Forum:Characters you think are the best

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As with Forum:Characters you think suck., I created this forum so that people don't go to, for example, Talk:Sonic (SSBB), and say "ZOMFG WTF IS UP WITH SONICS PAGE! IT DOESN'T SAY THAT HE IS TEH BESTEST CHARACTER IN BRAWL!!!!!!!!!!! ZOMG WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?"

Please discuss your views and please refrain from flaming.

O, Mighty Smoreking 23:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Peach for awesome :D Seriously, Peach is good. She has great mindgames with the Turnip, can aerial combo well, Usmash can kill as early as 80%. I just don't know why people hate her so much. JtM =^] (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Anybody who is a Kirby character. Meteorite (talk) 23:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

KIRBY! YAY >('o'v)Learner4 (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

LUIGIIIIIII!!!! (with a light blue colouring making him Aluigi) Alex25 (talk)

Olimar. He is fast, strong, and overall the best character in my opinion. (or IMO, whatever).--Windu223 (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

JtM, are you talking about Melee Peach or Brawl Peach? I know Peach was excellent in Melee, but I heard she was nerfed in Brawl.

Anyway, Snake is the best character. It's not because he's in top tier; he IS good. Snake is completely broken in terms of his tilt attacks. His uptilt is godly powerful, has a disjointed hitbox that can hit an opponent a FULL BODYLENGTH in front of him, AND comes out like lightning. It can kill Jigglypuff at around 80% fresh. His forward tilt combo is also worth mentioning, as the initial knee attack can Jab lock while the final kick has the knockback of a smash attack. His down tilt is the least powerful of his tilts, but it has excellent range (not disjointed, unfortunately) and is still strong for a down tilt. Stop Tooting (talk) 15:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Snake has no disjointed hitboxes, all of them are damageble sides his projectiles. And a full bodylength ABOVE him you mean. Which is not much looking at other characters.

Brawl, which is why I ask why people hate her just because she got nerfed. Snake has more disjointed hitboxes than the game itself. Snakes up tilt hit an opponent(for me) that was on the other side of the platform on Yoshi's Island. :o JtM =^] (talk) 23:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wolf. He's fast and powerful. two perfect things. Masterman Be Afraid,Very Afraid!

In SSB, Donkey Kong. grabbing the foe and taking him or her down with you helps you a lot, especially if you have more lifes than they do. Melee, I'm not sure, possibly Zelda/shiek. Brawl, ROB and Pokemon Trainer. Solar flute (talk)

I have to agree with Jtm, why does everybody think peach is bad? Happy Haloween.

She just is. :P - GalaxiaD (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Whoever said Snake has no disjointed hitboxes...you clearly have never played as him. O.o And I didn't make a typo; his up tilt CAN hit an opponent without even making contact with the opponent. Try it in Training mode. Stand about a bodylength in front of your target and use up tilt. If it doesn't hit, then you're too far away so move a tad bit closer. Either way, when you hit the opponent you won't even touch him/her. Sound like a disjointed hitbox? If you still aren't convinced, check out Smashboards. Stop Tooting (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop Tooting is right. His Knee Lock is also very disjointed. It has twice the range of what really appears. - GalaxiaD (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeahhhh no he doesn't, he's like Mr Game and Watch in that his range is bigger than it seems. But he CAN be hurt by hitting the attacking hitboxes which means its not disjointed :P - Hatake91 (talk) 02:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

you make no sense and yes he does. You have obviously never played as Snake. his Utilt has giant range in front of him as well as the rest of his tilts. A disjointed hitbox means an attack that has larger range then it seems and USUALLY can not be hurt. This is one of the cases where the disjointed hitbox can be attacked and hit Snakes hurtbox. JtM =^] (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hatake, I see why you think Snake's attacking hitbox can be hit. But you fail to see WHAT his attacking hitbox is. It's not just his leg; it his leg PLUS a huge space in front of his leg. Obviously if you DIRECTLY attack Snake's leg after he uses up tilt, he will be hurt. But the up tilt's hitbox EXTENDS BEYOND HIS LEG. If you use Mario and punch the air in front of Snake's leg, Snake won't get hit. It's disjointed. Unless of course, you get another Snake to use his up tilt on the attacking Snake. Stop Tooting (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hatake just likes to argue. - GalaxiaD (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I do, need to fix that sometime. Anyways, Snake's attacking hitbox is damegeble, unlike the disjointed hitboxes on swords or hammers... So explain how you would consider it to be anything like that? Just because the animation doesn't show the hitbox doesn't mean it automatically is considered disjointed. - Hatake91 (talk) 23:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Look, the members of SWF have called it a disjointed hitbox. The people have spoken, JtM =^] (talk) 23:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

/facepalm.jpeg CAFINATOR ^Indeed 00:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

What JtM said is true. EVERY gaming site I've been to has said stuff like, "Snake's up tilt is disjointed," Snake's tilts are very disjointed," "Snake has some disjointed tilt attacks, especially his up tilt," and so on. You are the only person I've seen who thinks it's not disjointed. That's simply because you haven't played as him very much. How do I know you haven't played as Snake very much? Because you said earlier that Snake's up tilt couldn't hit an opponent in front of him. Every Snake player worth his money KNOWS that Snake's up tilt hits above him as well as in FRONT of him. So before you say anything else about Snake, learn about him.

P.S. I enjoy arguing as well. =p Stop Tooting (talk) 00:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I FACEPALMED AT THE FACT THAT he posted like he was worshiping that place. I've facepalmed so much...I forgot how to...I think it involves palm trees. CAFINATOR ^Indeed 00:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

You shouldn't automatically assume I don't use Snake if I think one if his moves is different. I HAVE used Snake many times and yes, It does have a bigger range than the animation seems but a ton of moves do that...Falco's Forward Smash anyone? And yes I know Smashboards thinks it is disjointed but they aren't always right are they? You believe what you want to believe and so will I. Now lets just end this pointless argument. - Hatake91 (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Deal. Let's end this, NOW. But as you started the argument, I demand the final say.

I did three tests to see whether Snake's up tilt is disjointed. The results? Positive. It IS disjointed. And I'll tell you what I did, so you can try the tests as well to see for yourself.

Firstly, I got Lucario to charge up his Aura Sphere and left him there. Then I got Snake behind Lucario and made him walk into the charging Sphere. He got damaged by the sphere. Next, I attempted to use Snake's Neutral A combo on Lucario. But when Snake punched, the Sphere damaged Snake and stopped the combo. Finally, I used up tilt on Lucario. And Snake didn't get damaged; instead, Lucario was sent flying. Conclusion: Snake's up tilt is disjointed.
Second test: I got ROB to shoot his Gyro near Snake. Then I got Snake to walk into the Gyro. He got damaged. Then when the Gyro disappeared, I made ROB shoot another one near Snake. When I used Snake's up tilt on the Gyro, Snake didn't get damaged. I know Snake hit the Gyro because when I used up tilt, I saw sparks come out from it. Conclusion: Snake's up tilt is disjointed.
And lastly, I positioned ROB in front of Snake, far enough so that Snake's up tilt wouldn't hit ROB. I used Snake's up tilt and then almost immediately afterward used ROB's Neutral A combo (which is fairly long-ranged but not disjointed). Neither character got hit. I moved Snake closer. I used his up tilt, and immediately afterward used ROB's neutral A again. Neither character got hit. I continued to do this, to the point when ROB was inches away from touching Snake when he used his Neutral A combo. If Snake's up tilt was not disjointed, then ROB would have hit Snake by then. But ROB didn't hit Snake. Therefore...Conclusion: Snake's up tilt is disjointed.

There you go. Proof that Snake's up tilt IS disjointed. None of those attacks managed to hurt Snake's up tilt hitbox. If you refuse to accept the truth when it's staring at your face, then you're right; there's nothing I can do about it. It's your opinion. Your lesson for today: Disjointed hitboxes don't necessarily have to be weapons or hammers. Falco's forward smash is nowhere near the range of Snake's up tilt. I mean, when you use Snake's up tilt, his foot goes only straight up, yet it can hit an opponent a bodylength in front of him. Falco's forward msash is MEANT to hit in front of him, so that's not saying anything.

The person on Smashboards who said that Snake's up tilt is disjointed was right. He knows what he's talking about. You should see his thread sometime: he was EVERYTHING about Snake there: pros, cons, attacks, attack percentages, moveset, pressuring techniques, defensive techniques, C4 techniques, nade techniques...Everything!

PS. Sorry, Author of this thred, for messing up your thread. >.< I know you didn't intend it to become an argument over Snake's up tilt. Stop Tooting (talk) 00:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop Tooting wins! Fatality! - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] [[User Talk:GalaxiaD|Talk]] (talk) 20:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha, You guys were arguing about Snake's legs :D Meteorite ## Chat here if you're bored. 20:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not convinced that snake's up-tilt is a disjointed hitbox. Snake's up-tilt happens to have high-priority. Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 23:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, for God's sake. It's a disjointed hitbox, proven through virtual research from Stop Tooting. - GalaxiaD Talk (talk) 23:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

lol go GXD JtM =^] (talk) 00:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol Galaxia, I like how you use my name. "Proven from virtual research from Stop Tooting." And "Lol" at Meteorite's comment.

Anyway, I was waiting for someone to counter my proof with one of their own ridiculous theories. Y462, your statement is saying that all disjointed hitboxes have high priority. Who knows, that could be true. But Snake's neutral A combo is also considered as a high-priority move, but it's not disjointed. Stop Tooting (talk) 13:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop tooting, I think you had a brain fart. (X-D) It is always true that all distorted hitboxes have high-priority, but it is not always the case that all high-priority moves are distorted-hitboxes. Learner4 (talk) 01:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I was misunderstood. I did not say that all disjointed hitboxes have high-priority. From my understanding, a disjointed hitbox is a red collision bibble that is never vurnerable to damage. Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 17:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

What's a bibble? - GalaxiaD ^Talk 23:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I assume it was a typo for bubble. If you can figure these things out, please don't post calling them out :/ --Shadow crest 23:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Chillax, SC. It was just a little joke. - GalaxiaD ^Talk 23:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Messages that only serve to highlight the mistakes of others aren't funny :/ --Shadow crest 23:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes. bibble is a typo I made that should have been bubble. Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 14:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sigh...didn't I just prove that Snake's up tilt is not vulnerable to damage, and therefore is a disjointed hitbox? Read what I did in my last test. ROB couldn't damage Snake's hitbox. And no, I didn't misunderstand you; in fact, I perfectly understood you. I think YOU misunderstood ME. Your statement was unclear; it SOUNDED like that you thought all disjointed hitboxes have high priority. Which, in fact, may be true. Isn't it logical? If a disjointed hitbox can't be hit, then obviously it's going to have high priority over a normal attack.

So you refuse to believe that Snake's up tilt is a disjointed hitbox, even with proof? Then tell me what WILL convince you. Stop Tooting (talk) 01:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is another test you can try out. Repeat the tests you did before but instead of using Snake's up-tilt, use Jigglypuff's pound. Jigglypuff's pound is a high-priority attack that I am sure is not a disjointed hitbox. If one projectile attack succesfully hurts Jigglypuff, then I am sure I will believe that Snake's up-tilt is disjointed with ease. Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 14:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I pwn with Kirby. SapphireKirby777 (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Yoshi is by FAR the best character with pikachu in a far second.By Zoshi#1 12 November 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.210.66.192 (talk • contribs)

You couldn't have chosen a better attack than Pound. >.< Its hitbox is messed up. I tried a test with ROB's Gyro. The first time, Jigglypuff was damaged when it tried to use Pound on it. When I tried it again on a new Gyro, Jiggly didn't get hit. Then I tried it on Aura Sphere. Jiggly hit Lucario most of the time, although Jiggly got damaged several times as well. Then I got Falco to shoot his laser at Jiggly while using Pound, and the Pokemon got hit every time. Pound's hitbox come out kinda slow, apparently. Do you know any other moves that are high priority and come out fairly fast? Stop Tooting (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Smash attacks may work such as Wolf's forward smash. The reason that I chose pound is because I have seen it eat through weird stuff before. For the most part though, your original tests seem much more promising now that another high-priority attack was used. In other words, the theory of Snake's up-tilt being disjointed is now significantly easier for me to believe. Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 01:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Decision! Final test results are in. The question: is Snake's up tilt a disjointed hitbox? Read on and see for yourself.

I got the ideal projectile to act as the test: the Ice Climbers' Ice Shot projectile. As you know, Ice Shot is actually two projectiles, one ice block from Popo followed immediately by another from Nana.

First up was Snake. I used Ice Shot, and then got Snake to use his up tilt on it. Both ice blocks were successfully knocked away in the other direction. More trials proved that Snake could knock both blocks away every time.
Wolf was next with his forward smash, as you mentioned. He could hit the first block away, but the second block always managed to hit him. That's surprising: Wolf's forward smash is multi-hitting, so it should have hit the second ice block away. That further supports the fact that Snake's up tilt is a disjointed hitbox.
Next was Diddy Kong with his forward smash, which is also multi-hitting. Results? Same as Wolf's.
Finally, I used Marth, whose forward smash is no doubt a disjointed hitbox. The results were the same as Snake's: he knocked both blocks away every time.

Note that I didn't use Jigglypuff's Pound. I found out that it has a long-lasting hitbox, similar to a Sex kick, so obviously it would hit both blocks away every time.

So... disjointed hitbox or not? Stop Tooting (talk) 18:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Seems a lot like a disjointed hitbox, especially when comparing Snake's results with Marth's. I will now assume that Snake's up-tilt is a disjointed hitbox because of the results of all of the test.Y462 (Talk • Contributions ) 22:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Final Analysis: Snake's U-Tilt is a disjointed hitbox. 'Nuff said. - GalaxiaD ^Talk 23:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, haven't responded in a while, the discussion actually got me to fix my homebrew channel, get codes from my friend that slow the game down to see if my hypothesis was correct.

Hypothesis-Snake's U-Tilt hits far in front of him due to the fact he has a few frames of the leg extending out in FRONT of him

Experiment -I got a small black blur approximately the size of pikachu a few frames before the attacking. What is so interesting is the fact that if you pause the game, you'll never see the black blur without the homebrew channel or Gecko.

Conclusion-There is no definite answer from this to me. I'm going to just say it would be classified as undefined for now. oh and obviously MULTI attacks won't hit two ice blocks when the ice block and attack have to occur in the same frames. This test only proves duration as long duration moves hit both, or moves that have huge priority like Falcon Punch.

Experiment-Snake U-Tilt range is studied and I find his max forward range, using proper timing and repeating over and over again, Every time Lucario's Aura Sphere goes against Snake's U-Tilt. They are both canceled out, a sign of usual disjointedness but also could just mean high priority. BUT unlike any other disjointed hitbox his attack is plain cancelled, no sure fire disjointed hitbox does this.

Conclusion-Inconclusive, will take a very long time of study to find a definite answer, so don't bother me with this anymore please. - Hatake91 (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It. Is. Disjointed. - GalaxiaD ^Talk 23:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

In SSB64, I always find Pikachu and Donkry Kong good. Solar flute (talk)

The best Character is definatly...Asha'men!(look it up,read the book!)

The best in SSB was Kirby. The best in Melee was either Marth, Fox, or Mario. My personal best in Brawl is Ike, but the best character overall is Marth.L33t Silvie ^{I see wat u did thar...} 00:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

YEP !!! MARTH ALL THE WAY ! Metalink187 (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Which characters do you use most?

I use Meta Knight and Kirby the most because they are nicely balanced and i love Kirby's copy ability and Meta Knights mach speed sword attacks they are brilliant.