Talk:Neutral special move

Special Pictures

I think we should use more pictures of Special Moves from Smabura-Ken.com. They are pure and good screenshots, but i dont know how to upload images. Someone else mus take up the fight. Any volunteers? --Oxico 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST)

Merge

B button - Merge? -- RJM ^Talk 14:13, October 28, 2007 (EDT)

Basically, no. --Oxico 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST)

Reverse Special

Does this work in SSB as well? -Zixor (talk) 00:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, because I don't own SSB. But about the Reverse Neutral B, I agree that it should be posted on the Standard Special Move page. And I think most characters who can perform a Reverse Neutral B, also can perform one on the ground instead of the air. User:VideoGameBoy|Zixor (talk) 10:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC+2)

Ganondorf can do a reverse Warlock Punch in both air and ground. Firewario (talk) 08:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I know, Firewario. Thats what I mean. That characters like Ganondorf also can do a Reverse Neutral B in air as well as on the ground. User:VideoGameBoy|Videogameboy VideoGameBoy (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Although I'm not going to bother fixing the page, as it is up for deletion and most of the information is on the Standard Special page, I do want to point out that Kirby can in fact reverse his Inhale in the air, it just takes a massive amount of practice. Meta-Kirb (talk) 13:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

@Meta-K: If the page needs editing, edit it. Even if it's up for deletion, you can improve it - maybe then it won't need deleting.

@VideoGameBoy: Please sign your comments by placing ~~~~ at the end of each comment you make. Please do not put your signature at the start of your comments.

@Zixor: Yes, the Reverse Neutral B was brought in from the start. Every character can do it, both on the ground and in the air, by pressing the opposite direction that the character's facing then pressing B (as you'd perform a Side Special in Melee and Brawl). If performed in the air, it has the advantage that it turns you around, which isn't otherwise possible except through the use of PK Thunder 2, or the like. If performed on the ground, it has the advantage that you turn around and do your Neutral B move, but without any turning lag. If there was a Neutral B move that had very little lag when used on the ground (or if you used a hack to remove all lag), you could dash dance with it by reversing it after every use. Donkey Kong could reverse the direction not only of the charged Giant Punch but also of the initial charging period. Most notably, Jigglypuff could reverse its Pound, which was excellent for recovery as it could edgeguard as much as it liked as long as it stayed above the level of the main platform, and it could then get back to the ledge safely without worrying about having to face the stage to grab on. In short, yes, it works in SSB as well. Penguin of Death 14:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Signature move

To end this edit war right now, I'll list the neutral B's that are signature moves

Mario's
Luigi's
Bowser's
Kirby's
Dedede's
Fox's
Falco's
Wolf's
Ness' (only move that he actually uses in EB)
Sonic's
Link's
Toon Link's
Young Link's
Mewtwo's
Pikachu's (In the anime)
Pichu's
Snake's
Captain Falcon's
Samus'
Zamus'
Yoshi's
DK's
Diddy's
Roy's
Dr. Mario's
Charizard's
Squirtle's
Lucario's
ROB's

98.117.158.220 02:46, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Many of these are debatable, and this is hardly a majority. -Zixor (talk) 19:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Zixor, seeing as he posted this almost exactly a month ago, during which time no one replied, including you, it was a majority of one. Personally, I think it should stay as it is, as many Standard Special Moves aren't that character's signature move. Also, only about half of the characters in the series are in the list above, so the use of the word "most" is either misleading or just plain wrong. Penguin of Death 20:20, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added some more. And I counted. This is definetly the majority of characters. 98.117.158.220 02:14, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, here we go; I'm not even touching your unnecessary attitude, Penguin.

Firstly, what designates a move as "signature"? My research shows that it is not limited to one move alone. To that end, virtually ALL special moves could be considered signature. As such, for the argument against standard special moves being the most analogous with that character, these are NOT:

DK- Not most known for his punching; with the possible exception of Baseball and Jungle Beat Boss fights.
Diddy- cartwheel (running attack)
Mario- super jump (up B)
Luigi- super jump (up B)
Sonic - spin dash (down B)
ROB - Never fires a lazer beam. His taunt showcases his most basic function, moving it's arms up and down.
Snake- probably best known for stealth, and guns, which were chosen not to be included in the game.
Mewtwo - psychic
Dedede - super DeDeDe Jump (up B)
Ness -PK thunder, bat, or yo-yo.
Pichu - based on a trading card? I think not.
Fox
Falco
Wolf

-Do any of these characters ever use their blasters? Their SHIPS have LAZERS, which are not the same. In actuality, their Final Smashes are probably their most recognizable moves.

Link
Toon Link
Young Link

-All Links are perhaps most known for their circular slash (up B), but definitely not arrows.

--Never played Fire Emblem, so can't say about *Roy.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zixor (talk • contribs) 17:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

urbad. also learn to sign your comments. Shadowcrest 21:53, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Zixor: Um, what attitude...? My comment was entirely supportive of your side of the argument, aside from the first sentence, in which I demonstrated that something you had claimed to be the case was in fact obviously false.

IP: A simple majority is not enough. It would need to be true in the vast majority of cases (i.e. with very few exceptions) for it to be worthy of mention in the article.

Penguin of Death 21:59, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize, PoD. It seems I was still a bit peeved about your comment in our other conversation. I have a little problem witt assuming good faith, and I'm a bit too defensive. -Something to work on. -Zixor (talk) 14:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)