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This article is about Ness's appearance in Super Smash Bros. Melee. For the character in other contexts, see Ness.
Ness
in Super Smash Bros. Melee
Ness
EarthboundSymbol(preBrawl).svg
Universe EarthBound
Other playable appearances in SSB
in Brawl
in SSB4
Availability Starter
Tier F (23) (North America)
H (23) (Europe)
Ness (SSBM)
A psychic boy with a distinct midair jump.
—Description from Melee's manual.

Ness (ネス, Ness) is a default character in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Announced at E3 2001, he was originally going to be replaced by Lucas from Mother 3; the ultimate cancellation of the game for the Nintendo 64, however, caused Masahiro Sakurai to retain Ness.

He is currently ranked 23rd in the F tier. While still having fantastic throws and a great aerial game due to his double jump cancel, Ness has a poor approach on the ground and in the air due to significant range issues in most of his attacks; his recovery is also easy to intercept and edgeguard against, and he also has significant trouble KOing opponents, again owing to his poor range. As a result of these significant weaknesses, Ness has terrible matchups, with six nearly unwinnable, one even (against Yoshi), and only three slightly favorable (against Bowser, Kirby, and Pichu).

Attributes

Ness is an unusual blend of character archetypes; many of his attributes are unique in comparison to other characters, such as his projectiles, his recovery and his midair jump. Ness has above average traction and a moderately low falling speed, giving him an average wavedash that is relatively quick.

Arguably Ness's greatest strength is his double jump cancel (often abbreviated DJC). By cancelling out of his midair jump with an aerial, Ness can quickly and efficiently use his multiple aerial attacks; as Ness's ground-based options are poor, his various aerial attacks can act as superior alternatives to them, with his neutral aerial and forward aerial attacks acting as potential combo starters and his back and up air attacks acting as potent KO moves. Furthermore, Ness alone has access to the Yo-yo glitch, which can significantly increase his range and options when performed properly. While Ness's up and down smashes's knockback are poor, they can be very versatile when used properly, being the only smashes who can damage opponents while charging; they have powerful juggling, tech-chasing and spacing ability.

Ness also has some good KO options. On the ground, Ness's forward smash is very powerful, moderately fast, has a long, safe disjointed hitbox and has the ability to reflect some projectiles. Within the air, Ness's up and back air attacks are short-ranged, but very powerful, with the former acting as an excellent replacement for his weak up smash when DJCed and the latter powerfully semi-spiking opponents. Ness's back throw is one of the most powerful in the game, and it acts as among Ness's best KOing options. Ness's forward throw has poor knockback scaling; while this makes it weak at high percentages, this low knockback growth can set up edgeguarding affairs and gimps. Ness's up and down throws can begin new combos, with the former easily comboing into his DJC'd up air at some damage percentages.

Ness, however, suffers from a poor ground-based approach in the game, which, in turn, significantly increases his difficultly in KOing opponents. Ness's tilts have little range or knockback, with only his up tilt acting as a practical combo starter; furthermore, while Ness does have a decently-lengthed wavedash, his existing smash attacks are all too situational for use in wavesmashing. While his forward smash does contain a long and safe disjointed hitbox, Ness's up and down smashes have poor knockback, making them ineffective for KOing. Ness's ground-based approach also suffers by his lack of an effective projectile; while Ness has three projectiles, none can be effectively used in all cases. PK Flash has long starting and ending lag, and it can only KO reliably after being charged for a long time; as a result, it can only be utilised as a situational edgeguard technique. PK Fire has multiple hits, but it is easy to DI out of, has high starting and ending lag, and has short reach for a projectile. PK Thunder is slightly more useful, as it is controllable and can be used for mindgames; however, it suffers from long windup and cooldown lag, and it also cannot be cancelled out of, making it very easy to punish. As a final flaw for Ness's ground-based approach, Ness's grab has the second shortest range in all of the game, thus making it difficult for him to KO opponents via his powerful throws; while his dash grab does slightly increase its range, it also features considerable lag if it whiffs.

Furthermore, despite the high potential power of his DJC, Ness's aerial approach is also below-average. Like his ground approach, it also suffers from the short range in many of his attacks, and against opponents with particularly good spacing games, like Marth, Ness can easily and quickly be overwhelmed in his attempts to approach opponents. As two of Ness's best finishers are aerial based attacks, KOing in the air requires a good read in order to potentially pull off a DJCed aerial. As Ness has a high short hop and a low falling speed, he also has a very poor SHFFL.

Outside of his poor approach, Ness also suffers from a flawed recovery. Ness has the second highest midair jump in the game (second to only Yoshi) and his midair jump has unusual properties in its trajectory; PK Thunder 2 also grants a rather long distance, with a moderately large sweetspot and a long period of invincibility frames. Despite these benefits, however, Ness still has a very predictable and inflexible recovery, in spite of its long length. In the process of having to start PK Thunder 2, characters with good recoveries (such as Jigglypuff or Samus) can merely jump into the projectile and take negligible knockback and damage, immediately sending Ness into a state of helplessness. Projectiles such as Link's Boomerangs and the Ice Climbers' Ice Shot can easily disrupt the projectile as well, and in these cases, damage is not even inflicted to the opponent. PK Thunder 2 also has significant angling issues, and it can easily curve under lips of stages, most notably on Battlefield. Additionally, should Ness end up parallel to the ground while using the attack, the ending lag can easily be abused and punished. Finally, its linear nature can make it easy to read and edgeguard for many characters, despite the invincibility frames found within it; attacks like Mario's Cape or Link's Spin Attack can easily intercept the attack as Ness charges to the stage.

Changes from Smash 64 to Melee

Ness was slightly buffed overall in his transition from Smash 64 to Melee. Despite this, his nerfs significantly counter the various buffs he received, with his nerfs impairing his already-poor recovery, and significantly reducing his KO options. As a result, Ness has a lower tier placing in Melee; while already placing in the low tier of Smash 64, Ness is still currently low tiered in Melee, and he is now regarded as non-viable in tournaments.

Aesthetics

  • Change Ness's grounded jump is no longer psychokinetic.
  • Change Ness has new voice samples.
  • Change Ness's cap is turned right.
  • Change Ness's backpack is two strapped.
  • Change Ness's default costume have been slightly changed (red cap has blue instead of purple, beige and blue striped shirt and blue shorts instead of yellow/purple and purple, blue cap has purple instead of violet, tan and purple striped shirt and purple shorts instead of yellow/violet and violet, and orange and brown striped shirt and green shorts instead of light green/orange and orange like Mario's team battle costume.)

Attributes

  • Buff Ness is significantly heavier (81.818 → 94), now being a middleweight.
  • Buff Air speed (28 → 0.93) and dashing speed (40 → 1.4) were greatly improved. Walking speed (0.28 → 0.84) was improved to a lesser extent.
  • Nerf The speed and reach of Ness' attacks was generally decreased.

Ground Attacks

  • Buff Forward tilt is much stronger.
  • Buff Down tilt is much faster.
  • Buff Dash attack does more damage and has more range.
  • Change His dash attack have become psychokinetic.
  • Buff Forward smash now has longer reach and is faster.
  • Nerf Forward smash now has 2 sourspots, although those are still very powerful.
  • Buff Ness now has access to the Yo-yo glitch.
  • Nerf His up and down smashes have less reach, and they have been drastically weakened to the point where they can no longer KO at realistic percentages.

Aerial Attacks

  • Nerf Ness has a neutral aerial: a spin. It deals 3% less damage on both hitboxes.
  • Buff Forward aerial does more damage and has more range.
  • Change His back and forward aerial have becoming psychokinetic.
  • Buff Up aerial has more reach with a bigger hitbox.
  • Nerf Ness's head when doing his up aerial is no longer intangible.
  • Buff Down aerial has much higher base knockback, making it a deadly 0-death KO tool if not meteor-canceled.
  • Nerf Ness's down aerial, like most other meteor smashes, now has significantly more start-lag, and it also has much lower knockback scaling.
  • Nerf Just like Yoshi, his DJC'd combos are slower and harder to perform, although those are still relatively powerful.

Grabs and Throws

Special Moves

  • Change Ness now has a new neutral special: PK Flash. A chargeable green ball of light that increases in power and moves downward the longer the button is held. Once it reaches full power, it explodes, dealing huge knockback.
  • Nerf PK Fire travels a smaller distance, and it is now considerably easier to DI out of.
  • Change PK Fire is moved to Ness's side special.
  • Buff PK Thunder travels faster, and it has a tighter radius which it can travel.
  • Nerf Ness's PK Thunder 2 travels a shorter distance, damage when hitting an opponent is 5% less, and has a lot more end lag. As such, despite the projectile prior to PK Thunder 2 moving faster (while also having a tighter radius), Ness's recovery is considered to be worse overall.
  • Buff PSI Magnet is considerably faster, improving Ness's defensive game.
  • Change The color of PSI Magnet is now blue instead of green.
  • Change The crowd no longer cheers when Ness absorbs a projectile with PSI Magnet.
  • Change The crowd no longer gasps when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder.

Moveset

For a gallery of Ness's hitboxes, see here.

Ness's aerial attacks
  Name Damage Description
Neutral attack   3% Punches forward twice, then kicks.
2%
4%
Forward tilt   12% Does a roundhouse kick forward. Can be angled up or down.
11%
10%
Up tilt   7% Thrusts both his hands upward. Ness's head is intangible during the early part of the animation.
Down tilt   3% Thrusts his leg downward, then pivots his foot to hit the opponent. Can combo into itself by mashing the A button after the move is executed.
Dash attack   5% (hit 1), 4% (hits 2-3) (≈12.28% total) Throws his hands forward, sending three sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Good, disjointed range. Sends opponent in random directions.
Forward smash   18% (body), 20% (bat base), 22% (bat mid), 24% (bat tip) Swings his bat forward. Has high knockback and damage, but a little bit of start-up lag. The bat can reflect projectiles.
Up smash   9% (startup), 4% (charging), 6% (attack) Does a variation on the "around-the-world" yo-yo trick, swinging his yo-yo above his head. Has good range, speed and knockback. Can be used to perform the powerful Yo-yo Glitch and has very potent juggling, tech-chasing and spacing ability. Like his down smash, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponents is under 200%. The attack has a hitbox while charging.
Down smash   11% (startup), 4% (charging), 7% (attack) Sends his yo-yo backwards and "walks-the-dog" with it before pulling the yo-yo back. Has good range, speed and knockback, however, this attack is incapable of K.O.ing unless his opponents is under 180%. It has very potent juggling, tech-chasing ability and spacing ability. More powerful than the up smash in terms of knockback. The attack has a hitbox while charging.
Neutral aerial   11% (clean), 8% (late) Spins around, arms stretched out. Has good knockback and is very fast with high combo potential. Poor range.
Forward aerial   3% (hits 1-4), 5% (hit 5) (≈15.74% total) Throws both his hands forward, sending multiple sparks PSI energy in front of himself. Is a fast, multi-hitting move, with good range and high knockback on the last hit. Generally used as a spacing move.
Back aerial   16% (clean), 10% (late) Thrusts both his feet backwards. If sweetspotted, it electrifies the opponent and semi-spikes them with extreme power. Is fast with very high knockback albeit poor range. The fourth most powerful back aerial in Melee.
Up aerial   13% Headbutts upward. Has amazing juggling potential and a good KO move with very low lag, but poor range. Unlike in Smash 64, Ness`s head is no longer intangible.
Down aerial   12% Pulls his legs to his body before stomping downwards. Is a meteor smash, and has a decent amount of start-up lag. Great range, extremely high knockback at 0% (most powerful meteor smash at 0% in Melee), but it also has very low knockback scaling, being unable to KO grounded opponents at even 200%, and is relatively easy to meteor cancel. It also has no IASA frames (being interrupted on the same frame as Mario's forward aerial, but Mario's seem slower compared to Ness's).
Grab
Pummel   3% Headbutts the opponent.
Forward throw   11% Psychically throws the opponent forward. Very strong base knockback, but very low knockback scaling.
Back throw   11% Psychically throws the opponent behind him. Has extremely low base knockback but very high knockback scaling. This is Ness's strongest throw and its one of the strongest back throws in the game, KOing reliably at 110% and above.
Up throw   10% Psychically spins the opponent above his head and throws them upwards. Can chain into some of his aerials. Decent knockback.
Down throw   1% (hits 1-5), 4% (throw) Slams the opponent to the ground and hits them with fire. Low knockback but allows a decent amount of followups, including being able to lead into an up aerial to KO.
Forward roll
Back roll
Spot dodge
Air dodge
Techs
Floor attack (front)
Floor getups (front)
  6% Punches on both sides whilst getting up.
Floor attack (back)
Floor getups (back)
  6% Gets up and does a sweep kick with both feet.
Edge attack (fast)
Edge getups (fast)
  8% Somersaults onto the stage, and kicks upwards with both feet.
Edge attack (slow)
Edge getups (slow)
  10% Slowly picks himself up and does a jump kick.
Neutral special PK Flash 11-36% A sphere of green light appears above Ness. As the attack button is held, the sphere moves downwards and increases in power, until the attack button is released or until it is fully charged, it explodes. Has transcendent priority.
Side special PK Fire 2% (lightning), 3% (pillar hit 1), 2% (pillar 2-7) Fires a yellow, lightning-bolt shaped projectile, that travels in a straight line until it hits an enemy or destructible portion of a stage, at which point it explodes into flames.
Up special PK Thunder 8% (thunder head), 1% (thunder tail), 25% (PK Thunder 2 clean), 20% (PK Thunder 2 late) Creates a stream of lightning that can be aimed into opponents to deal damage with the head and stun with the tail. Aiming the head into Ness himself will launch him in a trajectory opposite to the side he was hit on, which is referred to as PK Thunder 2. PK Thunder 2 has invincibility frames during the first half of the move. PK Thunder 1 has transcendent priority.
Down special PSI Magnet 0%, heals 2.0x the damage of absorbed projectiles Creates a blue energy field around him which allows him to absorb all energy-based projectiles. It can be held in order to use it repeatedly.

Taunt

  • Turns to the screen and nods his head while saying "Okay".
Ness-Taunt-SSBM.gif

Idle pose

  • Looks from side to side.
Ness Idle Pose Melee.gif

Crowd cheer

English Japanese
Cheer
Description Ness Ness Ness! Ness Ness Ness!
Pitch Group chant Group chant

Victory poses

An orchestrated version of the final four Soundstone Melodies from EarthBound.
  • Looks to the left and right of him, then places an arm on the back of his head in a bashful manner.
  • Swings around his bat four times, then poses with it.
  • Jumps up and down twice, places arms on waist, and says "Okay!"
Ness-Victory1-SSBM.gif Ness-Victory2-SSBM.gif Ness-Victory3-SSBM.gif

In Competitive play

Matchups

Super Smash Bros. Melee Character Matchups
  Fox (SSBM) Marth (SSBM) Jigglypuff (SSBM) Falco (SSBM) Sheik (SSBM) Captain Falcon (SSBM) Peach (SSBM) Ice Climbers (SSBM) Pikachu (SSBM) Yoshi (SSBM) Samus (SSBM) Luigi (SSBM) Dr. Mario (SSBM) Ganondorf (SSBM) Mario (SSBM) Donkey Kong (SSBM) Young Link (SSBM) Link (SSBM) Mr. Game & Watch (SSBM) Mewtwo (SSBM) Roy (SSBM) Pichu (SSBM) Ness (SSBM) Zelda (SSBM) Kirby (SSBM) Bowser (SSBM) Avg.
Ness (SSBM) -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -3 -2 -2 -2 ±0 -2 -2 -1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 Mirror match -1 +1 +1 -2

Notable players

See also: Category:Ness professionals (SSBM)

Active

Inactive

Tier placement and history

Ness was initially viewed as low-mid tier character in the metagame, with a peak of 15th place on the second tier list. Following this, however, Ness's standing on the tier list constantly fell, with most players noticing that his nerf from Super Smash Bros. hindered his ability to combo and safely approach foes, while his buffs did not address his extremely short range on many of his attacks or his linear, predictable recovery; this was especially noted in the earlier Smash 64 metagame, as Ness was initially viewed as top-tiered character.

On the current tier list, Ness places at 23rd, in the F tier, and he is considered non-viable for tournament play. Dedicated Ness players are rare in the current metagame, with most Ness players often using the character as a situational counterpick; Hungrybox only used Ness once in all of Apex 2013, in an attempt to counter Armada's Young Link, and he mostly used Jigglypuff for the rest of the tournament. Other players of Ness are semi-active and generally do not place very well with him, even with the powerful Yoyo glitch.

In 1-P Mode

Classic Mode

In Classic Mode, Ness can appear as an ordinary opponent, as an ally or opponent in the team battles, alongside Yoshi, Peach, or Mewtwo, as a member of a multi-character battle, or as a metal opponent. In Ness's appearance, he appears on either Onett or Fourside (if unlocked) as a regular opponent and on Battlefield as a metal opponent. When on a team with Yoshi, he appears on Yoshi's Island.

Adventure Mode

Ness's appearance in the Adventure Mode is in Stage 9: Onett. In the stage, the player must fight against three computer players, each one being Ness, on Onett; in the fight, the only item that appear is Mr. Saturn. The player must defeat all three opponents within five minutes to continue.

All-Star Mode

Ness and his allies are fought on Onett.

Event Matches

Ness is featured in the following event matches:

Ending images

Trophy descriptions

In addition to the normal trophy about Ness as a character, there are two trophies about him as a fighter, unlocked by completing both Adventure and All-Star modes respectively with Ness on any difficulty:

Ness
Ness is a young boy who's mastered the psychic power known as PSI. Ness was living a normal life in the suburbs of Onett until a meteor crashed into a nearby mountain and sent him on a wild adventure. Believing in the ultimate powers of wisdom, courage, and friendship, Ness proves that some heroes come in small packages.
  • EarthBound 06/95
Ness [Smash]
The key to mastering Ness is controlling his unique midair jump, which makes up for what he lacks in speed. His PK Flash attack may seem weak at first glance, but it grows more powerful the longer you hold down the B Button. To do a lot of damage with PK Fire, try to burn your opponent as many times as possible.
  • B: PK Flash
  • Smash B: PK Fire
Ness [Smash]
Ness's mind is his best weapon. PK Thunder is a PSI missile weapon that can be guided using the Control Stick, and if Ness hits himself with it, he turns into a living missile capable of doing massive damage. This move can also be used for recovery. PSI Magnet turns energy missile attacks into health; try out certain Pokémon for stamina replenishment.
  • Up & B: PK Thunder
  • Down & B: PSI Magnet

Alternate costumes

Ness's alternate costumes in Melee

Electric Ness glitch

Electric Ness is one of the earliest discovered glitches in Super Smash Bros. Melee. This glitch will cause Ness to be covered by electric sparks. This glitch will end when Ness is KO'd, uses PK Thunder, uses his shield, or uses PSI Magnet.

Enemy Method

The glitch being performed.
  1. Jump in the air and perform a PK Thunder.
  2. Land on the ground while still in the PK Thunder animation.
  3. Get hit by a move that flinches.
  4. Ness will now be surrounded by sparks until he gets KO'd, shields, or performs PK Thunder again.

Ness-only Method

  1. Make Ness hit the top of his head straight on with his own PK Thunder. Ness should not launch.
  2. Ness should now have the sparks.

Note: This method does not always work, and it has been theorized that the Yoyo Glitch must be performed first.

Unconfirmed alternative methods

  • Grabbing Ness while he is using PK Thunder.
  • Hit Ness in midair while he is using PK Thunder.

Trivia

The yoyo's texture.
  • Ness is one of three characters whose neutral special changed during his jump to Melee, the others being Link and Jigglypuff. In the original Super Smash Bros., his neutral special was PK Fire; from Melee onward, he now uses PK Flash.
  • If one looks closely at Ness's Yoyo, you can see the words DOLPHIN LOOP, with it being made by HALLAB NINTENDO in 2001 (Melee’s release year). Dolphin being a reference to the Gamecube's codename, and the "makers" a reference to the developer and publisher of Melee respectively. His bat reads NETT SPORTS.
  • Ness's amiibo description on the North American amiibo website is based on his trophy description from Melee.