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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, editors and users, to the Smash Arena! Each week (or two weeks, if the wiki's status is high Green or above) this forum hosts a tussle between two characters, items, stages or anything else from the Super Smash Bros. series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll but functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that round. No, you don't have to vote for the character with strength & power, or the stage considered more "fair", or the combatant with the most fans - just vote if you are a total fanboy of the participant. So what are you waiting for? Get voting!

The Rules

  1. When voting, you can give a brief comment on why you voted the way you did, or you can just leave your signature. Long explanations for your vote are discouraged, as they are unnecessary (a vote is worth the same regardless of its reasoning), and they inflate the size of an already large page.
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Round 227: Planet Zebes vs. Brinstar vs. Norfair

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Winner!!
undecided

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For whatever reason, the main stages for the Metroid series for the first three games all have the same hazard: a huge vat of burning stuff that's a bad idea to fall into. Which variant wins out?

Votes for Planet Zebes

  1. I like the music Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 13:17, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. ^^^ Red (talk) Special:Contributions/Red 14:03, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. Space? Space?!?! SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!! Laikue (talk) 16:57, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Pity vote. 86.172.59.236 08:24, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. 180.149.192.133 19:36, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Brinstar

  1. Lots of fond memories playing this stage 147.69.161.124 12:33, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. It has the least annoying hazards. Also, destructable terrain that changes the layout always gives a stage a tactical feel. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 14:01, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. I hate all of these stages with a burning passion, but this is probably the least annoying of the three. ChuckNorris24.png 14:10, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. Dat music. Also looks better.Tepig (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. Zebes feels generic and Norfair has too many hazards. So hooray for Brinstar. Nymbare and his talk 16:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. Cuz iss Melee an Melee iss bessst 4eva /s. Terrible is Terrible 20:29, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Norfair

  1. What do you call a Metroid that cheats? DoctorPain99 13:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  2. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Metal Gear 14:34, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  3. Never played smash 64 and computers act very annoying on Brinstar.71.106.222.114 16:34, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  4. This is where I saw a Marth player used their Final Smash to charge headfirst into a lava wall. Also lava is fun. --97.82.197.63 16:54, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  5. I really like how they executed this stage. The other two don't really impress me that much. But that's just me. Berrenta (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  6. I hate playing on the other two stages. Yeah, I'm aware Brinstar is the most "neutral" out of these three. But Norfair is relatively fun for me. Brinstar isn't. --Timson622222 (talk) 22:31, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  7. It has capsules and according to Spy Kids 3 it's molten magma.ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 22:44, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  8. Lava > acid. blue ninjakoopa 22:48, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
  9. What ninjakoopa said.75.85.64.155 00:39, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  10. Because lava. 107.211.34.20 11:22, 4 May 2014 (EDT)
  11. It's Norfair. Ridley lives in the depths of Norfair. I like Ridley. So Norfair. 72.106.150.120 13:43, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Comments

This really should of been a four-way battle with Planet Zebes vs. Brinstar vs. Norfair vs. Pyrosphere, just saiyan SamisFusion (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2014 (EDT)

Well we don't allow any Smash 4 aspects in the Smash Arena until the game is released. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:41, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
Technically that's up to Toomai. (as we've had Megaman vs. WFT vs. Villager) Laikue (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
That was an exceptional case. Pyrosphere probably wouldn't apply anyway, as there's currently no evidence it has rising lava like the other combatants (the main draw of this fight). Toomai Glittershine ??? The Honcho 23:44, 3 May 2014 (EDT)
I know, I was just pointing it out. I knew it was a special occasion. Laikue (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Round 226: Wario vs. Shadow

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 Winner!!
Wario
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37 to 32
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Oh hey, it's a pair of evil clone-type anti-heroes.

Votes for Wario

  1. Shadow is fucking bad. DoctorPain99 12:04, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. Meh I have mixed feelings about Shadow. He may seem all kickass and stuff but he is simply another pointless "I come and I'll be a clone of this other character in the series" guy just to extend the number of characters in a series similar to Waluigi, who is just simply put bad. Wario is one of my favorite Nintendo characters since I feel like he's fun and humorous to have around. Plus he even remains quite successful and popular for a weirdo by even starting his own series. Dots (talk) Link OoT Dots.PNG The Arceus 14:20, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  3. Shadow is overrated. 71.116.255.123 15:27, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  4. Wario for Brawl 4, guise. ConnyAirconny Snake Sig.png 16:12, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  5. Wario, unlike Shadow, was actually still a good character after his second appearance, additionally, Wario is actually a well thought-out character, who doesn't cry, or kill something over every little thing. Laikue (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  6. Because Wario is entertaining, and Shadow is one of the most overrated things I've ever seen. Hai. (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  7. Wario... he's gotta win. 76.19.111.57 17:16, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  8. 71.217.99.53 19:07, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  9. 101.168.42.164 01:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  10. I agree with Dr. Pain, Shadow's just really whingingly awful (as proven by his relegation to plebian Assist Trophy status) and unbearably emo. Wario is charismatically, disturbingly, brilliantly ridiculous. #WAHAHAHA Oasidu (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  11. Shadow is over rated, Wario FTW! SamisFusion (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  12. He's the character I most often use in the Mario Party series. However, I dislike his Brawl self, primarily because of one of his special moves. Let's hope that changes for SSB4... RickTommy 04:51, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  13. "Dark version of protagonist" characters are overused and always lame. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 08:36, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  14. Wario is a success story. He started out as the "anti-Mario" but established himself as a treasure hunter when the two patched things up, and is now a leader in the microgame business. Shadow on the other hand has failed to go beyond his miserable "tagalong" status, even with a game of his own. blue ninjakoopa 17:52, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  15. shadow a massive SHIT CLI (talk) 00:50, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  16. 147.69.161.124 01:37, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  17. 174.21.111.101 02:22, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  18. WARIO WAFT! PFFFT TigerJrAlmighty (talk) 10:30, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  19. Shadow is an obnoxious, boring, whiny, emo, cliché-riddled character that has no characterisation outside of WANGST WANGST WANGST. He is only liked by twelve-year olds who have no idea what makes a good character and who think that the evil doppelganger trope is still a pretty neat idea. He's the shits and I hope anyone who wants him to be playable in SSB4 gets repeatedly struck by lightning. Oh, and Wario is cool or something. --- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 22:23, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  20. Shadow lives up to his name. That's all he'll ever be. --Timson622222 (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  21. ...Shadow. VICIOUS VIRIDIAN!!!!!! (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  22. Now I don't blindly hate on Shadow, but I do prefer Wario more. I mean, who doesn't love immature potty humor and farting? ChuckNorris24.png 21:19, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  23. 174.21.25.8 04:16, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
  24. 5th main, do not let me down! Stelios7 (talk•contribs•logs).
  25. I may hate Wario, but Super Mario is better than Sonic the Hedgehog, in my opinion. Red (Talk) Special:Contributions/Red 10:25, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  26. WARIO! Cha Cha Cha! My favourite character BY FAR! 19:02, 25 April 2014 (GMT)
  27. Shadow is overrated. 174.21.50.57 17:36, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  28. He is actually in Brawl as a fighter and Mario series is better then Sonic series. Xanthus (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
  29. Shadow is the ultimate lifeform? More like the ultimate Jerk! 75.172.88.108 18:57, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
  30. Per Dr. Pain. Crapfully Springed out, OB 18:14, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  31. Shadow is more overrated. 97.126.83.93 04:00, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
  32. Wario is the ultimate farter! 174.21.53.130 20:20, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
  33. 180.149.192.134 23:12, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
  34. Wario is love, Wario is life. Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 08:52, 30 April 2014 (EDT)
  35. 75.165.106.193 06:22, 1 May 2014 (EDT)
  36. Shanderu MiniGhost.png 02:29, 2 May 2014 (EDT)
  37. WAAAAARIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! 71.212.48.127 05:17, 3 May 2014 (EDT)

Votes for Shadow

  1. Berrenta (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. I'm voting because reasons. Scr7Scr7 sig.png(talk · contribs) 12:17, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  3. Why did I vote for Shadow? 'Cause He's the ultimate life-form!Smashdude10 12:45, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  4. Cause logic. Terrible is Terrible 13:22, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  5. 69.35.177.179 13:58, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  6. Shadow looks cooler than stupid ol' Wario.Awesomelink234 (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  7. 75.156.151.217 16:42, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  8. Awesome! I wanted this one! Im voting for Shadow though albeit he isnt playable but im more familiar with him. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 17:06, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  9. I've never liked Wario, but Shadow has always been one of my favorites! 72.106.156.1 19:00, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  10. Because he's black and red and like 12 people on one site said black and red don't go together well. Rebellion. --97.82.197.63 20:11, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
  11. More powerful than Wario, that's a given. Requiem of Ice (talk) 02:29, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  12. What can I say, I'm a bit of a fanboy. Just a tiny bit. 109.146.245.139 08:24, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  13. I hate wario.75.85.64.155 12:17, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  14. Who's the best anti-hero? Well, all Wario want's is money - and who doesn't? ScoreCounter (talk) 13:46, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  15. Wario's annoying as fuck. Never liked anything tied to Mario to begin with (except, y'know, Smash Bros.). 67.83.177.56 19:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  16. Hmm. I don't find either of these characters powerful, so it's basically a design war. A creature that looks like something that crawled out of the depths of the underworld definitely beats any stereotypical biker/microgame producer.--71.14.57.92 23:52, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
  17. Easily my favorite character in the Sonic The Hedgehog series, and I would probably main him in Super Smash Bros. 4 if he were to be a playable character. I have an excessively long list of reasons for Shadow, whereas I have none in particular for Wario. Also, to respond to Monsieur Crow about his Anti-shadow rant, Shadow is a great character because he is a tragic hero with a tragic past, present, and future. This makes one feel with the character and sympathize with him. Wario does not fit this bill. While Wario has a past, it is not extensive whatsoever; he has virtually no purpose in affecting the story. He is simply a character that Nintendo uses to laugh at with sick, childish humor, while Shadow is much more of a tragic hero. Signed by Mr. Mewtwo. 204.108.96.92 10:52, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
  18. 192.197.128.170 12:16, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  19. So powerful he has to wear power rings to keep himself in check. Plus, he's a hedgehog. 107.211.34.20 15:51, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  20. Long story here. He's the Shadow (obviously) of Sonic, one of the coolest beings ever to exist. Also, he went through some hard times in the game Shadow the Hedgehog. He has some unique abilities on his own, you know, with his gun and Chaos CONTROL thing. It would be such a shame if he didn't appear in SSB4 in some capacity. 75.141.44.196 18:17, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  21. I love Shadow :D Cherrim98Cherrim Box Sprite.pngTalk 19:34, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  22. I prefer Sonic Adventure 2 over Super Mario Land 2. (ThirdPlayer (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2014 (EDT))
  23. Its a Sonic character. End of story. Harro (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
  24. I am...all of me... SSBBNess (talk) SSBBNess sig image.png 08:07, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  25. TIE, TIE, TIE! 63.92.248.41 17:02, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
  26. Both are overrated, i simply don't like Wario. 93.105.60.217 03:11, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  27. awesome50.32.212.177 09:59, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
  28. just... just... there's my vote i'm outMrBoogey (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
  29. shadow is the awesome version of sonic, Wario is the fat version of Mario.Xyle (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2014
  30. SHADOW IS DOWN RIGHT BOSS!He has swag. well not in sonic generations User:Mightysmash 5:30, 29 April 2014
  31. Shadow's been my favorite video game character since I was 5 (I'm now 17), so yeah, I'm voting for him. Itsameluigi1290 (talk) 10:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

Half Votes

  1. I'm not a big fan of either one, but at least Shadow isn't super gross. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 00:16, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
  2. Shadow's the Ultimate Lifeform. Enough said? Wes762 (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Comments

@Omega Tyrant Wario is also a "dark version of protagonist" character, don't think you saw that.75.85.64.155 12:17, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

Wario did start out as basically "Dark Mario", but he got divergent character development pretty quickly and is pretty much only a "Dark X" in name now. Unlike Shadow to Sonic, Wario doesn't need to be compared to Mario to be effective. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Riotous 12:34, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
So is Wolf technically a "Dark Fox"? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:11, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
Wow. I think Tyrant may have just screwed himself over with the "Dark" line. --Myth Myth Kirby.png 13:23, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
What?
And Zeldafan (you should get a new, easier to refer to and more distinguishable name btw), Wolf isn't at all a "Dark Fox", his general characterisation is "rival counterpart". Also people, remember the comments of Smash Arena are not to argue about someone's vote. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 13:57, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
People can refer to me as ZSF. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 16:07, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
..."Comments about other users' opinions. You can point out that a user may have gotten a fact wrong, but you can't say things..." I pointed out a mistake in your vote, I'm not arguing.75.85.64.155 17:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
And as Toomai pointed out, it's not a "mistake" at all. So again, there's no point to your coment (and the resulting discussion). Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 17:57, 20 April 2014 (EDT)

I would prefer it if there was no swearing in the Smash Arena. Harro (talk) 23:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Smash Wiki is not censored. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 23:14, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
Mm... Would you like me to edit my comment to remove said swearing? I'm sure you can edit your votes after voting, but I want to make certain it's a valid edit.
Assuming you're referring to my post, which I'm pretty sure you are. I wouldn't like to hamper anyone's experience, whether it's main-site or Smash Arena. 67.83.177.56 15:21, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
You can edit your vote, but it's completely unnecessary to, as SmashWiki does not have any rules against non-abusive swearing. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 15:26, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

Uh, Shouldn't someone do something about Zebes_Crusher? Not only did he void rule 6, but he also modified another user's vote, I would do something about it myself, but I don't know what to do in this situation, nor if I have any authority to do so. Laikue (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2014 (EDT)

Probably, but nobody seems to notice that the "first vote" for Shadow happened three days after SCR7's "second" vote... Dunno about what, if anything (other than bringing it up here), we can do. Oasidu (talk) 18:26, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
Huh, didn't even notice that, there really has to be a more descriptive rule list (for example, actually saying the the rules not to modify other users posts) and a more descriptive list of things we can do (or more active admins) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laikue (talk • contribs) 19:59, April 27, 2014 (EDT)
@unsignedcommentor--The rules above the actual matchup clearly state what is and is not allowed, but it would seem that people neglect to read them considering the amount of IPs who only post here and the unreasonable amount of Rule 6 breakers. I think technically we're allowed, as nonadmins, to move votes which are placed improperly but I don't have the technological capability to do so myself or I would have already. Oasidu (talk) 14:42, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
"(for example, actually saying the the rules not to modify other users posts"
This is one of the most fundamental talk page rules on the Wiki as a whole (or on any Wiki), and plain common sense, there's no excuse for someone to not know to not edit other people's comments to change what they're saying.
And Oasidu, nonadmins can move votes that are improperly placed (but Zebes' crusher was already taken care of how, so it doesn't matter anymore). Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS.png 20:37, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
OT, I assume you're referring to my comment on "moving the comment already myself" if I were able (I'm not able because copy/pasting is exceedingly difficut on my phone and Wii), but I was actually referring to Wes762's comment at the top of Shadow's votes, which remains there as of now (I never did see Zebes_Crusher's alleged comment, nor do I now, though I may be overlooking it, seeing as the Shadow section's background makes the standard blue hypertext font color extremely hard to read). Regardless, thanks for confirming that information for future reference. Oasidu (talk) 23:52, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

Though rather unimportant and stating the obvious...this match broke the records here with both combatants receiving more than 30 votes each. Requiem of Ice (talk) 00:43, 30 April 2014 (EDT)

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