Editing Category talk:Disambiguation

==(disambiguation)==

This wiki is extremely inconsistent. Some pages have (disambiguation) tacked on the end, while others don't. What do you think we should do? <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Now with ROLLBACK! 19:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:Before anyone does something else, I just want to clarify that you're supposed to comment under the thing you support. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Now with ROLLBACK! 19:25, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
::Bump. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] It's getting better all the time! 21:03, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:::If I don't have any votes to the contrary by tomorrow, I'm going ahead with moving everything. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] -.-- -.-- --..! 19:12, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::::More discussion is needed, so bump again. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] I am the air con. 16:48, 24 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::If I don't see a strong argument from the "Keep it as is" people/refutation of my argument, I'm going ahead with moving everything tomorrow. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] The wiki's OTHER penguin 16:37, 7 November 2012 (EST)
We have three options. Discuss.

===Keep it as is===
:Just because it's inconsistent doesn't mean it's a problem. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 19:16, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Granted, it's not a big problem, and it will never have high priority on the wiki, but inconsistency is still something we might want to take care of. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Come together! 18:12, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:There is no problem with the disambiguations. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Cute Asian]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 18:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::Well, it's inconsistent. Inconsistency is confusing. There's a reason why other wikis do it with Example (disambiguation). <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Come together! 19:18, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
:::Well true that it is inconsistent. What else can we do? [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Cute Asian]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 19:27, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
::::You could... read the options I've provided down there↓? <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Come together! 19:31, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

* '''For'''. Probably really late, but the disambiguation tag is redundant in many cases. Where it is not needed, it should not be. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 12:56, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

What's also interesting to note is that Wikipedia disambiguations pages are not titled "name (disambiguation)". Seems like its not really needed to them however. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Smiley 11:58, 24 June 2013 (EDT)
:Actually I kinda take that back, some of them would have that title but I don't know if its the true correct way. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Star Fox 09:48, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

As I see it, the main argument for including "(disambiguation)" in title is that it somehow would make things more consistent, but I don't see how. It ''creates'' inconsistency since doesn't follow the standard that titles shouldn't be redundant. Why does the title ''have'' to indicate that it's a disambig, why is that preferrable? If you claim it's because "some contain it, therefore all should for consistency", I don't see how. In some cases, the format "X (disambiguation)" is needed to distinguish it from an actual article named "X"; this is the purpose for the parenthetical addendum in a title. If you go to a page in this category with "(disambiguation)" removed, it will just redirect to corresponding disambiguation in the very most cases. What's the point of that? Why not just make it standard not to have that tag in the title? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 11:05, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

And for some reason, on this page ther's no "remove where redundant" option, or similarly, to vote for. Since the vote has been going on for such a long time without that option, the results aren't really valid. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 11:14, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

I'll have to agree with Smiddle on this. The opposing argument is an argument of "consistency" that doesn't apply, and AirCon's argument already has a significant issue by assuming readers are morons (and even if someone can't recognise a disambig page without the title stating such, does it really affect them and prevent them from finding the information they're looking for?). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:18, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

I agree too, pages that are disambiguations does not need "x (disambiguation)" as its quite overall obvious that people can already tell if it is an disambiguation (in addition disambig templates can tell too). [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Mushroom 11:41, 25 June 2013 (EDT)

So, what's next? If I want to see something that concretely states the title shouldn't include the tag where unnecessary, what's the next step? - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 06:46, 28 June 2013 (EDT)
:So we're going to have a community discussion to decide on how these pages are named? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font><font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Scientist 09:44, 28 June 2013 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind. - <font face="lucida handwriting,segoe script">Ceci n’est pas un [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]].</font> 15:31, 28 June 2013 (EDT)

===Move everything to Example (disambiguation)===

:I '''support''' this option, as it will make it clearer to anyone who isn't sure. It sounds like nobody could possibly not be sure, but there are a lot of idiots in the world. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Now with ROLLBACK! 19:09, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:Other wikis do it this way with reason, the specifics are more useful for users. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 19:11, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:'''Support''' Per AirCon. lol to his last point. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 19:17, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:I '''support''' this option. I think it is awesome enough. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  20:20, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:'''Support''' for the sake of organization. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 21:10, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

===Get rid of the (disambiguation)s===

== Disambiguations for single subjects should be full pages. ==

You know what bothers me about the disambiguation pages here? A lot of them are about one character and they are just pointing to the lists of Trophies, Stickers, Spirits and Background Characters that have that character. Disambiguations are meant for words with multiple meanings. The [[Silver (disambiguation)]] page includes a link to [[Silver the Hedgehog]] which redirects to [[Silver the Hedgehog (disambiguation)]] which just links to the pages he's listed on. I don't really see any point in making a disambiguation page for one character making multiple cameos. I think those characters should have full articles. Following the discussion on [[Talk:Charmander]], which is a Pokémon who has only made the appearances that would have made it a disambiguation, I think every character in this category deserves better than a disambiguation. They should be moved with the "(disambiguation)" tag removed, get a Character General Infobox, and have a section for each Smash game they cameoed in with their trophy/sticker/spirit information and a description of what they did on the stage. An origin section won't hurt either. And a gallery section for additional images can be good. And the trivia section can follow the [[SW:TRIVIA|rules]]. Considering how our [[SW:NOTE|notability policy]] only talks about Smasher players and no written rule have stated a trophy can't get a page, I think these guys should get their pages. After all, we cover the Super Smash Bros. series and the characters who have disambiguations have at least shown up in the Smash games. We have categories for [[:Category:Trophies (SSBM)]], [[:Category:Trophies (SSBB)]], [[:Category:Trophies (SSB4-Wii U)]], [[:Category:Trophies (SSB4-3DS)]], [[:Category:Stickers]], [[:Category:Background characters]], and [[:Category:Spirits]]. Characters who are Smash Tour items get full pages despite Smash Tour items not giving much information other than their effects, making pages like [[Tetra]] and [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Princess_Daisy&oldid=1039443 Daisy's page before her Ultimate reveal] good examples of what Trophy-only character pages could possibly look like. The [[Midgar]] stage hazards [[Bahamut ZERO]], [[Ifrit]], [[Leviathan]], [[Odin]] and [[Ramuh]] have pages despite being nothing but [[Background characters]]. They didn't even get their own Trophies! But while characters who only got one trophy should redirect to their list of trophies unless someone could make a decent article of them, disambiguation pages like [[Amy Rose (disambiguation)]] should be turned into actual articles, because what could "Amy Rose" refer to other than that pink hedgehog who loves [[Sonic]]? And other disambiguations that refer to single objects that links to lists they are in, full articles too, similar to the characters. Forms and variations of a specific fighter who appeared as a trophy or sticker should redirect to the fighter's main page. For example, Beam Kirby could redirect to [[Kirby]] and have the trophies listed on Kirby's page. The Trophies are listed there anyways. And as for the music tracks, I would like them to get pages so that we don't have that awkward double parenthesis in [[Airship Theme (Super Mario Bros. 3) (disambiguation)]]. I think someone should reformat the music listings for each series so that they look more like a table instead of a bunch of stubs stacked on top of each other. And those stubs should be split into their own pages merged with the sections from games that track returned in. So yeah, disambiguations about one thing with multiple Smash appearances should be pages and not disambiguations. Disambiguations of terms that could mean multiple things in Smash like [[Duck Hunt (disambiguation)]] (which can either be the [[Duck Hunt|character]], [[Duck Hunt (universe)|universe]] or [[Duck Hunt (stage)|stage]] can stay. Anyone agree with me? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 21:47, 20 November 2018 (EST)
:My current understanding is that if the character has a function that effects game play in at least one installment, then they get a page. Like [[Tetra]]. In ''Smash for Wii U'', she is one of the Tour Items that is used in [[Smash Tour]], so she got got a page despite technically only appearing as a trophy. [[Pauline]] doesn't have a page, most likely that despite appearing in the background in the [[New Donk City]] stage and being "intractable", she does not have an impact on the ''game play'', only the music. Unfortunately, [[Silver the Hedgehog (disambiguation)|Silver]] also falls under this, as his background cameo does not impact game play. The basis of Mii Fighter costumes also a page for being notable enough. It would be cool to see characters like Amy Rose or Pauline with pages of their own, but they unfortunately, at to current my current understanding, do not have anything "notable" enough to become their own page. Something I'd like to see, is instead of redirecting the pages to a list of Trophies, Stickers, Spirits, Background Characters, or Disambiguation Pages that it's in, the link takes them to the Wiki of their respective franchise (Like this Wiki seems to do with the ''Fire Emblem'' series regarding Spirits) and not a regular Wikipedia page of it (unless the franchise doesn't have a dedicate wiki). I've seen that happening with the Castlevania series despite having a Wiki. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:15, 23 November 2018 (EST)
::I don't really think the Smash Tour items are notable enough. The [[Smash Tour]] page list all of its items, and they don't even appear in battle like Assist Trophies or even the background characters. In each of the pages for the Smash Tour items, their roles as Trophies are more in-depth than their effects in Smash Tour. [[Boo]]'s page doesn't have a section on "Smash Tour." It just has half of the Smash 4 paragraph stating his effect of turning players invisible while the other half of the paragraph just says he returns as a Trophy and appears in the Luigi's Mansion stage. And most players don't like Smash Tour anyway so why should that take priority? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 20:58, 23 November 2018 (EST)
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 :My current understanding is that if the character has a function that effects game play in at least one installment, then they get a page. Like [[Tetra]]. In ''Smash for Wii U'', she is one of the Tour Items that is used in [[Smash Tour]], so she got got a page despite technically only appearing as a trophy. [[Pauline]] doesn't have a page, most likely that despite appearing in the background in the [[New Donk City]] stage and being "intractable", she does not have an impact on the ''game play'', only the music. Unfortunately, [[Silver the Hedgehog (disambiguation)|Silver]] also falls under this, as his background cameo does not impact game play. The basis of Mii Fighter costumes also a page for being notable enough. It would be cool to see characters like Amy Rose or Pauline with pages of their own, but they unfortunately, at to current my current understanding, do not have anything "notable" enough to become their own page. Something I'd like to see, is instead of redirecting the pages to a list of Trophies, Stickers, Spirits, Background Characters, or Disambiguation Pages that it's in, the link takes them to the Wiki of their respective franchise (Like this Wiki seems to do with the ''Fire Emblem'' series regarding Spirits) and not a regular Wikipedia page of it (unless the franchise doesn't have a dedicate wiki). I've seen that happening with the Castlevania series despite having a Wiki. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:15, 23 November 2018 (EST)
 ::I don't really think the Smash Tour items are notable enough. The [[Smash Tour]] page list all of its items, and they don't even appear in battle like Assist Trophies or even the background characters. In each of the pages for the Smash Tour items, their roles as Trophies are more in-depth than their effects in Smash Tour. [[Boo]]'s page doesn't have a section on "Smash Tour." It just has half of the Smash 4 paragraph stating his effect of turning players invisible while the other half of the paragraph just says he returns as a Trophy and appears in the Luigi's Mansion stage. And most players don't like Smash Tour anyway so why should that take priority? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 20:58, 23 November 2018 (EST)
-:::Admin [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidanzapunk]] was the one who gave the reason why Tetra has a page on the [[Talk:Charmander|Charmander talk page]]. If you disagree, you can always try asking him directly on his talk page regarding if ''Smash Tour'' Items like Tetra should have a page or not. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:33, 23 November 2018 (EST)
-::::Honestly, I think characters with enough cameo appearances should get them pages. In fact, maybe even having one trophy may be enough? Though I guess maybe if we open the flood gates to all trophies we'd be looking more like a generic Nintendo wiki. But minor characters getting articles would better than minor characters getting disambiguation pages. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:04, 23 November 2018 (EST)
-:::::If they don't have page on the ''Smash'' Wiki, I think they should direct to their respective series's Wiki page of them instead of a disambiguation page. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 00:37, 24 November 2018 (EST)
-::::::Yeah, I think those character disambiguations should be deleted and the broken redirects that result from the deletion should either redirect to the appropriate NIWA wiki page, the universe page, or be converted into full-fledged articles. I think disambiguations are useless for minor characters who don't have their own pages. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:58, 26 November 2018 (EST)
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