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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week (or possibly less often, if the wiki's status is Yellow or above) this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!

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Round 234: Sing vs. Rest

Jigglypuff Sing Smash 3DS.jpg
 Winner!!
undecided

~ to ~
Jigglypuff Rest Smash 3DS.jpg
Two moves that harness the power of drowziness to do completely different things - which snoozes the other?

Votes for Sing

  1. I Believe rest is useless, but sing can actually do something, put the opponent to sleep and SMASH ATTACK them. But you will have to get the enemy to high damage first though162.72.179.253 16:25, 12 February 2015 (EST)
  2. If I had to pick between leaving MYSELF vulnerable, or leaving SOMEONE ELSE vulnerable? I'd pick the opponent no question! MeatBall104; The balls are inert! 13:30, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  3. I never figured out how to use Rest, it never does anything except make Jigglypuff sleep like a lazy idiot. 67.77.81.94 15:38, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  4. Sing is easier to pull off, and while it does not do damage, it leaves the opponent vulnerable to be Smash Attack'd. EpiNa8EpiNa8 sig.jpgHiiiiii!!! 23:09, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  5. 147.69.10.109 02:01, 3 February 2015 (EST)
  6. Voting for Hungrybox's sing.[1]--Dinodomain (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2015 (EST)

Votes for Rest

  1. I'm using a Wigglytuff in Pokémon Omega Ruby, and it learned Rest but not Sing. These are my reasons. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatum 13:23, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  2. After school, Rest (naping) is pretty much what I do. I do not like how you have to wake up in the crack-a-dong every 6:30 on the weekdays to get ready for high school which starts at 7:30. Therefore I take a nap before I do homework after school so I can catch up on my sleep. Speaking of Sing, having to hear people sing "Let it go" millions of times just gets on my nerves. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Asian 13:28, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  3. Snooze Smashworker101 (talk) 13:34, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  4. I can sum it up in one word: Ping!!
  5. Sleeping is a more useful skill than singing. Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:12, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  6. This move is perfect for dis-Rest-pect. Oh, and the consequences for whiffing either one up until Smash 4 were about the same, so if I had to pick making someone sleep for a short time and risk them waking up immediately or blowing someone up and killing them at 20%, I'll pick the explosion. --Timson622222 (talk) 17:35, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  7. Sing has such a small hitbox and high ending lag that it isn't even useful. Either way, if sing does somehow land it leads to a free rest. 71.108.115.133 21:40, 31 January 2015 (EST)
  8. Sleep is lameGreninjaisbeast (talk) 00:10, 1 February 2015 (EST)
  9. OH WOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS THE EASIEST FIGHT KNOWN TO MAN OR ANYTHING! CLI (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2015 (EST)
  10. See Hungrybox's use of the move. SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 00:01, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  11. TeamRest --Myth Myth Kirby.png 21:35, 4 February 2015 (EST)
  12. I'm not a Jiggly main by any sense of the word, but if I had to choose between putting the opponent to sleep for a couple seconds at best or OHKO at low percentages, it's no contest 73MPL4R (talk) 11:14, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  13. HBOX bflat (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  14. This can actually KO. Awesomelink234 PK FLASHBOMB! 20:21, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  15. A good recovery move is often crucial to one living or dying after being knocked from the stage. Like Yoshi, Jigglypuff lacks any useful vertical recovery ability, other than jumping prowess. Rarely, if ever, are down special moves used for returning to the stage; conversely, up special moves pretty much always are. Sing, an up special move, is less than useless for getting back onto the stage, making it ineffective for recovering. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  16. Rest is better. LimitCrown (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2015 (EST)
  17. CHESTO BERRY OR BUST. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 12:36, 3 February 2015 (EST)
  18. zzzzz... AW402 (talk) 21:14, 3 February 2015 (EST)
  19. This kills faster than a bullet to the brain. And what's more badass than sending somebody flying into space by falling asleep? Nymbare and his talk 21:31, 3 February 2015 (EST)
  20. Killing in style.Loyoloy (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (EST)
  21. Much more epic! Smash Master 13:34, 5 February 2015 (EST)
  22. Sleep is a beautiful thing. ChuckNorris24.png  22:13, 5 February 2015 (EST)
  23. Resting is nice when Jigglypuff uses this. Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 07:14, 6 February 2015 (EST)
  24. FALCON PAWNCH-wait, what? i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk) 21:47, 9 February 2015 (EST)
  25. Rest is the best for trolling, and the only real reason to choose the Jiggs. I know the hitbox is the eyes, it's not that hard of a concept. Sing just makes me embarrassingly SD when I try to recover. What kind of up b is a non-recovery move? --Meester Tweester (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2015 (EST)
  26. Rest Is The Falcon Punch Of Jigglypuff :P This Is First Voting Im Doing As Well Hyper Nintendo (talk) 01:49, 13 February 2015 (EST)
  27. It's not that bad of a powerful move that works effectively. 94.193.11.80 10:22, 19 February 2015 (EST)

Comments

So hard to choose...Rest is hard to land, but Sing is easy to land...but Rest can kill and Sing can't...this may be the only one where I choose not to vote due to the choice being hard. I remain neutral. AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNGAidan the Aura Master 09:54, 2 February 2015 (EST)

And may I ask how to use Rest? I mean, all it does is put Jiggly to sleep uselessly.... 67.77.81.94 15:43, 4 February 2015 (EST)

You gotta have Jiggly right in front of the opponent in order to land the hit. It's a pain in the ass to actually get it to work. AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNGAidan the Aura Master 10:14, 5 February 2015 (EST)

rest is the secret to my bro's victory i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk) 08:10, 10 February 2015 (EST)

With a thousand lies / And a good disguise / Hit ‘em right between the eyes / Hit ‘em right between the eyes / When you walk away / Nothing more to say / See the lightning in your eyes / See ‘em running for their lives --Meester Tweester (talk) 10:28, 11 February 2015 (EST)

Round 233: Negative Zone vs. Peach Blossom

Negative Zone - Brawl Trophy.png
 Winner!!
Negative Zone
Negative Zone - Brawl Trophy.png

29.5 to 8
Peach Blossom - Brawl Trophy.png
Rather than direct damage, these two Final Smashes focus on status shenanigans. Which overwhelms the other?

Votes for Negative Zone

This Final Smash is just ridiculous in every way, and I'm sad they changed it in SSB4. 173.62.160.215 10:34, 27 January 2015 (EST)

  1. Lol. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 12:09, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  2. Man, this trophy is just plain weird. :/ Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Heavy Weapons Guy 12:12, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  3. Negative Zone is the best. Smashworker101 (talk) 12:23, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  4. Lol, I don't like Peach! MeatBall104; The Bikini Inspector! >:D 12:30, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  5. Now what can beat the best Final Smash in the series? Laikue (talk | contribs) 15:00, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  6. This is pretty great. Imagine being able to do this in everyday life, like when you're stuck in a line, trapped in a crowd, trying to kidnap someone, or being kidnapped yourself. Also, this section was at the top. Littlesquirtle! I choose you!LittleSquirtleSig.png 19:08, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  7. Luigi Power 4ever. (Psychninja14 (talk) 11:55, 11 January 2015 (EST))
  8. In my opinion this is just a one-sided battle. This one is more affective, despite the fact that it has a set range, this one affects people even in mid-air, whereas Peach's Blossoms are relatively easy to avoid, and if you do avoid it (which any experienced smash player will) then you can steal her peaches. 72.105.76.48 13:22, 11 January 2015 (EST)
  9. Negative Zone! Negative Zone! Igor the Mii (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2015 (EST)
  10. Peach Blossom sucks. AW402 (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2015 (EST)
  11. Negative Zone can actually change the course of the game. Definitely one of the better Final Smashes. What can Peach Blossom do? Put you to sleep. Nuff said. AidanzapunkSig.jpgBlueStreak Speeds By 23:09, 11 January 2015 (EST)
  12. I find the metaphor of Negative Zone to be quite interesting. Luigi has forever lived in the shadow of his brother, Mario, putting him in a depressed state. Mario has been featured in countless eponymous games while Luigi has had few, if any. I see Negative Zone as a physical manifestation of Luigi's sadness. Because Luigi's sadness is so vast and expansive, his Final Smash actually imposes his own pain and misery unto his opponents, for no one would willingly desire to suffer the effects of Negative Zone. The physical damage that the Final Smash deals to competitors is similar to the emotional horrors that plague Luigi every day of his miserable, wretched "life". He is so constantly overflowing with pain and depression that his negative feelings and emotions spill over onto his opponents upon successfully trapping them in Negative Zone. All that Peach's Peach Blossom does is grow some fruit and bore her opponents to sleep. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 23:25, 12 January 2015 (EST)
  13. Weegee! Weegee! Weegee! UltraSmasher402 (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2015 (EST)
  14. This explains Luigi's hatred of being Player 2 a lot more. Also I think this has more good effects than Peach Blossom. --EpiNa8 23:08, 13 January 2015 (EST)
  15. I was rather sad about the removal of this Final Smash. ChuckNorris24.png  20:27, 15 January 2015 (EST)
  16. Negative Zone is better overall. It is a little bit disappointing that Luigi's Final Smash was changed, but the Poltergust 5000 is also great. LimitCrown (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2015 (EST)
  17. Negative Zone+Fire Jump Punch=Instant KOAwesomelink234 PK FLASHBOMB! 08:09, 16 January 2015 (EST)
  18. Man, it really is the best. 69.242.137.135 09:54, 17 January 2015 (EST)
  19. This won me a lot of casual matches, mostly because it never occurs to anyone that Luigi has never been about damage. He's about frustration. And this is the most frustrating final smash aside from Kirby's stage-spanning pot. Also, yeah, the gaining dark powers from living in Mario's shadow is a nice touch.WaveMotionSmash (talk) 10:43, 19 January 2015 (EST)
  20. I like this better. Smash Master 13:40, 19 January 2015 (EST)
  21. Negative Zone was one of the top 5 Final Smashes in Brawl in my opinion, as it nearly guaranteed you a KO if you were anywhere near the opponent. Peach Blossom was one of my most hated Final Smashes, however, as I figured it was useless since enemies can air/ledge camp with nothing but a slap on the wrist for the entire duration of the move, and they could just heal afterward with the peaches. I obviously don't think Peach Blossom is that bad now, but my vote's going to my favorite Final Smash when I was a casual player. --Timson622222 (talk) 00:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)
  22. I was hoping this was going to be a Negative Zone vs. Poltergust 5000 fight, I'm really curious which Final Smash people would prefer. Toast Wii U Logo Transparent.pngltimatum 03:36, 21 January 2015 (EST)
  23. Look at my username. Plus, Luigi is way, way, way better than Peach. No offense. Weegee Number 1! (talk) 21:15, 21 January 2015 (EST)
  24. My favorite part is using his Up B on sleeping or tripped opponents, and it's good to have the Flower effect on the side. It also has nice visual effects. I also appreciate the meaning behind it and Luigi's personality that Everyman or Nobody pointed out. Peach Blossom is helpful (even more so in SSB4), but boring in comparison. Nas160Pittsburgh Penguins 1992 logo.png Let's go Pens! 16:48, 23 January 2015 (EST)
  25. Peach Blossom can't put to sleep opponents that aren't on ground, and because of that I always dodge it and steal peaches. Plus, I like Negative Zone more than peach-growing lullaby. 83.24.230.217 13:53, 24 January 2015 (EST)
  26. Peach Blossom is not that good of a final smash. Personally, I like Poltergeist 5000, but Negative Zone is great too. User:Thestrategyman 9:37, 27 January 2015
  27. Weird is good... right? Kenniky SMASHROSTERSMALL.png 18:16, 29 January 2015 (EST)

Half votes

  1. Though this doesn't fit his character, it might just be the "trolliest" Final Smash in SSBB. SmashBros (talk) 15:15, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  2. I like the Poltergust 5000, but this is great too. It can screw up recoveries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loyoloy (talk • contribs) 12:02, 11 January 2015‎ (EST)
  3. Its just so RANDOM! Plus, peach blossom, in my opinion, is the least effective Final Smash —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.8.126 (talk • contribs) 15:43, January 11, 2015 (CST)
  4. Negative Zone looks cooler but neither does damage.68.109.75.101 22:56, 13 January 2015 (EST)
  5. i just like luigi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beckitten27 (talk • contribs) 18:38, January 15, 2015 (CST)

Votes for Peach Blossom

  1. Meh.71.106.217.7 14:20, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  2. Peach Blossom fits in with Peach's character quite well, while Negative Zone does not fit Luigi's character at all. MarioIsTheBest (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  3. 353.png Mesuxelf 17:48, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  4. I chose this one because the music is better when you do this final smash. And because it's a girl. The Iliad (talk) 21:31, 10 January 2015 (EST)
  5. Pretty much 2 and 4, but also because I like Peach a little bit more than Luigi. SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 19:19, 13 January 2015 (EST)
  6. Only because I hate Negative Zone 124.148.196.145 21:09, 18 January 2015 (EST)
  7. Peachy 147.69.159.108 00:12, 21 January 2015 (EST)
  8. I despise Negative Zone. Even when I use it its hard to tell what I'm doing because it messes with my camera. Peach Blossom, on the other hand, allows me to heal whenever I get my butt kicked as Peach (which is often). ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 17:21, 23 January 2015 (EST)

Comments

Geez, Everyman or Nobody, that's deep. Surprising people can make something that in-depth about a collection of pixels, but won't do it in real life. I love the way the world works. Littlesquirtle! I choose you!LittleSquirtleSig.png 19:27, 13 January 2015 (EST)

Hey, thanks. Deeper meaning can be found everywhere if one simply chooses to find it. And for the record, one could posit that "real life" is also just a collection of pixels. Everyman Or Nobody? (talk) 03:21, 17 January 2015 (EST)

um... how do i fix mine? Beckitten27 (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2015 (EST)

I think it's clear that we have a winner. Just saying. AidanzapunkSig.jpgBlueStreak Speeds By 00:03, 19 January 2015 (EST)
Rule 12; comments about how one-sided the match is are not allowed. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Character 00:06, 19 January 2015 (EST)
Well, excuuuuuuuuse me, princess.
In all seriousness, I really did not know that. My apologies. AidanzapunkSig.jpgBlueStreak Speeds By 11:52, 19 January 2015 (EST)

When's this going to end? Just saying, I think we know the winner. I don't mean to break Rule 12 or anything, but yeah. Weegee Number 1! (talk) 21:17, 21 January 2015 (EST)

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