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"Common" does not mean "clear consensus", and seeing one of the biggest criticisms of PAL is how the floaties become too good after the nerfs to the spacies and Marth, it's certainly valid to say Puff being the best PAL is a common viewpoint.
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Omega Tyrant (talk | contribs) m ("Common" does not mean "clear consensus", and seeing one of the biggest criticisms of PAL is how the floaties become too good after the nerfs to the spacies and Marth, it's certainly valid to say Puff being the best PAL is a common viewpoint.) |
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However, most members of the ''Melee'' community do not support a Jigglypuff ban. They argue that Hungrybox's success in tournaments is due to his skill as a player, rather than Jigglypuff being a broken character. They also cite the relative lack of top Jigglypuff players as evidence of Hungrybox's exceptional success with the character, and that if Jigglypuff was truly broken, competitive ''Melee'' players would still play it regardless if it was "boring," as evidenced by the numerous {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}} who used [[wobbling]] in tournaments, despite vocally being against the technique from a game design standpoint. They argue that Jigglypuff does not hurt the scene or turn off spectators from watching tournaments, pointing to the fact that ''Melee'' tournaments have seen an increase in both attendance and viewership since 2015, and that Hungrybox's dominance with Jigglypuff is no worse than the historical dominance of other players' characters, such as Armada's {{SSBM|Peach}}. Opponents of a ban argue that removing Jigglypuff from tournaments would unfairly target Hungrybox, and that other top players should adopt a more patient playstyle in order to beat him. | However, most members of the ''Melee'' community do not support a Jigglypuff ban. They argue that Hungrybox's success in tournaments is due to his skill as a player, rather than Jigglypuff being a broken character. They also cite the relative lack of top Jigglypuff players as evidence of Hungrybox's exceptional success with the character, and that if Jigglypuff was truly broken, competitive ''Melee'' players would still play it regardless if it was "boring," as evidenced by the numerous {{SSBM|Ice Climbers}} who used [[wobbling]] in tournaments, despite vocally being against the technique from a game design standpoint. They argue that Jigglypuff does not hurt the scene or turn off spectators from watching tournaments, pointing to the fact that ''Melee'' tournaments have seen an increase in both attendance and viewership since 2015, and that Hungrybox's dominance with Jigglypuff is no worse than the historical dominance of other players' characters, such as Armada's {{SSBM|Peach}}. Opponents of a ban argue that removing Jigglypuff from tournaments would unfairly target Hungrybox, and that other top players should adopt a more patient playstyle in order to beat him. | ||
====PAL viability==== | ====PAL viability==== | ||
Jigglypuff itself is unchanged from the NTSC version. It can now take damage from {{SSBM|Bowser}}'s down throw due to the changes in the throw's properties, but this is not any sort of meaningful nerf, due to both Bowser being a rarity in competitive play and the throw not being any good in the first place. However, Jigglypuff benefits indirectly from the nerfs to other top-tiered characters, who either have weakened KO options ({{SSBM|Sheik}}), have decreased aerial drift ({{SSBM|Marth}}) or recovery distance, or a combination of the three ({{SSBM|Fox}}). On the [[PAL tier list]], last updated in 2015, Jigglypuff ranks 4th, a slight improvement over its ranking on NTSC tier list iterations from that time period, when it ranked 5th; however, metagame development in the NTSC versions since then have propelled Jigglypuff to 3rd place on its [[List of SSBM tier lists (NTSC)#Thirteenth tier list (March 29th, 2021)|tier list]], and | Jigglypuff itself is unchanged from the NTSC version. It can now take damage from {{SSBM|Bowser}}'s down throw due to the changes in the throw's properties, but this is not any sort of meaningful nerf, due to both Bowser being a rarity in competitive play and the throw not being any good in the first place. However, Jigglypuff benefits indirectly from the nerfs to other top-tiered characters, who either have weakened KO options ({{SSBM|Sheik}}), have decreased aerial drift ({{SSBM|Marth}}) or recovery distance, or a combination of the three ({{SSBM|Fox}}). On the [[PAL tier list]], last updated in 2015, Jigglypuff ranks 4th, a slight improvement over its ranking on NTSC tier list iterations from that time period, when it ranked 5th; however, metagame development in the NTSC versions since then have propelled Jigglypuff to 3rd place on its [[List of SSBM tier lists (NTSC)#Thirteenth tier list (March 29th, 2021)|tier list]], and it's a common opinion nowadays that Jigglypuff is actually the best character in the PAL version. Jigglypuff's tournament representation in PAL is roughly the same as in NTSC despite this, with only a handful of top Jigglypuff mains (notably {{Sm|Hack}} and {{Sm|Tekk}}) and a small pool of lower-leveled ones, though the few that play the character at the highest levels of play place well with it. | ||
==In 1-P Mode== | ==In 1-P Mode== | ||