Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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NOTE: Do NOT edit each section individually. Edit the entire page as a whole if you are going to be commenting on more than one suggestion.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reasons why you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.
• You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarily to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like "That's stupid" that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done; currently no repeat fights are permitted.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
• In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, is is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• And finally, do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons why you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Melee Marth vs. Brawl Marth

One's from Melee, the others from Brawl, the buffs and nerfs to Marth have been controversial over whether he is better, or worse in Brawl. What do YOU think?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 22:45, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. coool----luke5176
2. No surprise that many people are shooting it down, but what makes this matchup interesting to me is that it's hugely debatable if Melee Marth or Brawl Marth is better. Marth got some big changes (most notably, shorter reach in all attacks) in his moveset and play style, yet managed to remain among the best characters. I personally would like to see a matchup involving a character's Melee and Brawl incarnation, and this is the second best that could be done. Though seeing people's tendency to label such matchups as matchups between "the same character", I doubt such a matchup would ever be done until every other idea is done. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Somehow I get the feeling this wouldn't be a good fight. I dunno, maybe it's just that, to me, the differences between the two contestants aren't tangible enough? That, and not everyone has played Melee... Fuddlebob (talk) 07:26, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Brawl's Marth is basically Melee's Marth carried over to Brawl! There's no point in voting over the same thing! Mastersword (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. They just seem too similar. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. In order for this to work, we would probably have to do all the other characters that made it in both Melee and Brawl. --24.11.24.139 06:54, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. no, it's like A vs A! not fun!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 07:23, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. No. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Too similar to even work as a match. All that would matter is whether or not you like Brawl more than Melee :/ MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. Just don´t like it. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Question: Can guests make their own suggestions and vote on others too? --24.11.24.139 06:25, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

IPs can make suggestions. To remind, an IP can do essentially anything a normal user can on this Wiki except requesting additional powers such rollback and adminship. Omega Tyrant 07:43, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Ok. --24.11.24.139 06:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

@Mastersword, no there are multiple differences to every character that has returned in brawl from melee.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 22:35, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

I like the IDEA of this fight, but like I said above, the differences aren't tangible enough to me to make it worth a smash arena battle... I know there are differences, but I never use Marth anyway. Fuddlebob (talk) 08:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Although they might not be different enough in your opinion, they are different enough to have heated debates within communities which, in my opinion, has enough reason to see what the users at smashwiki think about marth's nerfs and buffs that have let him sit on a place very close to his original tier spot in melee.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 08:27, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Fourside vs. New Pork City

Which city is better? The grand metropolis Fourside? Or the tyrant's city of New Pork City? --Unknown the Hedgehog 23:16, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. They both seem to have a cool stage element. Fourside has a UFO while New Pork City has the Ultimate Chimera. Mastersword (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Battle of the Mother cities. Good idea. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I don't see why not. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Mother is simply awesome. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Good idea, it could work. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Olimar vs. Mr. Game & Watch

Two of the slightly more odd characters in Brawl, one is retro, and the other has a spaceship! The first and the last characters in All-Star Mode battle it out! Fuddlebob (talk) 02:32, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Cool, so it's like the Alpha and Omega? i like it! and both have a long round nose like Mario, too!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Unless I'm mistaken, Olimar is the newest character to be incorporated into SSB, and G&W is the oldest. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I like the idea of a battle between old and new. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Seems OK to me. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. I like the idea of the oldest character series vs. the newest. Unknown the Hedgehog 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Will new beat the old? Or will the old come back to haunt the new? I'm supporting to find out. Mastersword (talk) 00:42, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Battle of the old and the newest. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. So basically, the very first series goes against the very last. Interesting... --24.11.24.139 16:45, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Two guys with giant noses. Who wins? I want to know. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Technically Lucario is the newest character in Brawl considering Diamond and Pearl was released in 2006, while Pikmin was released in 2001. But this fight can still work since the Pikmin series is the newest universe in Brawl (excluding the series that are newer, but don't have a playable character, like the DS universe or the Electroplankton universe. Unknown the Hedgehog 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Actually wouldn't Ike be the newest in brawl seeing that the nintendo chronicle says his game was released in 2008.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 08:29, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Path of Radiance was the first game Ike appeared in, which came out in 2005. Omega Tyrant 08:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Infantry and Tanks vs. Excitebike

Two assist trophies that goes patrolling on the ground, on the Advance Wars' side, the red armies use power of cannon and machine gun to blow you away with a decent damage. On the other hand, the riders are using the power of speed to ram the opponents so they suffer rapid damages or taking them down with him. Will the trained armies shot down another group, or will the trained bikers outrace the city-capturers? Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. I support--Wolf rulez! Playtime's over! 05:46, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. It'd be even better if Lakitu and Spinies were thrown in there too. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. They're also both assist trophies that appear as sprites in SSBB. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. gr8t matchup125.161.67.202 07:50, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Great idea. Why didn't I think of it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. I can't say no to this206.53.152.102 22:36, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Good idea, the pixel with wheel! Kirbythe Amazing 23:39, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
8. All of the above, and below if more are added. Mastersword (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Pixels that run around the stage. It could very well work. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
10. Very nice idea. Fuddlebob (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
11. They are assist trophies that control the ground and overwhelm the opponent in swarms. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
12. Nice. I want more Assist Trophies fights. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

WOW! so many supports! thanks!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Fox vs. Wolf

Two rivals. Their special moves and Final Smashes are almost the same. Star Fox vs. Star wolf! Wolf rulez! Playtime's over! 07:57, 16 April 2011 (EDT)Wolf rulez!

Support

1. I'm surprised this hasn't been done already. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Why hasn't it been done before? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Sure, something classic for once, why not? Fuddlebob (talk) 19:47, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. I'm in favour, but has this been done already? Mastersword (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. How could this have been missed <_< MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. They are rivals in universe, so I suppose that makes it an automatic Smash Arena matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. k, whatever, I like a rival match. ..... A Golden 09:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. It has to be made it, they´re rivals. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

All Melee Newcomers fight against each other

Melee had the best characters. Lets do it!! Also, we did this for the original. Not doing it for melee leaves something feel missing. Mastersword (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. I don't agree with the sentiment that this is "too many choices", the battle of all characters in the original Smash Bros. had 12 and still generated a lot of votes and a decisive winner. This matchup would have 13 (14 if you're going to consider Zelda/Sheik separate choices), and 1 or 2 more choices than the last big match would not result in a sudden choice overload. However, this is a matchup that is best saved for a special round (perhaps round 100?) rather than being just another matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. I dont think any of the deleted characters should be in this round because there could be a match with them. But melee is the best, so you probably should68.197.115.28 10:34, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. This should be done only in a special roud like Omega Tyrant said. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Overload in number of choices. MegaTron1XD 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Grr... no way. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Actually read the rules, as you aren't to vote for your suggestion and you're supposed to sign the suggestion. MegaTron1XD 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Mewtwo vs. Roy vs. Dr. Mario vs. Young Link vs. Pichu

The five characters from Melee who didn't return in Brawl. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. This idea is like a smaller version of the All Melee Newcomer Character fight. Still lots of choices, though. Mastergameandwatch (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Battle of the rejects. Cool idea. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. YES YES YES YES YES!!!!! Mastersword (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. The matchup of the Brawl rejects generates interest from me. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. these guys rule!!!!. great suggestion dr. 8 bit68.197.115.28 10:35, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Good idea, this could be a nice fight.

Port Town Aero Dive vs. Mario Circuit

Nintendo racetracks with player crashing cars meet together. Mastergameandwatch (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. This would make for an interesting fight. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. All right then. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Why not? Mastersword (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Pure gimmick racing against racing with boosts and obstacles. It can work. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. we all can get hit by cars and karts :xLucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:14, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. The hit-run courses. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Giant DK vs. Metal Mario

Two fighters that can take ridiculous amounts of damage Mastersword (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. They were the two "mid bosses" in the original's 1P mode, and would represent the battle between giant characters and metal characters. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. I'm supporting anything that's a throwback to the original. Very interesting idea. Fuddlebob (talk) 07:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Enough with the idiotic users opposing good fights for little or no reason, this fight should happen since they are both the only other characters aside from master hand that could be classified as bosses, not to mention they technically appear in every smash game! Let the "mid-boss" battle begin!--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 11:25, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. I like it. Both were pain in the butts back in SSB and SSBM. -Ivy73 11:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. The "boss characters" of the original´s 1P mode, who´s the best? Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Just don't like this. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Both can be thrown off the stage, so your statement is irrelevant. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I can't really agree on thisLucasthefourth Spartan birds 08:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Too stupid68.197.115.28 10:39, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Lucas & Ness vs Mario & Luigi

Two groups of two that have almost exactly the same Special moves, while Lucas & Ness is different on their normal special move, Mario & Luigi is different on their Down Special move. The main characters is brave and are more positive, and the sidekicks is more shy, but secretly can be more special. On the tier list, Luigi and Ness are on the D rank, and Lucas and Mario on the E rank, they need to prove which pair is better. 125.161.67.202 07:46, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. YES for thisLucasthefourth Spartan birds 07:48, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. YES. This is WIN. I seriously don't get why this hasn't been a battle yet! --24.11.24.139 08:34, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Heck yes! Even Luigi and Ness are need to be unlocked!Kirbythe

Amazing 23:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT) 4.Amazing suggestion! one of each is cool and the other lame68.197.115.28 16:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

1. This could work. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. The pairs have nothing in common. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. NO! NO! NO! NO! Mastersword (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Pairs with specials? Why not just add the other semi-clones and actual clones while you're at it. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Incredible NO for reasons stated above.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 04:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

75M vs. Mario Bros.

The two retro stages clash in a battle to see which will win. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Spoings against Koopas and Crabs makes me wonder. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Both stages are involved in the origin of Mario. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. if you asked me why, i asked you back: why not?Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 08:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Fight between two annoying stages. I want to know. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Just don't like this. Mastersword (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Red Koopa vs. Green Paratroopa

Both of them are the opposite colors of what they usually are, and they both have differences to their regular colored counterparts. Who wins the match of the opposite colored turtles? -Ivy73 13:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I just don't like it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. While I'm not one to label things as "the same", there is little to differentiate between the two koopas in the Smash games to get one to prefer one koopa to the other, which could very well end as simply being a matchup to pick your color preference. Currently, they don't even have separate articles on the SmashWiki :/ Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Although this has not been done yet, it basically is a battle between red and green - which do you like more. --24.11.24.139 16:41, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. They aren´t that important. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

1. I.... don't know. Much like the Marth battle at the top of the page, but it would be cool to see some turtles other than Squirtle in the arena. Mastersword (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Super Dragon vs. Volt Tackle vs. Super Sonic

They have poor handling, they are powerful, they are trouble for another character, they will make problem to the user if the move finished under the main platform, and they are Final Smash! Which will win? The fire breathing dragon, the ball of electricy, or the light speed hedgehog? Kirbythe Amazing 21:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. It's OK, but it doesn't make sense when you throw Yoshi's in there, as it does have more handling. Mastersword (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Yoshi's is a lot easier to handle. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. You can control Super Dragon :L MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Perhaps a matchup between Super Dragon and Super Sonic, or Volt Tackle and Super Sonic will do, but I don't see much point in throwing all three into the same matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Why the three? It isn´t necessary. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Ok, so can I make a suggestion with only Super Sonic and Volt Tackle after the suggestion became clear again? I want these battle, but it seems a bad idea to add Super Dragon -_-". And, after about 3 months, I'll add this suggestion WITHOUT Super Dragon. Is that okay because it's not same? Super Dragon vs. Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle =/= Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle btw Kirbythe Amazing 08:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

If you wish, you are allowed to adjust your current suggestion, and remove Super Dragon. Make a note in the edit summary however about it. Omega Tyrant 08:28, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Umm, i was wondering about voting, i mean if KTA have change the suggestion, i would support. if not yet, i'll oppose, what should i do?Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

You can oppose for now, and if he adjusts the suggestion, you can change your vote accordingly. Omega Tyrant 09:24, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Melee Falco vs. Brawl Falco

Now before you shoot this suggestion down saying "oh it's a fight between the same character, boooriiing", consider this;

• Falco saw the most changes between Melee and Brawl, going through large changes atheistically and large changes in his moveset.
• Falco saw nerfs in some areas, saw buffs in some areas, and saw complete changes in others, changing his playstyle quite drastically.
• Falco is currently the only character who is considered top tier in both games (Marth used to be as well, until his tier demotion in the recent Melee tier list).
• Falco is the most debatable character on whether he is better or worse overall in the transition to Brawl.

So, will you deride this matchup for "involving the same character", or will you like to see which incarnation of Falco has larger fan approval? Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Greatly support, this has been debated for a while whether falco has been buffed of nerfed more, there was even a time when Falco was the same number on the melee and brawl tier lists.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 04:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. For players who really cares to seek and have some experiment in Melee and Brawl, this must be an important battle! So, how can people say "no" to this, even I don't play Melee! And, from your words, it looks like lots of nerf and buff happened. Well then, call me stupid because even I don't play Melee, but I care about this! Kirbythe Amazing 08:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. 'K, let's just say this is like the melee vs brawl marth. WRONG! Melee marth and brawl marth=totally lookalike. melee falco and brawl falco, not so lookalike. pretty interesting duhLucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. WoT's...too...powerful...-Ivy73 09:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Awesome suggestion.Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Sonic vs. Luigi

Both are the runner-ups; one in the real universe, the other in his own. Who will be victorious? The lean, green machine? Or the super sonic psuedo-porcupine? Critical Hit, and... KO! 15:20, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Um, the runner-ups to what?-Ivy73 15:26, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Dun get it. MegaTron1XD 16:10, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Too many opposites. Plus, I have no idea what you're talking about. --24.11.24.139 16:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

4. are you kidding me? they are NOT both runner ups and was a stupid suggestion68.197.115.28 16:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

1. What? Didn´t get it. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)