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The '''Ice Climbers''' ({{ja|アイスクライマー|Aisu Kuraimā}}, ''Ice Climber'') are playable fighters in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''. Like all veterans, the duo were confirmed on June 12th, 2018 during the E3 2018 trailer. Unlike the game's predecessors, the duo are now [[unlockable character]]s, instead of being available from the [[starter character|start]]. Although they are an archetypical tag-team, the Ice Climbers are collectively classified as [[Fighter number|Fighter #15]].
The '''Ice Climbers''' ({{ja|アイスクライマー|Aisu Kuraimā}}, ''Ice Climber'') are playable fighters in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''. They were confirmed on June 12th, 2018. Although they are a team, the Ice Climbers are collectively classified as [[Fighter number|Fighter #15]].


The Ice Climbers are voiced in all regions once again by {{s|wikipedia|Sanae Kobayashi}}, using a combination of new voice clips and recycled ones from both ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''.
The Ice Climbers are once again voiced by Sanae Kobayashi, with her portrayals from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' and ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' being repurposed for ''Ultimate''.


The Ice Climbers are ranked 56th out of 82 on ''Ultimate''{{'}}s current [[tier list]], ranking them at the dead end of the B- tier. This is an extreme drop from their previous ranking in ''Brawl'', where the duo were ranked 2nd out of 36, and is by far their worst placement in the series to date. The Ice Climbers' most considerate strength is their oddities as a two-in-one character: when combined, their damage output is among the best across the cast. This is further supplemented by their fantastic frame-data and KOing power, courtesy of their [[smash attack]]s, aerials, [[Squall Hammer]] and [[Belay]]. The duo's relatively small size and low [[crouching|crouch]] also makes them hard to hit; their crouch especially allows them to avoid most grabs and some attacks. Even then, their hammers give them [[disjointed hitbox]]es and good range in their moves for their size. Despite being drastically [[nerf]]ed, their [[grab]] game is still among the best across the cast, which each throw providing pratical usage: their [[forward throw]] and [[back throw]] can leave the opponent in unfavorable positions for [[edgeguarding]], and [[down throw]] is an excellent combo starter at lower precents and a reliable KOing throw at much higher precents. Their [[special move]]s also have flexible versatility, as [[Ice Shot]], Squall Hammer and [[Blizzard]] can start and/or extend combos, with the former being a decent zoning projectile, and Belay being an excellent recovery for both climbers. Finally, [[desynching]] remains a versatile tool for the duo to pull off combos in an unorthodox manner.
The Ice Climbers are ranked 56th out of 82 on the tier list, putting them at the end of the B- tier. This is an extreme drop from their 2nd out of 38 ranking in ''Brawl'', and by far their worst placement in the series.
 
However, while having uncontested damage output and KO potential, it becomes heavily diminished if the partner is gone. The fact that the partner sustains more damage/knockback and has flawed [[AI]] further compounds this issue as well. In addition, the duo have poor endurance, as their moderately light [[weight]] and [[falling speed|floatiness]] make them susceptible to early KOs. Their poor mobility, as well as their situational projectiles, hoists a lot of problems in [[neutral game|neutral]] and off-stage. Despite their [[disjointed hitbox]]es, ther range is still lackluster, allowing swordfighters, such as {{SSBU|Ike}} and {{SSBU|Cloud}}, to easily outrange them. Furthermore, the removal of [[chain grab]]ing and the partner's lack of ability to grab or act while the leader is grabbed makes them much easier to challenge with grabs, and removes a sizable portion of their [[zero-to-death]] tactics. Finally, despite covering considerable distance, their [[recovery]] is also situational and predictable, as Belay and Squall Hammer cover somewhat linear distances, and their poor air speed and floatiness make them vulnerable to edgeguarding.
 
Overall, while not as dominating as before, the duo still remain as characters that should not be underestimated regardless of the matchup because of their discovered desyncs and damaging combos that only a few characters can outmatch. As such, the duo's competitive standing in ''Ultimate'' still remains respectable, and players such as {{Sm|Harasen}}, {{Sm|Futari no Kiwami Ah~!}} and especially {{Sm|Big D}} have seen consistent success with the Ice Climbers in tournaments.


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The Ice Climbers are known for being a pair of short, light [[weight|middleweight]]s (weighing the same as {{SSBU|Lucario}}, {{SSBU|Wolf}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Mythra}} and {{SSBU|Steve}}, thus residing at the lower end of the weight class), tying for the third-lightest middleweights of the class and the 17th-lightest characters in the game. Remaining true to their home series, the duo are a slow, yet floaty duo with attributes that differ themselves from the other characters of their weight class. The duo have the 45th slowest [[walk]]ing speeds, the 47th fastest [[dash]]ing speeds, the 22nd/21st highest [[air acceleration]], and above-average [[jump]]ing height. The duo also have the 9th slowest [[air speed]], are tied with {{SSBU|Isabelle}} and {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}} for the 8th/10th-slowest [[falling speed|falling]] and [[fast fall]]ing speeds, and the 28th lowest [[gravity]]. In addition, the leader has the 35th slowest walking speed, the 18th slowest [[run]]ning speed, the 3rd slowest air speed, and is tied with {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}} for the 8th/10th slowest initial dash. Due to these statistics, the duo's mobility is comparable to {{SSBU|Kirby}}'s own: the duo have decent grounded mobility at the expense of sluggish aerial mobility. Although minor, the Ice Climbers nevertheless have a unique [[fighter ability]]: their traction is among the highest in the game by the conditions of [[slippery]] surfaces such as ice, whereas they will slide somewhat on non-slippery surfaces. In the latter case, their traction is the 2nd-lowest after {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}} and {{SSBU|Mii Gunner}}.
The Ice Climbers are a pair of [[weight|middleweight]]s, (weighing the same as {{SSBU|Lucario}}, {{SSBU|Wolf}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Mythra}}, and {{SSBU|Steve}}), with a moderately short height, above average [[jump]]s, average [[air speed]] and [[air acceleration]], with low [[gravity]] and slow [[falling speed]]. Unique to a majority of the roster, they are the archetypical tag team fighters, though each Climber is a unique character in their own right. The partner (Nana by default) is controlled by a CPU and mimics what the leader (Popo by default) does with a seven frame delay. As such, the player is essentially controlling two characters at the same time with slight tweaks; the partner has slightly higher mobility attributes, they will deal less damage, receive more damage, and are knocked back farther than the leader. When separated, the partner's AI takes control over their movement, and guides them back to the leader, ignoring most opponents in their path. While one Ice Climber deals respectable damage on their own, the two's power combined can make them formidable.
 
Unique to a majority of the roster, they are the archetypical tag-team fighters, though each climber is a unique character in their own right. The partner (Nana, by default) is controlled by a CPU and mimics what the leader (Popo, by default) performs with a seven-frame delay. As such, the player is essentially controlling a pair of characters at the same time with slight tweaks; the partner has slightly increased mobility/attributes ([[walk]]ing, [[dash]]ing, [[air speed|air]] and [[falling speed]]s, [[gravity]] and [[air acceleration]]), they will inflict less damage, sustain more damage, and are knocked back farther than the leader. When separated, the partner's [[AI]] takes control over their movement, and guides them back to the leader, ignoring most opponents in their path. While a single Ice Climber deals respectable damage on their own, the duo's power combined can make them formidable.  


The Ice Climbers' greatest strengths lie in their high damage-racking capabilities, which is supplemented by their quick frame-data and the versatility of their moveset. In addition, their hammers give them [[disjointed hitbox]]es, making their range surprisingly good despite their small size and their weight class. To round out their uncontested damage output, the duo have excellent frame-data. None of their moveset has more than 15 frames of start-up (aside from [[forward aerial]], [[Ice Shot]] and [[Blizzard]]), and none of their moveset has more than 30 frames of ending lag (sans [[forward smash]], [[up smash]], forward aerial and Ice Shot), allowing them to beat out characters who cannot outmatch their attacking speed without getting heavily punished for it, such as {{SSBU|Palutena}}. Most of the Ice Climbers' grounded moveset is fairly quick and disjointed, allowing for versatile usage. Their [[neutral attack]] is quick, hits twice (four times with both climbers), and launches at a low angle, making this attack fairly good at guaranteeing follow-ups at lower percentages, giving the duo a reliable stun-lock or a setup for [[tech chase]]s, and allowing the Ice Climbers a quick option to keep opponents away from them by a distance. [[Forward tilt]] can be angled, and has a chance to trip opponents. It has impressive knockback growth, and can KO fellow middleweights at about 135% at the edge of Final Destination. [[Up tilt]] is short-ranged, but one of the Ice Climbers' most useful moves in their kit, hitting multiple times with low knockback and dealing excellent damage. It also allows for a direct chain into a series of [[up aerial]]s until about 115%, making it paramount in initiating combos. [[Down tilt]] is one of their quickest grounded moves, functioning as a strong [[semi-spike]] at high percentages that can KO under 150% by the edge, and making follow-ups into [[dash attack]] or similar unnaturally easy. Dash attack starts off moderately slow, but sends opponents above the leader for quick ground-to-air transitions into up aerials, comparatively to up tilt. While its average knockback growth makes it useful in starting aerial combos, it can actually score KOs on platforms near the top blast zone with high levels of [[rage]] at much higher precents.
Most of the Ice Climbers' grounded moveset is fairly quick and disjointed, allowing for versatile use. Their [[neutral attack]] is fast, hits twice, and launches at a low angle, making this attack fairly good at guaranteeing follow-ups at lower percentages, giving the duo a reliable stun-lock, and allowing the Ice Climbers a quick option to keep opponents away from them. [[Forward tilt]] can be angled, and has a chance to trip opponents. It has impressive knockback growth, and can KO fellow middleweights at about 135% at the edge of Final Destination. [[Up tilt]] is short ranged, but one of the Ice Climbers' most useful moves, hitting multiple times with low knockback and dealing excellent damage. It also allows for a direct chain into a series of [[up aerial]]s until about 115%, making it paramount in initiating combos. [[Down tilt]] is one of their quickest grounded moves, acting as a strong semi-spike at high percentages, and making follow-ups into [[dash attack]] or similar very easy. Dash attack starts off moderately slow, but sends opponents above the leader for quick transitions into Up aerials, similarly to up tilt. However, it has very low knockback growth, making it only useful in starting aerial combos.


Complimenting their tilts, the Ice Climbers' [[smash attacks]] are among the strongest across the entire cast, making them very useful and excellent for scoring KOs. [[Forward smash]] is the duo's strongest smash attack, dealing impressive damage despite its quick speed, and respectable knockback even at lower percentages, reliably KOing at about 70% at edge of the stage. [[Up smash]] is similarly powerful, sending opponents flying quite early, but is particularly slower in its start-up and ending, making it more situational. It hits in a wide area directly above the Ice Climbers, and can KO middleweights at about 115%-120%. [[Down smash]] launches opponents at an awkwardly diagonal angle, and is the weakest of the duo's smash attacks, but is still a reliable burst KOing option due to its quickness and strong knockback, KOing middleweights as early as 105% even at the center of the stage. Though at a rare occurence, if both climbers were to connect both hitboxes, the move will deal exceptional damage (as high as fully charged smash attacks). Each Climber swings in one direction, allowing this move to catch rolls and surprise opponents who approaches from behind. However, if only the leader is currently on-stage, they become vulnerable to rolls due to the lack of a hitbox from behind.
Complimenting their tilts, the Ice Climbers' [[smash attacks]] are also very useful and excellent KO options. [[Forward smash]] is the duo's strongest smash, dealing impressive damage despite it's quick speed, and respectable knockback even at lower percentages, reliably KOing at about 70% at edge of the stage. [[Up smash]] is similarly powerful, sending opponents flying quite early, but is particularly slower in it's start-up and ending, making it situational. It hits in a wide area directly above the Ice Climbers, and can KO at about 120%. [[Down smash]] launches opponents at a diagonal angle, and is the weakest of the duo's smash attacks. Each Climber swings in one direction, allowing this move to catch rolls and surprise opponents who may be approaching from behind. However, if only the leader is currently on stage, they become vulnerable to rolls due to the lack of a hitbox from behind.


The Ice Climbers' aerial game is oppressive, especially since it is the basis of most of their combos. [[Neutral aerial]] is short-ranged, but is also quick to start and has a long-lasting hitbox, making it passable as a [[gimp]]ing tool. It is also a fairly strong [[sex kick]] as well, as the clean hit KOs middleweights at around 175% by the edge. When an opponent is launched upward, it also can add on some extra damage when using up tilt is unfavorable, or launch opponents directly forward. [[Forward aerial]] is a disjointed hammer-swing, which deals heavy damage and has moderate ending lag. The partner's version of the move provides a [[sweetspot]] that hides a very strong spike that can net a KO impressively early if used at medium percentages, and functions as one of the Ice Climbers' primary [[edgeguard]]ing tools in their kit. Even if [[sourspot]]ted, the move is among the strongest aerials in ''Ultimate'', KOing middleweights reliably at even 90% by the edge. [[Back aerial]] can be a useful move for its quickness, large, disjointed hitbox, and respectable knockback. It is deceptively strong off-stage as such, and when used properly, it can allow for a [[stage spike]] and particularly useful edgeguard. It is also a viable KOing option, as it KOs middleweights under 100% by the edge of Final Destination. It also is safe on shield, with the following climber's attack actually being positive on shield. Up aerial is the duo's strongest aerial and one of their best KO options when on the stage. The move has excellent juggling capabilities at low percents, and KO's most opponents at around 110-125% when comboed out of a [[down throw]]. [[Down aerial]] is a [[stall-then-fall]] that covers the entirety of the Ice Climbers' underside, and moves slightly diagonally forward, making it excellent at punishing opponents who are attempting to juggle them. Despite the leader's version having little KO potential outside of very high percentages, the partner 's version is a steep semi-spike with more power compared to the leader, being able to KO middleweights at around 170% at the center of the stage, which almost completely offsets that. Additionally, it can be effectively used out of a short hop to attack opponents directly in front of the Ice Climbers (especially [[out of shield]]), while also being quick to act out of makes it situational for edgeguards when combined with its slow descent. As a cherry on top, all of their aerials have some of the lowest landing lag across the cast, making them surprisingly safe for their power.
The Ice Climbers' aerials are all strong options and are the basis of most of their combos. [[Neutral aerial]] is short ranged, and has weak knockback, but is also quick to start and has a long-lasting hitbox, making it passable as a [[gimp]]ing tool. When an opponent is launched upward, it also can add on some extra damage when using up tilt is unfavorable, or launch opponents directly forward. [[Forward aerial]] is a disjointed hammer swing, which deals heavy damage and has moderate ending lag. The partner's version of the move has a sweetspot that hides a very strong spike that can net a KO impressively early if used at mid percentages, and acts as the Ice Climbers' main [[edgeguard]]ing tool. [[Back aerial]] can be a useful move for its quickness, large, disjointed hitbox, and respectable knockback. It is deceptively strong offstage as such, and when used properly, it can allow for a [[stage spike]] and particularly useful edgeguard. It also is safe on shield, the partner Climber's attack actually being positive on shield. Up aerial is the duo's strongest aerial and one of their best KO options when on the stage. The move has excellent juggling capabilities at low percent, and KO's most opponents at around 110-125% when used out of a [[down throw]]. [[Down aerial]] is a [[stall-then-fall]] that covers the entirety of the Ice Climbers' underside, and moves slightly diagonally forward, making it excellent at punishing opponents who are trying to juggle them. Despite having little KO potential outside of very high percentages, it can be effectively used out of a short hop to attack opponents directly in front of the Ice Climbers, while also being quick to act out of makes it situational for edgeguards.


The Ice Climbers' [[special move]]set all have high level of versatility. [[Neutral special]] depicts the duo each creating a slab of ice that slides across the stage, shrinking as they melt. Unlike most projectiles, the ice functions more like a [[container]] or [[soccer ball]] in that the incoming projectile is completely stop, allowing the Ice Climbers to counter most projectile-spamming playstyles more easily. At extremely high percents, it can also freeze opponents, allowing the usage of setups or reads. However, similar to {{SSBU|King Dedede}}'s [[Gordo Throw]], the ice can easily be [[reflection|reflected]] with an attack that deals damage. If done so, the projectile's ownership will change, allowing it to harm the Ice Climbers if collided with. Their [[side special]], [[Squall Hammer]], is a respectable burst option for racking up damage and is relatively safe on shield or cross-ups. With continued presses, the attack causes the duo to rise, which can also be used for recovering purposes, which renders them into [[helplessness]] afterwards. It is also one of the easiest methods to begin desyncs available to the player. Squall Hammer also covers an excellent amount of horizontal distance, which makes it a viable option for [[approach]]ing, while the finishing hitbox is strong enough to KO at higher precents near the top blast zone. [[Up special]], [[Belay]], covers an excellent amount of air, and the following climber is completely [[intangible]] during the move's entire start-up, and gains full [[invincibility]] during the entire move until pulling up the leader, and auto-grabs any ledges within range, making it an excellent and safe [[tether recovery]] for both climbers. The leader also has a very situational, but strong hitbox on the way up, allowing for a guaranteed KO from the top blast zones, or a means to apply extra damage at the end of an aerial combo. Finally, [[down special]], [[Blizzard]], is a slow, read-based punish tool that freezes opponents in their tracks and deals significant amounts of damage at point-blank proximity. Using the attack while an opponent is already frozen increases the freeze-time slightly and can allow the duo to make space between them and their opponent if need be, or tack on extra damage while frozen. Specifically, this move is very useful when near the ledge, as freezing an opponent near the edges of a stage can make it easy to nudge them off without any means to escape. It also has [[priority]] over some other projectiles and can cancel them if the two collide. Overall, the duo's special moves are all useful in specific situations and can help to create openings for additional combos or surprise KOs.
The Ice Climbers' [[special]]s all have somewhat versatile uses. [[Neutral special]] has the duo each create a slab of ice that slides across the stage, shrinking as they melt. Unlike most projectiles, the ice acts more like a [[container]] or [[soccer ball]] in that the incoming projectile is completely stop, allowing the Ice Climbers to counter most projectile spam playstyles more easily. At extremely high percents it can also freeze opponents, allowing use of setups or reads. If attacked with a strong enough attack, the projectile's ownership will change, allowing it to harm the Ice Climbers if collided with. Their [[side special]], [[Squall Hammer]], is a respectable move for racking up damage and is relatively safe on shield or cross-ups. With continued presses, the attack can also be used for recovery purposes, which puts them into a [[helpless]] state. It is also one of the easiest desync methods available to the player. [[Up special]], [[Belay]], covers an excellent amount of air, the partner Climber is completely intangible until pulling up the leader, and auto-grabs any ledges within range. The leader also has a very situational, but strong hitbox on the way up, allowing for a KO from the top blast zones, or a means to apply extra damage at the end of an aerial combo. Finally, down special, [[Blizzard]], is a slow, read-based punish tool that freezes opponents in their tracks and deals significant amounts of damage at point blank range. Using the attack while an enemy is already frozen increases the freeze time slightly and can allow the duo to make space between them and their opponent if need be, or tack on extra damage while frozen. Specifically, this move is very useful when near the ledge, as freezing an opponent near the edges of a stage can make it easy to nudge them off without any means to escape. It also has priority over some other projectiles and can cancel them if the two collide. Overall, the duo's specials are all useful in specific situations and can help to create openings for additional combos or surprise KO's.


The Ice Climbers' unmatched floatiness, excellent [[jump]]ing prowess, powerful air game and exceptional [[recovery]] give the duo a tremendous off-stage presence. Altogether, the duo have a fearsome [[edgeguarding]] game while being extremely hard to gimp themselves due to the disproportional distance and [[invincibility]] of their tether recovery. All of their aerials are not only powerful, but are long-lasting and [[disjoint]]ed as well to supplement their power while also being quick to boot. When combined with low ending lag of their aerials, edgeguarding or [[gimp]]ing with them is extremely safe should their recovery be used wisely and quickly. By extension, while the partner's sweetspotted forward aerial has a [[meteor smash]] that can KO recovering opponents as low as 40% while off-stage, the sourspot [[priority|out-prioritizes]] the sweetspot and has much more power to compensate, and will launch the oppoonent in an unfavorable position off-stage where recovering is ineffective. Moreover, [[Ice Shot]] and [[Blizzard]] are another prime factors of their edgeguards: the former stuns the opponent long enough and slightly drags the opponent down upon hit, to the point they cannot reach the ledge if attempting to recover twice, while the latter freezes the opponent to the point they will fall toward the lower blast zone as a chunk of ice without any means to escape, leading to a guaranteed KO. If the opponent was able to escape via excessive [[button mashing]], they would nevertheless might not be able to recover back to the stage depending on how low they fell, which especially becomes apparent if their double jump is unavailable.
An extremely important part of playing Ice Climbers is learning how to consistently perform a tech called [[desynching]]. Desynching is an advanced technique that allows a player to manipulate the partner Ice Climber into acting slower than usual. At its most basic form, anytime the partner Ice Climber is not within a specific range of the leader, the partner's AI will take manual control of the partner and return it to the leader. During this time, none of the leader's inputs are read by the partner and it's AI inputs are prioritized until it has returned to the leader, and may act independently of the leader's current movements being performed. Using desyncs can allow for some remarkable combos and setups that are completely impossible with other fighters.


An extremely important factor of playing Ice Climbers is learning how to consistently perform a technique, called [[desynching]]. Desynching is an advanced technique that allows a player to manipulate the following climber into acting slower than usual. At its most basic form, anytime the following climber is not within a specific range of the leader, the partner's AI will take manual control of the partner and return it to the leader. During this time, none of the leader's inputs are read by the partner and its AI inputs are prioritized until it has returned to the leader, and might act independently of the leader's current movements being performed. Using desyncs can allow for some remarkable combos and setups that are completely impossible with other fighters.
The removal of [[chain grab]]s (and by extension, [[wobbling]]) means that the duo's [[grab]] game has become more situational and in-line with the rest of the roster, limiting it's effectiveness. However, while it is not as potent as it once was, the Ice Climber's grab game is still respectable. The Ice Climber's grab itself has been vastly changed. For starters, only the leader grabs opponents, while the partner cheers. This means that the duo can no longer grab more than one opponent at a time. Additionally, the Ice Climber's grab is the shortest ranged grab in the game, making it risky to attempt to grab in the first place. [[Forward throw]] is a basic throw that has moderately strong base knockback and causes [[tumble]] from 0%, which allows it to open options for a tech chase. Back throw has very strong base knockback, while it's knockback scaling has been decreased, making it difficult to use in either combos or as a KO option, but useful in desyncs. [[Up throw]] is similar, in which it has very limited uses, but notably allows quick access to juggling with up aerial. [[Down throw]] is by far the duo's best grab. It's main use is to initiate aerial combos, desync combos, and juggles, all of which can be devastating. The Ice Climbers' neutral, forward, back, and up aerials can all be used for combos out of down throw and the opponent's placement in air can make it difficult for them to escape from a combo once it has been started, especially if desynced.


The removal of [[chain grab]]bing (and by extension, [[wobbling]]) means that the duo's [[grab]] game has become more situational and in-line with the rest of the roster, limiting its effectiveness. However, while it is not as potent as it once was, the Ice Climber's grab game is still respectable and among the best across the entire cast. The Ice Climber's grab itself has been vastly changed. For starters, only the leader grabs opponents, while the partner cheers. This means that the duo can no longer grab more than one opponent at a time. Additionally, the Ice Climber's grab is the shortest-ranged grab in the game, making it risky to attempt to grab in the first place. To compensate, the Ice Climber's grab is among the fastest in ''Ultimate''. In addition, their dash grab gives the leader a substantial speed-boost, and their [[pummel]] is among the fastest in the entire game, allowing them to inflict good amounts of damage before throwing the opponent. Their throws are also versatile as well: [[forward throw]] is a basic throw that has moderately strong base knockback and causes [[tumble]] from 0%, which allows it to open options for a tech-chase or setting up an [[edgeguard]], while it has decent knockback growth and KOs middleweights at around 185% by the ledge with enough [[rage]]. Back throw has very strong base knockback at the expense of its knockback scaling being very low, making it difficult for usage in either combos or as a KO option, but useful in desyncs and setting up edgeguards. [[Up throw]] shares similar traits to back throw, but notably allows quick access to juggling with up aerial and sets up for combos, especially into [[Belay]] for guaranteed KO combos. It can also KO at very high precentages or near the top blast zones as well. [[Down throw]] is by far the duo's best factor of their grab game, as its primary usage is to initiate aerial combos, desynced combos, and juggles, all of which can be devastating. All of their aerials, barring down aerial, can all be used for combos out of down throw and the opponent's placement in air can make it difficult for them to escape from a combo once it has been started, especially if desynced. Finally, down throw is their best/strongest KOing throw, as it KOs middleweights at around 180%-190% with rage.
Despite all their strengths, the Ice Climbers have a few glaring flaws, mainly coming from the vulnerability of the partner Ice Climber and the loss of a few important tools between the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate''. While having decent damage output and KO potential, it becomes heavily diminished if the partner is KO'd, and the fact that the partner takes more damage and knockback further compounds this problem. When separated, the AI guides the partner back to the leader and the partner is unable to act and defend themselves from any threats. When the leader is grabbed by an opponent, the partner will act shocked or scared and cannot attack until the leader has escaped or been thrown, which makes previously near-guaranteed grab escapes no longer possible. The partner also has their own hidden percentage that racks up separately of the leader's and can make it easy for an opponent to KO them first. Because of this, it is important for the leader to hurry back to the partner in an attempt at defending them, though this can potentially lead the leader into dangerous situations as well. Their main recovery method, Belay, is also incredibly situational. If the partner is unable to reach the ledge, it can put the leader at a disadvantage, even if they make it back to the stage. Since the partner flings the leader much higher, it is possible to overshoot the ledge, leaving the leader unable to defend themselves while descending helplessly onstage. Should the CPU Ice Climber get KO'd during the stock, the remaining Ice Climber will have drastically reduced damage output, KO ability, and recovery, with Belay becoming practically useless and Squall Hammer losing a good deal of distance (whereas with both Ice Climbers they are excellent recovery moves).  


Although all their strengths are devastating, the Ice Climbers suffer from a series of a few glaring flaws, most of which primarily revolving from the vulnerability of the following climber and the loss of a few important tools between the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate''. The Ice Climbers are tied for being the [[weight|seventeenth-lightest]] characters in the game. Along with their floatiness, this makes them susceptible to early KOs, especially vertically. This is especially a burden considering the unique flaws within the partner. In turn, while having outstanding damage output and KO potential, it becomes heavily diminished if the partner is KO'd, and the fact that the partner sustains more damage and knockback further compounds this problem. [[Rage]] further worsens this, since opponents with high levels of rage can send them flying even father and/or earlier and separate the duo with less trouble, whereas the Ice Climbers' poor endurance prevents themselves from reaping full benefit from their own rage. When separated, the AI guides the partner back to the leader and the partner is unable to act and defend themselves from any threats. When the leader is grabbed by an opponent, the partner will act shocked or scared and cannot attack until the leader has escaped or been thrown, which makes previously near-guaranteed escapes from a grab no longer possible. The partner also has their own hidden percentage that racks up separately of the leader's and can make it easy for an opponent to KO them first. Because of this, it is important for the leader to hurry back to the partner in an attempt at defending them, though this can potentially lead the leader into dangerous situations as well.  
Outside of the issues of the partner Ice Climber, the duo's moveset comes with it's own problems. Barring their situational projectile from Ice Shot, the Ice Climbers have no reliable projectile and can be easily camped out or their projectiles turned against them. The range of their moves is not great—despite being disjointed, their hammers' range can still come up short and can make for some bad matchups, specifically against the likes of {{SSBU|Marth}} or {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, while Blizzard's range has been nerfed significantly and is dangerous to use liberally. Arguably, the changes that hurt the Ice Climbers most are the changes to grab mechanics in ''Ultimate''. The added period of grab intangibility between grabs and the partner's lack of a grab makes the Ice Climbers' previously most potent tool, chain grabbing, impossible. This significantly impedes their damage output compared to ''Brawl'' or ''Melee'' and no longer gives the Ice Climbers an almost guaranteed stock off of a single grab. Desyncing in itself can also have it's own drawbacks. An accidental desync off of up tilt or down throw may make it more difficult to follow-up with the duo's combos, or can even cause the partner's attack to miss entirely, hindering the duo's damage-racking capabilities. Desyncing can also leave the partner Ice Climber vulnerable because of the increase in reaction time between the leader and the partner; in particular, abilities such as [[dodging]], and jumping are significantly delayed, giving the opponent ample time to counterattack if properly read. Finally, the Ice Climbers suffer from being rather predictable and are forced to endure a severely poor disadvantage state. Because of their reliance on mid-air combos and some situational oddities, the general playstyle of the Ice Climbers can be easily picked apart and exploited early on in a match. In cases like this, it can be come difficult, if not impossible to return to neutral or even win trade offs without having to take serious risks.


In fact, the loss of the partner during the stock also brings several amount of considerable handicaps within the leader. Should the CPU-controlled Ice Climber get KO'd during the stock, the remaining Ice Climber will have drastically reduced damage output, KO ability, and recovery, with Belay becoming practically useless and Squall Hammer losing a good deal of distance (whereas with both Ice Climbers, both are excellent recovering moves), also known as "Sopo." Moreover, the remaining climber lacks the ability to fight nearly as effectively. As the Ice Climbers' attacks were designed to be two-in-one, the leader's attacks alone lack damage-racking ability, making it much harder to accumulate percentage on the opponent despite the power of their smash attacks and the damage-racking ability of [[Blizzard]]. The leading climber also lacks the access to desyncs, greatly reducing the threatening nature of their normal grabs. In return, the leader is left vulnerable to combos and setups off of throws due to their slow [[air speed|air]] and [[falling speed]]s.
Overall, the Ice Climbers are among the least beginner friendly characters on the roster, but offer amazing potential with practice. The inherent complexity of controlling two characters at once can be difficult to understand for new players, and combined with their low traction, somewhat situational moveset, and severe handicaps when the partner is lost are also considerable barriers of entry. However, learning the quirks of the pair, especially desynching, can open an incredibly potent and powerful game plan. This includes long and relatively free-form combos, many being zero-to-death options—some even being true—as well as other unique setups and mix-ups that very few characters have any proper answers for.
 
While covering considerable distance, the duo's [[recovery]] is also surprisingly situational. If the partner is unable to reach the ledge, it can put the leader at a disadvantage, even if they successfully make it back to the stage. Since the partner flings the leader at a much greater height, it is possible to overshoot the ledge, leaving the leader unable to defend themselves while descending on-stage during [[helplessness]] due to their floatiness. In addition, Belay can often inadvertently cost and/or endanger the following climber, as they can either be left vulnerable to edgeguarders or outright miss the ledge, leading into an unintentional [[self-destruct]], while Squall Hammer is predictable and can even be punished by attacks with low hitboxes, such as [[stall-then-fall]]s. Should the following Ice Climber get KO'd during the stock, the remaining Ice Climber's options to recovery are drastically [[nerf]]ed and limited to their double jump, directional [[air dodge]]s, Belay and Squall Hammer. Even then, these remaining options must be used with high precision: Belay must be used while nearing the ledge due to its minuscule distance, Squall Hammer only travels horizontally and stalls the leader's [[gravity]] with [[button mashing]], their directional air dodges can only be used once before landing, and the Ice Climbers' air dodges are among the slowest in the game, and their double jump must be used wisely depending on which direction the leading climber is launched off-stage. These drawbacks force the remaining Ice Climber to play extremely cautiously, as ending up off-stage without a partner can prove dangerous in the long run.
 
Another fatal flaw, however, is the Ice Climbers' awful approach. Because of the duo's poor mobility, speed demons (such as {{SSBU|Sonic}} and {{SSBU|Captain Falcon}}) or characters who can camp with projectiles can wall out the Ice Climbers (such as {{SSBU|Samus}} and {{SSBU|Ness}}). The Ice Climbers' lack of reliable burst options further amplifies these issues in these matchups. While [[Squall Hammer]] is considered the duo's best approaching option, the Ice Climbers are otherwise over-reliant on it, thus, and becomes more predictable overtime. In addition, characters with long [[disjointed hitbox]]es, such as {{SSBU|Ike}}, can outrange and wall out the Ice Climbers since their range are somewhat short relative to the cast. [[Ice Shot]]'s projectile provides a long lifetime and has excellent range, but has somewhat slow startup and can easily be [[reflection|reflected]] by even the weakest hits, and they lack other effective projectiles outside of Ice Shot. This requires conscientious usage to avoid punishment. Despite their great [[air acceleration]], the Ice Climbers' [[air speed]]s are also too slow for them to take advantage of it, hindering their aerial approach and recovery despite possessing high jumping heights.
 
Outside of the issues of the following Ice Climber, the duo's moveset comes with its own problems despite their high versatility. Barring their situational projectile from [[Ice Shot]], the Ice Climbers lack a reliable [[projectile]] and can be easily camped out or their projectiles turned against them, causing them to primarily struggle against zoners and/or campers, such as [[Simon (SSBU)|the]] [[Richter (SSBU)|Belmonts]] and {{SSBU|Pac-Man}}. Additionally, another notable flaw is their [[range]]—despite being [[disjoint]]ed, their hammers are among the shortest of any weapon in ''Ultimate'', meaning that characters with superior disjoints, like {{SSBU|Mr. Game & Watch}}, but more especially swordfighters, specifically against the likes of {{SSBU|Marth}} or {{SSBU|Sephiroth}}, can still easily outrange them, while Blizzard's range has been nerfed significantly and is dangerous to use liberally. Arguably, the changes that impair the Ice Climbers the most are the changes to grab-based mechanics in ''Ultimate''. The extra period of [[intangibility]] between grabs and the partner's lack of a grab makes the Ice Climbers' previously most potent tool, [[chain grab]]bing, impossible. This significantly impedes their damage output compared to ''Brawl'' or ''Melee'' and no longer gives the Ice Climbers an almost guaranteed stock off of a single grab. Desyncing, in itself, can also have its own drawbacks. An accidental desync off of up tilt or down throw has a chance make it more difficult to follow-up with the duo's combos, or can even cause the partner's attack to miss entirely, hindering the duo's damage-racking capabilities. Desyncing can also leave the following Cce Climber vulnerable because of the increase in reaction-time between the leader and the partner; in particular, abilities, such as [[dodging]] and jumping, are significantly delayed, giving the opponent ample time to counterattack if properly read. Finally, the Ice Climbers suffer from being rather predictable and are forced to endure a severely poor disadvantagouse state. Because of their reliance on mid-air combos and some situational oddities, the general playstyle of the Ice Climbers can be easily picked apart and exploited early on in a match. In cases like this, it can be come difficult, if not impossible to return to neutral or even win trade-offs without having to take serious risks.
 
Overall, the Ice Climbers among the least beginner-friendly characters on the roster, but offer amazing potential with practice. The inherent complexity of controlling two characters at once can be difficult to understand for new players, combined with their low traction, their somewhat situational moveset, and severe handicaps when the partner is lost are also considerable barriers of entry. However, their excellent [[out of shield]] options and the high versatility of their moveset, combined with the fact that learning the quirks of the pair, especially desynching, can open an incredibly potent and powerful game-plan almost completely compensates for all of that. This includes long and relatively free-form combos, many being zero-to-death options—some even being true—as well as other unique setups and mix-ups that only very few characters have any proper answers for. Overall, the Ice Climbers tend to run hot and cold. The duo can inflict an exceptional amount of damage onto the opponent once they gain the advantage, but doing so is challenging for them due to their poor approach. As such, the Ice Climbers function well with both a bait-and-punish and grappling playstyle, although being unprepared for an opponent's approach or playing too defensively can be hazardous due to their poor endurance. While the aforementioned strengths and weaknesses have led to a relatively small pool of players that main the Ice Climbers, those that do and put in the effort to learn their intricacies are frequently able to bulldoze their opponents better than almost the entire roster.


==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
==Changes from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
In previous installments, the Ice Climbers were considered to be among the best characters in the roster near the end of the metagames, considering their infamousness for possessing some of, if not, the most powerful damage-racking capabilities thanks to [[wobbling]] in ''Melee'' and infinite [[chain grab]]s in ''Brawl'', with these even allowing them to achieve a guaranteed-free KO or [[zero-to-death]] from them. Most likely owing to this, the Ice Climbers were drastically [[nerf]]ed in the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate''. However, their received [[buff]]s during the transition have brought a mixed bag. As such, the Ice Climbers received a massive plethora of buffs and nerfs during the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate'', but were noticeably nerfed.
The Ice Climbers were previously infamous for having some of (if not) the most powerful damage racking capabilities thanks to [[wobbling]] in ''Melee'' and infinite [[chain grab]]s in ''Brawl'', with these even allowing them to achieve a KO from them. Most likely owing to this, the Ice Climbers were drastically nerfed in the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate''.


Despite being substantially nerfed, the Ice Climbers have received plenty of noticeable buffs. The Ice Climbers' damage-racking capabilities and KO power have been improved, two of which were their previous prime strengths in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', as most of their moveset, including [[forward smash]], [[down smash]], and [[forward aerial]] have increased damage outputs while having proportional KO power as well. In addition, the duo's hammers have increased size, meaning their [[range]] is slightly better due to their [[disjointed hitbox]]es becoming larger to match the size of their hammers. As well, the Ice Climbers' other buffs lie in the increased utility of his moveset as a whole, with overall improved frame-data and KO power on their finishers. The first hits of their [[neutral attack]] can now [[jab lock]] and connect much better into the second hits (albeit at the cost of reduced damage output), while [[forward tilt]] and [[down tilt]] remain reasonably strong poking and KOing options. [[Up tilt]] has significaantly more [[combo]] ability due to the changes to [[hitstun canceling]], and [[dash attack]] is slightly faster and stronger to the point it can now KO off of top platforms near the top blast zones. While it can still [[cross-up]] shields, it can now also lead into various follow-ups, such as into [[up aerial]]. Their [[smash attack]]s are also much stronger and versatile punishing options due to their increased knockback scaling, despite the reductions to their damage outputs.
The Ice Climbers' grab game was significantly impacted the most; the partner climber can no longer grab the opponent or act when the leader is grabbed or throwing someone (except when in the air). This dramatically changes the way their combo game works, as it removes the Climbers' extremely powerful chain grabs they were capable of, instead forcing them to rely on [[desynching]] in order to combo the opponent. Moreover, the leader's grabs have noticeably more startup and ending lag, and much less range, now being the shortest grabs in the game.


The Ice Climbers' aerial game and [[edgeguarding]] ability have been comparatively improved. The universal reduction to [[landing lag]] has exponentially benefitted their aerials, which had among the highest landing lag in ''Brawl'' to being among the lowest in ''Ultimate'', likely even being lower than their [[L-canceling|L-canceled]] aerials in ''Melee''; their aerials are not only safer and more versatile, but now capable of leading into follow-ups or combos, with [[neutral aerial]] especially being a prime factor to desynced follow-ups. All of the Ice Climbers' aerial attacks have improved KOing ability, but their aerials have also received their own respective improvements: neutral aerial's stronger knockback makes it a passable [[gimp]]ing tool against recovering opponents and their increased [[traction]] makes it an excellent [[out of shield]] option. [[Forward aerial]]'s significantly stronger [[sourspot]]s now [[priority|out-prioritize]] the [[sweetspot]] while having much more KO power to compensate, allowing the leader to compensate for their lack of [[meteor smash]] more easily, while the removal of [[meteor canceling]] and [[tech]]ing for grounded meteor smashes improves the reliability and combo potential on-stage of the partner's sweetspotted forward aerial, respectively, especially considering its reduced landing lag. [[Back aerial]] is now effective for [[wall of pain|walls of pain]] in conjunction with [[reverse aerial rush]] due to the Ice Climbers' improved aerial mobility, while still retaining most of its strong KOing ability despite its reduced damage output. [[Up aerial]] is a significantly better [[juggling]] and KOing option due to its increased knockback growth and improved coverage, while [[down aerial]] has much more reliability to use as a safe landing option due to its drastically reduced landing lag and lengthened [[auto-canceling]] window, and its descent is noticeably slower, giving it much more safety for edgeguarding.  
Outside of this, the base damage output on many of their moves has decreased and many of their attacks connect less reliably when they are together due to reduced [[hitlag]]. The partner climber is also launched much easier than the leader due to taking increased damage and knockback from attacks, and the [[AI]]'s intelligence has been reduced leading to more likely self-destructs, making it harder for each of them to stay together. The partner climber also no longer performs [[Blizzard]] behind the leader when used on the ground, and the move itself is less effective as a spacing tool due to its lack of knockback at max range. Finally, due to changes in [[Belay]]'s hitboxes, the move can gain significantly less height if the hitbox is out prioritized, and its overall size is smaller, making it harder to connect against grounded opponents.


Two of the duo's moves (down smash and up aerial) have received changes to bring new strengths. [[Down smash]] now depicts each Ice Climber individually performing a hammer-sweep in specific directions, which gives it significantly more versatility in punishing characters who approaches them from behind (if both climbers are present) or more specifically, [[roll]]s. Although it maximum damage output has been effectively halved as it no longer possesses a pair of hits within each climber and is much more difficult to connect both hits, it has much stronger KOing potential to compensate. [[Up aerial]] provides much more efficient horizontal coverage (at the marginal expense of slightly less vertical coverage), making it much more viable at juggling and, due to its increased knockback growth, KOing. In addition, it can now hit grounded opponents more consistently.
However, the Ice Climbers have received some useful buffs. As with almost every other returning veteran, their mobility has been considerably increased and the partner climber is now faster than the leader, making it harder to separate them. Some of their moves, including forward smash, down smash, and forward aerial deal higher damage with proportional KO power. The Ice Climbers also have superior combo potential on their own due to the removal of [[hitstun canceling]], the weakening of [[SDI]], and [[desynching]] remaining mostly intact. Thanks to improved [[freezing]] properties, the Ice Climbers can also freeze opponents easier and longer, which can lead to high damage, KOs while edgeguarding, shield pressure, and follow-ups if performed correctly.


While their [[grab]] game has been drastically impaired, it has received a few notable benefits. Although the ranges and frame-data within their grabs have both been nerfed, the Ice Climber's grab still remains as among the fastest across the entire cast in ''Ultimate'', while dash grab now gives them a substaintial speed-boost and more horizontal momentum. The Ice Climber's [[pummel]] has became among the fastest in the entire game, allowing them to inflict impressive outputs of damage before throwing the opponent despite the loss of [[wobbling]]. As well, their throws have received major improvements. The introduction of [[rage]], combined with their collateral hitboxes now stacking knockback, allow their throws (sans [[back throw]]) to KO at very high precentages, [[forward throw]] and back throw are now useful for desyncs and initiating edgeguards, [[up throw]] has significantly improved combo ability and allows quick access to juggling via up aerials while it can KO more reliably near the top blast zones, while [[down throw]] remains a reasonably powerful tool for starting combos both desynced and synced, while its much stronger knockback allows it to KO at much higher precentages, giving the Ice Climbers access to new KOing options that were absent in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''.
Overall, the Ice Climbers are significantly less effective than in ''Brawl''. Their learning curve has become drastically more steep, as the removal of chaingrabbing and weakening of miscellaneous moves forces them to rely on desynching to perform at full capacity. Even with the changes to game mechanics and late game updates giving them multiple benefits, the Ice Climbers perform worse than in ''Brawl'', and are by far the most nerfed characters in the transition to ''Ultimate''.
 
However, the Ice Climbers have received several noteworthy nerfs that eclipse most of these aforementioned buffs as well, with their key factor of their [[neutral game]]—their [[grab]] game—being drastically impacted the most: the following Ice Climber no longer has the ability to grab the opponent or act controllably when the leader is grabbed or throwing an opponent (excluding when in the air), which makes previously near-guaranteed escapes out of grabs from ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' drastically more difficult, if not impossible. This dramatically changes the way their combo game works, as it removes the Climbers' extremely powerful [[chain grab]]s they were capable of, instead forcing them to be over-reliant on [[desynching]] in order to combo the opponent. Moreover, the leader's grabs have noticeably more startup and ending lag, and much less range, now being the shortest set of grabs in the game.
 
Outside of this, the majority of their moveset's base damage output has received reductions and their moves connect less consistently when the duo are together due to the reduction of [[hitlag]] in ''Ultimate'', making it much harder to accumulate the amount of damage the duo formally racked up in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' when combined with the removal of [[chain grab]]ing and [[wobbling]], two changes that hindered the Ice Climbers the most during the transition to ''Ultimate''. The following Ice Climber has also gained a damage/knockback multiplier of 1.02x, meaning that they are sent flying much easier and earlier than the leader due to sustaining increased damage and/or knockback from attacks, which makes the Ice Climbers' endurance noticeably worse. In addition, the [[AI]]'s intelligence has been worsened, leading to more likely unintentional [[self-destruct]]s, making it harder for each of them to stick together and rendering their most prominent flaw from previous installments—the infamous difficulty of maintaining both climbers during the current stock—drastically more prevalent and exploitable in ''Ultimate''. The following climber also no longer performs [[Blizzard]] behind the leader when performed on the ground, and the move itself is less effective as a [[spacing]] tool due to its lack of knockback at maximum proximity. Finally, due to the alterations in [[Belay]]'s hitboxes, the move can gain significantly less height if the hitbox is out-prioritized, and its overall size is smaller, making it harder to connect against grounded opponents.
 
Changes to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s gameplay mechanics both strengthen and impair the Ice Climbers. The universal growth to mobility has considerably improved the Ice Climbers' ability to approach and chase down opponents (especially on the ground), and the partner boasts superior mobility compared to the leader, making it more difficult to separate them. However, because their mobility still remains poor relative to the cast, their problems with camping and troublesome matchups against rushdowners from the previous incarnation remain. This is especially prominent exhibiting the increased prevalence of zoners and rushdowners. The Ice Climbers also have drastically superior combo potential on their own due to the changes to [[hitstun canceling]], the weakening of [[SDI]], and [[desynching]] remaining mostly intact. Thanks to improved [[freezing]] properties, the Ice Climbers can also freeze opponents easier and longer with [[Blizzard]], which can lead to high damage, KOs while edgeguarding, shield pressure, and follow-ups if performed correctly. The increased [[shieldstun]] and increased startup on shield grabbing notably benefits the Ice Climbers' safety on hit, due to their moveset's natural high damage and low ending lag, making them harder to shrug off and punish accordingly, while the duo themselves can still punish other characters' hits as easily due to their quick grabs and new access to excellent [[out of shield]] options, a weakness the duo suffered from in ''Brawl'' and ''Melee''. The reintroduction of directional [[air dodging]] has extended the effectiveness of the Ice Climbers' [[recovery]] should one be performed to reach the ledge, while the revamped air dodging mechanics have significantly improved their edgeguarding game effectively. On the other hand, the aforementioned changes have made their air dodges among the slowest in ''Ultimate'', rendering them more vulnerable to edgeguarding and juggling, as well as punishes should a single air dodge be performed carelessly. The extra period of [[intangibility]] between grabs and the partner's lack of a grab makes the Ice Climbers' previously most potent tool, [[chain grab]]bing, impossible. This significantly impedes their damage output compared to ''Brawl'' or ''Melee'' and no longer gives the Ice Climbers an almost guaranteed stock off of a single grab, thus, making the loss of chain grabbing the change that hindered the Ice Climbers the most. Moreover, the universal worsening of grabs' frame-data makes the Ice Climbers more open to punishment should the leader throw out one and miss, as their ending lag can prove more risk to land a grab. The removal of [[momentum canceling]] from ''Brawl'' has also notably affected the duo, as the Ice Climbers can take advantage of it to compensate their otherwise poor endurance. Finally, despite their numerous improvements, most of the Ice Climbers' former glaring flaws that impaired them in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'' still reprise in ''Ultimate'', namely the difficulty of maintaining both climbers during the current stock, severe handicaps when the partner is gone, poor endurance, slow mobility, sub-par reach and a high susceptibility to being camped, with some of them being further pronounced as well. To make matters worse, ''Ultimate'' also features several more viable swordfighters and zoners compared to previous games, both archetypes that the Ice Climbers still struggle against and amplifying the two lattermost issues.
 
Overall, the Ice Climbers are drastically less effective than in ''Brawl''. Their learning curve has become more steep, as the removal of chain grabbing and weakening of miscellaneous moves forces them to rely on desynching to perform at full capacity. While the Ice Climbers are by far the most nerfed characters in the transition to ''Ultimate'', their current standing on the tier list is still to be determinted due to retaining some of their key strengths, such as their disproportionate KO power and damage output, and their excellent combo and grab games in conjunction with desyncs. In addition, the changes to the game's mechanics and ''Ultimate''{{'}}s subsequent updates have handed the Ice Climbers a combination of favourable buffs and mitigated the nerfs' impacts, leading them to fare substantially better than they did during initial release. Overall, the Ice Climbers still remain as characters that should not be underestimated, especially when mastered, but fare substaintally worse than in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''.


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{{SSB4 to SSBU changelist|char=Ice Climbers}}


==Update history==
==Update history==
The Ice Climbers were initially perceived to be low-tier in the initial release of ''Ultimate''. As a result, the duo have been noticeably buffed overall, aside from various glitch fixes and a few minor nerfs. Update 2.0.0 improved the following Ice Climber's [[artificial intelligence]] in order to make them follow the leading climber more consistently and make it less likely for them to fall out of the leader's lineup, though at the cost of making [[desyncing]] harder to perform. Aside from this, [[Belay]]'s recovery potential was improved via its enlarged edge-grabbox.
The Ice Climbers received a mix of buffs, nerfs and glitch fixes via game updates, but have been buffed slightly overall. Update 2.0.0 improved the partner climber's AI in order to make them follow the leading climber more reliably, though at the cost of making [[desyncing]] harder to perform. Aside from this, [[Belay]]'s recovery potential was improved via its enlarged edge grabbox.


Following this, the Ice Climbers would not receive noteworthy changes until update 9.0.0. This update received reductions to the partner's damage/knockback multipliers, which made them less susceptible to being separated from the leader and leading into early KOs, improving their endurance. Belay was also improved noticeably, thanks to its [[tether recovery]] distance being lengthened and the leader no longer being inadvertently prevented from using it if the partner performed it. Aside from these improvements, a few of their moveset received quality-of-life buffs: dash attack has slightly more range and improved consistency, down smash's knockback was increased, and [[Squall Hammer]] will sweetspot edges earlier.
Following this, the Ice Climbers would not receive any noteworthy changes until update 9.0.0. This update decreased the partner's damage and knockback multipliers, which made them less susceptible to being separated from the leader. Belay was also improved noticeably, thanks to its [[tether recovery]] distance being lengthened and the leader no longer being inadvertently prevented from using it if the partner used it. Aside from these improvements, a few moves received quality-of-life buffs: dash attack has slightly more range and improved consistency, down smash's knockback was increased, and [[Squall Hammer]] will sweetspot edges earlier.


Lastly, update 13.0.1 granted the Ice Climbers a few decent buffs. Belay's start-up lag was decreased, which improved both its recovery potential and utility as a follow-up from up tilt. On a similar note, dash attack's overall lag was decreased, which made it safer and improved its utility for setting up aerial pressure. Lastly, down smash's knockback was increased yet again like in update 9.0.0, improving its usage as a burst KOing option even further.
Lastly, update 13.0.1 granted the Ice Climbers a few decent buffs. Belay's start-up lag was decreased, which improved both its recovery potential and utility as a follow-up from up tilt. On a similar note, dash attack's overall lag was decreased, which made it safer and improved its utility for setting up aerial pressure. Lastly, down smash's knockback was increased yet again like in update 9.0.0.


Overall, the Ice Climbers fare significantly better than they did at the launch of ''Ultimate''. The severe handicaps within the partner have been addressed, and their KO potential and combo ability have been improved, as well as their combos dealing more damage. When combined with desynching remaining as a prominent and staple tool for their combos, this makes their neutral game more dominating and makes their learning curve much less daunting and steep.
Overall, the Ice Climbers fare mildly better than they did at the launch of ''Ultimate''.


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==Moveset==
==Moveset==
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*Although the Ice Climbers have among the lowest [[traction]] in the game, their traction is completely unaffected by slippery [[terrain]], such as ice. On slippery conditions, their traction becomes among the highest in the game.
*Although the Ice Climbers have among the lowest [[traction]] in the game, their traction is completely unaffected by slippery [[terrain]], such as ice.
*The following Ice Climber will taunt whenever the leader throws an opponent.
*The partner Ice Climber will taunt whenever the leader throws an opponent.
**Additionally, when the leading Ice Climber is grabbed and/or thrown, the partner will panic.
**Additionally, when the leader Ice Climber is grabbed, the partner will panic.
''For a gallery of the Ice Climbers' hitboxes, see [[Ice Climbers (SSBU)/Hitboxes|here]].''
''For a gallery of the Ice Climbers' hitboxes, see [[Ice Climbers (SSBU)/Hitboxes|here]].''


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|neutral1dmg=leader: 2%<br/>partner: 1.5%
|neutral1dmg=leader: 2%<br/>partner: 1.5%
|neutral2dmg=leader: 3.5%<br/>partner 2.625%
|neutral2dmg=leader: 3.5%<br/>partner 2.625%
|neutraldesc=A pair of {{s|wikipedia|one-two combo}} hooks with their hammers. A great "get-off-me" tool that inflicts exceptional damage for a neutral attack with both Ice Climbers to boot. It is extremely quick due to coming out on frame 4, and both hits have somewhat low ending lag. These traits make it effective for [[jab cancel]]ing or as an [[out of shield]] option. Both hits can also [[jab lock]].
|neutraldesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally, and then vertically. A great "get off me" tool that does decent damage to boot.
|ftiltname=Side Strike ({{ja|横たたき|Yoko Tataki}})
|ftiltname=Side Strike ({{ja|横たたき|Yoko Tataki}})
|ftiltdmg=leader: 9%<br/>partner: 6.75%
|ftiltdmg=leader: 9%<br/>partner: 6.75%
|ftiltdesc=Throw a horizontal straight roundhouse swipe with their hammers. It is quick, due to coming out on frame 9, possessing low ending lag and can be angled. Due to its high knockback growth, it is able to KO middleweights at around 80%-90% at the edge of {{SSBU|Final Destination}}, with its incredible speed especially making it useful for burst KOing. Its impressive disjoint also makes it viable for [[spacing]]. This makes it a useful 2-framing and [[edgeguarding]] option when angled downwards.
|ftiltdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally. Has high knockback growth, being able to KO at around 80%-90% at the ledge on most characters.
|utiltname=Hammer Spin ({{ja|くるくるハンマー|Kurukuru Hanmā}}, ''Spinning Hammer'')
|utiltname=Hammer Spin ({{ja|くるくるハンマー|Kurukuru Hanmā}}, ''Spinning Hammer'')
|utiltdmg=leader: 0.8% (hits 1 - 6), 4% (hit 7)<br/>partner: 0.6% (hits 1 - 6), 3% (hit 7)
|utiltdmg=leader: 0.8% (hits 1 - 6), 4% (hit 7)<br/>partner: 0.6% (hits 1 - 6), 3% (hit 7)
|utiltdesc=Point their hammers straight up, then twirl them in circles over their heads in a {{s|wikipedia|buzzsaw}}-like manner. This creates a lingering hitbox that hits multiple times. Altogether, it deals excellent damage, making it useful for [[juggling]] and pressuring shields. It is an extremely versatile combo starter at low/medium percents, especially on fast-fallers, due to it coming out on frame 9 and possessing both low ending lag and disjointed range. It can follow up into a chain of [[up aerial]]s at low precents, while it can follow up into [[Belay]] for a guaranteed KO combo at higher precents, especially out of [[Blizzard]]. It also covers the sizable portion of both the hammers and the upper portion of the Ice Climbers' bodies, which can give him protection above him and allows it to have usage as an anti-air tool despite its rather poor range, especially horizontally. The latter pratically forces the Ice Climbers to stand next to a grounded opponent to land the move in succession.
|utiltdesc=The Ice Climbers twirl their hammers over their heads. This creates a lingering hitbox that hits multiple times. A useful combo starter that can begin a chain of up aerials.
|dtiltname=Shin Attack ({{ja|スネたたき|Sune Tataki}})
|dtiltname=Shin Attack ({{ja|スネたたき|Sune Tataki}})
|dtiltdmg=leader: 6%<br/>partner: 4.5%
|dtiltdmg=leader: 6%<br/>partner: 4.5%
|dtiltdesc=Sweep their hammers across the ground in front of themselves while [[crouching]]. A steep [[semi-spike]] that functions extremely well as both a poking option in neutral and edgeguarding option, thanks to its quick start-up, impressive range, and low ending lag. In addition, it can KO middleweights at around 140% near the edge of Final Destination, and hits low enough to [[shield stab]] opponents with tall hurtboxes. It is fairly spammable due to coming out on frame 8 and possessing minimal ending lag. When coupled with its [[tripping]] potential, and the fact that the Ice Climbers' crouch allows him to dodge several attacks with high hitboxes, it can be a very useful set-up option especially after a crouch.
|dtiltdesc=The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers across the ground in front of themselves. A steep semi-spike that functions very well as both a poking option in neutral and edgeguarding option, thanks to its quick startup, decent range, and low endlag.
|dashname=Dash Strike ({{ja|ダッシュたたき|Dasshu Tataki}})
|dashname=Dash Strike ({{ja|ダッシュたたき|Dasshu Tataki}})
|dashdmg=leader: 6%<br/>partner: 4.5%
|dashdmg=leader: 6%<br/>partner: 4.5%
|dashdesc=The Ice Climbers leap forward, lunging and ramming their hammers in front of themselves, similar to {{SSBU|Palutena}}'s [[dash attack]]. It has decent startup at frame 9 with a fairly long-lasting and disjointed hitbox, and deals vertical knockback to make it effective for initiating aerial pressure or aerial [[combo]]s. It can also lead into [[cross-up]]s against shielding opponents and can KO middleweights at around 190%/165% on top of the mid/top platforms on Final Destination with high levels of [[rage]], respectively. It also gives the Ice Climbers a substaintial speed-boost and covers good distance, making it reliable for approaching. While it can lead into cross-ups, it is punishable on shield due to its ending lag.
|dashdesc=The Ice Climbers leap forward, swinging their hammers in front of themselves. It deals mostly vertical knockback that can start combos, but has weak knockback and is ineffective for KOing.
|fsmashname=Stake Smash ({{ja|クイ打ち|Kui Uchi}})
|fsmashname=Stake Smash ({{ja|クイ打ち|Kui Uchi}})
|fsmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|12}}<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}}
|fsmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|12}}<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}}
|fsmashdesc=Based on their quintessential and original attack, the Hammer Slam, from ''Ice Climber''. The Ice Climbers lift their hammers up, them smash them straight down to the ground. The animation is visually comparable to {{SSBU|King Dedede}}'s [[forward smash]], albeit drastically quicker and lack shockwave-hitboxes. Due to becoming active at frame 11, it is disproportionately quick for a forward smash. It can be angled and the Ice Climbers slam their hammers at moderate distances,  giving it deceptively good range. Its clean hitbox also deals respectable damage and has extremely high knockback growth, which makes it a powerful and reliable KOing option. It is among the strongest forward smashes in ''Ultimate''. While near the edge of Final Destination, it KOs middleweights starting at around 70%. The late hitboxes share the amount of KO potential due to their knockback reminaing intact. However, the hitbox has a deceptively short duration compared to what it seems, and has noticeable ending lag (33 frames), making it unsafe on shield and punishable without wise usage. A powerful punishing option that is also capable of 2-framing reliably.
|fsmashdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers down in front of themselves similar to their original attack in ''Ice Climber''.
|usmashname=Icicle Crasher ({{ja|つらら割り|Tsurara Wari}})
|usmashname=Icicle Crasher ({{ja|つらら割り|Tsurara Wari}})
|usmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|11}} (hammer), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}} (body)<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|8.25}} (hammer), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|6.25}} (body)
|usmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|11}} (hammer), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9}} (body)<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|8.25}} (hammer), {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|6.25}} (body)
|usmashdesc=An overhead hammer-swing in a wide arc. It can hit behind the Ice Climbers, while its clean hitbox deals respectable damage and has extremely high knockback growth akin to forward smash, KOing middleweights at around 100% from anywhere on Final Destination. Has moderate startup and ending lag, coming out on frame 12 and possessing 32 frames of ending lag, which gives it decent [[interruptibility]]. Its impressive coverage and [[disjointed hitbox]]es make it useful as an out-of-shield or punishing tool against [[roll]]s or opponents with predictable landing options. Its late hitbox is noticeably weaker, but still boasts respectable KO power for an up smash, KOing middleweights at around 120% from anywhere on Final Destination.
|usmashdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers in an overhead arc. Useful for catching an opponent's landings.
|dsmashname=Hammer Sweep ({{ja|足もと打ち|Ashimoto Uchi}}, ''Leg Strike'')
|dsmashname=Hammer Sweep ({{ja|足もと打ち|Ashimoto Uchi}}, ''Leg Strike'')
|dsmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|13}}<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9.75}}
|dsmashdmg=leader: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|13}}<br/>partner: {{ChargedSmashDmgSSBU|9.75}}
|dsmashdesc=Each Ice Climber individually sweep their hammers across the ground in specific directions (the leader sweeps in front, while the partner sweeps behind at the corresponding direction). If the partner is absent, however, the remaining Ice Climber will sweep in only a single direction. If both Ice Climbers are included during the stock, it hits in front of and behind the Ice Climbers. While not as dominating as it was in ''Brawl'', it deals respectable damage and has extremely high knockback growth like their forward and up smashes. Due to hitting on frame 9, with the fastest startup among the duo's smash attacks, it is tied with {{SSBU|Toon Link}}, {{SSBU|Mii Gunner}}, {{SSBU|Mii Gunner}} and {{SSBU|Samus}}' down smashes for being the sixth-fastest smash attack of any kind in ''Ultimate''. It launches diagonally with above-average power, KOing middleweights under 90% from anywhere on Final Destination. Additionally, it is a reliable 2-framing option that is very useful for edgeguarding as a result, as well as punishing rolls or opponent who approach the duo from behind. Due to it possessing 24 frames of ending lag and hitting on frame 9, it has the fastest interruptibility among all of the Ice Climbers' smash attacks.
|dsmashdesc=The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers across the ground in a specific direction (the leader attacks in front, while the partner attacks behind). If the partner is absent, however, this move will only hit on one side.
|nairname=Climber Turn ({{ja|クライマーターン|Kuraimā Tān}})
|nairname=Climber Turn ({{ja|クライマーターン|Kuraimā Tān}})
|nairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5.25}}
|nairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|5.25}}
|nairdesc=Perform a horizontal somersaulting {{s|wikipedia|cartwheel}} with their hammers outstretched. Its minimal landing lag makes it a decent set-up option at low percents, especially for desyncs, or a tool for shield pressure when short hopped, while its high knockback growth makes it a decent anti-pressure and [[out of shield]] option. In addition, on Final Destination, it can KO middleweights under 185% at center stage and at around 150% at the ledge if hit cleanly. It has large hitboxes that cover most of the Ice Climbers' torsos, especially at the beginning, giving good protection and coverage around them. It can also edgeguard, combined with it having the second-lowest amount of ending lag out of the Ice Climbers' aerials. Due to the properties of the partner's neutral aerial it has the properties of a [[sex kick]]. It also [[auto-cancel]]s in a short hop, making it effective for combos at lower precents. Due to coming out on frame 6, it has the fastest startup of the Ice Climbers' aerials, although this also makes it slightly slower in comparison to other sex kicks with comparable properties.
|nairdesc=The Ice Climbers spin in place with their hammers outstretched.
|fairname=Hammer Slam ({{ja|ハンマードロップ|Hanmā Duroppu}}, ''Hammer Drop'')
|fairname=Hammer Slam ({{ja|ハンマードロップ|Hanmā Duroppu}}, ''Hammer Drop'')
|fairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (sweetspot), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}} (sourspot)
|fairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|12}} (sweetspot), {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}} (sourspot)
|fairdesc=Rear their hammers backward, then perform a straight-somersaulting slam with their hammers downward in a manner similar to their [[forward smash]]. Due to coming out on frame 19, it has the slowest startup of the Ice Climbers' aerials, as well as having the highest amount of ending lag of 36 frames. However, it has above-average knockback scaling and excellent damage output, making it one of the strongest forward aerials in ''Ultimate''. It deals enough knockback to KO middleweights at the center of Final Destination at around 130% and 35% earlier at the edge without [[rage]], making it fairly efficient for edgeguarding despite its short duration. Its low landing lag also allows it to be used as set-up options into other moves, especially if meteor smashing an opponent. A versatile aerial that is good for combos both synced and desynced and edgeguarding, it is capable of connecting into itself for a [[wall of pain]] or a 2-frame punish in certain instances. It can also be used as an out-of-shield option if the Ice Climbers are too far to hit the opponent with neutral aerial or up aerial instead. Auto-cancels in a full hop. The partner's hammer provides a [[sweetspot]] that can [[meteor smash]] opponents.
|fairdesc=They perform a somersaulting overhead swing of their hammers in a manner similar to their forward smash. The partner's hammer has a [[sweetspot]] that can [[meteor smash]] opponents.
|bairname=Reverse Strike ({{ja|ふりむきたたき|Furimuki Tataki}})
|bairname=Reverse Strike ({{ja|ふりむきたたき|Furimuki Tataki}})
|bairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|10}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.5}}
|bairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|10}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|7.5}}
|bairdesc=Perform a quick {{s|wikipedia|backfist}} with their hammers behind themselves. It quick startup lag, due to it coming out on frame 8. It can auto-cancel in a short hop and also deals the second-highest damage out of his aerials, and possesses excellent knockback growth, which make it a viable KOing option. While near the edge of Final Destination, its clean hitbox KOs middleweights at around 105-110%, which is around the same KO percentages of the Ice Climbers' forward aerial. It also boasts good range due to its disjointed hitbox and its animation makes it unpredictable, which makes it a viable edge-guarding and 2-framing option, and makes it effective for a wall of pain, as well as a good approaching option in conjunction with a [[reverse aerial rush]]. It can also [[stage spike]] with proper usage, making it especially deadly off-stage. Both hits are extremely safe on shield, with the secondary climber's hit being one of the few moves that is positive on shield.
|bairdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally behind themselves. Both hits are extremely safe on shield, with the secondary climber's hit being one of the few moves that is positive on shield.
|uairname=Overhead Sweep ({{ja|頭上はらい|Zujō Harai}})
|uairname=Overhead Sweep ({{ja|頭上はらい|Zujō Harai}})
|uairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6.75}}
|uairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|9}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6.75}}
|uairdesc=An overhead hammer-swing in a considerable arc. An excellent combo and juggling tool that can quickly rack up damage both desynced and synced, and can even function as a guaranteed KO confirm from [[down throw]] at around 70% on most characters. Comes out on frame 7, having the second-lowest startup of the Ice Climbers' aerials. It can also be used for continuing a combo due to its low landing lag. Can be used as an out-of-shield option if the opponent has a large enough hurtbox. Due to its impressive damage and knockback, it is the duo's strongest aerial, being powerful enough to KO middeweights at around 145% on Final Destination on grounded levels, making it a useful KO option after a full hop, or above platforms. It can auto-cancel in a [[short hop]] [[fast fall]], like their other aerials minus forward and down aerials.
|uairdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers above themselves in an arc. An excellent juggle tool that can quickly rack up damage both desynced and synced, and can even function as a KO confirm from down throw at around 70% on most characters.
|dairname=Hammer Swoop ({{ja|急降下ハンマー|Kyūkōka Hanmā}})
|dairname=Hammer Swoop ({{ja|急降下ハンマー|Kyūkōka Hanmā}})
|dairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}}
|dairdmg=leader: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|8}}<br/>partner: {{ShortHopDmgSSBU|6}}
|dairdesc=Hold their hammers below themselves and perform a {{s|wikipedia|double axe handle}} with them while falling downward. A [[stall-then-fall]], though with a slower traveling speed than comparable attacks of its kind (it has the slowest falling momentum speed among all other stall-then-falls in ''Ultimate''). Additionally, it is unable to [[meteor smash]] at all, unlike most attacks of its kind. The hitbox covers most of the Ice Climbers' underside, making it good for punishing opponents who attempt to juggle. It can be effectively used out of a short hop to attack opponents directly in front of the Ice Climbers, especially out of shield. While it can potentially cause the Ice Climbers to [[self-destruct]] while using it off-stage, their effective [[recovery]], coupled with it having the lowest ending lag of the Ice Climbers' aerials and the move traveling slower than the other stall-then-falls makes this unlikely. The partner's down aerial is a steep [[semi-spike]] that can KO middleweights at around 165% at the center of Final Destination. While having a rather good auto-canceling window (being able to auto-cancel out of a full hop), and being good for edgeguarding, its usage offstage is only serviceable against characters with slow/linear or exploitable recoveries, as the leader's down aerial only starts KOing middleweights at around 185% on Final Destination at grounded levels with high [[rage]]. As a result, it typically has usage as a niche landing or out-of-shield option.
|dairdesc=The Ice Climbers hold their hammers below themselves and fall downward. A [[stall-then-fall]], though with a slower traveling speed than similar attacks of its kind; additionally, it is unable to [[meteor smash]] at all, unlike most attacks of its kind. The hitbox covers most of the Ice Climber's body, making it good for punishing opponents who attempt to juggle. As a result, it is usually used as a niche landing option.
|grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}})
|grabname=Grab ({{ja|つかみ|Tsukami}})
|grabdesc=The leader reaches in front of themselves with their free hand. The leader's grabs have the shortest grabbing range in ''Ultimate'', but are among the fastest in the game. In addition, due to tying with {{SSBU|Mr. Game & Watch}} and {{SSBU|Mii Gunner}} for having the second-shortest pivot dash, and their dash grab giving them a substantial speed-boost and long horizontal momentum, their dash and pivot grabs are especially effective. In addition, the duo's grabs are very rewarding due to the utility of the Ice Climbers' throws and [[desynching]].
|grabdesc=The leader reaches in front of themselves with their free hand. The leader's grab range is the shortest in the game.
|pummelname=Grab Headbutt ({{ja|つかみ頭突き|Tsukami Zutsuki}})
|pummelname=Grab Headbutt ({{ja|つかみ頭突き|Tsukami Zutsuki}})
|pummeldmg=1%
|pummeldmg=1%
|pummeldesc=A headbutt. The partner takes no action at all. It inflicts average damage, but is among the fastest pummels in the game, with its speed being comparable to {{SSBU|Kirby}} and {{SSBU|Sheik}}'s pummels.
|pummeldesc=A headbutt. The partner takes no action at all.
|fthrowname=Hockey Shot ({{ja|ホッケーショット|Hokkē Shotto}})
|fthrowname=Hockey Shot ({{ja|ホッケーショット|Hokkē Shotto}})
|fthrowdmg=3% (hit), 5% (throw)
|fthrowdmg=3% (hit), 5% (throw)
|fthrowdesc=A {{s|wikipedia|hockey shot}}. Its moderately high base knockback makes it a viable option for [[tech-chasing]] and forcing the opponent off-stage to start edge-guards. If desynced, the partner can follow-up with a [[forward aerial]] or forward smash during forward throw's animation for a guaranteed KO confirm. It also has decent knockback growth, allowing it to KO middleweights at about 192% by the edge of Final Destination with high rage.
|fthrowdesc=The leader knocks the opponent away with their hammer.
|bthrowname=Snowy Mountain Throw ({{ja|雪山投げ|Yukiyama Nage}})
|bthrowname=Snowy Mountain Throw ({{ja|雪山投げ|Yukiyama Nage}})
|bthrowdmg=6%
|bthrowdmg=6%
|bthrowdesc=The leader heaves the opponent behind themselves in an arc, bouncing them off the ground. Its high base knockback allows it to set up edgeguards, while its somewhat low ending lag makes it versatile for combos both synced and desynced. However, its high launching angle prevents it from having true follow-ups or forcing the opponent off-stage at a unfavorable position at all, while its high base knockback prevents it from leading into true KO confirms at higher precents. Additionally, due to its low knockback growth, minimal damage output, combined with it launching at a very high angle, it lacks notable KO potential, not KOing at all until well past 500% even with unoptimal [[DI]].
|bthrowdesc=The leader throws the opponent behind themselves.
|uthrowname=Grab Icicle Crasher ({{ja|つかみつらら割り|Tsukami Tsurara Wari}})
|uthrowname=Grab Icicle Crasher ({{ja|つかみつらら割り|Tsukami Tsurara Wari}})
|uthrowdmg=3% (hit), 5% (throw)
|uthrowdmg=3% (hit), 5% (throw)
|uthrowdesc=The leader heaves the opponent overhead before swinging their hammer overhead in an arc, bashing them and launching them upward. It has the second-highest base knockback of all up throws at the expense of having weakest knockback growth among all up throws in ''Ultimate''. Although lacks much versatility compared to down throw in terms of follow-up potential, it is useful for comboing and quick air-to-ground transitions, leading to up aerial and rarely neutral aerial at 0% to medium precents, and Belay at around high precents for KO combos. It also leads to access of juggling with chains of up aerials, and can KO at extremely high precents near the upper blast zone.
|uthrowdesc=The leader tosses the opponent upward and hits them with their hammer. It has the second highest base knockback of any up throw, but the weakest knockback growth, rendering it incapable at KOing, even at very high percents.
|dthrowname=Avalanche Crusher ({{ja|なだれつぶし|Nadare Tsubushi}})
|dthrowname=Avalanche Crusher ({{ja|なだれつぶし|Nadare Tsubushi}})
|dthrowdmg=6%
|dthrowdmg=6%
|dthrowdesc=A {{s|wikipedia|powerbomb}}. Due to its high knockback growth, it has the highest KO potential out of the Ice Climbers' throws, as it KOs middleweights at around 185% on Final Destination with rage. However, it deals the lowest base knockback among the duo's throws, which makes KO attempts with it best suited for later instead of earlier. It is also excellent for starting or extending combos, especially when desynced or synced. It can lead into neutral aerial from 0% to low precents, or Belay or up aerial at high precents for guaranteed KO combos. It can also lead into a chain of up aerials for [[juggling]] or racking up damage early. Due to these collective factors, this throw is considered among the best factors of the Ice Climbers' grab game.
|dthrowdesc=The leader lifts the opponent over their head with both hands and slams them on the ground. The Ice Climbers' only throw with KO potential, it can KO middleweights at around 214% on Final Destination. It is also effective for starting combos, especially when desynced.
|floorfname=&nbsp;
|floorfname=&nbsp;
|floorfdmg=leader: 7%<br/>partner: 5.25%
|floorfdmg=leader: 7%<br/>partner: 5.25%
|floorfdesc=The Ice Climbers spin 360°, thrusting their hammers around themselves while getting up.
|floorfdesc=The Ice Climbers swing their hammers around themselves as they get up.
|floorbname=&nbsp;
|floorbname=&nbsp;
|floorbdmg=leader: 7%<br/>partner: 5.25%
|floorbdmg=leader: 7%<br/>partner: 5.25%
|floorbdesc=The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers in quick arcs from back to forth while getting up.
|floorbdesc=Same as the frontal floor attack.
|floortname=&nbsp;
|floortname=&nbsp;
|floortdmg=leader: 5%<br/>partner: 3.75%
|floortdmg=leader: 5%<br/>partner: 3.75%
|floortdesc=The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers in a straight line while getting up in a similar manner to their [[floor attack|back floor attack]].
|floortdesc=Gets up and spins around, hitting with their hammers.
|edgename=&nbsp;
|edgename=&nbsp;
|edgedmg=leader: 8%<br/>partner: 6%
|edgedmg=leader: 8%<br/>partner: 6%
|edgedesc=The Ice Climbers climb up and slam their hammers in front of themselves in a straight line.
|edgedesc=The Ice Climbers climb up and slam their hammers in front of themselves.
|nsname=Ice Shot
|nsname=Ice Shot
|nsdmg=3.5-2.2% (ice chunks), 3.5% (hammers)
|nsdmg=3.5-2.2% (ice chunks), 3.5% (hammers)
|nsdesc=Each Ice Climber summon a small stalagmite of ice and knock it straight-forward with their hammer, causing it to slide along the ground, gradually shrinking as it travels. It bounces off walls and shields. The ice can freeze the opponents at high percents. Unlike most projectiles, the ice functions more like a [[container]] or [[soccer ball]] in that the incoming projectile is completely stop, allowing the Ice Climbers to counter most projectile-spamming playstyles more easily. At extremely high percents, it can also freeze opponents, allowing the usage of setups or reads. It stuns the opponent long enough to make it viable for edgeguarding or gimping vulnerable recoveries. However, similar to {{SSBU|King Dedede}}'s [[Gordo Throw]], the ice can easily be [[reflection|reflected]] with an attack that deals damage. If done so, the projectile's ownership will change, allowing it to harm the Ice Climbers if collided with. The first midair usage will pop the Ice Climbers up slightly.
|nsdesc=Each Ice Climber summons a small stalagmite of ice and hits it with their hammer, causing it to slide along the ground, gradually shrinking as it travels. It bounces off walls and shields. If attacked by an opponent, the ice rebound and will hurt the Ice Climbers if they touch it. The ice can freeze opponents at high percents. The first midair use will pop the Ice Climbers up slightly.
|ssname=Squall Hammer
|ssname=Squall Hammer
|ssdmg=both: 2.2% (loop), 4% (last)<br/>leader: 1.3% (loop), 2% (last)<br/>partner: 0.975% (loop), 1.5% (last)
|ssdmg=both: 2.2% (loop), 4% (last)<br/>leader: 1.3% (loop), 2% (last)<br/>partner: 0.975% (loop), 1.5% (last)
|ssdesc=The Ice Climbers stand back-to-back while spinning around an axis with their hammers outstretched, hitting opponents multiple times. The attack is concluded with them ramming their hammers upward, which launches the opponents upward. By repeatedly tapping the special input, the Ice Climbers will rise in the air, allowing them to [[recovery|recover]]. This, however, also renders them [[helpless]] after Squall Hammer's performance. If only a solo-climber is present, the move inflicts less damage and reduced knockback, and gains less height. However, Solo Squall Hammer stalls the remaining Ice Climber's [[gravity]] with excessive [[button mashing]]. Squall Hammer is a prime key factor as a method to begin desyncs, and can trap opponents between each Ice Climber once a desync is achieved. Similar to {{SSBU|Bowser Jr.}}'s [[Clown Kart Dash]], it covers impressive horizontal distance in a short and quick amount of time (covering nearly the full length of Final Destination), allowing them to alleviate their poor approach and overall sluggish movement, especially in the air. The final hit is strong enough to KO middleweights at around 159% near the top blast zones on Final Destination without rage. As a result of these collective factors, Squall Hammer is one of the duo's most versatile tools in their kit.
|ssdesc=The Ice Climbers stand back-to-back while spinning around an axis with their hammers outstretched, hitting opponents multiple times. The attack is concluded with them swinging their hammers upward, which launches opponents away. By repeatedly tapping the special move button, the Ice Climbers will rise in the air, allowing them to recover. This, however, also renders them [[helpless]]. If only one Climber is present, the move deals less damage and reduced knockback, and gains less height. Squall Hammer is usually used as a method to begin desyncs, and can trap opponents between each Ice Climber once a desync is achieved.
|usname=Belay
|usname=Belay
|usdmg=16% (partner)
|usdmg=16% (partner)
|usdesc=The leading Ice Climber flings the partner the air with a rope at a considerable height, slamming into opponents during the process. After covering enough distance, the partner pulls the leader upwards at an even greater distance. If nearing a [[ledge]], the partner will immediately target it, and then proceed to pull the leader to the ledge as well. During the entire duration of Belay, the partner has an [[invincibility]]frame -window upon startup and the period the hitbox is out until it dissipates, allowing for a safe [[recovery]] for both Ice Climbers. This also lets the Ice Climbers perform a pseudo-[[counterattack]] against almost all attacks that hit the Ice Climbers during startup, which makes it good for interrupting aerial approaches or attacks. The raduis of the tether grabbox is also Additionally, the following Ice Climber possesses a hitbox that deals powerful vertical knockback and high damage, dealing enough knockback to KO grounded middleweights at 140% on Final Destination, though it is rather difficult to use as a combo finisher due to the difficulty of aiming the partner. Without a partner, the move will grant essentially no distance. In addition, if the partner collides with an opponent or the hitbox gets [[priority|out-prioritized]], Belay's distance will reduce, similar to [[PK Thunder 2]]. Each Ice Climber becomes [[helpless]] after Belay's usage.
|usdesc=The leading Ice Climber throws the partner the air with a rope. The partner then pulls the leader upwards. If there is a nearby edge, the partner will target it, and then proceed to pull the leader to the ledge as well. While rising, the partner is invincible, allowing for a safe recovery for both Ice Climbers; additionally, the partner Ice Climber possesses a hitbox that deals powerful vertical knockback, though it is rather difficult to use as a combo finisher due to the difficulty of aiming the partner. Without a partner, the move will grant essentially no distance. Each Ice Climber becomes [[helpless]] after the move is used.
|dsname=Blizzard
|dsname=Blizzard
|dsdmg=both: 1% (far loop), 1.8% (close loop)
|dsdmg=both: 1% (far loop), 1.8% (close loop)
|dsdesc=The Ice Climbers blow a stream of frigid/cold air from their palms in front of themselves, potentially freezing opponents. If using Blizzard on an already frozen opponent, they will remain frozen for a longer duration. If both Ice Climbers are present, this move can deal a maximum of 31.5%. As the name implies, it freezes opponents in their tracks, making it reliable for set-ups and follow-ups, and deals significant amounts of damage at point-blank proximity. Using the attack while an opponent is already frozen increases the freeze-time slightly and can allow the duo to make space between them and their opponent if need be, or tack on extra damage while frozen. Specifically, this move is very useful when near the ledge, as freezing an opponent near the edges of a stage can make it easy to nudge them off and near the lower blast zone without any means to escape, making it especially deadly in ledge-trapping and edgeguarding. It also has [[priority]] over some other projectiles and can cancel them if the two collide.
|dsdesc=The Ice Climbers blow a gust of cold air in front of themselves, potentially freezing opponents. If used on an already frozen opponent, they will remain frozen for slightly longer. With both Ice Climbers present, this move can deal a maximum of 31.5%, though it is also a risky move due to its duration.
|fsname=Iceberg
|fsname=Iceberg
|fsdmg=13% (peak, rising), 11%/9%/7% (iceberg), 16% (Polar Bear), 5% (Condor)
|fsdmg=13% (peak, rising), 11%/9%/7% (iceberg), 16% (Polar Bear), 5% (Condor)
|fsdesc=The Ice Climbers {{s|wikipedia|high-five}} each other and raise their arms up, summoning a rotating and giant iceberg to rise up from the center of the stage. If only a single Ice Climber initiates the Final Smash, the leading Ice Climber spins, lifts their hammer up while raising it. For the duration of the Final Smash, it can be directed left and right. The range of how far it can move is shown by the mist. The iceberg deals damage to opponents who touch it: the closer they are towards the peak, the more damage they receive. Towards the base of the iceberg is a Polar Bear, which has high launching power. A [[Condor]] also appears, flying above, which the Ice Climbers can grab onto. This allows the iceberg to be more easily controlled without worry of self destruction, although the partner will be at risk of potentially being pushed offstage if they fail to grab it. Upon ending, the iceberg will lower itself, and the Condor will fly off to the side of the stage.
|fsdesc=The Ice Climbers summon a rotating iceberg to rise up from the center of the stage. For the duration of the Final Smash, it can be moved left and right. The range of how far it can move is shown by the mist. The iceberg deals damage to opponents who touch it: the closer they are towards the top, the more damage they take. Towards the base of the iceberg is a Polar Bear, which has high launching power. A Condor also appears, flying above, which the Ice Climbers can grab onto. This allows the iceberg to be more easily controlled without worry of self destruction, although the partner will be at risk of potentially being pushed offstage if they fail to grab it. Upon ending, the iceberg will lower itself, and the Condor will fly off to the side of the stage.
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===[[On-screen appearance]]===
===[[On-screen appearance]]===
*The [[Condor]] flies in with the Ice Climbers hanging off its feet. Upon reaching the foreground, the duo then jump off while [[wikipedia:High five|high-fiving]] each other, and the Condor flies off the stage.
*The Condor flies in with them hanging off its feet. They then jump off while [[wikipedia:High five|high fiving]] each other, and the Condor flies off.
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===[[Taunt]]s===
===[[Taunt]]s===
*'''Up taunt''': The duo set down their hammers and jump excitedly and victoriously once. Originates from their victory animation during the results screen in the ''Ice Climber'' NES game, albeit without the flag.
*'''Up taunt''': They set down their hammers and jump up and down once. This is their victory animation during the results screen in ''Ice Climber''.
*'''Side taunt''': The duo point their hammers diagonally upward and shout "Yup!" in triumph, as the wind blows behind them. Similar to {{SSBU|Ness}}' [[side taunt]], as well as how {{s|wikipedia|baseball players}} perform it, indicating they are hitting a home-run.
*'''Side taunt''': They point their hammers diagonally upward and shout "Yup!", as the wind blows behind them.
*'''Down taunt''': The duo dance playfully in a circle, similar to {{SSBU|King Dedede}}'s [[down taunt]].
*'''Down taunt''': They dance in a circle.
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SSBUIceClimbersTaunt1.gif|Ice Climbers' up taunt.
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===[[Idle pose]]s===
===[[Idle pose]]s===
*The Ice Climbers twirl their hammers.
*Both twirl their hammers.
*Each Ice Climber look behind themselves curiously.
*Popo looks backward curiously.
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SSBUIceClimbersIdle1.gif|Ice Climbers' first idle pose
SSBUIceClimbersIdle1.gif|Ice Climbers' first idle pose.
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SSBUIceClimbersIdle2.gif|Ice Climbers' second idle pose.
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===[[Victory pose]]s===
===[[Victory pose]]s===
*'''Left:''' The Ice Climbers perform a series of indefinite and victorious jumps with joy. Based on their victory animation during the results screen in the ''Ice Climber'' NES game, similar to their up taunt.
*'''Left:''' Both jump up and down infinitely. Based on their victory animation in ''Ice Climber'', similar to their up taunt.
*'''Up:''' Both nod and high-five one another, with Popo chanting "Yup!" before facing the camera while smiling.
*'''Up:''' Both nod and high-five one another before facing the camera.
*'''Right:''' Nana hides behind Popo, only showing her face as Popo shifts from left to right while his arms are positioned next to his hips.
*'''Right:''' Nana hides behind Popo, only showing her face as Popo shifts from left to right.
[[File:IceClimbersVictoryThemeUltimate.ogg|thumb|A flourished remix directly from ''Brawl''. It is the second half of the track that plays when [[Ice Climbers|Popo or Nana]] grab the feet of the [[Condor]] at the end of a bonus stage in ''{{b|Ice Climber|game}}''.]]
[[File:IceClimbersVictoryThemeUltimate.ogg|thumb|The second half of the track that plays when [[Ice Climbers|Popo or Nana]] grab the feet of the [[Condor]] at the end of a bonus stage in ''{{b|Ice Climber|game}}''.]]
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Prior to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, players were quick to notify that the Ice Climbers lost their most devastating attributes from ''Brawl'' and ''Melee'': their infamous [[zero-to-death]] [[chain grab]]bing and [[wobbling]], respectively. When combined with the changes to gameplay-based mechanics during the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate'' that either heavily impaired or altogether removed several of their infamous tactics, this caused players to believe that the Ice Climbers wouldn't be viable, a belief that held on throughout the early metagame.
Prior to ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, players were quick to notify that the Ice Climbers lost their most devastating attributes from ''Brawl'' and ''Melee'': their infamous [[zero-to-death]] [[chain grab]]bing and [[wobbling]], respectively. When combined with the changes to gameplay-based mechanics during the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''Ultimate'' that either heavily impaired or altogether removed several of their infamous tactics, this caused players to believe that the Ice Climbers wouldn't be viable, a belief that held on throughout the early metagame.


Upon ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, the Ice Climbers' competitive perception, which was estimated to be poor, has dwindled even further and, in turn for worse, became more problematic than most would think. Several of the cast have immediately acknowledged their retained weakness (which have also been more pronounced): the infamous difficulty of maintaining both climbers in a single stock, the partner's vulnerability, their steep learning curve, poor endurance, slow aerial mobility, their vulnerability to [[camping]] and the severe handicaps brought to the leader if the partner dies during the stock, as well as the removal of several quirky combos and zero-to-deaths involving the partner from previous installments. As such, the Ice Climbers’ representation was minuscule, and all the players who mained the duo in ''Brawl'' have completely dropped them in favour of other characters. As a result, the general consensus have widely perceived them to be either low or bottom-tier.
Upon ''Ultimate''{{'}}s release, the Ice Climbers' competitive perception, which was estimated to be poor, has dwindled even further and, in turn for worse, became more significant than most would think. Several of the cast have immediately acknowledged their retained weakness (which have also been more pronounced): the infamous difficulty of maintaining both climbers in a single stock, the partner's vulnerability, their steep learning curve, poor endurance, slow aerial mobility, their vulnerability to [[camping]] and the severe handicaps brought to the leader if the partner dies during the stock, as well as the removal of several quirky combos and zero-to-deaths involving the partner from previous installments. As such, the Ice Climbers’ representation was minuscule, and all the players who mained the duo in ''Brawl'' have completely dropped them in favour of other characters. As a result, the general consensus have widely perceived them to be either low or bottom-tier.


A few months after release, the duo's playerbase and competitive scene started to make surprising breakthroughs: with the few that stuck with them discovering new [[desynching]] setup and damaging combos, as well as new versatile zero-to-deaths off of desyncs. In turn, players such as {{Sm|Big D}}, {{Sm|Kie}}, {{Sm|murasat}}, {{Sm|Daiki}} and {{Sm|????}} have picked up the duo, received excellent results in tournaments using the character; the former, in particular, have mastered the duo enough to the point that the Ice Climbers can beat almost every match-up across the board once their desynced zero-to-deaths has been pulled off out of a [[grab]]. As a result, the Ice Climbers' improving results have gradually improved the community's perception on the duo, with the general consensus believing that the Ice Climbers are either upper mid-tier or high-tier at least, like in their days of ''Melee'', which is a notable improvement compared to their initial low-tier status. Overall, the Ice Climbers remain as characters that should not be underestimated, although not to the extent of ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', ranking 56th on the first and current tier list.
A few months after release, the duo's playerbase and competitive scene started to make surprising breakthroughs: with the few that stuck with them discovering new [[desynching]] setup and damaging combos, as well as new versatile zero-to-deaths off of desyncs. In turn, players such as {{Sm|Big D}}, {{Sm|Kie}}, {{Sm|murasat}}, {{Sm|Daiki}} and {{Sm|????}} have picked up the duo, received excellent results in tournaments using the character; the former, in particular, have mastered the duo enough to the point that the Ice Climbers can beat almost every match-up across the board once their desynced zero-to-deaths has been pulled off out of a [[grab]]. As a result, the Ice Climbers' improving results have gradually improved the community's perception on the duo, with the general consensus believing that the Ice Climbers are either upper mid-tier or high-tier at least, like in their days of ''Melee'', which is a notable improvement compared to their initial low-tier status. Overall, the Ice Climbers remain as characters that should not be underestimated, although not to the extent of ''Melee'' and ''Brawl'', ranking 56th on the first and current tier list.
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=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Duos for Days==
=={{SSBU|Classic Mode}}: Duos for Days==
[[File:SSBU Congratulations Ice Climbers.png|thumb|Ice Climbers' congratulations screen.]]
[[File:SSBU Congratulations Ice Climbers.png|thumb|Ice Climbers' congratulations screen.]]
Referencing themselves being duos and as the name implies, Ice Climbers fight a pair of certain iconic characters from a given universe in each stage. To go with the dual theme, both {{SSBU|Master Hand}} and {{SSBU|Crazy Hand}} are fought regardless of the difficulty.
Referencing themselves being duos, Ice Climbers fight two characters from a given universe in each stage. To go with the duo theme, both {{SSBU|Master Hand}} and {{SSBU|Crazy Hand}} are fought regardless of the difficulty.


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==Role in [[World of Light]]==
==Role in [[World of Light]]==
[[File:WoL-15IceClimbers.jpg|thumb|Finding the Ice Climbers in World of Light|left]]
[[File:WoL-15IceClimbers.jpg|thumb|Finding the Ice Climbers in World of Light|left]]
Although the Ice Climbers are absent from World of Light's opening cutscene nor were they among the fighters summoned to the cliffside to assist in defeating an army of Master Hands, the duo were vaporized and both later placed under [[Galeem]]'s imprisonment alongside the rest of the fighters (excluding {{SSBU|Kirby}}) when Galeem unleashed his beams of light and engulfed the universe in his image.
Although the Ice Climbers are absent from the World of Light opening cutscene, they were vaporized and later imprisoned alongside the rest of the fighters (sans {{SSBU|Kirby}}) when [[Galeem]] unleashed his beams of light.


By taking the north-eastern route of the village where {{SSBU|Lucas}} is unlocked, the Ice Climbers are unlocked in the southern portion of the frozen mountain. Unlocking them eliminates the icy paths so they can be traversed in both directions, as well as opening a path to the hidden forest, making them one of the obligatory characters who must be unlocked to complete the mode.
The Ice Climbers are unlocked in the southern portion of the snowy mountain area. Unlocking them eliminates the ice paths so they can be traversed in both directions, as well as opening a path to the hidden forest.
 
Later on, the fighters make their last stand against Galeem and [[Dharkon]], with the Ice Climbers among them.
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==[[Spirit]]==
==[[Spirit]]==
The Ice Climbers' fighter spirit can be obtained by completing {{SSBU|Classic Mode}}. It is also available periodically for purchase in the shop for 300 Gold, but only after Ice Climbers have been unlocked. Unlocking the Ice Climbers in World of Light allows the player to preview the spirit below in the Spirit List under the name "???". As a fighter spirit, it cannot be used in Spirit Battles and is purely aesthetic. Their fighter spirit has an alternate version that replaces it with their artwork in ''Ultimate''.
The Ice Climbers' fighter spirit can be obtained by completing {{SSBU|Classic Mode}}. It is also available periodically for purchase in the shop for 300 Gold, but only after Ice Climbers have been unlocked. Unlocking the Ice Climbers in World of Light allows the player to preview the spirit below in the Spirit List under the name "???". As a fighter spirit, it cannot be used in Spirit Battles and is purely aesthetic. Their fighter spirit has an alternate version that replaces it with their artwork in ''Ultimate''.
Additionally, the eggplant that used to represent the ''Ice Climbers'' series as its emblem, the first vegetable to appear in the game, appears as a support spirit.


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SSBU spirit Ice Climbers.png|606. '''''Ice Climbers'''''
SSBU spirit Ice Climbers.png|606. '''''Ice Climbers'''''
SSBU spirit Eggplant.png|609. Eggplant
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==Trivia==
==Trivia==
*The Ice Climbers and {{SSBU|R.O.B.}} are the only fighters that cannot receive a series bonus, since they lack primary spirits from their own series.
*One of the Ice Climbers' preview pictures shows them using [[Blizzard]] against a {{b|Metroid|creature}}, referencing the species' weakness to cold in the ''Metroid'' series.
**Prior to the update 10.1.0, {{SSBU|Cloud}} also shared this distinction.
*When the lead climber is grabbing and pummeling an opponent, the partner's animation will lag for every pummel hit.
*One of the Ice Climbers' preview pictures depict them using [[Blizzard]] against a {{b|Metroid|creature}}, referencing the species' weakness to cold in the ''Metroid'' series.
*When the leading climber is grabbing and pummeling an opponent, the partner's animation will lag for every pummel-hit.
*Hitting the accompanying Ice Climber will not cause [[controller]]s to shake if the vibration setting is turned on. This applies to everything from normal attacks, [[throws]], or [[Final Smash]]es.
*Hitting the accompanying Ice Climber will not cause [[controller]]s to shake if the vibration setting is turned on. This applies to everything from normal attacks, [[throws]], or [[Final Smash]]es.
*When played on the world-map for World of Light, only the leading Ice Climber appears.
*When played on the world map for World of Light, only the leading Ice Climber appears.
*The Ice Climbers can be unlocked early in more than one method, by either completing {{SSBU|Link}}'s Classic Mode twice, being unlocked after {{SSBU|King K. Rool}} or by playing [[VS. match]]es (and restarting the game as well) and being the 10th characters unlocked. Altogether, the Ice Climbers are among the first characters in the roster to be unlocked.
*The Ice Climbers being unlocked in Link's Classic Mode column might reference either [[Link]] climbing a huge icy mountain in ''The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FQymEBCpw</ref> (the Ice Climbers' prime hobby) or both of their games were playable on the Nintendo Entertainment System consoles.
*{{SSBU|Kirby}} is featured in the celebration screen for the Ice Climbers' Classic Mode route, in place of Nana's face. This might reference that the Ice Climbers have a somewhat identical appearance to Kirby.
*The Ice Climbers, Kirby, {{SSBU|Pac-Man}} and {{SSBU|Jigglypuff}} have similar [[tumbling]] animations to each other: spinning clockwise in a circle while falling and facing the screen with their arms outstretched and a winced/scared expression. Their tumbling animation is a reference to the duo's dying animation in ''Ice Climber'', where they fall at the bottom of the screen after a brief moment of freezing by touching an enemy.
**Jigglypuff might be an exception, since it doesn't have the similar kind of expression Pac-Man, Kirby and the Ice Climbers have while tumbling.
*If the partner is caught in a non-cutscene trapping [[Final Smash]] (such as [[Triforce Slash]], [[Great Aether]], or [[Omnislash]]) and the leader is KO'd, the partner will disappear, leaving the opponent attacking nothing. A similar situation occurs in ''[[Brawl]]''.
*If the partner is caught in a non-cutscene trapping [[Final Smash]] (such as [[Triforce Slash]], [[Great Aether]], or [[Omnislash]]) and the leader is KO'd, the partner will disappear, leaving the opponent attacking nothing. A similar situation occurs in ''[[Brawl]]''.
*When getting hit from behind, the Ice Climbers' back-hitting/wall-bouncing "hitstun" animation causes them to freeze for a brief moment before going into their tumbling animation. This is due to additional frames being added past the final point of the animation.
*When getting hit from behind, the Ice Climbers' back-hitting/wall bounce hitstun animation causes them to freeze for a brief moment before going into their tumbling animation. This is due to additional frames being added past the final point of the animation.
**The animation itself mimics how hitstun animations worked from ''Smash 64'' to ''Brawl''.
**The animation itself mimics how hitstun animations worked from ''Smash 64'' to ''Brawl''.
**The freeze itself is a reference to the duo's dying animation in ''Ice Climber'', in which they freeze for a brief moment after touching an enemy.
**The freeze itself is a reference to the duo's dying animation in ''Ice Climber'', in which they freeze for a brief moment after touching an enemy.
*When navigating the camera around the Ice Climbers during certain animations, such as their ledge-hanging animations, the fur trim on the bottom of their coats and around their wrists seem to detach from their jacket, exposing multiple gaps.<ref>[https://imgur.com/a/GtDXylS]</ref> There are also gaps when looking at their face at certain angles between the fur trim.
*When navigating the camera around the Ice Climbers during certain animations, such as their ledge hanging animations, the fur trim on the bottom of their coats and around their wrists seem to detach from their jacket, exposing multiple gaps.<ref>[https://imgur.com/a/GtDXylS]</ref> There are also gaps when looking at their face at certain angles between the fur trim.
**Additionally, zooming in on Popo's face reveals a gap between his hair and fur trim.
**Additionally, zooming in on Popo's face reveals a gap between his hair and fur trim.
**Also, looking closely at Nana's hair reveals a small gap underneath between her hair and forehead.
**Also, looking closely at Nana's hair reveals a small gap underneath between her hair and forehead.
*In a [[Stock]] or [[Stamina]] battle, if the leading Ice Climber gets KO'd, the vanishing effects of the partner do not appear whenever the leader respawns.
*In a Stock or Stamina battle, if the leading Ice Climber gets KO'd, the vanishing effects of the partner do not appear whenever the leader respawns.
*The Ice Climbers, {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}}, and {{SSBU|Pyra}}/{{SSBU|Mythra}}'s routes all share the same theme, facing dynamic character-duos as opponents.
*If one looks closely at one of the Ice Climber's non-leading feet during their tech wall jump animation, it twists the other way during the move. This can be more easily seen if the match is currently slowed down.
*If one looks closely at one of the Ice Climber's non-leading feet during their [[wall jump tech]]ing animation, it twists the other way during the move. This can be more easily seen if the match is currently slowed down.
*While most other characters have the announcer say "(character) wins!" at the victory screen, the Ice Climbers have the announcer say "Ice Climbers win!" The "(character) win!" audio clip is usually reserved for the Japanese version, though it is most likely used with the Ice Climbers because of their two-in-one nature and name. {{SSBU|Rosalina & Luma}} and Banjo & Kazooie also share this distinction.
*While most other characters have the announcer say "(character) wins!" at the victory screen, the Ice Climbers have the announcer say "Ice Climbers win!" The "(character) win!" audio-clip is typically reserved for the Japanese version, though it is most likely used with the Ice Climbers because of their two-in-one nature and name. {{SSBU|Rosalina & Luma}} and Banjo & Kazooie also share this distinction.
**In Spanish, French, German, and Italian, the name tag and voice clip from the announcer on the victory screen is slightly different from the one used on the character select screen, instead featuring a noticeable translation of "the" ('''los''', '''les''', '''die''', and '''gli''' Ice Climbers, respectively). This trait is shared with {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}}, {{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Inkling}}, {{SSBU|Hero}}, [[Steve (SSBU)|Zombie, Enderman]], and the {{SSBU|Mii Fighter}}s.
**In Spanish, French, German, and Italian, the name-tag and voice-clip from the announcer on the victory screen is slightly different from the one used on the [[character selection screen]], instead featuring a noticeable translation of "the" ('''los''', '''les''', '''die''', and '''gli''' Ice Climbers, respectively). This trait is shared with {{SSBU|Wii Fit Trainer}}, {{SSBU|Pokémon Trainer}}, {{SSBU|Villager}}, {{SSBU|Inkling}}, {{SSBU|Hero}}, [[Steve (SSBU)|Zombie, Enderman]], and the {{SSBU|Mii Fighter}}s.
*In the Ice Climbers' battle portrait, the partner Ice Climber is slightly lower than they are in their full artwork, in order to make their face fully visible. Banjo & Kazooie are the only other fighter with such an edit.
*In the Ice Climbers' battle portrait, the following Ice Climber is positioned slightly lower than they are in their full artwork, in order to make their face fully visible. Banjo & Kazooie are the only other fighter with such an edit.
*The AI level for the partner Ice Climber (Nana by default) is 77 out of 100, which is slightly higher than a level 8 CPU (75 out of 100); the non-standard number is likely a pun on Nana's name, as one of the ways to say seven in Japanese is "{{ja|なな|nana}} (''nana'')".<ref>[https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1178095756000948224 Meshima on Twitter:] Nana AI level is 77 out of 100, slightly smarter than lv.8 CPU having 75. Probably the number of 77 comes from Japanese pronunciation (7 = "na" or "nana").</ref>
*The Ice Climbers and {{SSBU|Lucas}} are the only playable characters who use sprites as their Fighters Spirit image.
*While most characters have two different sets of knockback-based voice clips, the Ice Climbers are the only exception to this rule as they use either their low or high knockback voice clips or remain silent, regardless of their knockback speed.
*The AI level for the following Ice Climber (Nana by default) is 77 out of 100, which is slightly higher than a level-8 CPU (75 out of 100); the non-standard number is likely a pun on Nana's name, as one of the ways to say seven in Japanese is "{{ja|なな|nana}} (''nana'')".<ref>[https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1178095756000948224 Meshima on Twitter:] Nana AI level is 77 out of 100, slightly smarter than lv.8 CPU having 75. Probably the number of 77 comes from Japanese pronunciation (7 = "na" or "nana").</ref>
**Additionally, the Ice Climbers are the only characters that retain their voice clips from ''Brawl'' but do not make use of their unused knockback voice clips, a trait shared with Link, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf from ''Smash 4''.
*While most characters have two different sets of knockback-based voice-clips, the Ice Climbers are the only exception to this rule as they use either their low or high knockback-based voice-clips or remain silent, regardless of their knockback speed.
***When Popo is the leader, they vocalize their medium and one of the heavy knockbacks based on a small probability. Both are missing a light knockback and 1 heavy knockback which goes unused in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and also in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''.
**Additionally, the Ice Climbers are the only characters that retain their voice-clips from ''Brawl'', but do not reprise their unused knockback-based voice-clips, a trait shared with Link, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf from ''Smash 4''.
***When Popo is the leader, they vocalize their medium and one of the heavy knockbacks based on a small probability. Both are missing a light knockback and 1 heavy knockback, which goes unused in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' and also in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''.
*The Ice Climbers' voice-clips sound similar to Kirby's. For example, Popo's high knockback-based and first KO voice-clips sound similar to one of Kirby's voice-clips when taking high knockback, as well as his alternate KO sound from ''SSB4'', and Nana's ledge-grabbing voice-clip sounds similar to Kirby's voice-clip when grabbing a ledge.
*The Ice Climbers are the only characters who have fewer dash-to-run frames when performing a pivot dash instead of a regular dash.
*The Ice Climbers are the only characters who have fewer dash-to-run frames when performing a pivot dash instead of a regular dash.
*When playing on a custom stage, there is a visual glitch in the Ice Climber's on-screen appearance where the Condor does not disappear and only does so once "GO!" appears on the screen.
*When playing on a custom stage, there's a visual glitch in the Ice Climber's on-screen appearance where the Condor does not disappear and only does so once "GO!" appears on the screen.
*If both Ice Climbers perform a smash attack with the [[Home-Run Bat]], Nana will vocalize first, which is during the windup rather than before the swing. This is a carryover from ''Brawl'', where all characters will grunt during the windup animation. This is shared with {{SSBU|Falco}}.
*If both Ice Climbers perform a smash attack with the [[Home-Run Bat]], Nana will vocalize first, which is during the windup rather than before the swing. This is a carryover from ''Brawl'', where all characters will grunt during the windup animation. This is shared with {{SSBU|Falco}}.
*If Nana is the leader, the Ice Climbers' knockback-based voice-clips won't play for unknown reasons.
*If Nana is the leader, the Ice Climbers' knockback voice clips won't play for unknown reasons.
*The Ice Climbers' [https://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ice-climbers-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series/ description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on their trophy description from ''[[Melee]]''.
*The Ice Climbers' [https://www.nintendo.com/amiibo/detail/ice-climbers-amiibo-super-smash-bros-series/ description] on the North American [[amiibo]] website is based on their trophy description from ''[[Melee]]''.
*Uniquely, instead of being supported by a clear stand on their amiibo, the Ice Climbers are instead supported by a blue iceberg, which is not present in their official render. The only other characters to have a distinction present in their amiibo that is not present in their official artwork are {{SSB4|Mr. Game & Watch}} (interchangeable poses), {{SSBU|Ridley}} (plastic impact effect), {{SSBU|Joker}} (plastic flame support), {{SSBU|Banjo & Kazooie}} (plastic Jiggy support), and {{SSBU|Min Min}} (plastic gust support).
*Instead of being supported by a clear stand on their amiibo, the Ice Climbers are instead supported by a blue iceberg, which is not present in their official render.
*The Ice Climbers are the only characters who wield weapons at all times to be affected by [[stance mirroring]].
*The Ice Climbers are the only characters who wield weapons at all times to be affected by [[stance mirroring]].
*The Ice Climbers seen in {{SSBU|Sora}}'s reveal trailer after everyone has been turned back into trophies are actually two Popos.
*The Ice Climbers seen in {{SSBU|Sora}}'s reveal trailer after everyone has been turned back into trophies are actually two Popos.
*During [[Palutena's Guidance#Ice Climbers|Palutena's Guidance regarding the Ice Climbers]], {{SSBU|Pit}} assumes that their absence in ''SSB4'' was due to illegal teaming. This dialogue is a humorous reference to the Ice Climbers being cut due to the consistent technical issues that Masahiro Sakurai and the development team faced when attempting to make them function properly in {{for3ds}}.
*During [[Palutena's Guidance#Ice Climbers|Palutena's Guidance regarding the Ice Climbers]], {{SSBU|Pit}} assumes that their absence in ''SSB4'' was due to illegal teaming. This dialogue is a humorous reference to the Ice Climbers being cut due to the consistent technical issues that Masahiro Sakurai and the development team faced when attempting to make them function properly in {{for3ds}}.
*When functioning as the following climber, Popo and Nana are the only characters capable of [[dash]]ing through other characters in ''Ultimate''.
*When functioning as the partner climber, Popo and Nana are the only characters capable of [[dash]]ing through other characters in ''Ultimate''.
*When one Ice Climber gets KO'd off the top blast line, the other Ice Climber has a greater chance of being KO'd in  the same manner. For example, if the leader were to get [[Screen KO]]'d, the partner likely would as well, instead of the typical completely randomized chance.
*When one Ice Climber gets KO'd off the top blast line, the other Ice Climber has a greater chance of being KO'd the same way. For example, if the leader were to get [[Screen KO]]'d, the partner likely would as well, instead of the usual completely random chance.
*If {{SSBU|Sephiroth}} performs [[Shadow Flare]] against the AI-controlled Ice Climber, they will flinch and take the initial damage, but the shadowy orbs that normally follow from this attack will not appear.
*If {{SSBU|Sephiroth}} uses [[Shadow Flare]] against the AI-controlled Ice Climber, they will flinch and take the initial damage, but the shadowy orbs that normally follow from this attack will not appear.


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Revision as of 13:38, September 28, 2023

This article is about the Ice Climbers' appearance in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. For the characters in other contexts, see Ice Climbers.
Ice Climbers
in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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Universe Ice Climber
Other playable appearances in Melee
in Brawl

Availability Unlockable
Final Smash Iceberg
Tier B- (56)
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The Ice Climbers (アイスクライマー, Ice Climber) are playable fighters in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. They were confirmed on June 12th, 2018. Although they are a team, the Ice Climbers are collectively classified as Fighter #15.

The Ice Climbers are once again voiced by Sanae Kobayashi, with her portrayals from Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl being repurposed for Ultimate.

The Ice Climbers are ranked 56th out of 82 on the tier list, putting them at the end of the B- tier. This is an extreme drop from their 2nd out of 38 ranking in Brawl, and by far their worst placement in the series.

How to unlock

Complete one of the following:

  • Play VS. matches, with the Ice Climbers being the 10th characters to be unlocked.
  • Clear Classic Mode with Link or any character in his unlock tree, being the 2nd character unlocked after King K. Rool.
  • Have the Ice Climbers join the player's party in World of Light.

The Ice Climbers must then be defeated on Summit (the Ω form is used in World of Light).

Attributes

The Ice Climbers are a pair of middleweights, (weighing the same as Lucario, Wolf, Villager, Mythra, and Steve), with a moderately short height, above average jumps, average air speed and air acceleration, with low gravity and slow falling speed. Unique to a majority of the roster, they are the archetypical tag team fighters, though each Climber is a unique character in their own right. The partner (Nana by default) is controlled by a CPU and mimics what the leader (Popo by default) does with a seven frame delay. As such, the player is essentially controlling two characters at the same time with slight tweaks; the partner has slightly higher mobility attributes, they will deal less damage, receive more damage, and are knocked back farther than the leader. When separated, the partner's AI takes control over their movement, and guides them back to the leader, ignoring most opponents in their path. While one Ice Climber deals respectable damage on their own, the two's power combined can make them formidable.

Most of the Ice Climbers' grounded moveset is fairly quick and disjointed, allowing for versatile use. Their neutral attack is fast, hits twice, and launches at a low angle, making this attack fairly good at guaranteeing follow-ups at lower percentages, giving the duo a reliable stun-lock, and allowing the Ice Climbers a quick option to keep opponents away from them. Forward tilt can be angled, and has a chance to trip opponents. It has impressive knockback growth, and can KO fellow middleweights at about 135% at the edge of Final Destination. Up tilt is short ranged, but one of the Ice Climbers' most useful moves, hitting multiple times with low knockback and dealing excellent damage. It also allows for a direct chain into a series of up aerials until about 115%, making it paramount in initiating combos. Down tilt is one of their quickest grounded moves, acting as a strong semi-spike at high percentages, and making follow-ups into dash attack or similar very easy. Dash attack starts off moderately slow, but sends opponents above the leader for quick transitions into Up aerials, similarly to up tilt. However, it has very low knockback growth, making it only useful in starting aerial combos.

Complimenting their tilts, the Ice Climbers' smash attacks are also very useful and excellent KO options. Forward smash is the duo's strongest smash, dealing impressive damage despite it's quick speed, and respectable knockback even at lower percentages, reliably KOing at about 70% at edge of the stage. Up smash is similarly powerful, sending opponents flying quite early, but is particularly slower in it's start-up and ending, making it situational. It hits in a wide area directly above the Ice Climbers, and can KO at about 120%. Down smash launches opponents at a diagonal angle, and is the weakest of the duo's smash attacks. Each Climber swings in one direction, allowing this move to catch rolls and surprise opponents who may be approaching from behind. However, if only the leader is currently on stage, they become vulnerable to rolls due to the lack of a hitbox from behind.

The Ice Climbers' aerials are all strong options and are the basis of most of their combos. Neutral aerial is short ranged, and has weak knockback, but is also quick to start and has a long-lasting hitbox, making it passable as a gimping tool. When an opponent is launched upward, it also can add on some extra damage when using up tilt is unfavorable, or launch opponents directly forward. Forward aerial is a disjointed hammer swing, which deals heavy damage and has moderate ending lag. The partner's version of the move has a sweetspot that hides a very strong spike that can net a KO impressively early if used at mid percentages, and acts as the Ice Climbers' main edgeguarding tool. Back aerial can be a useful move for its quickness, large, disjointed hitbox, and respectable knockback. It is deceptively strong offstage as such, and when used properly, it can allow for a stage spike and particularly useful edgeguard. It also is safe on shield, the partner Climber's attack actually being positive on shield. Up aerial is the duo's strongest aerial and one of their best KO options when on the stage. The move has excellent juggling capabilities at low percent, and KO's most opponents at around 110-125% when used out of a down throw. Down aerial is a stall-then-fall that covers the entirety of the Ice Climbers' underside, and moves slightly diagonally forward, making it excellent at punishing opponents who are trying to juggle them. Despite having little KO potential outside of very high percentages, it can be effectively used out of a short hop to attack opponents directly in front of the Ice Climbers, while also being quick to act out of makes it situational for edgeguards.

The Ice Climbers' specials all have somewhat versatile uses. Neutral special has the duo each create a slab of ice that slides across the stage, shrinking as they melt. Unlike most projectiles, the ice acts more like a container or soccer ball in that the incoming projectile is completely stop, allowing the Ice Climbers to counter most projectile spam playstyles more easily. At extremely high percents it can also freeze opponents, allowing use of setups or reads. If attacked with a strong enough attack, the projectile's ownership will change, allowing it to harm the Ice Climbers if collided with. Their side special, Squall Hammer, is a respectable move for racking up damage and is relatively safe on shield or cross-ups. With continued presses, the attack can also be used for recovery purposes, which puts them into a helpless state. It is also one of the easiest desync methods available to the player. Up special, Belay, covers an excellent amount of air, the partner Climber is completely intangible until pulling up the leader, and auto-grabs any ledges within range. The leader also has a very situational, but strong hitbox on the way up, allowing for a KO from the top blast zones, or a means to apply extra damage at the end of an aerial combo. Finally, down special, Blizzard, is a slow, read-based punish tool that freezes opponents in their tracks and deals significant amounts of damage at point blank range. Using the attack while an enemy is already frozen increases the freeze time slightly and can allow the duo to make space between them and their opponent if need be, or tack on extra damage while frozen. Specifically, this move is very useful when near the ledge, as freezing an opponent near the edges of a stage can make it easy to nudge them off without any means to escape. It also has priority over some other projectiles and can cancel them if the two collide. Overall, the duo's specials are all useful in specific situations and can help to create openings for additional combos or surprise KO's.

An extremely important part of playing Ice Climbers is learning how to consistently perform a tech called desynching. Desynching is an advanced technique that allows a player to manipulate the partner Ice Climber into acting slower than usual. At its most basic form, anytime the partner Ice Climber is not within a specific range of the leader, the partner's AI will take manual control of the partner and return it to the leader. During this time, none of the leader's inputs are read by the partner and it's AI inputs are prioritized until it has returned to the leader, and may act independently of the leader's current movements being performed. Using desyncs can allow for some remarkable combos and setups that are completely impossible with other fighters.

The removal of chain grabs (and by extension, wobbling) means that the duo's grab game has become more situational and in-line with the rest of the roster, limiting it's effectiveness. However, while it is not as potent as it once was, the Ice Climber's grab game is still respectable. The Ice Climber's grab itself has been vastly changed. For starters, only the leader grabs opponents, while the partner cheers. This means that the duo can no longer grab more than one opponent at a time. Additionally, the Ice Climber's grab is the shortest ranged grab in the game, making it risky to attempt to grab in the first place. Forward throw is a basic throw that has moderately strong base knockback and causes tumble from 0%, which allows it to open options for a tech chase. Back throw has very strong base knockback, while it's knockback scaling has been decreased, making it difficult to use in either combos or as a KO option, but useful in desyncs. Up throw is similar, in which it has very limited uses, but notably allows quick access to juggling with up aerial. Down throw is by far the duo's best grab. It's main use is to initiate aerial combos, desync combos, and juggles, all of which can be devastating. The Ice Climbers' neutral, forward, back, and up aerials can all be used for combos out of down throw and the opponent's placement in air can make it difficult for them to escape from a combo once it has been started, especially if desynced.

Despite all their strengths, the Ice Climbers have a few glaring flaws, mainly coming from the vulnerability of the partner Ice Climber and the loss of a few important tools between the transition from Brawl to Ultimate. While having decent damage output and KO potential, it becomes heavily diminished if the partner is KO'd, and the fact that the partner takes more damage and knockback further compounds this problem. When separated, the AI guides the partner back to the leader and the partner is unable to act and defend themselves from any threats. When the leader is grabbed by an opponent, the partner will act shocked or scared and cannot attack until the leader has escaped or been thrown, which makes previously near-guaranteed grab escapes no longer possible. The partner also has their own hidden percentage that racks up separately of the leader's and can make it easy for an opponent to KO them first. Because of this, it is important for the leader to hurry back to the partner in an attempt at defending them, though this can potentially lead the leader into dangerous situations as well. Their main recovery method, Belay, is also incredibly situational. If the partner is unable to reach the ledge, it can put the leader at a disadvantage, even if they make it back to the stage. Since the partner flings the leader much higher, it is possible to overshoot the ledge, leaving the leader unable to defend themselves while descending helplessly onstage. Should the CPU Ice Climber get KO'd during the stock, the remaining Ice Climber will have drastically reduced damage output, KO ability, and recovery, with Belay becoming practically useless and Squall Hammer losing a good deal of distance (whereas with both Ice Climbers they are excellent recovery moves).

Outside of the issues of the partner Ice Climber, the duo's moveset comes with it's own problems. Barring their situational projectile from Ice Shot, the Ice Climbers have no reliable projectile and can be easily camped out or their projectiles turned against them. The range of their moves is not great—despite being disjointed, their hammers' range can still come up short and can make for some bad matchups, specifically against the likes of Marth or Sephiroth, while Blizzard's range has been nerfed significantly and is dangerous to use liberally. Arguably, the changes that hurt the Ice Climbers most are the changes to grab mechanics in Ultimate. The added period of grab intangibility between grabs and the partner's lack of a grab makes the Ice Climbers' previously most potent tool, chain grabbing, impossible. This significantly impedes their damage output compared to Brawl or Melee and no longer gives the Ice Climbers an almost guaranteed stock off of a single grab. Desyncing in itself can also have it's own drawbacks. An accidental desync off of up tilt or down throw may make it more difficult to follow-up with the duo's combos, or can even cause the partner's attack to miss entirely, hindering the duo's damage-racking capabilities. Desyncing can also leave the partner Ice Climber vulnerable because of the increase in reaction time between the leader and the partner; in particular, abilities such as dodging, and jumping are significantly delayed, giving the opponent ample time to counterattack if properly read. Finally, the Ice Climbers suffer from being rather predictable and are forced to endure a severely poor disadvantage state. Because of their reliance on mid-air combos and some situational oddities, the general playstyle of the Ice Climbers can be easily picked apart and exploited early on in a match. In cases like this, it can be come difficult, if not impossible to return to neutral or even win trade offs without having to take serious risks.

Overall, the Ice Climbers are among the least beginner friendly characters on the roster, but offer amazing potential with practice. The inherent complexity of controlling two characters at once can be difficult to understand for new players, and combined with their low traction, somewhat situational moveset, and severe handicaps when the partner is lost are also considerable barriers of entry. However, learning the quirks of the pair, especially desynching, can open an incredibly potent and powerful game plan. This includes long and relatively free-form combos, many being zero-to-death options—some even being true—as well as other unique setups and mix-ups that very few characters have any proper answers for.

Changes from Super Smash Bros. Brawl

The Ice Climbers were previously infamous for having some of (if not) the most powerful damage racking capabilities thanks to wobbling in Melee and infinite chain grabs in Brawl, with these even allowing them to achieve a KO from them. Most likely owing to this, the Ice Climbers were drastically nerfed in the transition from Brawl to Ultimate.

The Ice Climbers' grab game was significantly impacted the most; the partner climber can no longer grab the opponent or act when the leader is grabbed or throwing someone (except when in the air). This dramatically changes the way their combo game works, as it removes the Climbers' extremely powerful chain grabs they were capable of, instead forcing them to rely on desynching in order to combo the opponent. Moreover, the leader's grabs have noticeably more startup and ending lag, and much less range, now being the shortest grabs in the game.

Outside of this, the base damage output on many of their moves has decreased and many of their attacks connect less reliably when they are together due to reduced hitlag. The partner climber is also launched much easier than the leader due to taking increased damage and knockback from attacks, and the AI's intelligence has been reduced leading to more likely self-destructs, making it harder for each of them to stay together. The partner climber also no longer performs Blizzard behind the leader when used on the ground, and the move itself is less effective as a spacing tool due to its lack of knockback at max range. Finally, due to changes in Belay's hitboxes, the move can gain significantly less height if the hitbox is out prioritized, and its overall size is smaller, making it harder to connect against grounded opponents.

However, the Ice Climbers have received some useful buffs. As with almost every other returning veteran, their mobility has been considerably increased and the partner climber is now faster than the leader, making it harder to separate them. Some of their moves, including forward smash, down smash, and forward aerial deal higher damage with proportional KO power. The Ice Climbers also have superior combo potential on their own due to the removal of hitstun canceling, the weakening of SDI, and desynching remaining mostly intact. Thanks to improved freezing properties, the Ice Climbers can also freeze opponents easier and longer, which can lead to high damage, KOs while edgeguarding, shield pressure, and follow-ups if performed correctly.

Overall, the Ice Climbers are significantly less effective than in Brawl. Their learning curve has become drastically more steep, as the removal of chaingrabbing and weakening of miscellaneous moves forces them to rely on desynching to perform at full capacity. Even with the changes to game mechanics and late game updates giving them multiple benefits, the Ice Climbers perform worse than in Brawl, and are by far the most nerfed characters in the transition to Ultimate.

Aesthetics

  • Change Due to Ultimate's graphical improvements, the Ice Climbers gain a sleeker design with more subtle detailing in their hair and parkas, and their overall color scheme is significantly more vibrant and subdued. The duo wear coats with detailed furry lining, similar to Melee. The duo have slightly smaller more proportionate heads, more faint blushes on their cheeks, and slightly thinner eyes on top of losing the purple hue in their eyes. Their boots and hammers also appear to be covered in light powdered snow.
  • Change Both Ice Climbers face the foreground at an angle, instead of facing directly forward. In addition, they always face the screen regardless of which direction either of them turn, making all of their animations mirrored while altering some.
  • Change The Ice Climbers have a new idle pose of them turning to look behind themselves. It replaces the animation of them dropping their hammers and then lifting them back up.
  • Change Like other fighters, the Ice Climbers are more expressive than before: they appear excited when using their specials and forward smash, scowl when shielding and charging their up and down smash, and the partner climber will also panic when the leader is grabbed.
    • Change In addition, the partner climber will have a worried expression and wince periodically when the main climber gets frozen, dizzy, or gets attacked.
  • Change Nana has received new voice-clips for a few of her moveset, such as her smash attacks.
  • Change The Ice Climbers' spot dodging, air dodging and ledge-hanging animations have changed.
    • Change When air dodging, the Ice Climbers look towards the camera for longer.
    • Change When hanging onto a ledge, the Ice Climbers grab the ledge with their free hand instead of with both hands.
  • Change The Ice Climbers' on-screen appearance has them give each other an enthusiastic high-five, which was waist-height in Brawl. The animation also no longer differs depending on the starting position based on the player's controller port.
  • Change The Ice Climbers only jump once when using up taunt, as opposed to three times.
  • Change At the end of a solo-match, only the leading Ice Climber will be shown inside the losing pane on the results screen. Both Ice Climbers are still shown if the match ends in a No Contest.
  • Change The Ice Climbers' victory pose where they alternate left and right now has them circling their heads around .
    • Change Their victory theme has been shortened to only contain the second half.
  • Change The Ice Climbers' crowd cheer is "I scream, you scream, Ice Climbers!"
  • Bug fix Nana's crowd cheer is no longer the back-sound of the menu if she is currently the leader.
  • Bug introduced The Ice Climbers' knockback-based voice-clips will no longer play if Nana is the leader.
  • Change The Ice Climbers has been updated with universal features introduced in Smash 4.
    • Change The Ice Climbers has a Boxing Ring title, a Palutena's Guidance conversation, and two additional alternate costumes.
      • Change Their black costume has slightly been modified: Nana's parka is now brown instead of black. Additionally, their costumes have been re-ordered; the Nana-leading costumes now occupy the second half of their costumes instead of the even-numbered costumes, which is how their costumes were ordered in Melee
    • Change The Ice Climbers' voice-clip numbers in Sound Test are numbered individually (i.e. "Popo: Voice [number]"/"Nana: Voice [number]"), similar to other team-based fighters as well as the Mii Fighters, Assist Trophies, Poké Ball Pokémon and bosses.
  • Change The sound effects of the partner are quieter. This is best heard when they are either Star or Screen KO'd.

Attributes

  • Buff Like all characters, both of the Ice Climbers' jumpsquat animations take 3 frames to complete (down from 4).
  • Buff The partner climber is generally faster than the leader. This helps them keep up if the two are separated.
  • Nerf If either Ice Climber lands a hit, the other one takes a small amount of hitlag, regardless of whether their attack connects or not.
    • Nerf This makes desynching slightly more difficult to perform.
  • Nerf The partner Ice Climber sustains 1.02× times the damage and knockback from attacks, making them slightly easier to separate and KO.
  • Nerf The partner now stands slightly behind the leader, in addition to being slightly in the z-axis. This reduces their grounded moveset's range, minus down smash due to hitting behind the partner.
  • Change The partner has a longer delay (4 frames → 6), causing some of the partner's attacks to miss but also improving their combo and frame-trapping potential.
  • Buff The Ice Climbers walk faster (0.96 → 1.008 (leader), 1.1088 (partner)).
  • Buff The Ice Climbers run faster (1.388 → 1.53 (leader), 1.683 (partner)).
  • Buff The Ice Climbers' air speed is faster (0.7708 → 0.83 (leader), 0.8715 (partner)).
  • Change The Ice Climbers' falling speed is faster (1.2 → 1.3).
  • Change The Ice Climbers' gravity is slightly higher (0.077 → 0.082), although it is lower relative to the cast.
  • Buff As with all returning veterans, the Ice Climbers have much more traction (0.035 → 0.077), although it is still the second lowest in the game.
  • Buff The following Ice Climber's air acceleration is slightly higher (0.09 → 0.0945).
  • Buff Forward roll has less ending lag (FAF 31 → 30).
  • Nerf Forward roll grants less intangibility (frames 4-19 → 4-15).
  • Nerf Back roll has more startup with less intangibility (frames 4-19 → 5-16) and more ending lag (FAF 31 → 35).
  • Nerf Spot dodge has more startup with less intangibility (frames 2-20 → 3-17).
  • Nerf Air dodge has significantly more ending lag (FAF 48 → 58)
  • Buff Air dodge has less startup (4 → 3).
  • Buff The reintroduction of directional air dodging benefits the Ice Climbers more than most of the other returning veterans, as the duo have access to using a secondary recovering option with them or can extend or mix-up their recovery by using one, especially when combined with Belay's long distance as a tether recovery.
    • Buff The following Ice Climber now performs a directional air dodge if off-stage when separated from the leader, instead of typically using Belay to recover.
    • Buff The introduction of air dodge landing lag glitch benefits the Ice Climbers more than any other returning veteran, as if the duo perform an uninterrupted air dodge and land on the floor in their helpless states after using Squall Hammer, their normal landing lag will get approximately reduced.
  • Nerf The removal of chain grabbing hinders the Ice Climbers more than any other character, as it drastically reduces their cheesing ability, and zero-to-deaths, while still possible, are now much harder. They also greatly suffer from the ability to tech footstools as it removes their guaranteed lock setups from grabs.
  • Nerf The following Ice Climber's AI is worse as they have more difficulty recovering and making it back to the leader, which can lead to them self-destructing.
  • Buff The duration opponents are frozen from the Ice Climbers' ice attacks are much longer, allowing for easier unavoidable follow-ups at high percentages. At very high percentages, Blizzard and Ice Shot can even freeze them long enough to be unable to recover from near the ledge.
  • Buff Ice Climbers arguably benefit the most from the reintroduction of wavedashing because of their very low traction, significantly increasing their approach and mobility, as well as giving them more mixups with grabbing and attacking opponents.
  • Change The partner Ice Climber's attacks affect the duo's staleness queue; in previous games, they would use the queue but could not alter it. This generally means that the duo's attacks will both stale and refresh twice as quickly.
  • Bug fix When the leader is KO'd by reaching 0 HP during their last stock in Stamina Mode, the partner climber instantly enters the defeat animation regardless of being hit or not, similar to Rosalina's Lumas.
    • Nerf This consequently removes the partner Ice Climber's ability to intervene the results of opponents, hindering their impact on Stamina battles.

Ground attacks

  • Neutral attack:
    • Buff Neutral attack can lock opponents and connect both hits together more consistently due to its altered angle (60° → 361°/180°).
    • Buff The partner's second hit deals more damage (2% → 2.6%) without full compensation on knockback (45 (base)/100 (scaling) → 60/95), improving its KO potential when combined with the second hit's lowered angle.
    • Buff The first hit transitions into the second hit earlier (frame 11 → 10).
    • Buff The first hit can be transitioned into the second hit by holding/tapping onto the attack input for 10-30 frames, or by holding onto the button until frame 13, as opposed to tapping the button until frame 11.
    • Nerf The move deals less damage (3% → 2% (leader hit 1), 4% → 3.5% (leader hit 2), 2% → 1.5% (partner hit 1), 11% → 9.6% (total)).
    • Nerf Second hit of neutral attack has more ending lag (FAF 20 → 30).
    • Nerf Both hits have a shorter duration (frames 4-7 (hit 1), 4-6 (hit 2) → 4-5 (both)).
    • Nerf The first hit has an increased hitlag multiplier (1.0× → 1.3×), giving the opponent more time to SDI it.
    • Change The first hit has gained 2 additional hitstun frames. This allows it to stun opponents longer to connect into the second hit, and thus pressure them more effectively, but also gives them more time to SDI it.
  • Forward tilt:
    • Buff Forward tilt has less ending lag (FAF 33 → 30).
    • Nerf The partner's forward tilt deals less damage (7% (non angled) → 6.75%).
    • Nerf The move has a shorter duration (frames 9-12 → 9-10).
    • Change The partner's forward tilt has an increased hitlag multiplier (0.5× → 1×), matching the leader's.
  • Up tilt:
    • Buff The final hit of up tilt has more combo potential due to the removal of hitstun canceling.
    • Buff The partner's final hit deals less base knockback and more knockback scaling (40 (base), 100 (scaling) → 38, 118), allowing it to combo better from low/medium percents, while also improving its KO potential at very high percents.
    • Nerf The move deals less damage (1% (loop hits) → 0.8% (leader loop hits), 0.6% (partner loop hits), 17% → 15.4% (total)).
    • Nerf The final hit has more startup lag (frame 26 → 27).
    • Buff The looping hits deal more knockback (15 (base), 20 (scaling) → 65/60/20, 10), with the higher knockback hitboxes being used to raise the opponent towards the higher, low knockback hitboxes.
  • Down tilt:
    • Change The partner's down tilt deals consistent damage (4%/5% → 4.5%), making it deal more damage at point-blank range but dealing less damage elsewhere.
    • Buff Due to the increased traction across the cast, opponents do not slide back as much upon tripping from down tilt, improving its reliability for starting combos.
    • Nerf The move connects less consistently at higher percents when both climbers are present due to the partner being more delayed.
  • Dash attack:
    • Buff The partner's dash attack deals more damage (4% → 4.5%) and has increased knockback scaling (40 → 60).
    • Buff The move has a longer duration (frames 11-12 → 11-14).
    • Buff The outermost-hitbox has been extended forward (Y offset: 5u → 5u—7.5u), increasing its range.
  • Forward smash:
    • Buff Forward smash has less startup lag with a longer duration (frames 12-13 → 11-13).
    • Buff It has less ending lag (FAF 49 → 47).
    • Buff It has more base knockback (30 → 50) and the partner's forward smash has more knockback scaling (118 → 126).
    • Nerf It has an altered animation where the Ice Climbers don't slam their hammers as far as horizontally, hindering its range.
    • Nerf It no longer provides a sweetspot that deals more damage, reducing its overall maximum damage output (13% → 12% (leader), 10% → 9% (partner), 23% → 21% (both)).
  • Up smash:
    • Buff Up smash has less startup lag (frame 13 → 12).
    • Buff The partner's up smash has more knockback scaling (113 → 126).
    • Buff The loss of hitstun canceling improves the move's ability to lead into combos.
    • Nerf The partner's up smash deals less damage (9%/8% → 8.25%/6.75%).
    • Nerf It has more ending lag (FAF 48 → 50).
  • Down smash:
    • Change Down smash has been reworked: each Ice Climber individually sweep their hammers at specific directions (with the leader sweeping in front, while the partner sweeps behind the leader).
    • Buff The move provides more horizontal coverage when together, making it more versatile for punishing rolls and approaches.
    • Buff The hitboxes come out sooner (frame 9 → 7), improving its utility as a burst punishing option.
    • Buff It deals more damage (12%/10% → 13% (leader), 9%/8% → 9.75% (partner)) and more knockback than the previous sweetspots (30/50 (base), 105/102 (leader scaling), 113 (partner scaling) → 50, 105, 126)
    • Buff It has less ending lag (FAF 44 → 41).
    • Nerf The move only hits on a single side with a solo-climber, making the remaining climber more vulnerable to rolls.
    • Nerf Due to its altered animation, it is drastically harder to connect with both climbers.

Aerial attacks

  • Buff All aerials have less landing lag (15 frames → 7 (neutral/back), 20 → 10 (forward), 30 → 14 (up), 42 → 20 (down).
  • Nerf The Ice Climbers can no longer perform a two back or up aerials in a short hop due to their increased falling speed, as well as the latter having increased ending lag.
  • Neutral aerial:
    • Buff The partner's neutral aerial deals more damage (5% → 5.25%).
    • Nerf The partner's neutral aerial also has less knockback scaling (128 → 120) hindering its KO potential despite its higher damage.
    • Buff The move's lowered landing lag improves its utility in combos both desynced and synced.
    • Nerf The move connects less consistently when both climbers are present, especially at higher percents.
  • Forward aerial:
    • Buff The partner's sourspot deals more damage (7% → 9%) and has more knockback scaling (100 → 114).
    • Buff The removal of meteor canceling improves the partner's sweetspot's reliability.
    • Buff The removal of teching for grounded meteor smashes improves the combo potential of the partner's sweetspotted forward aerial onstage, compounded further by its reduced landing lag.
    • Nerf The partner has less active frames, now matching the leader (19-21 → 19-20).
  • Back aerial:
    • Nerf Back aerial deals less damage (11% → 10% (leader), 8% → 7.5% (partner), 19% → 17.5% (both)) although its knockback was mostly compensated (scaling: 107 (leader), 128 (partner) → 115/138) and connects less reliably when both climbers are present especially at higher percents.
      • Buff The partner's attack now has more knockback overall, and is more in-line with the leader's, although it is still a bit weaker.
  • Up aerial:
    • Buff The Ice Climbers' up aerial has been reworked: an overhead hammer-swing in a horizontal arc. Compared to their previous up aerial, it provides much more horizontal range and hits in front of them, providing more efficient coverage than before.
    • Buff It has more knockback scaling (120 (leader), 142 (partner) → 129, 154.8), improving its KO potential despite its lowered damage.
    • Nerf It deals less damage (10%/9% → 9% (leader), 7%/6% → 6.75% (partner)).
    • Nerf It has more startup lag with a shorter duration (frames 6-23 → 7-11) and more ending lag (FAF 30 → 36).
    • Nerf It provides less vertical range compared to the previous one, making it much harder to connect against grounded opponents.
  • Down aerial:
    • Buff The partner's down aerial deals more damage (5% → 6%).
    • Buff It auto-cancels earlier (frame 58 → 54).
    • Buff The removal of the stall-then-fall glitch allows the Ice Climbers to land with the move more reliably out of hitstun.
    • Change The Ice Climbers bounce up before performing down aerial, similar to Sheik's down aerial.
      • Nerf As a result, it has more startup with a shorter duration (frames 9-51 → 12-51).
    • Nerf Its initial auto-cancel window has been removed.

Throws and other attacks

  • Grabs:
    • Change If missing a grab, the leading Ice Climber will receive a surprised expression.
    • Buff Their dash grabs grant more horizontal momentum and substantial speed-boost, improving their approaching potential despite their increased ending lag.
    • Nerf All grabs have more startup (frame 6 → 8 (standing), frame 8 → 10 (dash/pivot)) and ending lag (FAF 30 → 40 (standing), frame 40 → 48 (dash), frame 40 → 41 (pivot)).
    • Nerf All grabs have smaller hitboxes (4.5/3.5u → 3.6/1.8u (standing), 5.5/3.8u → 2.9/1.45u (dash), 5.5/3.8/3.8u → 3.6/1.8u (pivot)).
  • Nerf The partner cannot act while the leader is held by an opponent's grab while on the ground, and enters a panicking animation instead (although this can be avoided with desyncs).
  • Nerf The partner can no longer grab, and will taunt with a cheerful jump during the leader's throw while on the ground. This removes their chain grabs and locks the Ice Climbers were infamous for in previous titles.
  • Pummel:
    • Change Pummel deals more hitlag (1 frame → 10 frames), but has drastically less startup (frame 11 → 1) and ending lag (FAF 19 → 7), overall resulting in a 1 frame shorter loop.
    • Nerf The hitbox has a shorter duration (frames 11-12 → 1).
  • Throw:
    • Buff All throws no longer have SDI multipliers.
    • Change Back throw and down throw are now weight-independent. This improves their combo ability against heavyweights, but worsens it against lightweights.
  • Forward throw:
    • Buff The removal of hitstun canceling improves its utility in tech-chasing and setting up an edgeguard.
    • Buff The collateral hitbox no longer has fixed knockback (90 → 50 (base)/60 (scaling)).
    • Nerf The collateral hitbox has a significantly increased hitlag multiplier (0.3x → 1.2×), making it much easier to DI.
    • Change The collateral hitbox is smaller (7.2u → 5.0u), but with an altered positioning (Y offset: 5.6/0u → 6.5/10.0u).
  • Back throw:
    • Buff The removal of hitstun canceling allows back throw to lead into follow-ups both desynced and synced, as well as improving its ability to set up an edgeguard.
    • Nerf The removal of chain grabing drastically hinders the move's utility.
  • Up throw:
    • Buff Up throw deals more damage (2% (hit), 4% (throw), 6% (total) → 3%, 5%, 8%) without full compensation on the throw portion's knockback scaling (28 → 26), making it more reliable for combos at lower precents when combined with the loss of histun canceling, while allowing it to KO slightly earlier.
    • Buff The collateral hitbox no longer has fixed knockback (90 → 75 (base)/60 (scaling)), making the throw portion slightly stronger and allowing it to KO at very high precents.
    • Buff The collateral hitbox lasts longer (frame 25 → 25-26).
    • Nerf The collateral hitbox has a significantly increased hitlag multiplier (0.2x → 1.2×), giving the opponent much more time to DI.
    • Change The collateral hitboxes are smaller (7.2/5.76u → 5.0/4.0u), but with altered positionings (Y offset: 5.6u → 6.0u).
  • Down throw:
    • Change The leading Ice Climber clinches the opponent with both hands, lift them up in the air before slamming them on the ground.
    • Buff The changes to hitstun canceling improve down throw's combo potential beyond lower percents with a solo-climber.
    • Buff It deals has higher knockback scaling (100 → 116).
    • Nerf The removal of chain grabbing hinders down throw's damage-racking potential at lower percents, even with a solo-climber.
  • Floor attack:
    • Buff The leader's floor attacks deals more damage (6% → 7%).
    • Nerf The partner's floor attacks deals less damage (6% → 5.25% (front & back), 5% → 3.75% (trip)).
  • Edge attack:
    • Change The Ice Climbers ram their hammers horizontally in a straight line, similar to their slow ledge attack in Brawl.
    • Buff It deals consistent damage compared to their previous ledge attacks, even though the partner's is weaker (8% (hammer)/6% (body) → 8% (leader), 6% (partner)).
    • Nerf It deals less damage compared to their old slow ledge attack (10% (hammer), 8% (body) → 8% (leader), 6% (body)).
    • Nerf The Ice Climbers do not hunch over when performing it, making them easier to punish.

Special moves

  • Ice Shot:
    • Buff Ice Shot deals more damage (3%-1% → 3.5%-~2.25%).
    • Buff It has less ending lag (FAF 60 → 56).
    • Buff It can function as a projectile blocker since the sliding ice pieces won't get destroyed by any projectiles, and will cancel them out no matter how powerful they are.
    • Nerf It has more startup lag (frame 17 → 18).
    • Nerf Reflected ice chunks can damage the Ice Climbers.
    • Change Ice Shot makes a different sound effect.
  • Squall Hammer:
    • Buff Solo Squall Hammer ends with a stronger hit that much more knockback (5 (base), 30 (scaling) → 50, 100) and launches at an altered angle (30° → 361°).
    • Buff Solo Squall Hammer has less startup (frame 12 → 10).
    • Buff Desynced Squall Hammer has more consistent utility to trap opponents between both Ice Climbers.
    • Buff Squall Hammer's multihits launch at altered angles (30° → 25/32) and have altered knockback (5 (base), 80 (scaling) → 25/13, 95).
    • Buff Duo Squall Hammer deals more damage (2% (hits 1-7), 3% (final hit), 17% (max) → 2.2%, 4%, 19.4%). When combined with the introduction of the 1v1 multiplier, this improves the move's damage-racking ability and the final hit's KO potential.
    • Buff All of Duo Squall Hammer's hits come out earlier with slightly less gaps in between (frames 9, 13, 18, 22, 27, 32, 40, 53-54 → 10, 14, 18, 23, 28, 34, 40, 51-52).
    • Buff All of Solo Squall Hammer's hits come out earlier (frames 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 49, 56 (solo) → 10, 15, 21, 28, 37, 49-50). Although it has slightly more gaps in between (combined with the fact that Solo Squall Hammer now has 6 hits instead of 11), it now includes back hitboxes during the move which come out later than the frontal hits (frames 10, 15, 21, 28, 37 → 13, 18, 24, 32, 42) to offset that.
    • Nerf Squall Hammer grants much less vertical distance with button mashing, worsening its usage for recovery.
    • Nerf Duo Squall Hammer has more startup (frame 9 → 10) and ending lag (FAF 70 → 78).
    • Nerf Solo Squall Hammer deals less damage (2%/3% → 1.3%/2% (leader), 0.975%/1.5% (partner)).
    • Change Squall Hammer emits a twinkling sound effect when performed, especially with both Ice Climbers.
  • Belay:
    • Buff If the partner is separated from the leader off-stage, the partner will perform a directional air dodge to reach the ledge instead of typically using a Belay.
    • Buff Belay has increased tether recovering distance.
    • Buff The leader is no longer prevented from using the move if it is automatically performed by the partner.
    • Buff Belay covers slightly more distance with a solo-climber, and the solo-climber possesses more control while using it.
    • Buff Belay has less startup (frame 16 → 13).
    • Change When both Ice Climbers are present, the solo-climber covers more vertical distance, but less horizontal distance, making their recovery slightly more linear.
      • Buff The duo's faster air speed and improved aerial mobility nevertheless makes Belay less linear, improving their recovery.
    • Nerf Belay has a smaller hitbox (7.0u → 6.0u), making it harder to land against grounded opponents.
    • Change Belay uses a unique sound effect rather than regular jump sound from Ice Climber.
  • Blizzard:
    • Change Both Ice Climbers aim Blizzard forward while on the ground instead of aiming it in both respective directions, similar to their aerial version in previous installments. This increases its damage output when performed on the ground, but this means that Blizzard can no longer hit the opponents behind them, hindering its spacing potential and overall coverage.
    • Buff The universal changes to freezing duration result in Blizzard freezing opponents for a much longer period overall, no longer allowing the opponent to thaw out almost immediately.
    • Nerf It has more ending lag (FAF 80 → 85).
    • Nerf It deals less damage at point-blank proximity (2% → 1.8%).
    • Nerf It also no longer causes hitstun or freezes opponents when further from point-blank proximity, both removing its ability to lock and hindering its spacing potential simultaneously.
  • Iceberg:
    • Buff Iceberg spins and features a teetering Polar Bear that launches opponents with greater knockback. During the move, a Condor will circle the Iceberg around the top of the screen, which the Ice Climbers can grab onto, and it will also deal damage to opponents that touch it.
    • Buff Opponents can no longer damage the iceberg and make it recede.
    • Nerf Iceberg lasts a shorter duration. While this does make it less obstructive to the following Ice Climber, this makes it overall much easier for opponents to stall out and avoid entirely, while other changes made to the move make it less likely to cause problems for the partner Ice Climber anyway.
    • Change When paired, the Ice Climbers no longer emit a whooshing sound upon activating Iceberg.
    • Change The iceberg no longer has solid terrain, and instead utilizes stronger windboxes to push both opponents and the Ice Climbers out. This overall weakens the move's ability to interrupt recoveries, especially combined with the new vertical knockback, and prevents the Ice Climbers from standing on the peak. However, it also does not obstruct the Climbers as much, nor will it block ledges, making it less likely to cause the following climber to SD. In addition, it can no longer be performed to make the Ice Climbers clip through stage-objects, as this was caused by a pair of merging walls.
    • Buff The iceberg can be moved across the stage, although doing so can be risky if the Ice Climbers are not holding on to the Condor.
    • Nerf Iceberg no longer freezes opponents.
    • Nerf Iceberg no longer causes platforms to damage the opponents.

Update history

The Ice Climbers received a mix of buffs, nerfs and glitch fixes via game updates, but have been buffed slightly overall. Update 2.0.0 improved the partner climber's AI in order to make them follow the leading climber more reliably, though at the cost of making desyncing harder to perform. Aside from this, Belay's recovery potential was improved via its enlarged edge grabbox.

Following this, the Ice Climbers would not receive any noteworthy changes until update 9.0.0. This update decreased the partner's damage and knockback multipliers, which made them less susceptible to being separated from the leader. Belay was also improved noticeably, thanks to its tether recovery distance being lengthened and the leader no longer being inadvertently prevented from using it if the partner used it. Aside from these improvements, a few moves received quality-of-life buffs: dash attack has slightly more range and improved consistency, down smash's knockback was increased, and Squall Hammer will sweetspot edges earlier.

Lastly, update 13.0.1 granted the Ice Climbers a few decent buffs. Belay's start-up lag was decreased, which improved both its recovery potential and utility as a follow-up from up tilt. On a similar note, dash attack's overall lag was decreased, which made it safer and improved its utility for setting up aerial pressure. Lastly, down smash's knockback was increased yet again like in update 9.0.0.

Overall, the Ice Climbers fare mildly better than they did at the launch of Ultimate.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 1.2.0

  • The Ice Climbers have been affected, although the changes are currently unknown.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 2.0.0

  • Buff The partner Ice Climber's AI has been improved: the partner will now follow the main climber better.
    • Nerf This makes desyncs even harder to perform.
  • Buff The ledgegrab-box for Belay has been increased (X offset: 0u → -1u).
  • Bug fix Fixed a bug that allowed the partner climber to survive after the leader runs out of stocks.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 3.0.0

  • Change Partner climber's AI was adjusted.
    • Change The partner climber returns to the leader when grabbing an opponent.
    • Change Scenarios where desyncs would occur have changed.
  • Change The hitlag multiplier of the final hit of the partner climber's up tilt has been increased.
  • Buff Iceberg via the FS Meter deals more knockback.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 3.1.0

  • Change Ice Climbers recover midair jumps in the same way as other fighters.
  • Nerf Partner climber will no longer jump when pressing the jump button right after a grab. This removes its combo and 0-to death potential.
  • Bug fix An unknown glitch that launches the partner climber at significant high knockback has been fixed.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 4.0.0

  • Nerf Partner climber is no longer able to ledge trump opponents.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 5.0.0

  • Bug fix The partner can now ledge-trump opponents, fixing an issue introduced in 4.0.0.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 6.1.0

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 7.0.0

  • Buff Overall shield size has been increased.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 8.0.0

  • Buff Pummel has a larger hitbox (4.8u → 5.8u) that is placed further horizontally (Z offset: 6.4u → 7.4u), allowing it to connect more consistently.
  • Iceberg:
    • Buff Iceberg slows opponents more during startup.
    • Buff The Iceberg appears much faster, and the peak's hitbox size was increased.
    • Buff The Condor has a larger search radius (8u → 9.5u), making it easier to grab onto.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 9.0.0

  • Buff The partner climber takes less damage and knockback (1.05× → 1.02×), making them harder to separate.
  • Change The partner climber's AI behavior has been adjusted.
  • Dash attack:
    • Buff The outer hitbox has been extended forward (Y offset: 5u → 5u—7.5u), increasing its range.
    • Buff It has increased hitlag (1× → 1.2×), allowing both climbers' dash attacks to connect more reliably.
  • Buff Down smash has more base knockback (45 → 50).
  • Buff Squall Hammer sweetspots edges earlier (frame 61/63 → 55/57).
  • Belay:
    • Buff Belay has increased tether recovery distance.
    • Buff The player is no longer prevented from using the move if it is automatically used by the partner climber.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 13.0.1

  • Buff Down smash has higher knockback scaling (100 → 105 (Popo), 120 → 126 (Nana)).
  • Buff Dash attack has less startup (frame 11 → 9, FAF 42 → 40).
  • Buff Belay has less startup (frame 16 → 13).

Moveset

  • Although the Ice Climbers have among the lowest traction in the game, their traction is completely unaffected by slippery terrain, such as ice.
  • The partner Ice Climber will taunt whenever the leader throws an opponent.
    • Additionally, when the leader Ice Climber is grabbed, the partner will panic.

For a gallery of the Ice Climbers' hitboxes, see here.

Note: All numbers are listed as base damage, without the 1v1 multiplier.

  Name Damage Description
Neutral attack Right Sweep (右はらい) / Left Sweep (左はらい) leader: 2%
partner: 1.5%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally, and then vertically. A great "get off me" tool that does decent damage to boot.
leader: 3.5%
partner 2.625%
Forward tilt Side Strike (横たたき) leader: 9%
partner: 6.75%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally. Has high knockback growth, being able to KO at around 80%-90% at the ledge on most characters.
Up tilt Hammer Spin (くるくるハンマー, Spinning Hammer) leader: 0.8% (hits 1 - 6), 4% (hit 7)
partner: 0.6% (hits 1 - 6), 3% (hit 7)		 The Ice Climbers twirl their hammers over their heads. This creates a lingering hitbox that hits multiple times. A useful combo starter that can begin a chain of up aerials.
Down tilt Shin Attack (スネたたき) leader: 6%
partner: 4.5%		 The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers across the ground in front of themselves. A steep semi-spike that functions very well as both a poking option in neutral and edgeguarding option, thanks to its quick startup, decent range, and low endlag.
Dash attack Dash Strike (ダッシュたたき) leader: 6%
partner: 4.5%		 The Ice Climbers leap forward, swinging their hammers in front of themselves. It deals mostly vertical knockback that can start combos, but has weak knockback and is ineffective for KOing.
Forward smash Stake Smash (クイ打ち) leader: 12%
partner: 9%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers down in front of themselves similar to their original attack in Ice Climber.
Up smash Icicle Crasher (つらら割り) leader: 11% (hammer), 9% (body)
partner: 8.25% (hammer), 6.25% (body)		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers in an overhead arc. Useful for catching an opponent's landings.
Down smash Hammer Sweep (足もと打ち, Leg Strike) leader: 13%
partner: 9.75%		 The Ice Climbers sweep their hammers across the ground in a specific direction (the leader attacks in front, while the partner attacks behind). If the partner is absent, however, this move will only hit on one side.
Neutral aerial Climber Turn (クライマーターン) leader: 7%
partner: 5.25%		 The Ice Climbers spin in place with their hammers outstretched.
Forward aerial Hammer Slam (ハンマードロップ, Hammer Drop) leader: 12%
partner: 12% (sweetspot), 9% (sourspot)		 They perform a somersaulting overhead swing of their hammers in a manner similar to their forward smash. The partner's hammer has a sweetspot that can meteor smash opponents.
Back aerial Reverse Strike (ふりむきたたき) leader: 10%
partner: 7.5%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers horizontally behind themselves. Both hits are extremely safe on shield, with the secondary climber's hit being one of the few moves that is positive on shield.
Up aerial Overhead Sweep (頭上はらい) leader: 9%
partner: 6.75%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers above themselves in an arc. An excellent juggle tool that can quickly rack up damage both desynced and synced, and can even function as a KO confirm from down throw at around 70% on most characters.
Down aerial Hammer Swoop (急降下ハンマー) leader: 8%
partner: 6%		 The Ice Climbers hold their hammers below themselves and fall downward. A stall-then-fall, though with a slower traveling speed than similar attacks of its kind; additionally, it is unable to meteor smash at all, unlike most attacks of its kind. The hitbox covers most of the Ice Climber's body, making it good for punishing opponents who attempt to juggle. As a result, it is usually used as a niche landing option.
Grab Grab (つかみ) — The leader reaches in front of themselves with their free hand. The leader's grab range is the shortest in the game.
Pummel Grab Headbutt (つかみ頭突き) 1% A headbutt. The partner takes no action at all.
Forward throw Hockey Shot (ホッケーショット) 3% (hit), 5% (throw) The leader knocks the opponent away with their hammer.
Back throw Snowy Mountain Throw (雪山投げ) 6% The leader throws the opponent behind themselves.
Up throw Grab Icicle Crasher (つかみつらら割り) 3% (hit), 5% (throw) The leader tosses the opponent upward and hits them with their hammer. It has the second highest base knockback of any up throw, but the weakest knockback growth, rendering it incapable at KOing, even at very high percents.
Down throw Avalanche Crusher (なだれつぶし) 6% The leader lifts the opponent over their head with both hands and slams them on the ground. The Ice Climbers' only throw with KO potential, it can KO middleweights at around 214% on Final Destination. It is also effective for starting combos, especially when desynced.
Forward roll
Back roll
Spot dodge
Air dodge 		— —
Techs — —
Floor attack (front)
Floor getups (front) 		  leader: 7%
partner: 5.25%		 The Ice Climbers swing their hammers around themselves as they get up.
Floor attack (back)
Floor getups (back) 		  leader: 7%
partner: 5.25%		 Same as the frontal floor attack.
Floor attack (trip)
Floor getups (trip) 		  leader: 5%
partner: 3.75%		 Gets up and spins around, hitting with their hammers.
Edge attack
Edge getups 		  leader: 8%
partner: 6%		 The Ice Climbers climb up and slam their hammers in front of themselves.
Neutral special Ice Shot 3.5-2.2% (ice chunks), 3.5% (hammers) Each Ice Climber summons a small stalagmite of ice and hits it with their hammer, causing it to slide along the ground, gradually shrinking as it travels. It bounces off walls and shields. If attacked by an opponent, the ice rebound and will hurt the Ice Climbers if they touch it. The ice can freeze opponents at high percents. The first midair use will pop the Ice Climbers up slightly.
Side special Squall Hammer both: 2.2% (loop), 4% (last)
leader: 1.3% (loop), 2% (last)
partner: 0.975% (loop), 1.5% (last)		 The Ice Climbers stand back-to-back while spinning around an axis with their hammers outstretched, hitting opponents multiple times. The attack is concluded with them swinging their hammers upward, which launches opponents away. By repeatedly tapping the special move button, the Ice Climbers will rise in the air, allowing them to recover. This, however, also renders them helpless. If only one Climber is present, the move deals less damage and reduced knockback, and gains less height. Squall Hammer is usually used as a method to begin desyncs, and can trap opponents between each Ice Climber once a desync is achieved.
Up special Belay 16% (partner) The leading Ice Climber throws the partner the air with a rope. The partner then pulls the leader upwards. If there is a nearby edge, the partner will target it, and then proceed to pull the leader to the ledge as well. While rising, the partner is invincible, allowing for a safe recovery for both Ice Climbers; additionally, the partner Ice Climber possesses a hitbox that deals powerful vertical knockback, though it is rather difficult to use as a combo finisher due to the difficulty of aiming the partner. Without a partner, the move will grant essentially no distance. Each Ice Climber becomes helpless after the move is used.
Down special Blizzard both: 1% (far loop), 1.8% (close loop) The Ice Climbers blow a gust of cold air in front of themselves, potentially freezing opponents. If used on an already frozen opponent, they will remain frozen for slightly longer. With both Ice Climbers present, this move can deal a maximum of 31.5%, though it is also a risky move due to its duration.
Final Smash Iceberg 13% (peak, rising), 11%/9%/7% (iceberg), 16% (Polar Bear), 5% (Condor) The Ice Climbers summon a rotating iceberg to rise up from the center of the stage. For the duration of the Final Smash, it can be moved left and right. The range of how far it can move is shown by the mist. The iceberg deals damage to opponents who touch it: the closer they are towards the top, the more damage they take. Towards the base of the iceberg is a Polar Bear, which has high launching power. A Condor also appears, flying above, which the Ice Climbers can grab onto. This allows the iceberg to be more easily controlled without worry of self destruction, although the partner will be at risk of potentially being pushed offstage if they fail to grab it. Upon ending, the iceberg will lower itself, and the Condor will fly off to the side of the stage.

Announcer call

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  • English

  • Japanese/Chinese

  • Korean

On-screen appearance

  • The Condor flies in with them hanging off its feet. They then jump off while high fiving each other, and the Condor flies off.
  • Ice Climbers' on-screen appearance

    Ice Climbers' on-screen appearance

Taunts

  • Up taunt: They set down their hammers and jump up and down once. This is their victory animation during the results screen in Ice Climber.
  • Side taunt: They point their hammers diagonally upward and shout "Yup!", as the wind blows behind them.
  • Down taunt: They dance in a circle.
  • Ice Climbers' up taunt.

    Ice Climbers' up taunt.

  • Ice Climbers' side taunt.

    Ice Climbers' side taunt.

  • Ice Climbers' down taunt.

    Ice Climbers' down taunt.

Idle poses

  • Both twirl their hammers.
  • Popo looks backward curiously.
  • Ice Climbers' first idle pose.

    Ice Climbers' first idle pose.

  • Ice Climbers' second idle pose.

    Ice Climbers' second idle pose.

Crowd cheer

Cheer (English) Cheer (Japanese/Chinese) Cheer (Italian) Cheer (Dutch) Cheer (French)
Cheer Custom combination of the flags of Canada, the USA, and Mexico.

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Description I scream, you scream, Ice Climb - ers! Ice Climb - er! Na - na! Po - po! Ice - Ice - Climbers! Na - na! Po - po!
Cheer (German) Cheer (Spanish) Cheer (Russian) Cheer (Korean)
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Custom combination of the flags of Canada, the USA, and Mexico.

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Description Na - na! Pe - pe! Naaaa - na! Poooo - po! Nana! Popo! Eol - eum Ta - gi!

Victory poses

  • Left: Both jump up and down infinitely. Based on their victory animation in Ice Climber, similar to their up taunt.
  • Up: Both nod and high-five one another before facing the camera.
  • Right: Nana hides behind Popo, only showing her face as Popo shifts from left to right.
The second half of the track that plays when Popo or Nana grab the feet of the Condor at the end of a bonus stage in Ice Climber.
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In competitive play

Most historically significant players

See also: Category:Ice Climbers players (SSBU)

  • Canada Big D - The best Ice Climbers player of all-time and the only Ice Climbers player ever ranked top 100 on a global ranking, ranking as high as 19th on the UltRank 2022.
  • Japan Harasen - One of the best Ice Climber players in Japan since mid-2022, although he has lower activity and peaks than FNKA. He has placed well at several majors, including placing 13th at the supermajor Umebura SP 9 and 25th at the supermajor DELTA 4.
  • Japan Futari no Kiwami Ah~! - One of the all-time best Ice Climbers players in Japan who uses a more synced playstyle. Although inconsistent, he has the highest peaks out of any other Japanese Ice Climbers player, placing 5th at the majors Kagaribi 8 and Seibugeki 12.
  • Japan Kie - Co-mains Ice Climbers with Peach and was considered the best Ice Climbers player in Japan during the early metagame. Placed 2nd at Sumabato SP 3, 3rd at Sumabato SP 4, 4th at Sumabato SP 15, 7th at Sumabato SP 2, and 25th at Umebura Japan Major 2019. Ranked 52nd on the Japan Player Rankings.
  • Japan murasat - Known for his contributions to the Ice Climbers metagame. Although his performance isn't as good as other Japanese Ice Climbers players, he has still seen some respectable results including 25th at the superregionals Kagaribi and Seibugeki 8.

Tier placement and history

Prior to Ultimate's release, players were quick to notify that the Ice Climbers lost their most devastating attributes from Brawl and Melee: their infamous zero-to-death chain grabbing and wobbling, respectively. When combined with the changes to gameplay-based mechanics during the transition from Brawl to Ultimate that either heavily impaired or altogether removed several of their infamous tactics, this caused players to believe that the Ice Climbers wouldn't be viable, a belief that held on throughout the early metagame.

Upon Ultimate's release, the Ice Climbers' competitive perception, which was estimated to be poor, has dwindled even further and, in turn for worse, became more significant than most would think. Several of the cast have immediately acknowledged their retained weakness (which have also been more pronounced): the infamous difficulty of maintaining both climbers in a single stock, the partner's vulnerability, their steep learning curve, poor endurance, slow aerial mobility, their vulnerability to camping and the severe handicaps brought to the leader if the partner dies during the stock, as well as the removal of several quirky combos and zero-to-deaths involving the partner from previous installments. As such, the Ice Climbers’ representation was minuscule, and all the players who mained the duo in Brawl have completely dropped them in favour of other characters. As a result, the general consensus have widely perceived them to be either low or bottom-tier.

A few months after release, the duo's playerbase and competitive scene started to make surprising breakthroughs: with the few that stuck with them discovering new desynching setup and damaging combos, as well as new versatile zero-to-deaths off of desyncs. In turn, players such as Big D, Kie, murasat, Daiki and ???? have picked up the duo, received excellent results in tournaments using the character; the former, in particular, have mastered the duo enough to the point that the Ice Climbers can beat almost every match-up across the board once their desynced zero-to-deaths has been pulled off out of a grab. As a result, the Ice Climbers' improving results have gradually improved the community's perception on the duo, with the general consensus believing that the Ice Climbers are either upper mid-tier or high-tier at least, like in their days of Melee, which is a notable improvement compared to their initial low-tier status. Overall, the Ice Climbers remain as characters that should not be underestimated, although not to the extent of Melee and Brawl, ranking 56th on the first and current tier list.

Classic Mode: Duos for Days

Ice Climbers' congratulations screen.

Referencing themselves being duos, Ice Climbers fight two characters from a given universe in each stage. To go with the duo theme, both Master Hand and Crazy Hand are fought regardless of the difficulty.

Round Opponent Stage Music
1 LinkHeadSSBU.png Link and ZeldaHeadSSBU.png Zelda Great Plateau Tower Main Theme - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2 RyuHeadSSBU.png Ryu and KenHeadSSBU.png Ken Suzaku Castle Ryu Stage
3 VillagerHeadSSBU.png Villager and IsabelleHeadSSBU.png Isabelle Smashville Title Theme - Animal Crossing: Wild World (Brawl)
4 DonkeyKongHeadSSBU.png Donkey Kong and DiddyKongHeadSSBU.png Diddy Kong Jungle Japes Jungle Level (Melee)
5 PalutenaHeadSSBU.png Palutena and PitHeadSSBU.png Pit Palutena's Temple Title Theme - Kid Icarus
6 MarioHeadSSBU.png Mario and PeachHeadSSBU.png Peach Princess Peach's Castle Main Theme - New Super Mario Bros.
Bonus Stage
Final Master Hand and Crazy Hand Final Destination Master Hand / Crazy Hand

Credits roll after completing Classic Mode. Completing it as the Ice Climbers has Ice Climber (Brawl) accompany the credits.

Role in World of Light

Finding the Ice Climbers in World of Light

Although the Ice Climbers are absent from the World of Light opening cutscene, they were vaporized and later imprisoned alongside the rest of the fighters (sans Kirby) when Galeem unleashed his beams of light.

The Ice Climbers are unlocked in the southern portion of the snowy mountain area. Unlocking them eliminates the ice paths so they can be traversed in both directions, as well as opening a path to the hidden forest.

Fighter Battle

No. Image Name Type Power Stage Music
15
Ice Climbers SSBU.png
 Ice Climbers
Grab
Grab
 7,500 Summit (Ω form) Ice Climber (Brawl)

Spirit

The Ice Climbers' fighter spirit can be obtained by completing Classic Mode. It is also available periodically for purchase in the shop for 300 Gold, but only after Ice Climbers have been unlocked. Unlocking the Ice Climbers in World of Light allows the player to preview the spirit below in the Spirit List under the name "???". As a fighter spirit, it cannot be used in Spirit Battles and is purely aesthetic. Their fighter spirit has an alternate version that replaces it with their artwork in Ultimate.

  • 606. Ice Climbers

    606. Ice Climbers

In Spirit Battles

Conditions in italic aren't listed on the Spirit Battle preview screen.

As the main opponents

Spirit Battle parameters Inspiration
No. Image Name Series Enemy Fighter(s) Type Power Stage Rules Conditions Music Character
114
SSBU spirit Freezie.png
 Freezie Mario Bros. Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadWhiteSSBU.png
Grab
 1,600 Mario Bros. (Battlefield form) •Item: Freezie •The enemy starts the battle with a Freezie Mario Bros.
373
SSBU spirit Mr. Frosty.png
 Mr. Frosty Kirby Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadIndigoSSBU.png (80 HP)
Shield
 2,200 Dream Land (Battlefield form) •Hazard: Ice Floor •The floor is frozen
•The enemy's ice and water attacks have increased power
•Stamina battle 		Ice Cream Island
457
SSBU spirit Lapras.png
 Lapras Pokémon Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBU.png
Shield
 3,800 Wuhu Island (Rocks at sea) •Buoyancy Reduced •You can't swim Pokémon Red / Pokémon Blue Medley
531
SSBU spirit Kyurem.png
 Kyurem Pokémon Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadWhiteSSBU.png
Shield
 4,700 Summit (Battlefield form) •Hazard: Ice Floor •The floor is frozen
•Timed battle (1:30)
•The enemy favors special moves 		Battle! (Reshiram / Zekrom)
860
SSBU spirit Cyrus & Reese.png
 Cyrus & Reese Animal Crossing Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadRedSSBU.png
Shield
 9,400 Smashville •Item Tidal Wave
•Hazard: Low Gravity 		•Gravity is reduced
•Certain items will appear in large numbers after a little while 		2:00 a.m. - Animal Crossing: Wild World Reese (Nana), Cyrus (Popo)
878
SSBU spirit Ice Man.png
 Ice Man Mega Man Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadWhiteSSBU.png (140 HP)
Shield
 4,600 Summit (Battlefield form) •Hazard: Ice Floor •The floor is frozen
•The enemy's ice and water attacks have increased power
•The enemy has super armor and is hard to launch or make flinch
•Stamina battle 		Ice Man Stage
1,099
SSBU spirit Duon.png
 Duon Super Smash Bros. Series •Giant Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadRedSSBU.png (150 HP)
Attack
 4,100 Halberd (Ship deck) •Item: Shooting Types •Stamina battle
•The enemy's shooting items have increased power
•The enemy is giant 		Boss Battle Song 1 Duon's gun side (Nana) and sword side (Popo)
1,137
olaf
 Olaf Advance Wars Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBU.png
Shield
 2,200 Summit (Battlefield form) •Move Speed ↓
•Hazard: Ice Floor 		•The floor is frozen
•You have reduced move speed after a little while
•The enemy starts the battle with a Steel Diver 		Filled with Hope
1,308
SSBU spirit Caroline & Justine.png
 Caroline & Justine Persona Series •Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBU.png
Shield
 9,700 Kalos Pokémon League (hazards off) •Sudden Damage •You take serious damage after a little while
•Timed battle (1:00) 		Aria of the Soul

As minions

Spirit Battle parameters Inspiration
No. Image Name Series Enemy Fighter(s) Type Power Stage Rules Conditions Music Character
607
SSBU spirit Condor.png
 Condor Ice Climber Series •Ridley RidleyHeadRedSSBU.png (80 HP)
•Ice Climbers IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBU.png (80 HP)
Neutral
 4,500 Summit (Battlefield form) •Hazard: Ice Floor •Defeat the main fighter to win
•The floor is frozen
•Timed stamina battle (1:00) 		Ice Climber (Brawl) Ice Climbers

Alternate costumes

Their 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th costumes swap Popo and Nana, making Nana controllable. The stock icons and character select portraits change to reflect this. Popo and Nana act separately in terms of their costume's color.

Ice Climbers Palette (SSBU).png
IceClimbersHeadSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadBlueSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadGreenSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadIndigoSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadRedSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadBrownSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadWhiteSSBU.png IceClimbersHeadOrangeSSBU.png

Gallery

Fighter Showcase Video

Trivia

  • One of the Ice Climbers' preview pictures shows them using Blizzard against a Metroid, referencing the species' weakness to cold in the Metroid series.
  • When the lead climber is grabbing and pummeling an opponent, the partner's animation will lag for every pummel hit.
  • Hitting the accompanying Ice Climber will not cause controllers to shake if the vibration setting is turned on. This applies to everything from normal attacks, throws, or Final Smashes.
  • When played on the world map for World of Light, only the leading Ice Climber appears.
  • If the partner is caught in a non-cutscene trapping Final Smash (such as Triforce Slash, Great Aether, or Omnislash) and the leader is KO'd, the partner will disappear, leaving the opponent attacking nothing. A similar situation occurs in Brawl.
  • When getting hit from behind, the Ice Climbers' back-hitting/wall bounce hitstun animation causes them to freeze for a brief moment before going into their tumbling animation. This is due to additional frames being added past the final point of the animation.
    • The animation itself mimics how hitstun animations worked from Smash 64 to Brawl.
    • The freeze itself is a reference to the duo's dying animation in Ice Climber, in which they freeze for a brief moment after touching an enemy.
  • When navigating the camera around the Ice Climbers during certain animations, such as their ledge hanging animations, the fur trim on the bottom of their coats and around their wrists seem to detach from their jacket, exposing multiple gaps.[1] There are also gaps when looking at their face at certain angles between the fur trim.
    • Additionally, zooming in on Popo's face reveals a gap between his hair and fur trim.
    • Also, looking closely at Nana's hair reveals a small gap underneath between her hair and forehead.
  • In a Stock or Stamina battle, if the leading Ice Climber gets KO'd, the vanishing effects of the partner do not appear whenever the leader respawns.
  • If one looks closely at one of the Ice Climber's non-leading feet during their tech wall jump animation, it twists the other way during the move. This can be more easily seen if the match is currently slowed down.
  • While most other characters have the announcer say "(character) wins!" at the victory screen, the Ice Climbers have the announcer say "Ice Climbers win!" The "(character) win!" audio clip is usually reserved for the Japanese version, though it is most likely used with the Ice Climbers because of their two-in-one nature and name. Rosalina & Luma and Banjo & Kazooie also share this distinction.
    • In Spanish, French, German, and Italian, the name tag and voice clip from the announcer on the victory screen is slightly different from the one used on the character select screen, instead featuring a noticeable translation of "the" (los, les, die, and gli Ice Climbers, respectively). This trait is shared with Wii Fit Trainer, Pokémon Trainer, Villager, Inkling, Hero, Zombie, Enderman, and the Mii Fighters.
  • In the Ice Climbers' battle portrait, the partner Ice Climber is slightly lower than they are in their full artwork, in order to make their face fully visible. Banjo & Kazooie are the only other fighter with such an edit.
  • The AI level for the partner Ice Climber (Nana by default) is 77 out of 100, which is slightly higher than a level 8 CPU (75 out of 100); the non-standard number is likely a pun on Nana's name, as one of the ways to say seven in Japanese is "なな (nana)".[2]
  • While most characters have two different sets of knockback-based voice clips, the Ice Climbers are the only exception to this rule as they use either their low or high knockback voice clips or remain silent, regardless of their knockback speed.
    • Additionally, the Ice Climbers are the only characters that retain their voice clips from Brawl but do not make use of their unused knockback voice clips, a trait shared with Link, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf from Smash 4.
      • When Popo is the leader, they vocalize their medium and one of the heavy knockbacks based on a small probability. Both are missing a light knockback and 1 heavy knockback which goes unused in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and also in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
  • The Ice Climbers are the only characters who have fewer dash-to-run frames when performing a pivot dash instead of a regular dash.
  • When playing on a custom stage, there's a visual glitch in the Ice Climber's on-screen appearance where the Condor does not disappear and only does so once "GO!" appears on the screen.
  • If both Ice Climbers perform a smash attack with the Home-Run Bat, Nana will vocalize first, which is during the windup rather than before the swing. This is a carryover from Brawl, where all characters will grunt during the windup animation. This is shared with Falco.
  • If Nana is the leader, the Ice Climbers' knockback voice clips won't play for unknown reasons.
  • The Ice Climbers' description on the North American amiibo website is based on their trophy description from Melee.
  • Instead of being supported by a clear stand on their amiibo, the Ice Climbers are instead supported by a blue iceberg, which is not present in their official render.
  • The Ice Climbers are the only characters who wield weapons at all times to be affected by stance mirroring.
  • The Ice Climbers seen in Sora's reveal trailer after everyone has been turned back into trophies are actually two Popos.
  • During Palutena's Guidance regarding the Ice Climbers, Pit assumes that their absence in SSB4 was due to illegal teaming. This dialogue is a humorous reference to the Ice Climbers being cut due to the consistent technical issues that Masahiro Sakurai and the development team faced when attempting to make them function properly in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS.
  • When functioning as the partner climber, Popo and Nana are the only characters capable of dashing through other characters in Ultimate.
  • When one Ice Climber gets KO'd off the top blast line, the other Ice Climber has a greater chance of being KO'd the same way. For example, if the leader were to get Screen KO'd, the partner likely would as well, instead of the usual completely random chance.
  • If Sephiroth uses Shadow Flare against the AI-controlled Ice Climber, they will flinch and take the initial damage, but the shadowy orbs that normally follow from this attack will not appear.

References

  1. ^ [1]
  2. ^ Meshima on Twitter: Nana AI level is 77 out of 100, slightly smarter than lv.8 CPU having 75. Probably the number of 77 comes from Japanese pronunciation (7 = "na" or "nana").


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IceClimberSymbol.svg Ice Climber universe
Fighter Ice Climbers (SSBM · SSBB · SSBU)
Stages Icicle Mountain · Summit
Items Vegetables
Enemies Polar Bear · Topi
Other Condor
Trophies, Stickers and Spirits Trophies (SSBM · SSBB) · Stickers · Spirits
Music Brawl · Ultimate
Masterpiece Ice Climber
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