SmashWiki talk:IRC/Archive 2

I get it now.

Couldn't someone tell me that that was banned? And I did not start that.-- PSIWolf (T • C • E) 14:45, 1 September 2011 (EDT)

You should of seen the prior talk page discussion about it, as well as that rule being added. Ignorance is not an excuse. Omega Tyrant 14:46, 1 September 2011 (EDT)

It does not matter anymore. Read the message at the top here. I will still edit the wiki, however.-- PSIWolf (T • C • E) 14:50, 1 September 2011 (EDT)

Rule change

Okay. I had a massive shouting match against OmegaTyrant through private chat.Then, he changes the ruleset to make it so private chat personal attacks also have an affect. This rule was added after the personal attacks and I think that since the rule was added after it occurred, that the ban shouldn't count. Could another IRC Op have a say please? OmegaTyrant would just be too biased. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:21, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

It's not a rule change, it's the writing of an unwritten rule. Using private chat on a SmashWiki IRC user to bypass SmashWiki IRC rules is not acceptable. Omega Tyrant 04:45, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I'm not going to continue the argument here. The rule was added after the PMs occurred. Do you have a log of the times compared to the time the rule change occurred? The rule was added after it happened therefore my block should be overruled. Also, PMs are not #sw! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:49, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Yes I admit it happened after the attacks, and I added it to prevent future instances where a user would argue they shouldn't be banned for it not being explicitly written in the rules, not to incriminate you. For PM =/= #sw, I was a user on SmashWiki IRC at the time, as was you. Using private chat to bypass the SmashWiki IRC rules is not acceptable, and I'm sure other user would agree to this. However, I'll redact the ban, due to it not being clarified in the rules, and the fact it is your first offense. Omega Tyrant 05:17, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

OK, when are you doing this because I'm still banned. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:43, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

The unban command isn't working. Do you have a tab opened on #sw? Omega Tyrant 05:49, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Yes I do. Is that stopping it? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:50, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Try leaving Game Surge for a few minutes. Omega Tyrant 05:52, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I've left #sw I shouldn't need to leave GameSurge... ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:56, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I'm trying to log into #sw as your name, which helped me in the past when the channel refused to unban a name. Omega Tyrant 05:57, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

I've changed my nick. Now try! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:59, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

The ban has been removed. Omega Tyrant 06:03, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Why?

Why am I banned from channel #sw and not written here? (°(..)°)Lucas-IV- Pigs 08:33, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

now i'm not, mustve been technical error (°(..)°)Lucas-IV- Pigs 08:39, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Must of been some sort of error, I didn't input a ban on you, and Mega nor Toomai were on IRC since you came on earlier. Omega Tyrant 09:51, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

Ban extension

Urm... what gives with the extension? Pretty sure I haven't tried to avoid the ban for a few days now! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 13:15, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

You were just on as Weegee.

[12:36] === Weegee <mibbit@host-92-20-133-60.as13285.net> “http://www.mibbit.com”

[12:36] === Weegee: member of #sw

[12:36] === Weegee: attached to *.GameSurge.net “The GameSurge IRC Network”

[12:36] --- End of WHOIS information for Weegee.

[13:11] === Solar_Dragon <~SD@host-92-20-133-60.as13285.net> “Death to Wikia!”

[13:11] === Solar_Dragon: member of @#Divine

[13:11] === Solar_Dragon: attached to *.GameSurge.net “The GameSurge IRC Network”

[13:11] === Solar_Dragon is logged in as Solar_Dragon

[13:11] --- End of WHOIS information for Solar_Dragon.

IPs match. Omega Tyrant 13:18, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

OK, ya got me! But can you blame me? I was unjustly banned because a stalker was given admin rights! It's not my fault your'e such a fucking cunt, is it! You know what, I'm through with acting all innocent here. You deserve to die! Stalkers should not be free to live life as they are! You should either be dead or in pain right now! And, I'm out of SmashWiki for good now, see ya guys! ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 13:20, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

The ban section...

...is entirely inappropriate. This isn't a wall of shame, this is a guideline on how to conduct yourself while in IRC. Furthermore, posting IRC bans on wiki is simply inviting IRC drama to beset the wiki. This section should be removed at once. – Emmett 11:11, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

Uh...people should be informed whose banned, I suggest removing all the bans no longer occuring. Blin dCol ours ...PUNCH!!! 11:15, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

Why exactly do people need to know who's been banned? Also, the original purpose of the list was that other admins don't remove the ban, which presumes that other admins are either extremely stupid or extremely lazy. If a user has been banned, any admin can check the channel's ban list, find out who banned them, and then ask them to get on IRC to discuss what happened. Not difficult. Penguin of Death 11:26, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

Bans on the Wiki are public, as well as a user's block log, so why do IRC bans need to be kept private? For the list's purpose, it is there to let others know who is banned, as well as the reason for the ban, and the intended ban length (which is also there to let the banned user know of these). And there's nothing that says other mods can't remove the ban once the ban length has passed. This would provide an IRC ban history as well, which would be useful for deciding the ban length of possible subsequent bans.

For this potentially causing drama, I don't see how the list itself would cause anymore potential drama, than just banning the user from IRC would. And I'll point out since the ban list's conception back in June, the only IRC related incident that could resemble Wiki drama was with Solar Dragon, which would of happened regardless of if the ban list existed or not. Omega Tyrant 12:10, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

You are incorrectly equating the wiki and the IRC channel. Wiki bans are publicly available on the wiki. A list of IRC bans has no place here; I can't figure out how to make the banlist viewable to all users, but any admin can view the channel's banlist. If a user really needed to know why someone was banned from IRC-- and I am quite honestly unable to think of any common scenarios in which they would-- all they need to do is ask an admin to provide them with the banlist info. If you took the time to ban someone properly (by which I mean using "!tb mask|nick (Duration) (Reason)") then the name, duration, and reasoning would be available to any admin who wanted to see it-- which is why you added the section in the first place. (PS. Any IRC op or wiki sysop who unbans someone without first talking to the banning op/sysop is failing at their job. Shitty modding isn't a reason to have this list.)

This list could generate more wikidrama because it, in and of itself, is a link from IRC to wiki. This page makes clear that they are meant to be separate-- so why integrate them on the very page describing their separation? The list is just an open invitation to anyone on the wiki to start discussion on bans of an entirely separate medium.

As for a 'ban history' for the channel... I see this ultimately as worthless. Ops have discretion to ban for the offense as they see fit, and I expect them to use their judgment to not be stupid about it. IRC is not as formal as wiki. You yourself did not follow an increased-length progression in your bans of PSIwolf-- to me that's a pretty clear indication that the value of this list as a ban history is nonexistent. – Emmett 17:21, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

I was unaware that IRC commands could be used to give a ban reason and ban duration. With that, you are right, the ban list here (and its primary reason) is meaningless for that function.

For ban history, PSIWolf's third ban was the same length as his second ban due to him committing a completely different offense, I don't believe in necessarily giving a longer ban for an offense that the user has not committed before. Which is why when he was banned for posting the link to the shock site, he got two weeks, rather than the probable month or more if he was banned again for harassment. So yes, the ban history is being utilised here (which is why PSIWolf's second ban was two weeks, as opposed to the days length of the first ban, and why PH was given an initial month ban that was later extended to three months).

For a link from IRC to Wiki, I can't dispute that. However, I believe having a ban history somewhere for IRC will be useful for reference. Perhaps there's a way to keep a ban history on IRC a mod can reference anytime?

For this inviting discussion of IRC bans on Wiki, I'm afraid that whether this list exists on Wiki or not, people will still bring up their IRC bans on Wiki, rather than attempt to discuss it with a mod in private. Omega Tyrant 17:39, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

@Emmett: I may be wrong, but I don't think OT, PoD, and Mega can use !tb. I believe an access level of 250 is required to use !tb, and OT, PoD and Mega only have 200. Dokteur Pain99 11:53, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

I just tested this, and I was told I lack sufficient access to use the command. Omega Tyrant 12:12, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

The above is no longer a problem, as all admins can now issue timed bans. Penguin of Death 05:10, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

Okay, there was one use of the ban list here. It tells the users when their ban is to be lifted. If I wasn't to have seen this talk page discussion, I might have returned prematurely thinking my ban was lifted, only to get banned for ban evading again (my IP changes every time I reset my modem). Now, I know that I'm banned until the 30th but say I didn't remember that date? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:57, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

I fail to see how it's our responsibility to help you to remember the date your ban expires. Penguin of Death 05:10, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

That's pretty much

Shit Mr Goggins (talk) 15:26, 9 December 2011 (EST)