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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

  • The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
  • Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
  • Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
  • Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
  • Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.
  • You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
  • Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
  • Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
  • Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
  • The comments section is to be used for relevant comments.
  • Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago.
  • Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
  • Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
  • Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
  • If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
  • And finally, do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

 
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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts: 

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Lugia vs. Ho-Oh

Once again, two Poké Ball Pokémon fight in the arena! Will the fiery Rainbow Pokémon take the goods, or will he be stopped by the other member of the Tower Duo, Lugia? We haven't had a Poké Ball Pokémon fight since Round 78 (Suicune vs. Deoxys), and I thought it was a creative way to implement items in the Arena; I'd love to see a sort of sequel of that Legendary Pokémon fight, but from the same generation. So, there you have it! What do you think? MeleeMarth01Merry Christmas!  

Support

  1. No way! I was literally going to post this exact same fight as soon as Suggestions re-opened! But I go away from internet access for one day, and someone beats me to it. Toast  ltimatum  14:18, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  2. On second thoughts, I see a few similarities. Both fly behind the stage and their attacks are their signature moves from the games. Both attacks can cause devastating amounts of damage and can even OHKO opponents. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:28, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  3. @drakon64: it's smash arena, they hardly have any connections to the smash games :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   07:07, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  4. Meh, why not? This is a decent one, and fights that were way worse have showed.... DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  5. These two are very similar so yes. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)

Oppose

  1. While the overall idea is nice, there are many pokeball character connections that could fight eachother. Each one is plenty notable and I'm not even a Pokemon fan at all! Ex. Mew vs Jirachi or Charizard vs Blastoise vs Venasaur or Staryu vs Chekoria. All good connections.Drakon64  
  2. Avengingbandit   17:43, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Not really a fan of the Pokeball pokemon fights. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

#While related in the main series Pokemon games and anime, they are not similar in the SSB series. I remember the Groudon vs. Kyogre fight being denied as they didn't have any similarities in SSB. This reason stands for here. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Comments

Giant Charizard vs Giant Bowser vs Giant Donkey Kong

If the bigger they are the harder they fall, expect earthquakes when these brutes enter the arena. The Event match bosses duke it out to see who is the best Kaiju of Smash Bros!Drakon64  

Support

  1. Event number something in Brawl had you against these guys. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

  1. A 3-way fight should only be used for 3 major figures, where a 2-way wouldn't work (e.g. Squirtle vs. Ivysaur wouldn't be complete). These just aren't important enough to warrant a 3-way fight, nor does it even need to be. Giant Charizard only appeared in one event match (well, technically two) in Brawl, so the fight doesn't need it. Toast  ltimatum  15:09, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Per ToastUltimatum. MeleeMarth01Merry Christmas!   15:27, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  3. I just don't like this. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  4. You can't make a 3-way fight, that's ridiculous. Avengingbandit   02:38, 25 December 2011 (EST)
  5. While I think the current reasons in oppose are terrible, I oppose this on the grounds that Giant Charizard sticks out to me as the oddball, and to do a three way match, I'd like to see three fighters with even similarities, for example: Squrtile v. Ivysaur v. Charizard. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  6. Agree with Dr. Pain on prior oppose reasons being poor. My reasoning for opposing: 1.) Does having the characters giant make a difference? Is anyone that would vote for Bowser normally going to suddenly vote for Charizard or DK because they're giant? 2.) The three really have nothing between them for a three way match, and King Dedede would be better for a super heavyweight three way. Omega Tyrant   20:00, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  7. I'm not seeing it. They're giants, and that's about it. MegaTron1XD  14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  8. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)

Comments

ToastUltimatum if they have an arena with the only connections being castle and stage, this won't be that hard to fit in.Drakon64  

But that was only a two-way fight. Two-way fights can consist of anything, but a 3-way only happens under rare circumstances, and therefore should feature important combatants. Giant DK vs. Giant Bowser would be enough on its own. Though it would get opposed anyway, because we've already had DK vs. Bowser :P Toast  ltimatum  15:17, 24 December 2011 (EST)
It's not the characters that made them special together, it's their traits as giants. All appear at least twice in Smash Bros and all are in events. Plus it's supposed to be a Smash Bros rendition of Godzilla, King Kong and Rodan (or King Ghidorah). Drakon64  

Meta Crystal vs. Final Destination (SSB)

The two stages in Super Smash Bros. which could only be played in 1-player mode, and not by any other means. Which do you prefer, or rather, which would you have liked to fight on? Toast  ltimatum  15:09, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. If I had a second suggestion, it would be a non-playable stage fight like this. MeleeMarth01Merry Christmas!   15:29, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  2. We've never had Meta Crystal in a fight before. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 15:31, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  3. ..... towmmarow is Chrismas   17:13, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  4. Yeah, I like this. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:20, 24 December 2011 (EST)
  5. Interestiiiing... :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   10:49, 25 December 2011 (EST)
  6. Per above. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

  1. Meh, this one just doesn't do it for me. The stages aren't actually that similar, other than only being 1P accessible. One has a semi-official name; the other has its future name applied to it. One never shows up again; the other is in all 3 games. One is metal with a bunch of giant crystals; the other, just a platform. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  2. One's plain and could be legal, the other isn't. MegaTron1XD  14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Comments

If I had a second suggestion, it would be a non-playable stage fight like this. -- MeleeMarth01 Yeah, you seem to have a thing with suggesting the same fights as myself XD Toast  ltimatum  15:33, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Aura Storm vs. Zero Laser

Ima giving this another shot. They kinda like Suicine vs. Deoxys (how to spell it?) :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   10:38, 25 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. Sure, they're both cool Final Smashes. I'd be happy to vote on this round. Toast  ltimatum  10:41, 25 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Both are directional, and one transforms. This'll be close when it comes to the Arena. MeleeMarth01Merry Christmas!   12:19, 25 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Yeah, sure. Solar Dragon (Talk • Contribs.) 08:45, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  4. This is probably the best suggestion up, so... DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:29, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  5. A fight that shoulda been suggested more times. MegaTron1XD  14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  6. Lasers is right. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
  7. Yep. JamesFile:Heart.JPG123 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  8. Yesh. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

Comments

ReDead vs. Bucculus

These two enemies from the adventure modes aren't very mobile, until the players comes near, where they then give chase until defeated or have captures their prey. They latch onto the player, sucking the life force out of them, before releasing the player. These enemies, while they never can KO the player directly, are an nuance to pass, and the damage they deal set the player up for KOs from stronger enemies. Omega Tyrant   20:00, 27 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. Now, there's an inventive fight. I hope to see this one used. I know I've said that for almost everything here, but you get the point. Toast  ltimatum  21:36, 27 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Seems pretty unique and nice :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   08:29, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  3. While they aren't similar in how they look, they're very similar in how they function. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  4. Very similiar indeed. MegaTron1XD  14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  5. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
  6. Inventive and similar. MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:17, 1 January 2012 (EST)

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Comments

Giga Bowser vs Yoshi Dragon

One, the fearsome transformation of the King of Koopas, the other, the culmination of powerups given to the humble warrior. Both are powerful manifestations of non-humans introduced in the Mario series, and both are controllable transformation final smashes. Who will win? Mr. Anon talk 00:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. Yah, well, both dragon-like lizard-like, and they both breath/spits fire, one ramps and shoots, other just gets bigger. :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   08:31, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  2. I'd be interested in seeing a fight between these two super-powered Mario reptiles. JamesFile:Heart.JPG123 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Per JamesHeart123. MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:21, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

  1. Two very different final smashes just don't merit an SA fight IMO. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Though Yoshi Dragon is controllable in the sense that you decide when to launch a fire ball, it is not controllable in the sense that it has a full moveset modification like Giga Bowser. MegaTron1XD  14:00, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Yoshi Dragon isn't a true transformation, as he can only fly, spew fire and ram into opponents. Giga is a true transformation. He has all of Bowser's powers plus more. Yoshi Dragon is not similar in form, as Yoshi looks like an angel Yoshi while Giga is a demonic form of Bowser, both differ in power, size, controllability and overall usefulness. The only Simularity I see is their both Final Smashes. Everything else is almost a polar opposite.Drakon64   14:05, 29 December 2011 (EST)
  4. Not very similar to each other. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
  5. Gameplay wise, they're totally different. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Comments

I'm not going to directly oppose this, but I'm very neutral towards this fight. Besides being Mario-based, and both possessing t3h ph1re (though quite minmally with Giga Bowser), they aren't overly similar. One is a huge tyrant, the other is Yoshi with wings. Like I said, I am still neutral, so I won't mind if this fight pops up in the Smash Arena, but I won't give explicit support towards it. Toast  ltimatum  10:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)

SA fights doesnt have to be similar, come think of it. Even Mites vs Tabuu is in SA (which ended up one sided -___-) :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   11:37, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Lakitu vs. Hammer Bro.

The most feared enemies from the original Super Mario Bros fighting it out! one sticking to it's roots in looks and the other having a 3D update for their function in Brawl. They both use projectiles too for annoying opponents. Which old school Koopa Troop Member will be the most popular? 86.82.234.185 05:48, 28 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. They both are annoying, and also annoying in their own games yet they throw annoying stuff and annoyingly kill mario on the way :o Lucas-IV- CREEP   08:31, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  2. I love almost all types of Koopa. Toast  ltimatum  10:35, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Whenever I play Super Mario Bros., these are the only two enemies that trigger "run" in my head. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:12, 28 December 2011 (EST)
  4. ..... Happy New Year   14:26, 29 December 2011 (EST)
  5. Yep. JamesFile:Heart.JPG123 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  6. They are the demonic spiders of the classic Mario series. Omega Tyrant   08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  7. Yesh. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  8. Both throw annoying projectiles at you when they're summoned from Assist Trophies. (Falcon does Falcon Dive) Yesh! MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:22, 1 January 2012 (EST)

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Comments

Luigi vs Tails

They're oth the second most popular in their series, and they both have a higher jump then the hero they're in the shadow of. Who would win? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.104.101 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 31 December 2011 (EST)

Support

Oppose

  1. This one was opposed a long time ago. Luigi is a playable character. Tails isn't even an assist trophy. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 12:05, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Per above. I could suggest Onix vs. Solid Snake, but there'd be too much of a relevancy difference. Toast  ltimatum  19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Tails is a background image character. As least Importent as it gets.Drakon64   00:42, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  4. The description for this matchup is flawed (claims of them being the second most popular character is questionable at best, and Tails' superior abilities over Sonic isn't a higher jump). On the basis of them being second fiddle characters that have superior abilities to the main protagonist, I would probably support, if not for the fact Tails' role in Smash is limited to a minor background cameo on a single stage. Omega Tyrant   08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  5. Tails is nowhere near a character like Luigi is in the Smash series. MegaTron1XD  10:02, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  6. Per everyone. --174.59.4.202 11:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  7. Per 174.59.4.202, which means per everyone. MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:26, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Comments

Lethal Marathon vs. Super Bowser Bros.

These two struggles to the finish take two characters out of their comfort zones. But which one will make it to the goal? JamesFile:Heart.JPG123 19:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. Certainly inventive. Toast  ltimatum  19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Per ToastUltimatum.MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:24, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

  1. While creative, the description leaves out the fact Lethal Marathon is an actual race to the finish, while the latter is just a timed survival battle on a moving stage. It would be better to pair the latter event with King of the Mountain, which is the actual functional equivalent event of Melee, and not Lethal Marathon. Omega Tyrant   08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  2. Letah Marathon makes you race to the finish against the F-Zero machines while using a custom stage for it. Super Bowser Bros. puts you in a race in a stage that you could have played multiple times, and pits you against Marios. MegaTron1XD  10:02, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Comments

@Omega Tyrant; Or if the suggestion was to be cross-generational between Melee and Brawl, then Super Waterfall Climb could take Super Bowser Bros.' position. I still like the way it is, however.

Super Waterfall Climb is still like Super Bowser Bros.; surviving on a moving stage until time runs out, rather than an actual race to the finish. Omega Tyrant   12:55, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Great Fox vs. Battleship Halberd

Two of Nintendo's most powerful battleships, that also happen to serve as stages in the Smash series, shall collide for the second time, after their clash in the Subspace Emissary. Which shall take the dogfight? Toast  ltimatum  19:25, 31 December 2011 (EST)

Support

  1. I'd like to see how this one would play out. JamesFile:Heart.JPG123 20:04, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  2. Suprised this hasn't done before. BlindColours   21:08, 31 December 2011 (EST)
  3. Two ships, one of which has two stages...Yesh! MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:25, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Oppose

Comments

Is this supposed to be the stages? Or the ships themselves? The description makes it seem like a matchup between the ships, but the title says Corneria vs. Halberd and not Great Fox vs. Halberd. Omega Tyrant   08:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Really, it can be either. A vote could be influenced by the ship or the stage. If one were to place a vote on this fight, they could say "Great Fox is Nintendo's best battleship", or they could say "Corneria is my favourite stage in Melee/Brawl". Perhaps in hindsight, Battleship Halberd vs. Great Fox might've been smarter, but I don't think I can change it now that it has been voted on. Toast  ltimatum  09:26, 1 January 2012 (EST)
If you want to add clarity, then you might be okay since there're only two votes so far. Bit close though. Toomai Glittershine   The Metroid 09:46, 1 January 2012 (EST)
Done so, I have. Toast  ltimatum  09:50, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Fighting Polygon Team vs. Fighting Wire Frames vs. Fighting Alloy Team

The standard teams of minor minions from each of the Smash games. Which is best? --174.59.4.202 11:50, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Support

  1. BlindColours   12:33, 1 January 2012 (EST)
  2. MeleeMarth01Happy New Year!   13:25, 1 January 2012 (EST)

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Comments

Mushroomy Kingdom vs. Green Hill Zone

The first level of Mario's first game, and the first zone of Sonic's first game. Which old-school stage will take the lead? Bowzerdude- Pure Epicness! (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Support

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Comments

I would support, had it not been for the fact we've already had 75m vs. Green Hill Zone for the same reasoning as this fight. Once again, I'm not going to directly oppose this, as it's otherwise a good fight, but I don't think I can fully support this. Toast  ltimatum  15:59, 1 January 2012 (EST)

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