User talk:CanvasK/Archive 3
List of Pokemon
I’m not sure if you remember me, but I’m anon 174, maybe I should’ve put that popplio is the only non-upcoming Pokémon starter line not to be in SSB. 174.55.24.64 17:46, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
- Guess I missed the Froakie mention for Greninja. Anyway, that just adds more qualifiers which makes it less interesting. A lot of similar trivia was removed not long ago and it will still be subject to change with how the Pokémon series works. Also, I don't see the point in referring to yourself as "anon 174" when there are over 16,000,000 potential IP addresses that start with 174; but I am aware of you editing in the past. --CanvasK (talk) 17:56, May 25, 2022 (EDT)
Shellder in Smash
I remember posting on the List of Pokemon page that Shellder was in smash but it got removed because it just was the slowbro one that cameoed in Melee. Does this count as a Shellder cameo or not? 174.55.24.64 03:44, May 26, 2022 (EDT)
Autopick
Why did you remove some of my autopick edits? 174.55.24.64 20:31, May 27, 2022 (EDT)
Team rocket trio or Jessie and James?
On the melee trophies page, it says the team rocket trio owns Meowth even though Meowth is a part of the trio, so maybe it can be changed to just Jessie and James then. 174.55.24.64 22:22, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- It can easily be read as "Group's member" (ie Team Rocket trio's Jessie/James/talking Meowth) in the same way you can say "Queen's Freddie Mercury" or "the Sonic Team's Sonic". --CanvasK (talk) 22:28, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- Also, saying "Jessie and James' talking Meowth" implies that Meowth is just another Pokémon like Arbok and Weezing, despite him being being a key member. I'm sure he could (and probably has) leave the team after some kind of argument (and come back because plot reasons) because he is a fully independent. They are a trio, made up of Jessie, James, and Meowth, all of whom are their own person. --CanvasK (talk) 22:44, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- I’m not sure if Team Rocket is a trio anymore because Wobbuffet is always seen with the, yet bulbapedia still counts it as Jessie’s pokemon, but that is something that can only be discussed at Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 22:51, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- The Wobbuffet in Smash makes no claim that it is the same from Team Rocket, yet the Meowth trophy is unquestionably the same Meowth from Team Rocket. Wobbuffet also resides in a Poké Ball (that is Jessie's) the majority of the time, therefore being Jessie's Pokémon. Meowth doesn't have a Poké Ball, at least not one that Jessie or James has. Even Ash's Pikachu has a Poké Ball, it just really hates it and Ash doesn't try to force it in one, but it still has a Poké Ball which is Ash's. It also doesn't matter that Wobbuffet has been with them for a long time, it is still treated like a Pokémon (regularly used in battle and contests) unlike Meowth who is treated as a team member. --CanvasK (talk) 23:06, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- IP, you are comparing two completely different scenarios. Meowth actually joined Team Rocket as a member, not as a Pokémon, and he has yet to be captured by anyone. On the other hand, Wobbuffet was captured by another trainer and then accidentally traded to Jessie, therefore it's considered one of Jessie's Pokémon. Cookies
Creme 23:11, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- I guess I can see how Meowth is a part of the trio because he, of course, talks as his special power, and he doesn’t attack except for sometimes using Scratch and he doesn’t have a Pokeball, so I guess that’s why he isn’t counted as a Pokémon by Bulbapedia’s rules, but this is going off topic now. 174.55.24.64 23:55, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- IP, you are comparing two completely different scenarios. Meowth actually joined Team Rocket as a member, not as a Pokémon, and he has yet to be captured by anyone. On the other hand, Wobbuffet was captured by another trainer and then accidentally traded to Jessie, therefore it's considered one of Jessie's Pokémon. Cookies
- The Wobbuffet in Smash makes no claim that it is the same from Team Rocket, yet the Meowth trophy is unquestionably the same Meowth from Team Rocket. Wobbuffet also resides in a Poké Ball (that is Jessie's) the majority of the time, therefore being Jessie's Pokémon. Meowth doesn't have a Poké Ball, at least not one that Jessie or James has. Even Ash's Pikachu has a Poké Ball, it just really hates it and Ash doesn't try to force it in one, but it still has a Poké Ball which is Ash's. It also doesn't matter that Wobbuffet has been with them for a long time, it is still treated like a Pokémon (regularly used in battle and contests) unlike Meowth who is treated as a team member. --CanvasK (talk) 23:06, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
- I’m not sure if Team Rocket is a trio anymore because Wobbuffet is always seen with the, yet bulbapedia still counts it as Jessie’s pokemon, but that is something that can only be discussed at Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 22:51, May 28, 2022 (EDT)
Ssb4 trophy
I’m fairly certain Misty and Brock are only well known because of the anime, and they weren’t relevant at all in 2014, but Iris might make sense because Cilian isn’t mentioned, then that would also be an anime reference. 174.55.24.64 17:39, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
- They're literally the first two gym leaders in Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, FireRed, and LeafGreen and are also in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, and SoulSilver. I would say people know of them outside of the anime. Iris is one of the final gym leaders in White and is the Champion in Black 2 & White 2, the Champion of the Unova Pokémon League which is a stage in Smash. Again, people will know of her outside of the anime, I would know because I didn't watch the B&W anime. Cilan has nothing to do with this as he isn't mentioned in the trophy. --CanvasK (talk) 17:50, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
- If the description mentioned Misty and Koga, or Brock or Sabrina, then it won’t be an anime reference, but since Ash and the first theme song were also referenced, I’m certain Misty and Brock were only mentioned because of the anime, where of course, they are best known (After all, the best known Team Rocket and Meowth are the ones from the anime). Iris is probably referencing her champion role, because Cilian isn’t mentioned, but Cynthia, the most well known champion, is referenced . Misty and Brock were also in Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee too. 174.55.24.64 18:08, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
- Ash is practically the face of Pokemon after Pikachu, so it is obvious to include him. Misty and Brock are big both in the games and the anime, easy choices. Black & White was the big thing prior/during to SSB4, both in anime and game, making Iris an easy choice. Even if the devs intended to cash in on just the anime, everything I mentioned dilutes how interesting the trivia point is. Cynthia drives my points in even more. I didn't mention LGP/E because they didn't exist when SSB4 came out, and if they did it wouldn't help your case. --CanvasK (talk) 18:16, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
- If the description mentioned Misty and Koga, or Brock or Sabrina, then it won’t be an anime reference, but since Ash and the first theme song were also referenced, I’m certain Misty and Brock were only mentioned because of the anime, where of course, they are best known (After all, the best known Team Rocket and Meowth are the ones from the anime). Iris is probably referencing her champion role, because Cilian isn’t mentioned, but Cynthia, the most well known champion, is referenced . Misty and Brock were also in Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee too. 174.55.24.64 18:08, May 29, 2022 (EDT)
This week’s event
Do you have a clue what this week’s event online tourney is gonna be yet? 174.55.24.64 21:28, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
- No. They are announced a day or two prior to it being available. The Japanese Smash Twitter used to mention the events even sooner, but they don't do it for repeats. The soonest you'll hear about it is through Smash's "News" popup, which can also be seen here. Also, it won't be an event tourney, it'll be a spirit event. They've consistently done tourney-spirit-tourney-spirit-etc. --CanvasK (talk) 21:33, May 30, 2022 (EDT)
Castlevania edit
So on the "Elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" page for Castlevania (universe) (specifically, these two sections), you've marked both instances of Stage 4' with a sic template.
After a bit of research, I have found that Rondo of Blood actually has a few alternate paths in certain levels that actually include an apostrophe in their number. To give a few examples:
- Stage 2 Regular and Stage 2 Alternate
- Stage 3 Regular and Stage 3 Alternate
- Stage 4 Regular and Stage 4 Alternate
- Stage 5 Regular and Stage 5 Alternate
In other words, the presence of apostrophes is very likely not a mistake, but rather just an oddly specific way of clarifying that these are special stages; and for the record, this is also how the Castlevania Wiki formats them (Stage 2', Stage 3', Stage 4', and Stage 5'). 
The Jacketed Terrapin
17:47, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- Fair enough. Then I guess the sic templates can be removed from there. --CanvasK (talk) 17:48, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
This
While I agree on undoing the edit, worth noting is the fact that we actually have multiple cases of redirecting for names in different languages, including French and Japanese. Aidan, the Rurouni 19:25, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- That's fair, forgot about those. The main reason to remove it was because of what was being linked to. Seel doesn't have a page, is just a trophy, and is a sea lion not a seal. I'm not aware of using disambig2 for things without dedicated pages but I could be wrong on that too. If anything, a disambig2 for Seal would go to Topi, but Seal already directs to a disambig page that includes Topi. --CanvasK (talk) 19:34, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
Sakurai Source
The reason why it was too hard to add trophies is right here: https://segmentnext.com/trophies-super-smash-bros-ultimate/ (Seel is also a Poke Float, not a trophy) 174.55.24.64 19:56, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- In that article it claims he said "trophies require a lot of work and effort than what everyone thinks". You said "making new models and descriptions were too hard for the developers to do". Do not put words in the developers mouth. --CanvasK (talk) 20:10, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- I just misremembered the sentence, sorry. 174.55.24.64 20:14, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
Seel
I’m fairly certain sea lions and seals are the same animal, and I think Seel is kinda seal like just like how Charizard is kinda dragon like despite being a lizard too and Jigglypuff is cat like despite being a balloon. Also, Dewgong (the evolved Seel) is named after a real life seal/sea lion. 174.55.24.64 20:00, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/seal-sealion.html. Dewgong is named after Dugongs, which are manatees not seals or sea lions. I feel there are too many degrees of separation for it to go on the "Seal" disambig page. --CanvasK (talk) 20:10, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- What does Bulbapedia say Seel is based on then, if that website works? 174.55.24.64 20:14, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- It doesn't matter. It is the Sea Lion Pokémon, it is not spelled "seal" in any language, and we already have a redirect for it. I see no reason to include it. --CanvasK (talk) 21:16, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- That page ironically enough says that Seel is at least named after a seal. Comparing deals to sea lions are like comparing alligators to crocodiles and King K. Rool is based on both. Also, I’m pretty sure some people might spell Seel’s name as Seal. But, this discussion only belongs on Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 21:32, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- One more thing, Seel doesn’t have ear flaps or feet, can’t walk, and is mainly found in water like seals, meaning that it has more seal traits then sea lion traits, and the Japanese category name might refer to Seel as a seal pokemon, but I don’t know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.24.64 (talk • contribs) 22:07, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- That page ironically enough says that Seel is at least named after a seal. Comparing deals to sea lions are like comparing alligators to crocodiles and King K. Rool is based on both. Also, I’m pretty sure some people might spell Seel’s name as Seal. But, this discussion only belongs on Bulbapedia. 174.55.24.64 21:32, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- It doesn't matter. It is the Sea Lion Pokémon, it is not spelled "seal" in any language, and we already have a redirect for it. I see no reason to include it. --CanvasK (talk) 21:16, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- What does Bulbapedia say Seel is based on then, if that website works? 174.55.24.64 20:14, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
(reset indent) For the IP's sake, I went through an archived page of Bulbapedia's Seel page. The wiki does mention that Seel is seemingly (emphasizing on seemingly) based off of the earless seal. However, it also notes that Seel's body characteristics are also reminiscent of several other animals that reside in the Arctic Ocean, including whales and narwhals. Nevertheless, it's still pointless arguing whether Seel is based off a seal since Seel's species is specifically mentioned to be the "Sea Lion Pokémon", and seals and sea lions are certainly not the same animal. Cookies
Creme 23:21, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
- Tgere is a TV Trooe called Mix and Match Critters, and Seel and Dewgong seem to be that with them being based on seals, sea lions, dugongs, manatees, whales, and narwhals, just like how Charizard is both a lizard and a dragon and how Jigglypuff is both a balloon and a cat (around the ears), and even Pikachu itself is a hamster, a mouse, and a rabbit around the ears. That’s all I have to say about this because Pokemon of course, doesn’t copy from real life animals and just makes their own fictional species. 174.55.24.64 23:36, May 31, 2022 (EDT)
