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| ==Move to ''Category:Nintendo associates''== | | ==Move to ''Category:Nintendo asocciates''== |
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| #'''YES.''' "Nintendo people" is almost comically vague. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:39, 4 June 2017 (EDT) | | #'''YES.''' "Nintendo people" is almost comically vague. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:39, 4 June 2017 (EDT) |
| #:Clarifying that I do not prefer the name in the tag, but rather "Nintendo employees" or "Nintendo workers". [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:59, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #'''Support'''. I don't see why not, since ''asocciates'' sounds much more profesional. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 21:42, 4 June 2017 (EDT) | | #'''Support'''. I don't see why not, since ''asocciates'' sounds much more profesional. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 21:42, 4 June 2017 (EDT) |
| #'''Support''' because formalities are nice. [[User:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Crimson;">'''Bacon'''</span>]][[User talk:BaconMaster|<span style="color: Maroon;">'''Master'''</span>]][[File:BaconMasterSig.png|16px|link=]] 21:43, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #'''Support''' the name sounds so weird as-is <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 21:47, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #'''Support'''. 'Nintendo PEOPLE' sounds unprofessional. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Furry Nation'''</span>]] 01:10, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #"Associates" implies things on the same tier as Nintendo itself, so I would assume companies from the phrase "Nintendo associates" and go in expecting to see Game Freak, Monolith Soft, etc. What's not clear or unprofessional about "people"? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:49, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #:"People" is what you say when you are unsure of what else to call a group. Also:
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| #:Associate, noun
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| #:#a partner or colleague in business or at work.
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| #:#:"he arranged for a close associate to take control of the institute"
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| #:#:synonyms: partner, colleague, coworker, workmate, comrade, ally, affiliate, confederate
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| #:#a person with limited or subordinate membership in an organization.
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| #:<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:54, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #I think this is a solution in search of a problem. "People" is clear and to the point; "associate" is nebulous and non-obvious. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 22:14, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #I see nothing wrong with the naming. "People" is as proper and commonly used as it gets. [[User:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="skyblue">MH</font>''']][[User talk:MHStarCraft|'''<font color="blue">StarCraft</font>''']] [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] 23:26, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #Per Toomai. -- <font face="Vivaldi"><font size="4">''Her Majesty, [[User:Queen Junko|Queen]] [[User_talk:Queen Junko|Junko]]'',</font></font> 23:11, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #It works with what we have right now. It seems as though the only reason we have articles on these people is because they were involved in Super Smash Bros. itself. So if we were to rename this category at all, why not make it more clear and call it "Super Smash Bros. staff?" Obviously Reggie wasn't involved (he's only in Special Thanks) but I think that's a far more simple approach. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #[[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 21:47, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #Fine with either way. To be honest, I'm not sure why I'm voting but eh [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 23:29, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| #I was going to support, but after seeing what went down and thinking it through, I realized I honestly don't care. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:07, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
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| I know I'm a new user, but I wanted to point out that Wikipedia also uses the category "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_people Nintendo people]". If it's good for Wikipedia, why wouldn't it be okay here? [[User:Queen Junko|Queen Junko]] ([[User talk:Queen Junko|talk]]) 21:46, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :Because we're not Wikipedia? [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 21:47, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :Whyyy do you guys ALWAYS point out what Wikipedia is doing? We don't mimic them. We are a completely different wiki with a completely different scope and a completely different userbase set to accomplish a completely different goal. There is no reason that we should follow suit with them. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:49, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I never said that we should strictly mimic them, I was just wondering why it would be unacceptable to follow their example in this case. I don't appreciate being spoken down to nor being lumped in with previous users just because I asked a question. [[User:Queen Junko|Queen Junko]] ([[User talk:Queen Junko|talk]]) 22:11, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::I'm sorry about that but "If it's good for Wikipedia, why wouldn't it be okay here? " is a question that gets asked over and over again, and the answer is always the same. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:13, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::It's true that we shouldn't do something just because another wiki does, but it's also true that we should consider ''why'' they do it that way instead of just ignoring it. And in this case, I think it's for simplicity and ease of understanding. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomperable 22:19, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::Since when did simplicity and understanding matter more than professionalism? Also simply viewing the category and seeing the articles within it should clear up any misconceptions right there and then, should it not? I am having difficulty seeing the difference between "people" and "associates" besides the fact that "associates" implies occupation and, in general, is just a more professional term. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:23, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::The fact that Wikipedia names all its company categories "X people" rather than "X associates" calls into question your assertion that it's a more professional term. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yellow 22:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::::Would you walk into a business meeting with a potentially partnering company and call them "X company people" or "X company associates"? It goes back to what Nyargle was saying, that "people" in this context is an informal, almost comical term. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:39, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::::#You're comparing two different contexts.
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| ::::::::#If it's really that bad, why does Wikipedia use it as their standard? They're generally very good at having formal and neutral naming conventions, so there must be a reason they don't use "associates" for their business people categories. (I don't really want to keep comparing us to them, but one of the big internet rules is that being different without a reason is generally not good.) [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 22:53, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| For all I know, they don't because they haven't thought of it. Idrk because I don't edit for them. I disagree that this change is a case of different for the sake of being different. I think this is different for the sake of progression. On a minor scale, yes (I'm aware that this is one category and that its name doesn't really make a big picture difference), but I have always believed that progression is valuable on any scale. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:59, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :The issue here is that "people" is a clear, unambiguous and reasonably professional term, as indicated by its usage elsewhere. "Associates" is unclear and vague; it most commonly refers to equal partners in a project, not employees. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:22, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::Yes...I might remind you that Sakurai does not work for Nintendo, yet he is still in the category, invalidating your point. I'm sure there are others who probably belong in this category (perhaps without articles as of yet) that fall in the same group as him as well. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:14, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::Sakurai's a person related to Nintendo, even if not a direct employee, but that wasn't the main point I was getting at whatsoever. The claimed reason for the move is for professionalism, when "people" is as professional of a term and more precise. That's the entirety of what should be discussed here. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:13, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::How is Sakurai not being "Nintendo people" but being a "Nintendo associate" irrelevant to this argument? And no, if I want to strengthen my argument with other things besides the main point, I will, and you cannot tell me not to. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 02:26, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::I feel your whole argument is based on the completely unproven assertion that "associate" is any more "professional" than "people" in this context. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Multifaceted 06:39, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::::I've been considering whether to elaborate, and eventually decided to.
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| :::::When I asked you the question of why Wikipedia doesn't use "associates", it was intended as a rhetorical question to make you consider the opposite side of the argument: "If this is so clearly the right thing to do, then why is the most well-known wiki not doing it?". Instead, you seem to have answered it from the preset perspective that you are right and they are wrong, and with a cheap answer of "they haven't thought of it", which I contend is exceedingly unlikely for a wiki of their age and size. This tells me your assertion of "professionalism" doesn't have a good basis. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Emissary 07:37, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::::Not really my point. I cannot answer why they have done what they have done. I am not claiming myself to be right or saying that they are wrong. All I am saying is that there is no point of following Wikipedia's example just because they are Wikipedia. I don't really understand why you even care what they do, or why you think that should affect what we do. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:22, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| What if we used "Nintendo employees" instead? Employee is a more accurate and clear descriptor than "associates" or "people", and the phrasing is more, as Serpent King puts it, "professional" than "Nintendo people". [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:35, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :That could work, let's see what the others have to say about it. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|40px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''Beep'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 15:43, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I feel that "employees" isn't entirely accurate (we'd have to split out the voice actors subcategory), but it's certainly better than "associates" in that the average person will understand it immediately.
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| ::@SK: I am only referring to Wikipedia as an attempt to confirm/deny your assertion that "associates" is a more professional term than "people" in the context of wiki category names. If you have some other way to validify your assertion, go ahead. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 18:38, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
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| :::I don't, but at least 5 other people agree with me so. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 20:57, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
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| Given that most of the more recent votes have gone against the majority, I'd like to see if anyone besides SK, Toomai, and me have any thoughts on recent developments before I move the category or remove the tag. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 23:07, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
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