Dr. Mario and Mario in SSB4
Are these two clones or semi-clones? They have different down special and down aerial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zrksyd (talk • contribs) 11:03, 9 November 2014 (EST)
- Sakurai called him a clone and he has more cloned moves than Melee Ganondorf, he's a clone, but if you want to argue it, go ahead, there are arguments for it on the third archive of this page, don't argue there though. Also, sign with 4 tildes (~~~~) Laikue (talk | contribs) 11:43, 9 November 2014 (EST)
Having two different moves doesn't stop you from being a clone if the entire rest of your moveset is the same. I made a compilation on this page if you want to know more. Toomai Glittershine 
The Chilled 12:04, 9 November 2014 (EST)
Dr. Mario's not a clone, since he has one major difference that makes him a semi-clone!Nintenzilla (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- You completely disregarded what Toomai said one post above you. One or two "major" differences is not significant enough to matter if the majority of his moveset is the same. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- In addition, Dr. Mario is officially recognized by the developers as a clone in multiple ways. No argument. Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 17:46, 5 May 2015 (EDT)\
- Huh, how is Captain Falcon considered a Samus clone? They're nothing alike! Right?Nintenzilla (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Yes, hence why on that particular page, Captain Falcon is marked in the "non-clone" category. Stop jumping to conclusions without reading everything. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Why I am offended! You're jumping to conclusions too you arguementetist! I was just asking a question, no need to be harsh!Nintenzilla (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Hey, easy. Nobody's trying to be hostile toward you. They're just trying to help you out. It couldn't hurt to read a little bit further before automatically assuming something. Bulbaboy (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Huh, I guess you're right! Sorry about that, anyway, back to before, it's kind of strange since Brawl de-cloned all the characters yet Dr. Mario is still a clone? Is that not a little odd?Nintenzilla (talk) 22:08, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Yes, hence why on that particular page, Captain Falcon is marked in the "non-clone" category. Stop jumping to conclusions without reading everything. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
- Huh, how is Captain Falcon considered a Samus clone? They're nothing alike! Right?Nintenzilla (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
Kirby and Ike
My little sister pointed this out for me. In Brawl, Kirby and Ike have the same up-special. Can I put this in semiclones? I am JigglyPurin. (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2014 (EST)
Mario and Luigi
Ahem. I am The Master Hand. I am here to talk about Mario and Luigi. Come on you guys. they have WAY too many different moves to be considered Semi-Clones. I swear I even counted all the differences. They share at least 8 moves, and have at least 9 unique moves. Thoughts? The Master Hand—It's time. 
18:04, 29 November 2014 (EST)
- Here's what you're saying: Mario & Luigi have 17 moves each. They share 8 moves and have 9 unique moves each. That would be an 8:9 ratio, which out of 17 moves, 1/2 of the moves they have they share, while the other 1/2 are unique. That itself is almost a 1:2 ratio, so saying they're not semi-clones, by that logic, would be wrong. Rtzxy
Reflect! 18:13, 29 November 2014 (EST)
I made a page on this topic. Basically, if Lucas is a semi-clone in Brawl (which he is, it's difficult to argue), so is Luigi in SSB4. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 18:17, 29 November 2014 (EST)
- Also, this discussion has been made here before. See this page. Bulbaboy (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2014 (EST)
Hey guys... I recounted the moves. Luigi has 13 unique moves and 8 shared moves. Does that technically mean, since he has 5 more unique moves rather than non-unique moves, He would be considered a Non-Clone? Or at least a Semi-Semi-Clone? Hahahaha...ha...ha....ha. Uhm... Ok bye.
The Master Hand—It's time. 11:53, 2 December 2014 (EST)
- Going off of what Toomai says, Luigi has around 14 out of 23 moves shared. 14 divided by 23 is around 59%. Because 59 is above half but still below 75 (which I think any clone who's above that counts as a clone), Luigi is therefore a semi-clone. Nothing more.
Aidan the Gamer 12:39, 2 December 2014 (EST)
Roy (SSB4) more of a semi-clone?
Alot of his moves have seemingly different animations and properties compared to Marth (most notably his F-Smash, F-Air, D-Air, U-Tilt, Jab, Dash Attack). Though his specials are more or less the same aside from small differences in properties.
Are these changes enough to be "upgraded" to semi-clone? His moveset has about the same amount of differentiation that Toon Link has, who is classified as a semi.
- Let's wait for Toomai's semi-official test to be sure. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:57, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
- From what I've played, I'd say he's Semi-clone now. He hits a lot harder, his standard attack is a single hit like Ganondorf's and as said above, if Toon Link is the minimum of what's needed to be a semi then Roy passes. Besides, Clones are characters made with slight variations on existing characters while Semis have more work put into them. Roy is Luigi to Marth's Mario and Lucy's Dr. Guybrush20X6 (talk) 14:42, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
Roy is most defiantly a semi-clone in this game. He has 9 attacks that are different from Marth; the same amount of differences Falco/Ganondorf have from Fox/Falcon have and more differences than Toon Link has who is ironically listed as a semi-clone. This needs to be changed.
Also, I think Roy has longer range than Marth interms of his sword but I need some back-up on that Guybrush20X6 (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2015 (EDT)
Semi-clone. On top of what was already mentioned, he has different movement physics; he falls faster and is generally less floaty than Marcina. b2jammer (talk) 10:50, 17 June 2015 (EDT)