Talk:Fighter/Archive 1

Representation of names of character

well somebody like the full name of some characters, like Samus Aran and so on. But since the titles in the games just denote them as Samus, Fox, I think we should stick to the names used in the character selections. The name Princess Peach seems unfit for the page, And you definitely wouldn't call Zamus Zero Suit Samus Aran ^_^ So its a bit better if just we leave the full names to the detail discriptioins~

Agree ??

Re: Deleting a page

How do you delete a page? i've never done this before......experiments in Smashwiki, round 1! --MaskedMarth 15:52, October 17, 2006 (GMT)

Only a sysop can do it. --nealdt 18:07, October 17, 2006 (GMT)

o well....so for the time being, this is the shortest article on wikipedia! ^_^ --MaskedMarth 00:55, October 19, 2006 (GMT)

oh, me ^_^ – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 23:08, February 7, 2007 (GMT)

Non-Playable Characters in Brawl

As only the ATs and the Pokeballs are confirmed as non-playable characters, shouldn't the others in there not be added until we have complete confirmation? There's still a lot of speculation going on with them, esecially the AC characters, and although we have evidence that they may not be playable, it is by no means confirmed.

spike

alright I didnt want to go to all of their pages but after some recearch I found that all down aerials have some sorta spikeing propretys and I thought that I would go through after hearing from some others (the only one that I found that didnt have spike props was Link cause his dair doesnt do anything like one)

contact jmooresf@msn.com

Character Artwork

I was going through the Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee character articles, and noticed, they don't have official artwork. I have ALL the character artwork from both Super Smash Bros. and the sequel, so, I can upload them. However, in case those other Images are there for a reason, I wanted to check here first if it was OK. - Pokemon DP

I think all that artwork would be great in the fighter articles to use in the templates. The other images are there to show how they actually look in gameplay, which can be pretty different from the artwork (like Melee Bowser), so it'd make sense to move them all down lower in each article so that there's two images per fighter page. Erik the Appreciator 13:46, September 13, 2007 (EDT)

I finished uploading all the Character Artwork. Er, but, I don't know where to put the other Images you already have on those articles, so I'll leave it up to you on what to do with those other Images. I also have all the Super Smash Bros. artwork of the items as well. However, I don't have the Super Smash Bros. Melee item artwork yet. - Pokemon DP

Hidden Characters

I know anything is possible, but if I know Nintendo, they won't reveal hidden characters until the game is out. In other words, the characters they're revealing will probably be starter characters. I mean, they haven't mentioned Snake ever since they said he'd be hidden.

--ShadowZeroKaras 00:26, September 15, 2007 (EDT)

article talk pages aren't for general discussion. FyreNWater 02:27, September 15, 2007 (EDT)

I meant, that we should mark the characters in Brawl that have been reveled on the site, except for Snake, as starters, until proven otherwise. And If they we're starters in the last two games, they're guaranteed as starters again. As you probably noticed, Nintendo is not one for removing previous starter characters from thier roster, but they do add characters instead.

--ShadowZeroKaras 02:42, September 15, 2007 (EDT)

It still pointless speculation. It does not belong on the articles. - Pokemon DP

-Bokoblin-

The Bokoblin from the 2nd E3 video is missing on this page. Chozoboy 10:15, September 18, 2007 (EDT)

@ Magiciandude: [1]

"#251-260: Sakurai will make Snake (and all other guest, i.e. 3rd party, characters) into an unlockable character. Sakurai will also eventually reveal all the secret characters (most likely what he did when melee was released: give details on a single starting character every week until release, then after release, give details on one secret character every week until they've all been done)." - EPX2 11:55, October 13, 2007 (EDT)

Next 3rd Party?

If there is going to be another 3rd party character, who will he/she be?

I think Bomberman is the best recruit. Hudson's affiliations with the Mario Party series and the fact that Bomberman has been featured with Wario in Wario Blast will increase his chances of joining. Cyrus Falcon 22:32, November 28, 2007 (EST)

I don't know, but remember: talk pages for articles aren't really meant for general discussion of the game. You have a whole set of forums for that. :P User:EPX2/sig 19:34, November 29, 2007 (EST)

Melee Non-playable characters.

Goomba, Koopa Troopa, Koopa Paratroopa, Like Like, Octorok, ReDead, Topi, and Polar Bear should be off the non-playable characters list because they are just item enemies and don't have % Boxes like the other non-playable characters. Besides, Brawl's Subspace Emissary will have a ton of enemies like them and I highly doubt we'll put them in here. So can you please consider of giving them a new page?

Wario Bros.

Wolf?

Somone just added Wolf to this page.Where was he confirmed? ~Crystal_Lucario 07:59, January 30, 2008 (EST)

Non-playable charictors

I removed The Acient Minister from the list of non-playble charictors, as he has been confirmed to be the one playable ROB.

Removed characters

Personally, I think it's unnecessary and there's too many unverified claims to go along with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnAnon (talk • contribs)

i agree. i started taking out obviously fake ones, but i realized that most have no backing at all. there are a few that have evidence (like Pra & Mai, Snake in SSBM, etc.) that have coding or dropped plans, but everything else is arguable. i think they need to be removed altogether. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 23:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Smashdojo.org

go there and tell them kingdom come sent you we will be having an official clan wars soon. there might be time for a season if we get enough members to join.

thank you for your time.

What's With the Crosses?

Why did we suddenly get rid of bolding unlockable characters and start putting crosses next to them? I've always hated those, and bolding is better.

A1lion835 (talk) 01:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)A1lion835

Possible Brawlers

This is a list of characters (mostly third-party) that I have made. Characters marked with a " ' ", I'm not too ecstatic about. Characters marked with a " - " are considerable, and characters marked with a —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.65.108 (talk • contribs) 01:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to butt in here and stop you right now. The fact that you made something up immediately makes it worthless to this wiki. Toomai Glittershine 01:38, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Um, Ok, I'll stop. But do you know someplace where I could write an article like this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.65.108 (talk • contribs) 22:45, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, really. I'm sure there's what you're looking for out there somewhere. Also, when you put a comment on a talk page, follow it with ~~~~ so it gets automatically signed. Toomai Glittershine 22:48, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'm not sure how to delete posts (if you can), so... Toodles! 97.96.65.108 00:01, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Giga Bowser

I just saw the chart saying that Giga bowser was playable in Melee. King KirbyD (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

It's called using an Action Replay. MegaTron1XD 18:44, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

So this means that you would need to hack to have him playable. ..... The Spectre 18:48, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

Ending Images

I noticed with all the character articles in Melee only Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Dr. Mario, and Mewtwo have Ending Images. Why not everyone have ending images, the First 12 did in their SSB64 articles. And I don't think any Brawl characters have Ending Images in their articles. I'd be a nice touch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.37.38 (talk • contribs) 16:30, April 18 2012 (EDT)

Sign your comments with four tildes ~~~~

As for your query, more characters have them than you listed. And for the ones missing them, upload the images. Omega Tyrant 17:25, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Whats your favroite character?

I am --Toonlink567 (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2013 (EDT). I got super smash bros brawl less than a week from now and its 3/15/13 what i want to know is what your best character is. my best character is link. I also have a acount on Zelda wiki. My username is midnight67.

Please tell me your best character i want to know so i can see what taste you have.

SW:TALK

Our talk pages are for discussing the content of the article, not to chat with users on the subject of the article. That are what the forums are for. Omega Tyrant 13:36, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

In addition, your signature goes at the end of your post. You may also want to read the rest of the policies.Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:15, 15 March 2013 (EDT)

SSB 4 3DS vs Wii-U

Sakurai has confirmed that the roster for both games will be identical. We might as well remove the different columns for redundancy. Mr. Anontalk 22:33, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Give me the video time. Toomai Glittershine The Xanthic 22:41, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Wait no found it.

"The total number of characters is the same as the Wii U version,".

This is heavily distinct from "The character roster is the same" and matches several previous rumours. Try again. Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 22:42, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

First 12 Vetrans

Should we talk about the mission in the 30s for Brawl that represents the four unlocakbles from the first game? It would be helpful if someone told me. Thanks.Green=Life (talk) 15:21, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

Dedede intended for Melee?

FlameMaster added that Dedede was intended for Melee, which I remember hearing about before, though I don't know if it's actually true. As such, can someone provide an official source or other hard evidence that supports Dedede having been intended for Melee? Or is this just another one of those rumors like Peach/Pit/Meowth in Smash 64? Omega Tyrant 15:00, 23 December 2013 (EST)

Bump. Omega Tyrant 11:11, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Excessive notes

We don't need notes about who was intended for certain games in their development or which characters didn't exist yet on this page. This information is covered in more appropriate places on the wiki, but here it's just unnecessary clutter in what should be a very streamlined chart. Miles (talk) 13:19, 26 December 2013 (EST)

This is most certainly an appropriate place for the information; the chart is to show a quick visualisation of character's playable status in each game, and information about them being intended to be playable is most certainly relevant to that. It additionally puts it in one place of who were intended to be in each game (when it is otherwise scattered across multiple pages). And all it adds is a word underneath an icon, the chart remains "very streamlined" with it. Omega Tyrant 20:30, 26 December 2013 (EST)

I think "intended" can be relevant, but I don't think "in development" or "nonexistent" are. We don't need to make the distinction between "character that could have been in" and "character that didn't exist at the time". Toomai Glittershine The Brazen 21:03, 26 December 2013 (EST)

Yeah I'm borderline on those and won't argue for them to be on the chart. Omega Tyrant 21:22, 26 December 2013 (EST)

But do we need the word intended? As text, it stands out from those head icons and you can read about the characters being intended in their general articles. Don't think we really need behind the scenes info. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:44, 12 January 2014 (EST)

Snake

Wasn't it confirmed somewhere that Kojima desperately wanted Snake to be in Melee, but Sakurai left him out due to time constraints? Wouldn't that make it plausible for Snake to be listed as "intended" under Melee?

According to the Snake article, that's an unconfirmed rumour, but if it has been confirmed somewhere then youre right. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 18:43, 24 February 2014 (EST)

Villager

Considering that Sakurai essentially confirmed that Villager was going to be Brawl, shouldn't he be marked for 'Intended' for Brawl? - The12thGripper (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

There's a difference between "considered in planning stages" and "seriously intended before other issues caused them to get cut". Omega Tyrant 20:49, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

Ivysaur, Squirtle

Why are Ivysaur and Squirtle at the page? Charizard is okay, but the Pokémon Trainer is on the page, so what is the reason for Squirtle and Ivysaur at the page?

Did you not see the asterisks next to all 3 of their names? If you scroll, you will clearly see "*As part of Pokémon Trainer." There's no reason to change that. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Dr. Mario

Dr. Mario was found in the unused data for Brawl as well. Why do Mewtwo and Roy receive special notice as intended for Brawl yet Dr. Mario is left unmentioned? (71.106.48.155 19:52, 21 April 2014 (EDT))

You know what, I don't think "intended characters" are notable here. That's only notable for trivia pages. Otherwise we'd be putting asterisks everywhere. SeanWheeler (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

@IP: Dr. Mario doesn't have the other unused data Mewtwo and Roy have.

@Sean: Don't ignore previous talk page conversations and go against stuff already agreed to, and don't exaggerate, there are clearly not "asterisks everywhere", nor is there any problem with the asterisks themselves. Omega Tyrant 10:29, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

@Tyranitar: Literally the only thing Mewtwo and Roy have over Dr. Mario is:

-A victory theme file. Though considering file snd_bgm_Z40 is missing in the data while Z39 is Roy and Z41 is Toon Link, that would mean the missing Z40 file is Dr. Mario due to the Instance Slot Data. Also, Wolf, who is actually a functioning character in the final release, is missing his victory theme file as well, which would be Z44 given the Instance Slot Data.

-A Wii Remote character select sound, though only Mewtwo has one, not Roy. 71.106.48.155 18:28, 25 April 2014 (EDT)

That is a significant amount of more data, especially when everyone's but MK's victory theme got scrapped. Additionally with Doc, considering he was a straight clone of Mario and literally Mario in doctor garb, there's a very strong possibility that he was just imported data or was intended to be an alt costume. With Doc, I don't think we can say he was likely intended, when he lacks what Mewtwo and Roy have, while having so many potential answers about why he has that one empty file. Omega Tyrant 19:51, 25 April 2014 (EDT)

Again, Wolf is missing a file for a victory theme as well. On that stance, Dr. Mario shouldn't be brushed off simply because his is missing.

Also, what you just said is nothing but speculation formulated from no evidence whatsoever other than personal viewpoint of the character. On top of that, it is highly illogical. For what purpose would Sakurai have to simply "import" Melee data for Dr. Mario and not import any data from Pichu or Young Link if the data wasn't to be SERIOUSLY used? And if Dr. Mario was meant to just be a costume, WHY would Dr. Mario have his own character file and Instance Slot Data (http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/Instance_Slots)? Wario doesn't have separate character files for his two outfits, and it doesn't take a separate character file for any aesthetic changes between costumes as Project: M shows.

Furthermore, Sakurai expressed disliking of the concept of Dr. Mario being a costume before Melee's release; for what reason would he make Dr. Mario a costume with absolutely no differences from Mario other than aesthetics in the following game after already incorporating Dr. Mario as a separate character with his gameplay changes? Because he was a "straight up clone"? So was Falco, and that didn't stop him. Oh, but Falco's not "literally Fox" like Dr. Mario is "literally Mario"? And that's supposed to play into why he wouldn't come back, when Sakurai brought in Toon Link and had Toon Zelda/Sheik in the plans, who are/would have been straight up clones (the ONLY reason for Toon Link having some different moves being because his legs are too short for kicks) AND "literally Link and Zelda/Sheik" in an alternate state? Give me a break. 72.87.198.105 16:33, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

I think I'd have to agree with the IP. There isn't any evidence that Dr. Mario was planned on being a costume. Pretty much everything he said sums up my opinion. ChuckNorris 17:22, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Giga Bowser is in SSB4

In the E3 Treehouse event, Bowser collected a Smash Ball and became Giga Bowser. Could someone please change the non-playable character list a put a checkmark for Giga Bowser in SSB4?

Sign your comments with 4 tildes. (~)72.104.148.215 09:56, 15 July 2014 (EDT)

Intended characters

Sakurai did confirm during the E3 Digital Event that Miis were intended as Playable characters in Brawl. Pac-Man was also considered according to an interview with the Weekly Famitsu. Source : http://kotaku.com/pac-man-almost-got-into-super-smash-bros-brawl-1599610742

The Polygon Team, Wire Frames, and Alloys have been confirmed to not return.

In the e3 2014 trailer for SSB4, it was shown very briefly that the Mii Fighters are the ones you fight in Multi Man Mode in SSB4. That means the other Fighting Teams won't return. Please put an X in the SSB4 column for them. (Garridk (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2014 (EDT))

We don't know that the other enemies won't appear in some other capacity. We can afford to wait. Miles (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2014 (EDT)

Mewtwo and Smash 4

Shouldn't we say that Mewtwo was intended during the development of Smash 4 ? --Wolfy76700 (talk) 16:16, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Not really. All Sakurai said was "We're considering it!" Magiciandude (talk) 16:46, 11 September 2014 (EDT)

Ice Climbers Intended?

Sakurai did explicitly state in an interview that there was issues in development with making the Ice Climbers work on 3DS.

Source? 58.7.82.252 05:35, 15 September 2014 (EDT)

"Intended" icon

Whoops. Guess I jumped the gun by utilising the icon. So, what does everyone think? I find that the current (Intended) marking is too eye-catching for something that is not that significant. I made the icon based on , and tried to keep it as subtle as possible. It uses grey colourx, some transparency, and a neutral font. I have the PSD if anyone thinks there's room for improvement. --Ash_Pokemaster (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

I think the original version of the file was better because it was easier to see; the current one blends in with the table too much. --Skittles (talk)

Mii Fighter Seperation

I think that the Mii Fighter should be split into 3 different sections for each class rather than occupy the same row. They are all unique characters and all have unique movesets so why stick them together? Zm123bro (talk) 12:40, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

The logic in the current arrangement is that despite the three variant movesets, they share a single character select screen icon and share a single page on the official website. It's definitely open to debate, though. Miles (talk) 13:04, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

I understand your point, but both of these statements also apply to Pokemon Trainer, and he has Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard (even before Char was announced for Sm4sh) as seperate rows. Zm123bro (talk) 16:20, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

The difference is that now Charizard as well as Sheik/ZSS are standalone characters, and in the interest of treating them equivalently the rows have to be divided. The Miis are treated as one unit in some contexts and three in others. I personally think the current layout is a good compromise. Miles (talk) 17:16, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

You guys are missing a lot of intended characters

The title says it all. A lot of characters listed here were intended for other smash games but didn't make the cut have not ben listed. here is a complete list so you can add them. In addition, i've included characters that havent been playable yet but were still intended.

64

• Meowth
• Pit

Melee

• Snake
• Sonic
• Excite Biker
• Bubbles (Clu Clu Land)
• Urban Champion
• Balloon Fighter
• Pit

Brawl

• Plusle & Minun
• Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik
• Mii Fighters
• Mega Man
• Pac-Man
• Villager
• Dixie Kong

Also, King Dedede being planned for Melee was just a rumor. All these characters need to be added to the list. 106.68.147.50

While, yes, that is notable, they don't need to be on the list. Let's take Meowth as an example. He was (supposedly) planned to be in Smash ONE time. Tell me, is that notable? Aidan the Gamer 08:38, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

A lot of these have been disproven (Meowth, Plusle/Minun), as well. PikaSamus (talk) 10:05, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

King Dedede wasn't a rumor, Sakurai stated he intended him in an official interview with Famitsu. Most of these other ones are rumors or characters that were CONSIDERED, which doesn't mean they were intended. Dixie, Plusle/Minun (Which no, has not been disproven), and Toon Zelda/Sheik are not listed because they have not appeared as characters in the series yet, thusly they are not listed. As for Melee Snake, he was never intended, he was intended for Brawl by request of Kojima. Laikue (talk|contribs) 15:07, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Actually, Snake suffered the same fate as Sonic in Melee. Kojima did request for Snake to be in Melee, but, like Sonic, he wasn't included due to time constraints. Aidan the Gamer 16:57, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Considered and intended are the same thing 106.68.147.50

Uh…no, they're not. Considered means they thought of the idea, but they never actually brought the idea to life. Intended means that they appeared in the game somehow, but got dropped before the full game came out. Aidan the Gamer 20:37, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Pit, Sonic, and Snake were intended for Melee. So add them. Villager, Mii, and Pac-Man were hardly even considered for brawl. Pit in SSB is just a rumor as of right now. The remaining characters don't belong on this table at all because they've only ever been intended. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 22:01, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

See this is why I don't think we should list "intended" in this table at all. It's such a dubious subject that's often impossible to prove either way. Besides, we have Template:CharacterTable that is supposed to be replacing the current table. Toomai Glittershine The Cloronic 22:04, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Maybe not on this page/in this table, but somewhere (like maybe its own page?) And that page/table could list Bubbles, Excite Biker, Balloon Fighter, etc. ...a new Nuttais approaching...

If a definitive source can be provided, I don't see a problem with "Intended". However, all of the above users have not included a source with their claims, hence why they shouldn't be included.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 22:10, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

@Lakie: Mewtwo uses the official romanization in its Brawl files, while "pra_mai" does not (the official ones for Plusle and Minun are Plusle and Minun, respectively). PikaSamus (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Evidence: Pit and Sonic are acknowledged on this wiki, so that means they don't need proof because they already have it. Snake is acknowledged as rumor on his page, but I think I have proof- I just don't know where. Villager, Mii, and Pac-Man are also mentioned on their pages, but were basically shot down immediately. Pit is a rumor according to this Wiki, and I don't really need any evidence for Bubbles, Balloon Fighter, Dixie Kong, etc. not being in any game. ...a new Nuttais approaching... 22:18, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

That, and Pit's Melee trophy curiously asks, "Will Pit ever fight again?" I dunno...it might hint at him in Brawl, it might hint at him being considered/intended to be in Melee. Who knows. Aidan the Gamer 22:24, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

@PikaSamus people think "pra_mai" = Plusle and Minun because their Japanese names are Prasule and Mainun, respectively. Aidan the Gamer 22:28, 6 October 2014 (EDT)

Split suggestion

Should we maybe split this into Intended characters? It would list characters who were intended in every game (including characters like Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, and Mewtwo, who have been proven intended for SSB4 and/or SSBB). That would also be a nice way to mention all of the retro characters considered for Melee. Thoughts? ...a new Nuttais approaching... 22:37, 6 October 2014 (EDT)