Talk:Alternate costume (SSBU)/Archive 7
Sephiroth's eighth alt
I think it's supposed to be Aerith. The pants match the color of her jacket, the belts look the same as the ones on her sleeves in FF7 Remake, and the hilt of Masamune is the same color as the Guard Stick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ender78 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 2021 February 3
- It could be, yes, but you know how we feel about 'could bes' here. Black Vulpine of the 🦊Furry Nation🐺. Furries make the internets go! :3 04:40, February 3, 2021 (EST)
Robin's alts
Robin's Pink might be a reference to Mae, who has a more pink'ish outfit, which fits better Also Robin's White heavily resembles Leif, who has brown hair and a white/red outfit, and happens to use a magic sword (Light Brand) Blue/Red/Green/Yellow might reference all the types of units in Fire Emblem (Playable, Enemy, Other/NPC, Other Enemy (FE4, FE16)/Partner (FE9)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eizzah (talk • contribs) 09:26, February 9, 2021 (EST)
Corrin's 5th alt
If Corrin and Marth have alts listed as resembling the overworld sprites allied and enemy units, is it not just as fitting to describe Corrin's 5th alt as resembling a player unit sprite? Grapevine (talk) 01:05, February 10, 2021 (EST)
Chrom's 8th alt
The color schemes resemble this piece of concept art I found of the FE wiki here. Should we include it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgedofallStrings (talk • contribs) 17:52, February 26, 2021 (EST)
Pyra/Mythra's alts
Alt 5 is very likely not based on Poppi at all, notably due to Sakurai not listing her as an inspiration despite doing so for all other alts based on specific Xenoblade 2 characters, as well as details in the alt not accurately matching Poppi's design such as the wrongly colored core crystal. I think the note about the alt possibly being based on Poppi should be removed.
Their 6th alt, particularly Pyra's, could be a reference to Xenogears (the "gear" or mech that the game is named after), so "Possibly based on Xenogears from Xenogears" could be added for it. Mythra's coloration here might also be referencing Deus from Xenogears, which would match Pyra's theoretical Xenogears scheme.
Pyra's coloration in alt 7 is possibly based on the Monado, though Mythra's seems to have no connection to that. Either of Mythra's 6th or 7th colors could possibly be based on KOS-MOS from Xenosaga, i'm leaning a bit more towards 6 but I can see an argument for either or even neither. Lastly, it's a bit of a stretch but Mythra's 7th alt could potentially be based on Elly from Xenogears, but I can't say so with any certainty.
In alt 8, Pyra's gold coloration might be based on the Zohar as it appears in Xenosaga, while Mythra's silver could likewise reference the replica Zohar seen in the opening of Xenosaga 1.
Dorotheabestgirl666 (talk) 20:21, March 4, 2021 (EST)
Small correction to the description of Mythra's default alt - the "Massive Melee Mythra" costume is not obtained from the Challenge mode in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - it can be acquired once Mythra joins the party by visiting Argentum and talking to an NPC as per https://xenoblade.fandom.com/wiki/Massive_Melee_Mythra
Shulk's 3rd alt
The Torso Resembles the Colony Type IV torso. AgedofallStrings (talk) 15:48, March 22, 2021 (EDT)
Dead image links
Some of the linked images are dead, like the original Peach sprite in Rosalina's section and Simon's modern appearances in Sound Voltex Booth and Kingdom Dragonion. Can someone with the permission to edit fix them? M-Tails-P (talk) 05:17, March 25, 2021 (EDT)
Ken's 8th alt
I've seen this go back and forth on this alt being inspired by evil ryu, akuma, and violent ken. I personally believe violent ken is the most direct reference, but a consensus needs to be made on that.The Other Jared (talk) 14:50, April 5, 2021 (EDT)
Incineroar alts
I've heard arguments that some incineroar alt costumes are based on real wrestlers. Alt 2 is Mitsuharu Misawa, Alt 4 is Ultimo Dragon, Alt 6 is Rey Mysterio, Alt 7 is Black Tiger, and Alt 8 is Jushin Liger. What do you think?The Other Jared (talk) 14:25, April 6, 2021 (EDT)
Donkey Kong's Yellow Alt
Currently, Donkey Kong's yellow alt is listed as being inspired by his yellow alt in Mario Golf. This is probably completely untrue, and it bears basically an identical resemblance to one of his alternates from DK: King of Swing. --ProtoMania (talk) 00:04, April 12, 2021 (EDT)
- Just in case you haven't noticed yet, I went ahead and updated the SSB4 and SSBU pages accordingly. Thanks for pointing this out. --PeabodySam (talk) 20:19, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
Zelda's Appearance in SSBU: What it Actually Is
This page has Zelda's pink color described as a combination of her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds and A Link to the Past. This is highly doubtful however since she has an overhead sprite in A Link to the Past, so then what could it be, since she is taller in this game than in SSBU? Plus, her spirit image is just of her appearance in A Link Between Worlds, so this should also be enough proof on its own. I think it could be changed to being described as the following: "A slightly taller variation on her appearance in The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds. She is taller in this game to be able to fit the description of how she has appeared before in the Smash Bros. series."
Some color names are innaccurate or should change
Something that actually annoys me so much about this article is that despite being a protected page, there are certain characters with their list of colors who look more Pink than Purple and/or vice versa, are Cyan but says Blue, and finally there are some characters who unnecessarily have the word "Default", despite their palette swaps having a noticeably considerable different name for it's skin. I'm gonna list out all character colors which in my point of view, should really change, or at the very least have a slight improvement, since cases such as Bowser aren't that terrible even if it could be better. Without further ado, here is my huge list of SUGGESTIONS that should rename some of the character colors:
Default Bowser: Amber
Pink Corrin: Purple
White Falco: Cyan
Default Fox: White
White Fox: Gray
Green Inkling: Lime or Chatreuse
Blue Isabelle: Cyan
Default Jigglypuff: Pink
Pink Jigglypuff: Magenta or Fuchsia
Gray King Dedede: Brown
Blue Kirby: Cyan (even though Nintendo officially treats it Blue)
White Kirby: Silver or Grey
Default Little Mac: Green
Green Little Mac: Wire-Hoodie
White Lucario: Cyan
Purple Lucas: Pink
Blue Mario: Cyan
Purple Meta Knight: Magenta
Default Mewtwo: Purple
Purple Mewtwo: Slate
Cyan Palutena: Purple
Purple Palutena: Maroon
Default Pikachu: Yellow
Yellow Pikachu: Black
Blue Piranha Plant: Cyan
Default Pit: White
White Pit: Blonde
Default Ridley: Purple
Purple Ridley: Violet
Purple ROB: Pink
Green Ryu: Chatreuse
Blue Samus: Cyan
Purple Sonic: Magenta
Please know that I promise I will be polite upon all users on this wiki even if these suggestions end up getting declined. I just don't get the inconsistency of some characters who look pink (such as ROB) say purple, whereas others that look purple (such as Corrin) say pink. The two colors are not that similar, and even if they are, well I feel really confused about that inconsistency of naming a character's palette swaps from these two look-alike colors. Rosalina is the only playable character in SSBU to lack a Blue outfit whom it accurately says Cyan in their closest-to-blue skin. Pretty sure the Grey-White separations that some characters (such as Ryu and Terry Bogard) have, works well on Fox McCloud, and Pikachu's yellow-ish accessory has black sides on it, removing the necessity to make his normal yellow alt say "Default". Zelda and Roy have two purple skins, and one of them is named "Violet", so I don't see why not do the same thing with Ridley. White Lucario looks very noticeably Cyan in my book, and Mewtwo's deeper skin tone with a much lighter tail could be considered Slate, thus removing the necessity for Mewtwo's default color name. I don't wanna go into too much detail, but I do hope that admins could at least understand why I feel like some things need to change in most lists of SSBU's alternate costume article. Thanks, and have a nice day! Best regards. --NinTOONdo (talk) 17:13 April 17, 2021 (EDT)
- Unfortunately with how things are structured, changing the color name would break things because the template uses those names to show the head icons which have the color name in the file name. So changing the color name would mean changing the file name, and that would require a lot of cleanup (thanks spirits) unless a redirect is used. That being said I don't see why we still couple the icons to a color name when they could just be numbered like they are in presentations. --CanvasK (talk) 18:42, April 17, 2021 (EDT)
Because of how this sort of thing is rather subjective (as this and the following section demonstrate), it is generally accepted that once the colours are first named, they should not be renamed unless it can be shown that the original name is blatantly misleading (as opposed to the sorts of smaller changes suggested here). In addition, as the person who names most of them, I make an effort to prefer simpler colour names even if a more complicated one may (subjectively) fit better (e.g. preferring Green over Chartreuse in most cases unless there are two greens). Toomai Glittershine 
The Aurum 21:32, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
Color Name Changes
Every "Grey" should be changed to "Gray".
Black Bowser: Brown
Green Byleth: Purple
Blue Captain Falcon: Teal
Cyan Captain Falcon: Blue
Cyan Chrom: Teal
Original Cloud: Indigo
Advent Blue Cloud: Advent Teal
Blue Donkey Kong: Purple
Blue Duck Hunt: Green
Default Fox: White
Red Fox: Pink
White Fox: Gray
Indigo Ice Climbers: Navy
Default Ike: Indigo
Default Jigglypuff: Pink
Pink Jigglypuff: Violet
Blue Ken: Indigo
Cyan Ken: Teal
Gray King Dedede: Monochrome
Brown King K. Rool: Maroon
Indigo Link: Navy
Default Little Mac: Green
Green Little Mac: Wire-Hoodie
White Lucario: Cyan
White Lucina: Pink
Navy Lucina: Indigo
Navy Marth: Blue
Black Marth: Gray
Blue Marth: Indigo
Purple Meta Knight: Galacta
Default Mewtwo: Lavender
Pink Mewtwo: Red
Yellow Min Min: Brown
Blue Olimar: White
Alph Red: Alph Tan
Cyan Palutena: Purple
Purple Palutena: Maroon
Default Pikachu: Yellow
Yellow Pikachu: Black
Default Pit: White
White Pit: Blonde
Default Pyra/Mythra: Red/White
Gormotti Pyra/Mythra: Orange/Yellow
Default Ridley: Purple
Purple Ridley: Violet
Purple R.O.B.: Pink
Blue Samus: Cyan
White Sephiroth: Gray
Black Simon: Maroon
Blue Snake: Cyan
Purple Sonic: Pink
Brown Toon Link: Chartreuse
Blue Wario: Biker
Classic Wario: Overalls
Red Wario: Biker Red
Classic Red Wario: Overalls Red
Yellow Wario: Biker Green
Classic Cyan Wario: Overalls Cyan
Green Wario: Biker Pink
Classic Green Wario: Overalls Green
White Young Link: Lavender
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Karson05 (talk • contribs) 16:54, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
- As I mentioned above, color names are coupled with the head icon names. As such changing the color names would require renaming the head icon files, and then every usage of the head icons would need to be changed to the new names which would be a massive task. --CanvasK (talk) 17:11, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
- I'll add that the grey vs gray (English vs American) debate was addressed in SW:MoS. If every instance of a word is consistent within the page, it doesn't matter if said word uses English or American spelling. This means that grey will remain grey on this page. Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck (talk) 17:15, April 20, 2021 (EDT)