target Smash!!]] and hit enemies and Bosses in the Subspace Emissary and in the Boss Battles. | | *In ''Brawl'', the grab box can not break a [[Smash Ball]], along with Captain Falcon's Falcon Dive, though the uppercut can break them and the grab box can break targets in [[Target Smash!!]] and hit enemies and Bosses in the Subspace Emissary and in the Boss Battles. |
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| {{Special Moves|char=Ganondorf}} | | {{Special Moves|char=Ganondorf}} |
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