User talk:Zeldasmash/Rejected Characters

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I sense fanboy

Don't you?--MegaTron1XD:p 16:51, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Yup pretty much. No offense ZS but these results suck so bad. I mean how the hell does he have an advantage against Dedede and sheik when they're big gimpers in the game and that Link is the easiest to gimp in the game. Doc King (talk) 16:54, 11 November 2010 (EST)
>:( Ok

King Dedede. Link is a decent comboer and can combo him. Link's extremely high vertical survivability and King Dedede (for me) is a better vertical killer. And most importantly, LINK"S Z-AIR, Link's most useful move on Dedede which can combo him into a DACUS, which is another thing. And he once had a 60:40 against him, so this isnt the first time you saw a 60:40 with Link against Dedede. Sheik. Lightweight + Z-Air + DACUS + Fastfaller (Sheik) = D-Air KO. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:07, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Dude, Dedede has amazing chain throwing ability against Link and can gimp him so easy. Sheik can tilt lock him and is a good gimper which destroys Link. Dedede can also kill horizontally. Doc King (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2010 (EST)

I came to just pop in, and I must say, these matchups are horribly biased. There's simply no way Link would have a 60:40 matchup against Dedede and a 60:40 matchup average. In case you forgot, Dedede's primary vertical killer, his u-tilt, has very high knockback scaling, so Link's vertical momentum cancelling won't help much against it. But Dedede isn't going to be killing Link with that. Link is going to get killed by Dedede's fair and bair WoPs, which Link's vertical MC won't help against at all. And Dedede's vertical endurance is even greater than Link's, so you're not going to kill him so easily with your dair. Dedede's chain throw is also going to have a much bigger impact on the matchup than Link's zair and DACUS. And another thing, Dedede's Waddle Dees would work well at protecting him from Link's projectiles.

Anyway, it's fine and such to think your character is underrated, but there's a difference between that and being just outright delusional about them, the latter of which is poisonous to your game with that character imo. Garo108 17:27, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Look at Dededes Matchup with Link Zeldasmash (talk) 17:43, 11 November 2010 (EST)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Character Matchups
  MetaKnightHead.png SnakeHead.png FalcoHead.png File:DededeHead.png File:GWHead.png MarthHead.png File:DiddyHead.png WarioHead.png ROBHead.png LucarioHead.png OlimarHead.png PikachuHead.png KirbyHead.png File:DKHead.png IceClimbersHead.png File:ZSSHead.png ToonLinkHead.png PitHead.png PeachHead.png WolfHead.png LuigiHead.png ZeldaHead.png BowserHead.png FoxHead.png SheikHead.png IkeHead.png MarioHead.png LucasHead.png NessHead.png SamusHead.png SonicHead.png File:PTHead.png CharizardHead.png IvysaurHead.png SquirtleHead.png YoshiHead.png LinkHead.png JigglypuffHead.png GanondorfHead.png File:CFalconHead.png Avg.  
File:DededeHead.png 40:60 60:40 35:65 Mirror match 40:60 55:45 40:60 45:55 55:45 60:40 40:60 35:65 40:60 Semi-Easy 30:70 45:55 55:45 55:45 50:50 70:30 Semi-Easy 40:60 Semi-Easy 50:50 55:45 70:30 Semi-Easy 55:45 60:40 Semi-Hard Semi-Hard 55:45 60:40 60:40 45:55 55:45 Neutral 55:45 Semi-Easy Semi-Easy 50:50 File:DededeHead.png
LinkHead.png 30:70 50:50 30:70 60:40 Semi-Hard Semi-Hard 50:50 40:60 Semi-Hard 40:60 Semi-Hard Neutral 30:70 60:40 Neutral 40:60 40:60 Semi-Hard Semi-Easy 40:60 Semi-Easy Semi-Hard Semi-Easy 35:65 Semi-Hard Semi-Easy Neutral Semi-Easy Semi-Easy 55:45 Semi-Easy 50:50 60:40 55:45 40:60 Semi-Easy Mirror match Neutral Semi-Easy Semi-Easy 45:55 LinkHead.png
Your matchupes are not proof of this, k? We also do not use SH signs for this. Matchup we have says 75:25 in DDD's favor. Bleh.--MegaTron1XD:p 17:44, 11 November 2010 (EST)


This is in userspace and not against any rules; therefore ZS is pretty much allowed to completely ignore everything but his own opinions/rules. I suggest people that don't agree simply stay away so we don't get pointless bickering. Toomai Glittershine Data Node 17:46, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Toomai, me and ZS are just pointing out that his stuff is useless and doesn't affect anything (basically helping him). I think we should just ignore him and just have him make all of this garbage with no one to support it and then he'll learn that fanon doesn't mean anything about Tiers or matchups. Doc King (talk) 17:51, 11 November 2010 (EST)
Doc your starting to piss me off with that attitude. Just dont agree and thats it. Damn, seriously, just dont agree and end of discussion. Zeldasmash (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2010 (EST)
I just thought I would give my opinion on this. If Zeldasmash chooses to not listen to it, that's fine. I don't intend to argue here anyway. I must ask though, Zeldasmash has an awful lot of user subpages, is this considered excessive by the Wiki, or is it acceptable? Garo108 18:10, 11 November 2010 (EST)
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